I have been putting some thoughts into an online catalogue as some suggested it would be good to have it online and readily available. Its a huge job so just trying to suss out some more thoughts on what info would be needed. And would you think people would use it?
This is a basic template of what it would look like
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2007 Lifesaver Commemorative 20 cent coin
- Value
- Low - $7.00
- Average - $11.00
- High - $15.00
The 2007 lifesaver commemorative 20 cent coin was not released for circulation. Mintage for the mint set is 66,641 and unknown for the PNC release.
It can be found in the
- 2007 mint set – www.oldcoinchest.com .....
- 2007 PNC year of the lifesaver- www.oldcoinchest.com ......
- 2007 fine silver set - www.oldcoinchest.com ........
- 2007 fine gold set. - www.oldcoinchest.com ........
Extra information can be found here - http://www.ramint.gov.au/designs/purchase/downloads/mintissue68.pdf
it would have links to the sets it is in etc.. The great advantage is that it can be updated regularly. But before I go ahead some thoughts would be great. Like should I put values in? Any help or advice is welcome. Cheers
If it's comprehensive and accurate I'm sure it would be used.
If you put values in you need to keep them up-to-date ideally, which could become a pretty big task. I think it depends what your motivation is - if you'll use the prices as a reference for yourself then add them.
To be brutally honest, much as I would love such a resource, I think its a project doomed to failure.
The time and effort needed is monstrous, and you can't even get accurate mintage figures in many cases. Even without prices, it would be a full-time job, and it would have to be 100% complete, and accurate, in order to be of any real use.
Many of us have tried to do similar things, and even on a small scale, the demands quickly make it a chore rather than an enjoyable pastime. Heck, I haven't even found the motivation to update my Decimal Mintages PDF, and at this rate it will be two years out of date. :(
Hey McDuck, we'll have to round up Jeff and get the procrastination thread going again! Maybe later.
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='69786' dateline='1427620003'Hey McDuck, we'll have to round up Jeff and get the procrastination thread going again! Maybe later.
Have your people call my people and get them to pencil you in for a feasibility study sometime after Xmas.
Hello,
It would be great for when someone gets an Un Circ. in change. If there is a Date to the Est. value it is a start. After that a bit like Wiki. where members can update it following trends. Less work for the writer to keep it accurate. The Mint has good info on Circulated Coins, not sure about Un Circ. For example I got a Coronation 50 in change, and have no idea how many where made.
My thoughts.
Quote from: 'Coiny Chris' pid='70831' dateline='1429218064'After that a bit like Wiki. where members can update it following trends. Less work for the writer to keep it accurate.
Wikipedia is a massively under-utilised resource for us I think. Apart from prices, which are next to impossible to nail down anyway, everything should be in a wiki entry, and we should all be working at maintaining it.
And yeah, I've been massively slack in this regard too. I've probably only made a dozen or so edits to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coins_of_the_Australian_dollar and related pages. :(
IMO, we should focus on improving this common resource rather than reinventing the wheel, because this is a project that will crush an individual, and date rapidly as a result.
I will have a think about forming a committee to investigate the idea.
Actually, great idea, but too much work I suspect to be feasible.
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='70837' dateline='1429227483'Quote from: 'Coiny Chris' pid='70831' dateline='1429218064'After that a bit like Wiki. where members can update it following trends. Less work for the writer to keep it accurate.
Wikipedia is a massively under-utilised resource for us I think. Apart from prices, which are next to impossible to nail down anyway, everything should be in a wiki entry, and we should all be working at maintaining it.
And yeah, I've been massively slack in this regard too. I've probably only made a dozen or so edits to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coins_of_the_Australian_dollar and related pages. :(
IMO, we should focus on improving this common resource rather than reinventing the wheel, because this is a project that will crush an individual, and date rapidly as a result.
Can easily set up a wiki of our own. Might work if we have a lot of people putting their hands up to own specific topics. Like George V Florins, Jubilee head sovereign, $1 MORs etc. Especially the decimals.
Didn't markn and Purple Penny set up a coin wiki?
Quote from: 'drakesterling' pid='70873' dateline='1429281304'Didn't markn and Purple Penny set up a coin wiki?
Yep. Doesn't anybody read the menu at the top of the page?
But Wikipedia is public, and therefore of more benefit.
public? more benefit to who?
if the members do the work then the members are the most important target group aren't they?
Quote from: 'Oldcoinchest' pid='69778' dateline='1427612203'I have been putting some thoughts into an online catalogue as some suggested it would be good to have it online and readily available. Its a huge job so just trying to suss out some more thoughts on what info would be needed. And would you think people would use it?
This is a basic template of what it would look like
2007 Lifesaver Commemorative 20 cent coin
- Value
- Low - $7.00
- Average - $11.00
- High - $15.00
The 2007 lifesaver commemorative 20 cent coin was not released for circulation. Mintage for the mint set is 66,641 and unknown for the PNC release.
It can be found in the
- 2007 mint set – www.oldcoinchest.com .....
- 2007 PNC year of the lifesaver- www.oldcoinchest.com ......
- 2007 fine silver set - www.oldcoinchest.com ........
- 2007 fine gold set. - www.oldcoinchest.com ........
Extra information can be found here - http://www.ramint.gov.au/designs/purchase/downloads/mintissue68.pdf
it would have links to the sets it is in etc.. The great advantage is that it can be updated regularly. But before I go ahead some thoughts would be great. Like should I put values in? Any help or advice is welcome. Cheers
That would be ideal but I think it'd take years to compile and would drive you nuts just to maintain it
Such a task could not be achieved by any 1 individual
Great concept oldcoinchest and good question
With help it is possible just not by yourself
Yeah it would take some time to set up but once done it could be updated once a week or so relatively quickly.
Most stuff doesn't move. so maybe a once or twice a year update on those items
Where it would be handy is a few examples...
-2014 coloured Aiatsis coin. They were hovering around $17 and then started reaching $20-$25 and now around $30-$35. That happened very quickly like other coins do that a book just cant keep up with. (don't get me wrong I like and will be buying the coin bible when released)
-2012 Non coloured $2 poppy. Were around $100 a bag. Now selling over $10 an UNC coin or $250 a bag.
-2013 coronation roll gone threw the roof $450 a roll? Could've and should've (wish I did now) picked em up 3 months ago. They weren't selling for $160 a roll then.
Would be handy for quick shifts in the market.
It will happen but its going to take time which I don't have at the time at the moment. Mainly because im crazy and have too many projects and hobbies on the go and work full time to support my family. But soon its going to slow down, ill get on top of it all and keep working at it. Nothing good or worthwhile comes easy. Just have to keep gringing at it.
hmm how about, I have put something basic together, no guarantee when its updated, I'd like to have it always up to date, but life gets you busy, it does the modern coins, and you could find the info yourself, but you would get the convenience of it being all in one place, the stuff I used to do by email for people, you get info about the design, and a image, with release price ect... I could get some pocket change from it, like $5 or $10 per person
keep grinding away Oldcoinchest and others,it's a massive task I applaud your efforts
Quote from: 'Oldcoinchest' pid='72018' dateline='1431042756'It will happen but its going to take time which I don't have at the time at the moment. .
Quote from: 'runway' pid='72096' dateline='1431182031'keep grinding away Oldcoinchest and others,it's a massive task I applaud your efforts
I second what runway says, not that I would know anything at all about building a web page, the time involved or the cost. I guess if the desired outcome was to parrot the current available coin guides the task would be massive.
Again, not truly appreciating what amount of effort would be required, why not set out to build an informative page that concentrates on what the current coin guides ignore, however, to give them some credit there are a half dozen examples that they do include. The number of necessary entries required to complete the job wouldn't make the task onerous and would actually fill a gaping hole for an ever increasing number of collectors. The main concern for anyone attempting to do this may be in educating themselves if they didn't already have an interest in this particular field.
I've had the odd input on this subject on other threads, the special and unique series of coins I refer to are the historically important predecimal varieties that are mostly found in the Penny series, but there are a few in other denominations as well.
In the main these are the coins that have been minted using differently matched reverse and obverse dies to the general run of the mill coinage, and just as subtle, there are also some that display unique die design differences such as longer rim denticles or differing date numerals and date widths. All of these coins without exception were minted in much smaller numbers and some can be considered excessively scarce to rare and are keenly sort after at all points of sale where they attract high prices. The recent IAG auction of the Benchmark collection being a point in case.
As I said, the vast majority of these varieties occur in the penny series, of which they may roughly number 26 or so. There are also a couple of well known, old time favorite die defect varieties that could be included as well. Who knows what something like this may develop into, and it's something I would have attempted long ago if I had the skills required.
For some obscure reason the local guides obviously don't think this part of the hobby is important, to the point where they in my opinion are doing harm by their inaction. Who knows, any maverick who made a success at something like this could end up being a source of reference for the TPG's etc.
My suggested Penny entries would be;
1919 Penny double dot.
Already included in the guides.1920 Penny double dot.
Already included in the guides.1920 Penny no dots, Indian obverse.
Already included in the guides.1920 Penny dot above top scroll, Indian obverse.
Already included in the guides.1920 Penny dot above bottom scroll, London obverse. Excessively scarce/rare, not included.
1920 Penny dot below bottom scroll, London obverse. Very scarce and not included.
1921 Penny with London obverse. Extremely scarce and not included.
1922 Penny, multiple core date groups (5), some extremely scarce, not included.
1924 Penny with Indian obverse. Very scarce and not included.
1927 Penny with Indian obverse. Extremely scarce and not included.
1931 Penny, second 1 in date low, Indian obverse. Excessively scarce / rare, not included.
1931 Penny, normal date alignment, Indian obverse. Extremely scarce and not included.
1933/32 Penny overdate.
Included in guides.1939 Penny, dash in legend after AUSTRALIA (probably die defect. Not included.
1941 Penny, K.G with high dot after penny (probably small cud). Very scarce and not included.
1942I Penny, Indian die with "I" mint mark missing.
Included in guides.1943I Penny, India die with long reverse dentils. Very scarce and not included.
1945Y. Penny with big dot after KG (probably die fault). Scarce and not included
1951PL Penny with missing PL mint mark (probably die fill). Rare and not included.
1952 Perth penny. 2 in date displays square serif. Scarce and not included.
1952 Perth penny. 2 in date displays wedge serif. Scarce and not included.
1952 Perth penny. 2 in date tilts right. Scarce and not included.
1953 Penny, Melbourne mint. Long 5 different 3 date numerals. Very scare and not included.
1955Y. Perth penny, hybrid obverse 9. Very scarce to extremely scarce and not listed.
1956Y. Perth penny, hybrid obverse 8. Scarce and not listed.
1957Y. Perth penny, with wide date. Scarce and not listed.
Gee auto that's a bloody good start to your new book mate :good:
Thanks AJ, but not me for me Mate, I don't have the ability to put web pages or a book together. But somebody else could add something like this to their publication, :winkextra: would only take another 20 entries, and what imposition would that be when compared to all the glitter that gets added each year. After all, they're not making any more of these.....that's not counting the Chinese of course:grin:
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='72140' dateline='1431261403'Thanks AJ, but not me for me Mate, I don't have the ability to put web pages or a book together. But somebody else could add something like this to their publication, :winkextra: would only take another 20 entries, and what imposition would that be when compared to all the glitter that gets added each year. After all, they're not making any more of these.....that's not counting the Chinese of course:grin:
Your absolutely right. My site is already paid for and set up for this. I have listed the majority of coins. Its just entering in the valuable data now.
E.g if you clicked on 1920 penny I would aim to have the information you have listed (5 varieties) any other info also. I would need help with value of each different variety. But definitely something to think about.
Looking fwd to it
Quote from: 'Oldcoinchest' pid='72163' dateline='1431342105'I would need help with value of each different variety. But definitely something to think about.
I can help out with some of the values as I've kept a close eye on auction results the past few years, even a couple of ebay results. Not saying they are comprehensive or cover every grade but the values do give an appreciation of the desirability of these rarer coins when compared with the general mintage of similar grade. I'll dig the info out and post it later.
looking forward to that auto and a few pic's would be nice as well thanks mate :winkextra:
I can help out with some of the values as I've kept a close eye on auction results the past few years, even a couple of ebay results. Not saying they are comprehensive or cover every grade but the values do give an appreciation of the desirability of these rarer coins when compared with the general mintage of similar grade. I'll dig the info out and post it later.
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Yeah that's great. Didn't even know some of those varieties existed. Going to have to put some extra yards in there. It just doesn't stop. Always something to do or improve on. But look forward to it aswell.
My pics wouldn't be up to scratch AJ. Best way is to post this link to the Benchmark collection, select pennies.Then just a matter of referring to each variety posted earlier and navigating the Benchmark site to find it. The good thing with that site is it gives relevant information for each coin.
OCC, Having problems loading a spread sheet with values so will persevere. It's a bit of a dogs breakfast :dash1:
http://www.ngccoin.com/gallery/benchmark.aspx
IF OCC does complete his project, would he need permission to use the scans/photos shown in the Benchmark Collection for his own on line catalogue?
Then the big problem would be to keep the on line catalogue up to date and then to accept comments from viewers saying this is wrong etc.
I can just imaging the problem Greg MacDonald has when he reads all the comments on his publication. It must be very time consuming to read each comment and adjust/check/amend as required/requested.
For OCC: Your folders have arrived and the wife has placed her own coins into them. Looks real good. Well done.
OK, thanks to my Wife the scarce penny die variety values are as attached. Not comprehensive by any means but does give an appreciation of the desirability of these coins compared to the general mintage in similar grade, and it wouldn't be difficult to peruse ebay for example to find values for lower grades. These values are taken from an average of the past few years and inclusive of commissions etc. One odd entry of note is the 1919 D.D. in EF. This was a recent ebay sale, and a bargain if the grade was correct.
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Well Done Autocoupler, That's some really great work.
I have started my quest and estimate this will take 12 - 18 months to complete (6 Months is to ambitious).
Here is the link http://oldcoinchest.com/product-values
At the moment I have only entered in about 15 values so a lot of searches will end up with no result. (Until I enter the data)
Use the following keywords to get results .. 2007, 2008, 2009, 5 cent and 10 cent. 50 cent may work for the 2007 coin.
I haven't got to the 5 and 10 cent circulated coin values yet.
Its not much but its a start and I think when finished it will be quite a good resource.
Thanks OCC, I'll just keep chipping away at it. Good luck with your project, another important resource.
Doing a great job Oldcoinchest