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Australian Coins, Banknotes and Exonumia => Australian Pre-Decimal Coins => Topic started by: 5 rubles on February 10, 2015, 05:44:20 PM

Title: 1932 half penny
Post by: 5 rubles on February 10, 2015, 05:44:20 PM
I found this coin in a folder in the back of my collections, it seems to be in pretty good shape, i would estimate it to be Very Fine, what do you think and are most of this coin in same or better condition? That will decide whether i keep it or give it away.
(http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq296/hannu2009/1932halfpenny1_zpsc1077a17.jpg)

(http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq296/hannu2009/1932halfpenny3_zpsae3acef8.jpg) (http://s457.photobucket.com/user/hannu2009/media/1932halfpenny3_zpsae3acef8.jpg.html)
Title: RE: 1932 half penny
Post by: robbiegal on February 10, 2015, 05:48:23 PM
I'd call is either good fine or more likely about very fine
you need to have clear four sides of the centre diamond to be very fine

whereas if it was ebay it would be an E/F
Title: RE: 1932 half penny
Post by: stevo1962 on February 10, 2015, 08:53:25 PM
I would call it about very fine so about average condition
Title: RE: 1932 half penny
Post by: 5 rubles on February 11, 2015, 06:30:09 AM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='66758' dateline='1423552703'I'd call is either good fine or more likely about very fine
you need to have clear four sides of the centre diamond to be very fine

whereas if it was ebay it would be an E/F

Is that the diamond just about above the ear, in the rim of the crown?
Title: RE: 1932 half penny
Post by: markn on February 11, 2015, 06:51:42 AM
Quote from: '5 rubles' pid='66775' dateline='1423598409'
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='66758' dateline='1423552703'I'd call is either good fine or more likely about very fine
you need to have clear four sides of the centre diamond to be very fine

whereas if it was ebay it would be an E/F

Is that the diamond just about above the ear, in the rim of the crown?

Yes.
Title: RE: 1932 half penny
Post by: 5 rubles on February 11, 2015, 08:18:11 AM
Interesting, these are the little bits of information that are very useful, grading has been a bit of a grey are for me. so in the case of George V half penny and penny the centre diamond determines VF grading. there is one or actually two grades before UNC; Extra Fine and aUNC. how do i determine EF of George V?
Then is George VI that does not wear a crown, any pointers on VF in that?
I have almost all half pennies and pennies, I got the bug to go through them now and practice grading.
Title: RE: 1932 half penny
Post by: robbiegal on February 11, 2015, 08:23:03 AM
the centre diamond  is in the middle of the band of the eking's crown
it is used as a wear indicator

then the art of grading kicks in, as a weak strike will produce a soft crown that may appear as wear but isn't
this coin appears to have been well struck so I'd assume it is wear

the amount of wear is often indicated by years of circulation

i.e. an e/f is about 2 years circulation
for e/f one expects to see some remaining lustre

VF - less likely to have lustre (and cleaning can make a well worn coin appear to have lustre) but a centre diamond and 6 pearls in the band is the baseline for a VF grade

some of the old boys of the coin world say that the reverse has 2 grading sections - the inner ring and the outer ring as well

the old aussie pennies are fun to grade

King GVI is even harder!!
have fun going through your album
Title: RE: 1932 half penny
Post by: 5 rubles on February 11, 2015, 10:08:20 AM
Ok, thanks, I am getting the idea. here is another borderline example, this 1924 seems EF and interestingly it also has a die crack from the word IND to the king's shoulder.

(http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq296/hannu2009/HalfPenny1924DieCra1_zps3794df05.jpg) (http://s457.photobucket.com/user/hannu2009/media/HalfPenny1924DieCra1_zps3794df05.jpg.html)



(http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq296/hannu2009/383f0fa5-6478-4a2a-872e-0899422782b8_zps237502cf.jpg) (http://s457.photobucket.com/user/hannu2009/media/HalfPenny1924DieCra2_zps8d956f60.jpg.html)
Title: RE: 1932 half penny
Post by: Nevol on February 11, 2015, 12:32:59 PM
Quote from: '5 rubles' pid='66784' dateline='1423611500'Ok, thanks, I am getting the idea. here is another borderline example, this 1924 seems EF and interestingly it also has a die crack from the word IND to the king's shoulder.
Hmmm. I think that die crack runs right across the coins and ends between the E&O of George.  Sort of like an upside down version of the 1926 Halfpenny Half Moon crack.
 
Nice coin, nice piccie! :good:
Title: RE: 1932 half penny
Post by: 5 rubles on February 11, 2015, 02:19:49 PM
I realised the crack goes through the coin when i looked at the photo, it was difficult to see with naked eye.