Looking at the 1946 Penny K.G in the benchmark collection got me thinking about this one with what could be described as having something that looks like a dot or two? But not in the same area as the coin in the Benchmark collection.
Opinions anyone?
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10064/IMG_2691.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10064/IMG_2690.JPG)
:swoon: it's amazing, an inward bubble mate, you know how some things come in inies and outies..like belly buttons amongst other things :blush2:
(http://i62.tinypic.com/24giwxg.jpg)
There is also a "dot" above the G on your coin. So were both dots intentionally added (very doubtful), was one dot added and the other a defect (doubtful); the third option is that both dots are just common defects as seen in many coins.
The Benchmark Collection is known for 2 things, lots of superb coins and lots of spurious claims. No systematic search has been made as far as I'm aware for the '46 K.G. or to identify the various pairs of working dies. If a search was carried out the odds are other pennies from that reverse die might not show the existence of the dot.
grade looks good regardless
Lever has a PENNY Dot but not the K.G
I have always looked for that but never found one
the surface appears to have a few little dots so it might have been a bubbly die rather than a 1941/1040 reused die?
Robbiegal, the dot between KG was added to the working dies so if a 1940 or 1941 working die was overdated then the dot would likely be obliterated. Extremely unlikely for many reasons, for one thing why would Melbourne retain a working die for Perth throughout the war years and then decide to overdate it and achieve a perfect overdate?
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='64195' dateline='1419357815':swoon: it's amazing, an inward bubble mate, you know how some things come in inies and outies..like belly buttons amongst other things :blush2:
(http://i62.tinypic.com/24giwxg.jpg)
ha ha, that coin is one of my ebay specials AJ. It grades gEF and cost $60 a few years back. Put it away for safe keeping but a year or so later Mount Etna blew it's top, and so the crater was born. Is now neutralised and IMO doesn't detract too much and still chuffed about it. :cool:
Thanks for your tips as well Neal and RG.
Gee auto you did really well there mate, could probably add a 0 to that now :good:
it's got a ring worm :(
Its not actually super hard to find Melb pennies with a dot between the KG.
I've seen a number of dates with these dots - including 1946.
They are scarce but not rare.
What is lacking is research.
I would not pay any more for such coins.
Maybe a couple of dollars...
I have looked through hundreds of them and found all sorts of other dots but never the K.G
1946 K.G pennies are available BIN on ebay.
I have a few different '46 pennies with a spurious dot between the KG; I won't call them K.G because that is misleading as there is no evidence that the mint intentionally added them and more importantly it would have been contrary to the policy of Melbourne to mark dies meant for Melbourne with a Perth mark (that had been superseded in position in 1941 anyhow).
Unless some solid research of the records supports the claim to a '46 K.G being legitimate then it should be treated as just another die flaw. Solid evidence would be something like correspondence showing that Perth had been selected to mint the '46 pennies but they changed plans after the dies had been prepared (and they got to mint shillings instead).
My dots are in several positions between the KG, including level with the tops of the letters, So if that isn't a high mint mark (really unlikely) then it is just a die flaw. If that dot is just a die flaw then so is likely for the other dots.
sounds a bit like the 'high Y dot' 1941 K.G penny - which is very cool I might add
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='64323' dateline='1419501476'sounds a bit like the 'high Y dot' 1941 K.G penny - which is very cool I might add
When looking at the high Y dot in high grade the first thing you notice is the dot is of irregular shape. Definitely a die chip IMHO, and extremely scarce in high grade just the same.
Some pics of a high "Y" dot.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10064/IMG_2724.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10064/IMG_2723.JPG)
Was just looking at the Benchmark collection sale items on the IAG site. The 1941 K.G penny Lot 118 also displays the high Y dot, but not mentioned in the description. A little odd they didn't include that information as this variety attracts a healthy premium in lower grades.
http://www.iagauctions.com/pba/product.php?lot_id=10452
OMG that coin is beautiful - curent bid noted!!! Someone has spotted the error
thanks for the link Auto
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='65152' dateline='1420929865'OMG that coin is beautiful - curent bid noted!!! Someone has spotted the error
thanks for the link Auto
The estimate is $2,500-$3,000. Is an NCG MS64 worth that much (if it wasn't a high dot)? Pacific Rim sold a PCGS MS64 (ex Borg) for $500 so the estimate looks like the dot was factored in (and then stupidly not mentioned).
I discovered this High Dot after the previous post, a reasonable example.!!
(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o787/robster836/023_zpsd89ec935.jpg)(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o787/robster836/024_zps5bc7774f.jpg)(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o787/robster836/020_zps3f4d7cbc.jpg)
a VERY reasonable example there Rob!