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Australian Coins, Banknotes and Exonumia => Australian Errors and Varieties => Topic started by: trout on April 09, 2015, 10:34:47 AM

Title: rotated 2005 $1
Post by: trout on April 09, 2015, 10:34:47 AM
I sent a few of these away to be graded and have noticed this one is slightly rotated.

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/rotated_05.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/rotated_05a.jpg)
Title: RE: rotated 2005 $1
Post by: Unicorn on April 09, 2015, 10:55:43 AM
Cool Trout.  I've had the 2005's at around 14 deg or so upset.

The obverse in your slab looks a tiny bit off straight which is adding to the rotated appearance on the reverse (but it's still rotated all the same).

PS: Is that some doubling down the edge of the Queen's forehead and nose?
Title: RE: rotated 2005 $1
Post by: trout on April 09, 2015, 11:04:42 AM
Not sure what that is ?

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/rotated_05b.jpg)
Title: RE: rotated 2005 $1
Post by: Unicorn on April 09, 2015, 11:21:13 AM
Great photos Trout!

I'd call it doubling. (But that's just me ..... and you know what Unicorns are like :angel: ).
Title: RE: rotated 2005 $1
Post by: Pedro on April 09, 2015, 12:22:04 PM
Looks like doubling to me too (and I'm not a Unicorn ... I think)

Pedro
Title: RE: rotated 2005 $1
Post by: Fulvio on April 09, 2015, 07:14:43 PM
Quote from: 'Pedro' pid='70336' dateline='1428547924'Looks like doubling to me too (and I'm not a Unicorn ... I think)

Yup. The usual flat doubling we get on her face. Not real uncommon.
Title: RE: rotated 2005 $1
Post by: trout on April 09, 2015, 07:26:39 PM
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='70344' dateline='1428572683'
Quote from: 'Pedro' pid='70336' dateline='1428547924'Looks like doubling to me too (and I'm not a Unicorn ... I think)

Yup. The usual flat doubling we get on her face. Not real uncommon.

I tend to think that this effect is found on most well struck 25mm Dollar coins :angel:
Title: RE: rotated 2005 $1
Post by: Fulvio on April 09, 2015, 09:53:39 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='70346' dateline='1428573399'I tend to think that this effect is found on most well struck 25mm Dollar coins :angel:

Not sure I'd call loose dies 'well struck', somehow. :diablo:
Title: RE: rotated 2005 $1
Post by: trout on April 10, 2015, 07:51:07 AM
QuoteNot sure I'd call loose dies 'well struck', somehow. Diablo

I never said this was "Doubling" :ok:

Here is a 2004 Wedding Set $1 coin and it has a more pronounced effect due to the increased pressure applied when these types of coins were struck.
Definitely NOT doubling merely a great strike :)
What we are seeing here is the reflection from the metal where the design meets the fields.

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/04_wedding_set_dollar.jpg)
 (http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/04_wedding_set_dollar1.jpg)
Title: RE: rotated 2005 $1
Post by: Fulvio on April 10, 2015, 10:35:45 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='70365' dateline='1428618067'What we are seeing here is the reflection from the metal where the design meets the fields.

Not at all what it looks like in the pics. Try a shot at an angle, lifting the right side of the coin say 10° or so.
Title: RE: rotated 2005 $1
Post by: trout on April 10, 2015, 10:53:09 AM
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='70375' dateline='1428627945'
Quote from: 'trout' pid='70365' dateline='1428618067'What we are seeing here is the reflection from the metal where the design meets the fields.

Not at all what it looks like in the pics. Try a shot at an angle, lifting the right side of the coin say 10° or so.

Here Ya Go :)

 (http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/04_wedding_set__1dollar1.jpg)
Title: RE: rotated 2005 $1
Post by: Unicorn on April 10, 2015, 12:08:50 PM
I think that dollar has a wee bit of doubling just on the nose.

Looking at the pics of it here and in the PCGS thread (http://www.australian-coins.net/showthread.php?tid=1976&page=79) it looks to have it. The $2 also looks to have a tiny bit, whereas the 50c, 20c, 10c and 5c show none. (The 10c on the reverse looks to have quite a bit on the 1 and 0 though). But then again ...... it might be just me ...... :laugh2:
Title: RE: rotated 2005 $1
Post by: trout on April 10, 2015, 12:39:00 PM
I think it is just the way the light reflects from the join of the fields and the design.
The Wedding set coins are buggers to get a decent image of.

look at this disastrous attempt by PCGS

http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28935918.html
Title: RE: rotated 2005 $1
Post by: Unicorn on April 10, 2015, 01:10:47 PM
AC/DC would be proud of them Trout!!!

"Back In Black"
Title: RE: rotated 2005 $1
Post by: trout on April 10, 2015, 01:24:57 PM
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='70395' dateline='1428637247'AC/DC would be proud of them Trout!!!

"Back In Black"

HeHeHe
I was thinking more like
"Hells Bells" :)
Title: RE: rotated 2005 $1
Post by: ausjack on April 10, 2015, 04:36:28 PM
Nice one trout :good: I'll have to suss my wedding sets :)