I am not normally impatient but waiting for PCGS to post grades for a submission is about the most frustrating experience I can recall. Right now we've got a submission there that they've had for 20 working days. The submission is a modern world (post 1955) submission.
According to the PCGS Statistics (http://www.pcgs.com/statistics/) page a modern world submission should take 9 working days. So I emailed PCGS to find out what the hold up was and I got a stupid reply. The reason that our MODERN WORLD submission might take longer than the estimated 9 days for MODERN WORLD submissions is that WORLD submissions can sometimes take longer than the estimated times for WORLD submissions. What the?!!!!:huh:
Anyway, I am impatient and just want our grades. Grrrrr.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='3325' dateline='1353104598'......
According to the PCGS Statistics (http://www.pcgs.com/statistics/) page a modern world submission should take 9 working days. So I emailed PCGS to find out what the hold up was and I got a stupid reply. The reason that our MODERN WORLD submission might take longer than the estimated 9 days for MODERN WORLD submissions is that WORLD submissions can sometimes take longer than the estimated times for WORLD submissions. What the?!!!!:huh:
They're just playing with you.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='3326' dateline='1353104921'They're just playing with you.
I will not allow them to toy with me DAMMIT! :@
Belly posted a submission with one of my coins with a secure plus for pre 1955 coins, plus a number of coins in the modern world category.
The secure plus submission was back in Australia last Monday, the modern world has yet to be graded.
-rob
Quote from: 'markn' pid='3325' dateline='1353104598'The reason that our MODERN WORLD submission might take longer than the estimated 9 days for MODERN WORLD submissions is that WORLD submissions can sometimes take longer than the estimated times for WORLD submissions.
Hmm..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm88rF3GpLg
Yes Pcgs are dragging the chain a bit , their had my modern sub since 23/10 , No grades on my swanies/gooses yet and others :icon_evil:
Double Double Talk Talk! :winkextra:
That's a childish response by PCGS
By the time you get them back Mark, they will be anciants :laugh2:
Ours is a modern received 22/10, also contains a goose. That's it, it's the gooses's fault.
Yep the geese have run off together to make whoopee and now PCGS can't find them.
I'm just hope my gooses don't come back plucked bagged turkeys, take your time MR pcgs :whistle2:
Are we talking geese or a swan?
The 1967 swan dollar.
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='3368' dateline='1353132430'The 1967 swan dollar.
:cool: Can't wait to see pioc's :drooling:
might be waiting for the breeding season to finish before they send it back
Still no results. You heard anything Belly?
hi markn , no results for belly :whistle2::scratch_one-s_head:
Quote from: 'bellyflorin' pid='3684' dateline='1353464008'hi markn , no results for belly :whistle2::scratch_one-s_head:
And it's Thanksgiving the day after tomorrow, so no grades then either. Nothing till next week I bet.
Good news though is they've checked in the next submission so they really have us sucked in now.
i just had a look at my other submissions , 35 days has been the longest wait on pcgs grades for me ,Date received to date shipped, the shortest 16 days.
:-/ this one 28 days and counting ,
:yahoo: Markn i just got my grades from pcgs , my swan/geese pattern dollars did alright ms65 for the milled edge uncirculated , which is a very patchy toned coin.
The proof plain edge PR64DC , as for my other coins not worth mentioning lol
Quote from: 'bellyflorin' pid='3732' dateline='1353549418':yahoo: Markn i just got my grades from pcgs , my swan/geese pattern dollars did alright ms65 for the milled edge uncirculated , which is a very patchy toned coin.
The proof plain edge PR64DC , as for my other coins not worth mentioning lol
Bah. Ours got there the day before yours too. No grades here. Not a happy camper.
Still no grades :dodgy:
:icon_e_surprised: really , :idea: maybe the pcgs emails might be in your junk email list , which sometimes happens to mine.
sorry to say this but my coins arrived back to me yesterday.:dodgy: :yahoo:
Nope, we log into the PCGS account to check. Nothing, squat, zip, nuttin..
OK , yep best to send another email to pcgs :help: here's mine you can look at while you wait for yours http://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/CoinFacts.aspx?i=1401069 :icon_e_wink:
PPH ,was your goose a proof one ? i just notice on my pcgs registry a swan/goose has graded higher than mine and it's not showing in population report .
All of your shipments seem so fast, I've never had a modern order come back in 20 days.
This is a summary of my PCGS orders over the past year:
(http://downloads.putme.net/pcgs.jpg)
The modern orders are at 8 days and counting, 37 days and counting, 39 days, 28 days, 29 days, 26 days, 36 days and 25 days.
Quote from: 'bellyflorin' pid='4120' dateline='1354167696'OK , yep best to send another email to pcgs :help: here's mine you can look at while you wait for yours http://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/CoinFacts.aspx?i=1401069 :icon_e_wink:
PPH ,was your goose a proof one ? i just notice on my pcgs registry a swan/goose has graded higher than mine and it's no showing in population report .
We have an unc one over there at the moment. This one is already graded
My unc goose (http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/27001920/)
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='4121' dateline='1354168721'All of your shipments seem so fast, I've never had a modern order come back in 20 days.
This is a summary of my PCGS orders over the past year:
(http://downloads.putme.net/pcgs.jpg)
The modern orders are at 8 days and counting, 37 days and counting, 39 days, 28 days, 29 days, 26 days, 36 days and 25 days.
crikey no wonder Mark is still waiting, Looks like you have bogged PCGS down with all your coins :laugh2:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='4134' dateline='1354185934'crikey no wonder Mark is still waiting, Looks like you have bogged PCGS down with all your coins :laugh2:
Ours were there before his. *stamps foot impatiently*
Tomorow will be the day. :dodgy::ireful::beg:
Mine still haven't come, how about yours?
No, we are still waiting. I've been emailing someone there who was communicating with me for a few days but has gone quiet. I am baffled as to how something that was originally projected to take 9 working days can be up to 31 working days. At this rate our economy submission will be completed first.
After 31 working days on a 12 business day turnaround that I now see has blown out to 21 days we have some numbers after Markn poked them again this morning.
Your PCGS grades are available
Just got the e-mail, went and looked, nothing.
Wait, it was another order. Wow submitted on the 26th of Nov, just got the grades.
1 1 26620595 113012 1862-SY 1/2 Sov Australia AU50
2 1 26620596 143375 1863-SY 1/2 Sov Australia XF45
3 1 26620597 165521 1865-SY 1/2 Sov Australia XF45
4 1 26620598 17529 1916-M 3D Australia MS61
5 1 26620599 149127 1925(m & sy) 3D Australia MS64
6 1 26620600 16648 1933 1/2D Australia MS64RB
7 1 26620601 149140 1939 1/2D KM-35 Australia MS64BN
8 1 26620602 143725 1943-S Florin Australia MS63
Hi Walter,
Nice grades. Well done
I really thought that 1933 1/2 was enough for red!! (if this was the one you showed me at Status ?)
-rob
Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='4353' dateline='1354676389'Hi Walter,
Nice grades. Well done
I really thought that 1933 1/2 was enough for red!! (if this was the one you showed me at Status ?)
-rob
Yep that's the one, I thought it'd make MS65, but alas no. I paid close to an MS65 price for it.
So our economy submission was checked in by PCGS on 22/10/12 and back then turnaround was about 9 days. It's been 44 working days now since then and the statistics have blown out to 36 business days. :dodgy: Maybe tomorrow we'll be lucky.
:shok: wow you guys are still waiting ,pcgs are such slackos ,PPH how many coins was in your submission ?, :idea: i hope pcgs didn't push you back to the end of the line because of Mark's last email to them .:icon_e_wink:
We got the modern back. 40 coins in the economy and they have another since then too. *yawn*
Here's the goose/swan in the modern we got back.
1967 goose dollar (http://www.thepurplepenny.com/742,pcgs-ms64-australia-1967-swan-pattern-36;1-milled-edge-uncirculated.html)
Quote from: 'bellyflorin' pid='4877' dateline='1356082008':shok: wow you guys are still waiting ,pcgs are such slackos ,PPH how many coins was in your submission ?, :idea: i hope pcgs didn't push you back to the end of the line because of Mark's last email to them .:icon_e_wink:
Quite possibly
RE: Impatience
(05-12-2012 12:59 PM)Fr45h3R Wrote: Hi Walter,
Nice grades. Well done
I really thought that 1933 1/2 was enough for red!! (if this was the one you showed me at Status ?)
-rob
Yep that's the one, I thought it'd make MS65, but alas no. I paid close to an MS65 price for it.
I am pretty certain that if Walter called this coin a MS65 his judgment would be far more reliable and accurate than some Yank the other side of the world’s judgment.
I have seen him grade coins on CCF and his insight and knowledge of Australian pre/decimal coins is outstanding IMHO far better than any PCGS grader as far as Aussie coins go.
I personally would rather buy a raw coin graded by Walter in a 2x2 than a slab graded by a less knowledgeable grader from a different country.
All you mob think I hate slobbed coins, It’s not the slabbing I hate it is the inaccurate grades given to the coins by uneducated graders that get my goat.
Let’s face the facts PCGS and NGC are basically there to grade US coins.
The grading of coins from other countries is just a bit of sideline business for them.
If you lot are serious about having your coins slabbed for authenticity/grade get it done by a grading company that has intimate knowledge of Australian coins.
I know there is not any real alterative to PCGS or NGC at the moment , but hay aren’t we supposed to be the “Clever Country†it’s about time some of our resident experts got off the fence and start to do something about looking after numismatics in this Country instead of relying on some “Unknown entity†half the world away.
So come on you long time dealers and experts, Take up the challenge and grade Australian coins for Australians :good: and stop sitting on the fence and let some Yank company decide what OUR coins are..
This is the end of my tirade, I very much doubt that I am the only collector in Aus that feels this way though.
Perfectly put Trout.!!!!
Quote from: 'Robster' pid='4881' dateline='1356083596'Perfectly put Trout.!!!!
Thanks Mate:friends:
QuoteLet’s face the facts PCGS and NGC are basically there to grade US coins.
Both PCGS and NGC have multiple offices around the world. I myself would welcome either to Australia and would be even more impressed by the services offered if the graders were Australians.
I know a number of the members here submit coins to PCGS for grading.
Some sell these coins on Auction (ebay / numisbid / quicksales) or through their websites.
Many have been submitting coins for many years.
One day they might even tell us of the number of coins that returned with a details grading.
The efforts of these same people have helped build the numbers in the population reports that both PCGS and NGC maintain.
To me, these numbers paint an excellent picture of the availability of Australian coins, both slabbed, and raw.
It gives me the opportunity to price a coin on availability in conjunction with the prices in the catalog. In my opinion, some coins offer great value for prices above what the catalog may show.
I'll admit up front. I'm not comfortable / competent in grading coins. I am still a novice coin collector. I don't have the years of experience behind me in grading coins like some other members do, and it is for this reason I lean towards purchasing PCGS graded coins, and also trust PCGS to grade my raw coins.
Still waiting on 20 x pre-decimal.
65 days - haven't heard anything.
Wonder what the record is ?
I agree with the comments about an Aussie grading service.
65 days is insane. I was hoping soon but maybe I shouldn't hold my breath.
Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='4885' dateline='1356096271'QuoteLet’s face the facts PCGS and NGC are basically there to grade US coins.
One day they might even tell us of the number of coins that returned with a details grading.
The efforts of these same people have helped build the numbers in the population reports that both PCGS and NGC maintain.
To me, these numbers paint an excellent picture of the availability of Australian coins, both slabbed, and raw.
In the time that we've been submitting coins we've had 17 coins come back with details grading. 4 of these were Australian, 13 were world coins. Our grading failure rate for Australian coins is well under 1%. World coins (and this is entirely my fault) is much higher than that. I need to stop sending in Brazilian 960R's, which account for 9 of the 13 world no grades.
QuoteIn the time that we've been submitting coins we've had 17 coins come back with details grading. 4 of these were Australian, 13 were world coins. Our grading failure rate for Australian coins is well under 1%. World coins (and this is entirely my fault) is much higher than that. I need to stop sending in Brazilian 960R's, which account for 9 of the 13 world no grades.
Thanks for the reply Markn. Those are great results.
I found this the other day as well http://www.pcgs.com/statistics/
I was looking at some public submissions a while back and was surprised at the number of 'details' gradings in some of them.
Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='5181' dateline='1356650809'I was looking at some public submissions a while back and was surprised at the number of 'details' gradings in some of them.
I'm not. It's amazing how many so called professionals in Australia are unable to to pick a cleaned coin. Perhaps I should substitute "unable" with "unwilling". One of the key advantages of TPG coins (PCGS/NGC/ANACS) is their complete impartiality when it comes to altered coins. If they believe a coin is altered beyond whatever standards they apply then they call it as such. Any dealer who self-grades cannot help but be influenced by the commercial reality of needing to sell a clearly altered coin. This influence is even greater when it comes to high value coins.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='5186' dateline='1356652147'Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='5181' dateline='1356650809'I was looking at some public submissions a while back and was surprised at the number of 'details' gradings in some of them.
I'm not. It's amazing how many so called professionals in Australia are unable to to pick a cleaned coin. Perhaps I should substitute "unable" with "unwilling". One of the key advantages of TPG coins (PCGS/NGC/ANACS) is their complete impartiality when it comes to altered coins. If they believe a coin is altered beyond whatever standards they apply then they call it as such. Any dealer who self-grades cannot help but be influenced by the commercial reality of needing to sell a clearly altered coin. This influence is even greater when it comes to high value coins.
I think that even most Amateur collectors can spot a cleaned or dipped coin, so why would a professional dealer send in a coin that is questionable.
Unless it is in an attempt to slip through the cracks and get a coin with details graded.
I would consider this to be a waste of time, money and effort and if sucsessfull highly questionable behviour :dodgy:
QuoteI think that even most Amateur collectors can spot a cleaned or dipped coin, so why would a professional dealer send in a coin that is questionable.
I wouldn't think that all efforts to send in cleaned coins by dealers are devious. Some of them just plain cannot pick a coin that PCGS will details grade.
About 55 working days (84 calendar) and no word from PCGS about my submission of pre-decimal.
Some were regular which should have gone through in 21 according to their website.
Very disappointing for "the industry standard".
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='6302' dateline='1358171486'About 55 working days (84 calendar) and no word from PCGS about my submission of pre-decimal.
Some were regular which should have gone through in 21 according to their website.
Very disappointing for "the industry standard".
We're almost up to 90 calendar days too. I've stopped counting working days.
I've stopped looking, I don't even remember what was in the submission now. We sent another world economy a month later so maybe that will be back by Christmas.
Someone we know who sent a bulk submission way after these submissions already has theirs back. I don't understand how a bulk can be done in record time.
Woot. We have grades. Almost 3 months to the day. Some good ones too. PPH will be thrilled when she gets up and finds out!
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='6305' dateline='1358198147'.......
Someone we know who sent a bulk submission way after these submissions already has theirs back. I don't understand how a bulk can be done in record time.
Because they like me.
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='5159' dateline='1356641180'65 days is insane. I was hoping soon but maybe I shouldn't hold my breath.
Now 100 (calendar) days and still waiting...
That's insane. Something is seriously going on there. I'm told submissions received early October were done very quickly and it looks like they've done very little since then. Ours were done a 17/1 checked in 22/10, but awaiting another checked in 19/11 -I won't hold my breath.
I hope that when you do get your grades that your coins have done well.
What might cause this?
Quote from: 'Ozcoins' pid='7701' dateline='1359616969'What might cause this?
Good question.....
Their Aussie expert is not around?
Quote from: 'Ozcoins' pid='7708' dateline='1359620437'Their Aussie expert is not around?
Do they have one ?
http://www.pcgs.com/job/grader/?utm_source=ezine&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ezine01292013
Perhaps they're a bit short...