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Australian Coins, Banknotes and Exonumia => Australian Errors and Varieties => Topic started by: echidna on December 15, 2012, 01:14:03 PM

Title: How did this happen ?
Post by: echidna on December 15, 2012, 01:14:03 PM
(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc462/joseywales10/52shill1.jpg)(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc462/joseywales10/52shill2.jpg)

What has happened here ?
Looks a bit like an extra sideways planchet.
Title: RE: How did this happen ?
Post by: Robster on December 15, 2012, 01:21:29 PM
No idea- but mighty impressive.! Will follow with interest.!
Title: RE: How did this happen ?
Post by: Goldseeker on December 15, 2012, 01:36:12 PM
Ram shot by a mysterious archer at night.................interesting error coin that.
Title: RE: How did this happen ?
Post by: Fr45h3R on December 15, 2012, 03:23:50 PM
Having a guess here but it looks like the dies were damaged by a coin that was not 'flat' when it the dies were struck, and this coin followed it.
Title: RE: How did this happen ?
Post by: Australian coin on December 15, 2012, 04:07:59 PM
Yes looks like there would have been something that damaged the dies, or some sort of die failure â€" die crack, or maybe rusty dies to the extreme.
Title: RE: How did this happen ?
Post by: purplepennyhunter on December 15, 2012, 04:09:30 PM
Similar (http://www.thesandpit.net/index.php?option=1961bar_shilling)
Title: RE: How did this happen ?
Post by: emu666 on December 15, 2012, 07:04:40 PM
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='4684' dateline='1355539443'(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc462/joseywales10/52shill1.jpg)(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc462/joseywales10/52shill2.jpg)

What has happened here ?
Looks a bit like an extra sideways planchet.

I believe that your coin is heat damaged. What you are seeing are bubbles. They originated as tiny flaws in the planchet that contained small pockets of air. With extreme heat, that air expanded to produce the reasonably large bubbles you are observing.
Title: RE: How did this happen ?
Post by: jrg_from_oz on December 16, 2012, 11:47:31 PM
Looks to me like the die could have been deliberately defaced by scoring a line across it, in a similar manner to the way dies for limited editions are defaced to prevent further strikes.

But as to why a circulation die would be so treated - I have no idea.
Title: RE: How did this happen ?
Post by: emu666 on December 17, 2012, 06:58:10 AM
If a coin such as this was created through damage or defacing the dies there would be more than one example and it would almost certainly be mentioned in the catalogues. The reason it isn't in the catalogues is that the damage is to the coin itself as I stated earlier.

If I may draw your attention to the the spot I have marked on the reverse below. You can see how the metal on the raised area has been pushed in subsequent to the raised are forming. The metal bubble will be comparatively thin and it will be reasonably easy to push in mo0re of that area.

(http://www.stuartandersen.com.au/images/52shill1aa.JPG)

On the obverse there is a spot where the bubble has started to break open. A bit of work with a thumbnail should break it open sufficiently to show the hollow area under the "bubble".
(http://www.stuartandersen.com.au/images/52shillb.jpg)