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Numismatic Discussion => Coin Chit Chat => Topic started by: markn on November 17, 2012, 08:53:18 AM

Title: Impatience
Post by: markn on November 17, 2012, 08:53:18 AM
I am not normally impatient but waiting for PCGS to post grades for a submission is about the most frustrating experience I can recall.  Right now we've got a submission there that they've had for 20 working days.  The submission is a modern world (post 1955) submission.  

According to the PCGS Statistics (http://www.pcgs.com/statistics/) page a modern world submission should take 9 working days.  So I emailed PCGS to find out what the hold up was and I got a stupid reply.  The reason that our MODERN WORLD submission might take longer than the estimated 9 days for MODERN WORLD submissions is that WORLD submissions can sometimes take longer than the estimated times for WORLD submissions.  What the?!!!!:huh:

Anyway, I am impatient and just want our grades.  Grrrrr.
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: emu666 on November 17, 2012, 08:58:41 AM
Quote from: 'markn' pid='3325' dateline='1353104598'......
According to the PCGS Statistics (http://www.pcgs.com/statistics/) page a modern world submission should take 9 working days.  So I emailed PCGS to find out what the hold up was and I got a stupid reply.  The reason that our MODERN WORLD submission might take longer than the estimated 9 days for MODERN WORLD submissions is that WORLD submissions can sometimes take longer than the estimated times for WORLD submissions.  What the?!!!!:huh:

They're just playing with you.
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: markn on November 17, 2012, 09:04:59 AM
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='3326' dateline='1353104921'They're just playing with you.

I will not allow them to toy with me DAMMIT! :@
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: Fr45h3R on November 17, 2012, 09:26:53 AM
Belly posted a submission with one of my coins with a secure plus for pre 1955 coins,  plus a number of coins in the modern world category.

The secure plus submission was back in Australia last Monday, the modern world has yet to be graded.

-rob

Quote from: 'markn' pid='3325' dateline='1353104598'The reason that our MODERN WORLD submission might take longer than the estimated 9 days for MODERN WORLD submissions is that WORLD submissions can sometimes take longer than the estimated times for WORLD submissions.

Hmm..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm88rF3GpLg
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: bellyflorin on November 17, 2012, 09:34:16 AM
Yes Pcgs are dragging the chain  a bit , their had my modern sub since 23/10 , No grades on my swanies/gooses yet and others :icon_evil:
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: Nevol on November 17, 2012, 09:47:54 AM
Double Double Talk Talk! :winkextra:
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: AaronG on November 17, 2012, 11:30:10 AM
That's a childish response by PCGS
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: trout on November 17, 2012, 11:56:53 AM
By the time you get them back Mark, they will be anciants :laugh2:
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: purplepennyhunter on November 17, 2012, 01:44:00 PM
Ours is a modern received 22/10, also contains a goose. That's it, it's the gooses's fault.
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: markn on November 17, 2012, 01:49:24 PM
Yep the geese have run off together to make whoopee and now PCGS can't find them.
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: bellyflorin on November 17, 2012, 03:30:37 PM
I'm just hope my gooses don't come back plucked bagged turkeys, take your time MR pcgs :whistle2:
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: trout on November 17, 2012, 04:02:04 PM
Are we talking geese or a swan?
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: purplepennyhunter on November 17, 2012, 04:37:10 PM
The 1967 swan dollar.
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: trout on November 17, 2012, 04:44:09 PM
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='3368' dateline='1353132430'The 1967 swan dollar.

:cool: Can't wait to see pioc's :drooling:
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: Russ e on November 17, 2012, 07:10:43 PM
might be waiting for the breeding season to finish before they send it back
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: markn on November 21, 2012, 08:02:58 AM
Still no results.  You heard anything Belly?
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: bellyflorin on November 21, 2012, 12:43:28 PM
hi markn  , no results for belly :whistle2::scratch_one-s_head:
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: markn on November 21, 2012, 07:52:28 PM
Quote from: 'bellyflorin' pid='3684' dateline='1353464008'hi markn  , no results for belly :whistle2::scratch_one-s_head:

And it's Thanksgiving the day after tomorrow, so no grades then either.  Nothing till next week I bet.
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: purplepennyhunter on November 21, 2012, 07:59:23 PM
Good news though is they've checked in the next submission so they really have us sucked in now.
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: bellyflorin on November 21, 2012, 08:50:42 PM
i just had a look at my other submissions , 35 days has been the longest wait on pcgs grades for me  ,Date received to date shipped, the  shortest 16 days.

:-/ this one 28 days and counting ,
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: bellyflorin on November 22, 2012, 12:26:58 PM
:yahoo: Markn  i just got my grades from pcgs , my swan/geese pattern dollars did alright  ms65 for the milled edge uncirculated , which is a very patchy toned coin.
The proof plain edge  PR64DC , as for my other coins not worth mentioning  lol
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: markn on November 22, 2012, 12:40:10 PM
Quote from: 'bellyflorin' pid='3732' dateline='1353549418':yahoo: Markn  i just got my grades from pcgs , my swan/geese pattern dollars did alright  ms65 for the milled edge uncirculated , which is a very patchy toned coin.
The proof plain edge  PR64DC , as for my other coins not worth mentioning  lol

Bah.  Ours got there the day before yours too.  No grades here.  Not a happy camper.
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: purplepennyhunter on November 29, 2012, 08:04:59 AM
Still no grades :dodgy:
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: bellyflorin on November 29, 2012, 02:54:38 PM
:icon_e_surprised: really ,  :idea: maybe the pcgs emails might be in your junk email list , which sometimes happens to mine.

 sorry to say this  but my coins arrived  back to me yesterday.:dodgy: :yahoo:
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: purplepennyhunter on November 29, 2012, 03:35:06 PM
Nope, we log into the PCGS account to check. Nothing, squat, zip, nuttin..
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: bellyflorin on November 29, 2012, 04:11:36 PM
OK , yep best  to send another email to pcgs :help:  here's mine you can look at while you wait for yours  http://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/CoinFacts.aspx?i=1401069 :icon_e_wink:

PPH ,was your goose a proof one ? i just notice on my pcgs registry a swan/goose has graded higher  than  mine and it's not showing in population report .
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: wwwww on November 29, 2012, 04:28:41 PM
All of your shipments seem so fast, I've never had a modern order come back in 20 days.

This is a summary of my PCGS orders over the past year:
(http://downloads.putme.net/pcgs.jpg)

The modern orders are at 8 days and counting, 37 days and counting, 39 days, 28 days, 29 days, 26 days, 36 days and 25 days.
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: purplepennyhunter on November 29, 2012, 04:34:31 PM
Quote from: 'bellyflorin' pid='4120' dateline='1354167696'OK , yep best  to send another email to pcgs :help:  here's mine you can look at while you wait for yours  http://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/CoinFacts.aspx?i=1401069 :icon_e_wink:

PPH ,was your goose a proof one ? i just notice on my pcgs registry a swan/goose has graded higher  than  mine and it's no showing in population report .

We have an unc one over there at the moment. This one is already graded
My unc goose (http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/27001920/)
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: drakesterling on November 29, 2012, 04:36:59 PM
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='4121' dateline='1354168721'All of your shipments seem so fast, I've never had a modern order come back in 20 days.

This is a summary of my PCGS orders over the past year:
(http://downloads.putme.net/pcgs.jpg)

The modern orders are at 8 days and counting, 37 days and counting, 39 days, 28 days, 29 days, 26 days, 36 days and 25 days.
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: trout on November 29, 2012, 09:15:34 PM
crikey no wonder Mark is still waiting, Looks like you have bogged  PCGS down with all your coins :laugh2:
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: markn on November 29, 2012, 09:21:05 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='4134' dateline='1354185934'crikey no wonder Mark is still waiting, Looks like you have bogged  PCGS down with all your coins :laugh2:

Ours were there before his.  *stamps foot impatiently*
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: purplepennyhunter on November 29, 2012, 09:23:37 PM
Tomorow will be the day. :dodgy::ireful::beg:
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: wwwww on December 04, 2012, 08:58:28 AM
Mine still haven't come, how about yours?
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: markn on December 04, 2012, 09:34:18 AM
No, we are still waiting.  I've been emailing someone there who was communicating with me for a few days but has gone quiet.  I am baffled as to how something that was originally projected to take 9 working days can be up to 31 working days.  At this rate our economy submission will be completed first.
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: purplepennyhunter on December 04, 2012, 12:09:22 PM
After 31 working days on a 12 business day turnaround that I now see has blown out to 21 days we have some numbers after Markn poked them again this morning.
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: wwwww on December 05, 2012, 10:42:16 AM
Your PCGS grades are available

Just got the e-mail, went and looked, nothing.

Wait, it was another order. Wow submitted on the 26th of Nov, just got the grades.

1   1   26620595   113012    1862-SY   1/2 Sov       Australia   AU50
2   1   26620596   143375    1863-SY   1/2 Sov       Australia   XF45
3   1   26620597   165521    1865-SY   1/2 Sov       Australia   XF45
4   1   26620598   17529    1916-M   3D       Australia   MS61
5   1   26620599   149127    1925(m & sy)   3D       Australia   MS64
6   1   26620600   16648    1933   1/2D       Australia   MS64RB
7   1   26620601   149140    1939   1/2D   KM-35    Australia   MS64BN
8   1   26620602   143725    1943-S   Florin       Australia   MS63
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: Fr45h3R on December 05, 2012, 01:29:49 PM
Hi Walter,

Nice grades. Well done
I really thought that 1933 1/2 was enough for red!! (if this was the one you showed me at Status ?)

-rob
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: wwwww on December 05, 2012, 02:53:50 PM
Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='4353' dateline='1354676389'Hi Walter,

Nice grades. Well done
I really thought that 1933 1/2 was enough for red!! (if this was the one you showed me at Status ?)

-rob

Yep that's the one, I thought it'd make MS65, but alas no. I paid close to an MS65 price for it.
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: purplepennyhunter on December 21, 2012, 07:00:54 PM
So our economy submission was checked in by PCGS on 22/10/12 and back then turnaround was about 9 days. It's been 44 working days now since then and the statistics have blown out to 36 business days.  :dodgy: Maybe tomorrow we'll be lucky.
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: bellyflorin on December 21, 2012, 07:56:48 PM
:shok: wow you guys are still waiting ,pcgs are such  slackos ,PPH how many coins was in your submission ?, :idea: i hope pcgs didn't push you back to the end of the line because of Mark's last email to them .:icon_e_wink:
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: purplepennyhunter on December 21, 2012, 08:05:54 PM
We got the modern back.  40 coins in the economy and they have another since then too. *yawn*

Here's the goose/swan in the modern we got back.
1967 goose dollar (http://www.thepurplepenny.com/742,pcgs-ms64-australia-1967-swan-pattern-36;1-milled-edge-uncirculated.html)
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: emu666 on December 21, 2012, 08:08:10 PM
Quote from: 'bellyflorin' pid='4877' dateline='1356082008':shok: wow you guys are still waiting ,pcgs are such  slackos ,PPH how many coins was in your submission ?, :idea: i hope pcgs didn't push you back to the end of the line because of Mark's last email to them .:icon_e_wink:


Quite possibly
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: trout on December 21, 2012, 08:15:30 PM
RE: Impatience

(05-12-2012 12:59 PM)Fr45h3R Wrote:  Hi Walter,
 
Nice grades. Well done
 I really thought that 1933 1/2 was enough for red!! (if this was the one you showed me at Status ?)
 
-rob
 
Yep that's the one, I thought it'd make MS65, but alas no. I paid close to an MS65 price for it.

I am pretty certain that if Walter called this coin a MS65 his judgment would be far more reliable and accurate than some Yank the other side of the world’s judgment.
I have seen him grade coins on CCF and his insight and knowledge of Australian pre/decimal coins is outstanding IMHO far better than any PCGS grader as far as Aussie coins go.
I personally would rather buy a raw coin graded by Walter in a 2x2 than a slab graded by a less knowledgeable grader from a different country.
All you mob think I hate slobbed coins, It’s not the slabbing I hate it is the inaccurate grades given to the coins by uneducated graders that get my goat.
Let’s face the facts PCGS and NGC are basically there to grade US coins.
The grading of coins from other countries is just a bit of sideline business for them.

If you lot are serious about having your coins slabbed for authenticity/grade get it done by a grading company that has intimate knowledge of Australian coins.

I know there is not any real alterative to PCGS or NGC at the moment  , but hay aren’t we supposed to be the “Clever Country” it’s about time some of our resident experts got off the fence and start to do something about looking after numismatics in this Country instead of relying on some “Unknown entity” half the world away.

So come on you long time dealers and experts, Take up the challenge and grade Australian coins for Australians :good: and stop sitting on the fence and let some Yank company decide what OUR coins are..

This is the end of my tirade, I very much doubt that I am the only collector in Aus that feels this way though.
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: Robster on December 21, 2012, 08:23:16 PM
Perfectly put Trout.!!!!
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: trout on December 21, 2012, 08:33:05 PM
Quote from: 'Robster' pid='4881' dateline='1356083596'Perfectly put Trout.!!!!

Thanks Mate:friends:
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: Fr45h3R on December 21, 2012, 11:54:31 PM
QuoteLet’s face the facts PCGS and NGC are basically there to grade US coins.
Both PCGS and NGC have multiple offices around the world. I myself would welcome either to Australia and would be even more impressed by the services offered if the graders were Australians.

I know a number of the members here submit coins to PCGS for grading.
Some sell these coins on Auction (ebay / numisbid / quicksales) or through their websites.
Many have been submitting coins for many years.
One day they might even tell us of the number of coins that returned with a details grading.
The efforts of these same people have helped build the numbers in the population reports that both PCGS and NGC maintain.
To me, these numbers paint an excellent picture of the availability of Australian coins, both slabbed, and raw.
It gives me the opportunity to price a coin on availability in conjunction with the prices in the catalog. In my opinion, some coins offer great value for prices above what the catalog may show.

I'll admit up front. I'm not comfortable / competent in grading coins. I am still a novice coin collector. I don't have the years of experience behind me in grading coins like some other members do, and it is for this reason I lean towards purchasing PCGS graded coins, and also trust PCGS to grade my raw coins.
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: echidna on December 27, 2012, 09:49:27 PM
Still waiting on 20 x pre-decimal.
65 days - haven't heard anything.
Wonder what the record is ?
I agree with the comments about an Aussie grading service.
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: purplepennyhunter on December 28, 2012, 07:16:20 AM
65 days is insane. I was hoping soon but maybe I shouldn't hold my breath.
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: markn on December 28, 2012, 09:27:03 AM
Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='4885' dateline='1356096271'
QuoteLet’s face the facts PCGS and NGC are basically there to grade US coins.
One day they might even tell us of the number of coins that returned with a details grading.
The efforts of these same people have helped build the numbers in the population reports that both PCGS and NGC maintain.
To me, these numbers paint an excellent picture of the availability of Australian coins, both slabbed, and raw.

In the time that we've been submitting coins we've had 17 coins come back with details grading.  4 of these were Australian, 13 were world coins. Our grading failure rate for Australian coins is well under 1%.  World coins (and this is entirely my fault) is much higher than that.  I need to stop sending in Brazilian 960R's, which account for 9 of the 13 world no grades.
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: Fr45h3R on December 28, 2012, 09:56:49 AM
QuoteIn the time that we've been submitting coins we've had 17 coins come back with details grading. 4 of these were Australian, 13 were world coins. Our grading failure rate for Australian coins is well under 1%. World coins (and this is entirely my fault) is much higher than that. I need to stop sending in Brazilian 960R's, which account for 9 of the 13 world no grades.

Thanks for the reply Markn. Those are great results.
I found this the other day as well http://www.pcgs.com/statistics/
I was looking at some public submissions a while back and was surprised at the number of 'details' gradings in some of them.
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: markn on December 28, 2012, 10:19:07 AM
Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='5181' dateline='1356650809'I was looking at some public submissions a while back and was surprised at the number of 'details' gradings in some of them.

I'm not.  It's amazing how many so called professionals in Australia are unable to to pick a cleaned coin.  Perhaps I should substitute "unable" with "unwilling".  One of the key advantages of TPG coins (PCGS/NGC/ANACS) is their complete impartiality when it comes to altered coins.  If they believe a coin is altered beyond whatever standards they apply then they call it as such.  Any dealer who self-grades cannot help but be influenced by the commercial reality of needing to sell a clearly altered coin.  This influence is even greater when it comes to high value coins.
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: trout on December 28, 2012, 10:50:35 AM
Quote from: 'markn' pid='5186' dateline='1356652147'
Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='5181' dateline='1356650809'I was looking at some public submissions a while back and was surprised at the number of 'details' gradings in some of them.

I'm not.  It's amazing how many so called professionals in Australia are unable to to pick a cleaned coin.  Perhaps I should substitute "unable" with "unwilling".  One of the key advantages of TPG coins (PCGS/NGC/ANACS) is their complete impartiality when it comes to altered coins.  If they believe a coin is altered beyond whatever standards they apply then they call it as such.  Any dealer who self-grades cannot help but be influenced by the commercial reality of needing to sell a clearly altered coin.  This influence is even greater when it comes to high value coins.

I think that even most Amateur collectors can spot a cleaned or dipped coin, so why would a professional dealer send in a coin that is questionable.
Unless it is in an attempt to slip through the cracks and get a coin with details graded.
I would consider this to be a waste of time, money and effort and if sucsessfull highly questionable behviour :dodgy:
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: markn on December 28, 2012, 11:19:36 AM
QuoteI think that even most Amateur collectors can spot a cleaned or dipped coin, so why would a professional dealer send in a coin that is questionable.

I wouldn't think that all efforts to send in cleaned coins by dealers are devious.  Some of them just plain cannot pick a coin that PCGS will details grade.
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: echidna on January 15, 2013, 12:21:26 AM
About 55 working days (84 calendar) and no word from PCGS about my submission of pre-decimal.
Some were regular which should have gone through in 21 according to their website.
Very disappointing for "the industry standard".
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: markn on January 15, 2013, 05:58:54 AM
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='6302' dateline='1358171486'About 55 working days (84 calendar) and no word from PCGS about my submission of pre-decimal.
Some were regular which should have gone through in 21 according to their website.
Very disappointing for "the industry standard".

We're almost up to 90 calendar days too.  I've stopped counting working days.
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: purplepennyhunter on January 15, 2013, 07:45:47 AM
I've stopped looking, I don't even remember what was in the submission now. We sent another world economy a month later so maybe that will be back by Christmas.
Someone we know who sent a bulk submission way after these submissions already has theirs back. I don't understand how a bulk can be done in record time.
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: markn on January 17, 2013, 05:30:18 AM
Woot.  We have grades.  Almost 3 months to the day.  Some good ones too.  PPH will be thrilled when she gets up and finds out!
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: emu666 on January 17, 2013, 09:04:00 AM
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='6305' dateline='1358198147'.......
Someone we know who sent a bulk submission way after these submissions already has theirs back. I don't understand how a bulk can be done in record time.

Because they like me.
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: echidna on January 31, 2013, 11:54:17 AM
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='5159' dateline='1356641180'65 days is insane. I was hoping soon but maybe I shouldn't hold my breath.

Now 100 (calendar) days and still waiting...
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: purplepennyhunter on January 31, 2013, 12:00:54 PM
That's insane. Something is seriously going on there. I'm told submissions received early October were done very quickly and it looks like they've done very little since then. Ours were done a 17/1 checked in 22/10, but awaiting another checked in 19/11 -I won't hold my breath.

I hope that when you do get your grades that your coins have done well.
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: Ozcoins on January 31, 2013, 05:52:49 PM
What might cause this?
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: purplepennyhunter on January 31, 2013, 06:45:38 PM
Quote from: 'Ozcoins' pid='7701' dateline='1359616969'What might cause this?

Good question.....
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: Ozcoins on January 31, 2013, 06:50:37 PM
Their Aussie expert is not around?
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: trout on January 31, 2013, 07:01:28 PM
Quote from: 'Ozcoins' pid='7708' dateline='1359620437'Their Aussie expert is not around?

Do they have one ?
Title: RE: Impatience
Post by: Fr45h3R on January 31, 2013, 10:07:39 PM
http://www.pcgs.com/job/grader/?utm_source=ezine&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ezine01292013

Perhaps they're a bit short...