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Australian Coins, Banknotes and Exonumia => Australian Errors and Varieties => Topic started by: Robster on January 24, 2015, 12:58:54 PM

Title: 1930 Halfpenny question.
Post by: Robster on January 24, 2015, 12:58:54 PM
I have been revisiting my Halfpenny album. (Dansco Supreme).
In my haste to fill it last year I placed what I thought was the best example in each hole, patted myself on the back and stashed it away.!
I had a total of 3 1930 halfpennies, all had at least one defect. I have now noticed all three have slight doubling to the date (most noticeable on the downstroke of the 9) and two of the three coins have a very small die chip between the 'A' and 'L' of the word Australia.
Neither of these appear in 'Rennicks' varieties guide and have probably been discovered but for those who enjoy noodling through old dates it is something to note.!
Will post some pics next week if any is interested. :idea:
Title: RE: 1930 Halfpenny question.
Post by: stevo1962 on January 24, 2015, 01:22:41 PM
Good to see you on the forum again Robster anyway I only have one 1930 halfpenny but cant see
anything out of ordinary on it

    http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30435042/
Title: RE: 1930 Halfpenny question.
Post by: Robster on January 24, 2015, 01:58:18 PM
Thanks, it is nice to have something to report for a change.! :dodgy:
Title: RE: 1930 Halfpenny question.
Post by: interest on January 24, 2015, 02:21:53 PM
Quote from: 'Robster' pid='65825' dateline='1422066534'I have been revisiting my Halfpenny album. (Dansco Supreme).
In my haste to fill it last year I placed what I thought was the best example in each hole, patted myself on the back and stashed it away.!
I had a total of 3 1930 halfpennies, all had at least one defect. I have now noticed all three have slight doubling to the date (most noticeable on the downstroke of the 9) and two of the three coins have a very small die chip between the 'A' and 'L' of the word Australia.
Neither of these appear in 'Rennicks' varieties guide and have probably been discovered but for those who enjoy noodling through old dates it is something to note.!
Will post some pics next week if any is interested. :idea:
I would like to see the photo's.
Title: RE: 1930 Halfpenny question.
Post by: Unicorn on January 24, 2015, 03:07:36 PM
Cool Robster!!!

Can't wait for the pics.

Now I'm going to have to try and find my 1930s for a look see.
Title: RE: 1930 Halfpenny question.
Post by: Fordprefect on January 24, 2015, 04:00:32 PM
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='65840' dateline='1422074256'Cool Robster!!!

Can't wait for the pics.

Now I'm going to have to try and find my 1930s for a look see.

Ditto :blush2:
Never really looked at them for varieties.
Title: RE: 1930 Halfpenny question.
Post by: Robster on January 26, 2015, 03:09:48 PM
First of the halfpennies with doubled date and die chip.!


 (http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o787/robster836/004_zps6558f931.jpg)


(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o787/robster836/005_zps1c732367.jpg)


(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o787/robster836/002_zpsdbf13a32.jpg)
Title: RE: 1930 Halfpenny question.
Post by: Unicorn on January 26, 2015, 05:29:21 PM
Great photos Robster!

Gee your eyes are way better than mine, I would never have seen the die chip in a pink fit!

I have a quick squizz at mine and I think I can see the doubling on the 9 (maybe a recut die?) in around half of them. (Though they're a tad grotty).

I have one dot below first N in PENNY variety and it too appears to have doubling on the 9.

First pic ..... no dot

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11067/1930_hp_1.jpg)

Second & Third pics (same coin) dot under N

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11067/1930_hp_2.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11067/1930_hp_2a.jpg)

PS: I've just about done my head in seeing if any of "the dirty dozen" are tilted 3's. Will have to give the eye a rest for a while.
Title: RE: 1930 Halfpenny question.
Post by: trout on January 26, 2015, 05:39:47 PM
Back in the thirties there wasn't a great range of oils and greases that we enjoy today.
In the thirties most of our transport consisted of bullock trains and other horse driven vehicles.
Tallow and Lanolin were the grease of choice in them days and I imagine that the mint used these in production.
If you look at what these to products are made of you will quickly see that there would of been many contaminates in them that could of impacted on the dies used back then and produced these cuds/dots.
Title: RE: 1930 Halfpenny question.
Post by: Unicorn on January 26, 2015, 06:02:34 PM
Gee, even the photos of the tilted 3 in Renniks Varieties are "TILTED". The zero in photo A22A's is way lower down than the comparison A22 photo, which unfortunately makes A22A's 3 look more tilted. I'm going slightly mad .......
Title: RE: 1930 Halfpenny question.
Post by: Robster on January 26, 2015, 10:11:36 PM
Hey Uni, thanks for taking the time to look, I spent yesterday chasing up my 'borrowed camera stand', took a bunch of images, cleaned them up and transferred them to Photobucket, only to find that in the last 4 months they have changed the method of copying images to the forum.!
I always knew we were related, even if it is only through the 'Join the Dots' family.!! lol.:dodgy:
The tilted 3 has done strange things to my psyche as well, luckily all three of mine can fit into an 'errors and varieties folder'. Now if only I had a good example for the "Dansco".:angel:
Title: RE: 1930 Halfpenny question.
Post by: Unicorn on January 27, 2015, 09:05:04 AM
It was fortunate for me that you raised the point as a couple of mine are in need of some oil to stop the little green men from Mars invading further.
Title: RE: 1930 Halfpenny question.
Post by: Robster on January 27, 2015, 03:01:41 PM
(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o787/robster836/003_zpsa1112d7f.jpg)(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o787/robster836/007_zpsd1e883d9.jpg)

Second coin showing doubling and die chip.!
Title: RE: 1930 Halfpenny question.
Post by: Unicorn on January 27, 2015, 03:25:07 PM
I think the die chip pics are both the same one Robster. (Twiiiiiiiinnnnnns!!! ..... now that's something I would definately do)
Title: RE: 1930 Halfpenny question.
Post by: Robster on January 27, 2015, 04:54:50 PM
Indeed. :angel:
Title: RE: 1930 Halfpenny question.
Post by: Robster on January 27, 2015, 07:35:22 PM
Thanks Uni, corrected.!
Title: RE: 1930 Halfpenny question.
Post by: Unicorn on January 27, 2015, 07:40:55 PM
That's some excellent photography of the new discovery Robster.
Great to see the consistent doubling and chip. Mine might take a bit of work to see if they have the chip or not, but I plan to do it.
Title: RE: 1930 Halfpenny question.
Post by: Robster on January 28, 2015, 10:21:10 AM
(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o787/robster836/025_zps640f4c6a.jpg)
(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o787/robster836/026_zps038c990b.jpg)
(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o787/robster836/028_zps266a1efa.jpg)

My third and final coin, this one shows the best example of doubling on the date.! (base of 1, all of 9, right side of 3.)
 No die chip but a savage attack to the rim.! :dodgy:
Hope this assists any pre decimal noodlers.:angel:
Title: RE: 1930 Halfpenny question.
Post by: Unicorn on January 28, 2015, 11:24:38 AM
Fab fotos Robster!

Is it just my sight or can I see the die chip on the reverse pic?
Title: RE: 1930 Halfpenny question.
Post by: Robster on January 28, 2015, 11:39:13 AM
Wow, for a bloke with bad eyesight you have done it again.! Very small die chip between the letters as per the other two PLUS, two tiny dots in the field between 'O' of one and the inner ring.!
Thankyou, proves three eyes are better than one.:angel:
Title: RE: 1930 Halfpenny question.
Post by: Unicorn on January 28, 2015, 12:04:04 PM
The good quality pics are the key Robster!

I've just spent the past hour trying to get one decent photo of a cud!!!! (About 80 pics so far and I'm still not happy ...... )

I guess that's what you get when you have Kodak Easyshare Z710 :laugh2: (At least it has a Schneider lens ...... pffft).

Sorry to be a pain ..... is this them Robster .... a mm or so in front of the arrow? (Just for reference sake).

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11067/rob_one.jpg)
Title: RE: 1930 Halfpenny question.
Post by: Robster on January 28, 2015, 12:33:39 PM
(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o787/robster836/025_zps32468f0c.jpg)

Found these on 2 of 3 coins, one coin more defined. :angel:
Title: RE: 1930 Halfpenny question.
Post by: Unicorn on January 28, 2015, 12:41:57 PM
Thanks Robster! (:laugh2: .... I was miles off).
Title: RE: 1930 Halfpenny question.
Post by: Robster on January 28, 2015, 12:50:06 PM
I can see them on your coin.!!
Title: RE: 1930 Halfpenny question.
Post by: Unicorn on January 28, 2015, 01:02:49 PM
I think I confused you somewhat ........

The cud I was trying (poorly) to get a good photo of wasn't a 1930 halfpenny, I was just expressing my frustration with my efforts in comparison to your great pics which allowed me to see the A ... L die chips earlier.

Then when you mentioned the new ones between the 0 and inner rim I grabbed your photo, enlarged it and put a couple of arrows on it where I thought they were.

So my coin is your coin ...... Twiiiiiiiins!!!!
Title: RE: 1930 Halfpenny question.
Post by: Robster on January 28, 2015, 01:13:45 PM
:blush: "Exit- stage left". :kez_15:
Title: RE: 1930 Halfpenny question.
Post by: Unicorn on January 28, 2015, 01:23:11 PM
:laugh2: ..... No need to exit Snagglepus!
Title: RE: 1930 Halfpenny question.
Post by: Fordprefect on January 30, 2015, 12:01:23 PM
Late to the Party, a no go on finding a Robster match.

Did find a Die chip on the toe of L in HALF.
(ONLY FOUND THE ONE THOUGH)

(http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv160/ford_prefect/Australian%20Coin%20Forum/Fridays%20Photos/IMG_0013-crop-800a_zpsscblshfw.jpg)

(http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv160/ford_prefect/Australian%20Coin%20Forum/Fridays%20Photos/IMG_0013-crop-crop_zpsbcazfx47.jpg)
Title: RE: 1930 Halfpenny question.
Post by: Unicorn on January 30, 2015, 12:55:33 PM
Well spotted FP!

That's another variety for the list! :yahoo:
Title: RE: 1930 Halfpenny question.
Post by: Fordprefect on January 30, 2015, 01:30:43 PM
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='66252' dateline='1422584733'That's another variety for the list! :yahoo:

Bit early for that, need Two examples to shortlist
a Third to confirm.

The tiny Die Crack on top of the second leg of H of HALF
was the pointer to look a little closer in that area.
Title: RE: 1930 Halfpenny question.
Post by: Unicorn on January 30, 2015, 02:41:53 PM
Quote from: 'Fordprefect' pid='66257' dateline='1422586843'Bit early for that, need Two examples to shortlist
a Third to confirm.

Well I was excited .......... checked my scans of the dirty dozen and sadly report that I can't shortlist ..... (yet).
Title: RE: 1930 Halfpenny question.
Post by: Fordprefect on January 30, 2015, 02:55:20 PM
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='66263' dateline='1422591113'
Quote from: 'Fordprefect' pid='66257' dateline='1422586843'/quote]
Well I was excited .......... checked my scans of the dirty dozen and sadly report that I can't shortlist ..... (yet).
Quiet day up in the Vale ? :angel:

I'd recheck them for the listed 3 Tilts right job.
Title: RE: 1930 Halfpenny question.
Post by: Unicorn on January 30, 2015, 03:06:39 PM
:laugh2: ..... Yes, very very quiet .....

(lol x 2 ..... yes, I might recheck them and become even more insane ..... I wish the photos in Renniks had the inner circle shown).
Title: RE: 1930 Halfpenny question.
Post by: trout on January 30, 2015, 03:08:13 PM
Just run over the image with a compass mate :) :laugh2:
Title: RE: 1930 Halfpenny question.
Post by: Unicorn on January 30, 2015, 03:39:46 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='66266' dateline='1422592693'Just run over the image with a compass ......

Now there's a thought ...... ta Troutski!
Title: RE: 1930 Halfpenny question.
Post by: Robster on January 31, 2015, 12:14:31 AM
This has been a worthy exercise imo. I have done a comprehensive re-look tonight and my two coins with the die chips also have a very obvious chip to the right of the 'short stroke' of the letter 'F' in 'HALF'. I must have viewed these coins 50 times in the last few days.!
Thanks to those who contributed.! :wavemulticolor: