st james auctions - lissner collection - 1-2 august
Richard Lissner assembled his truly remarkable collection over the last 40 years. His focus was on coins of exceptional quality, rarity, and pedigree. With over 2900 coins consolidated into approximately 2200 lots, the Lissner collection carries a presale estimate total of over $2 million. On Friday, 1 August 2014, gold, silver, and bronze coins of the World (excluding the New World) will be sold, and the next day, Saturday, 2 August 2014, will offer gold, silver, and bronze coins from the New World.
http://www.cngcoins.com/Coins.aspx?CONTAINER_TYPE_ID=3&VIEW_TYPE=0&IS_AFFILIATE=0
trout -- page1 1927 canberra florin pr66 !! ... lissner picked it up for $60 !!
some nice and affordable coins in this sale but ... plus 21% fee and exchange rate ..
still worth a look :taunt:
Quotetrout -- page1 1927 canberra florin pr66 !! ... lissner picked it up for $60 !!
No worries ill offer $120 :) :laugh2:
What a coin, the estimate has got to be a bit off wouldn't you think?
Quote from: 'proof27' pid='55529' dateline='1406273433'What a coin, the estimate has got to be a bit off wouldn't you think?
10K would be an absolute bargain price for that particular coin :drooling:
Is that trout's estimate of $120? :laughingneqw:
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='55531' dateline='1406273945'Is that trout's estimates of $120? :laughingneqw:
Its all I can afford Mate :cray:
I'll go half with ya trout, 1 month here, 1 month there and so on.
check the colour
http://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=262158
been checking out the bids and it seems many are already well over estimates ...
-- is this due to under valuing by auctioneer
-- specialty collection hype
or .. whatever :dodgy:
Just went through the 110 pages, OMG, what a collection, a lot of no bids yet either. Amazing coins, AMAZING.
IF I had 40k I could get my hands on I would bid it on the Proof Canberra in a Heartbeat.
Heart stopping Coin IMHO:drooling:
Agreed,, someones started it of at $8000
Quote from: 'proof27' pid='55704' dateline='1406457096'Agreed,, someones started it of at $8000
Lucky Sod :cray:
That Proof Canberra is But a "Daydream" coin for me but I have a real chance at scoring my second (Different type) Pagoda which IS within my limited budget and I will just have to be content with that.
ONE Powerball and that Puppy would be MINE though :yahoo:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='55705' dateline='1406457195'Quote from: 'proof27' pid='55704' dateline='1406457096'Agreed,, someones started it of at $8000
Lucky Sod :cray:
When I see a great coin that I don't have the funds to buy I always hope it sells for a high price. That way I don't have any regrets for not having the cash on hand.
How would Trout feel if 8,000 was the only bid and some bugger got his dream cheaply?
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='55706' dateline='1406457933'Quote from: 'trout' pid='55705' dateline='1406457195'Quote from: 'proof27' pid='55704' dateline='1406457096'Agreed,, someones started it of at $8000
Lucky Sod :cray:
When I see a great coin that I don't have the funds to buy I always hope it sells for a high price. That way I don't have any regrets for not having the cash on hand.
How would Trout feel if 8,000 was the only bid and some bugger got his dream cheaply?
You would hear me Sobbing from where you are for Months :angel:
I however think this coin will make 50K+
it will go for at least $10k that's how much I will snipe for it
Quote from: 'trout' pid='55707' dateline='1406458186'You would hear me Sobbing from where you are for Months :angel:
I however think this coin will make 50K+
The Australian pre 1955 proof market is depressed and well off of the catalogue values in either Renniks or Maccas. I'll bet you a dollar that coin gets less than half what you guessed. Perhaps even less than a third.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='55719' dateline='1406503392'Quote from: 'trout' pid='55707' dateline='1406458186'You would hear me Sobbing from where you are for Months :angel:
I however think this coin will make 50K+
The Australian pre 1955 proof market is depressed and well off of the catalogue values in either Renniks or Maccas. I'll bet you a dollar that coin gets less than half what you guessed. Perhaps even less than a third.
It is always a fun activity to have a guess... I think that coin would go for $ 12,750 + commission.
My guess it will push 40k. I would pay that if I had it and wanted a divorce.
I was thinking $27k
just saw this :shok:
The buyer's fee will be 21%
why is this so high?
http://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=262159
Quote from: 'serial' pid='55723' dateline='1406508315'I was thinking $27k
just saw this :shok:
The buyer's fee will be 21%
why is this so high?
http://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=262159
Probably because it's an MS66 and it's got the WINGS sticker on it. Perhaps it's a top pop coin. The rupees tend to do well at auction in MS65 and higher as they are the most popular Indian coin to collect.
http://youtu.be/c3hNrRjARNY
Woow.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='55727' dateline='1406511813'Probably because it's an MS66 and it's got the WINGS sticker on it. Perhaps it's a top pop coin. The rupees tend to do well at auction in MS65 and higher as they are the most popular Indian coin to collect.
pardon my ignorance... what's so special about the wings sticker?
The Canberra Proof is still only at $8000.
Given the popularity of this coin Worldwide I honestly cannot see this selling cheap, There may only be 2 days to go But then there is the live auction to end this.
The 23% auction fee is pretty outrageous and may put some bidders off But IF this sells for anything less than $25000 I will donate one of my spare Silver 25mm dollar coins to Markns Collection :ok:
Quote from: 'kchan1111' pid='55729' dateline='1406517850'http://youtu.be/c3hNrRjARNY
Woow.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='55727' dateline='1406511813'Probably because it's an MS66 and it's got the WINGS sticker on it. Perhaps it's a top pop coin. The rupees tend to do well at auction in MS65 and higher as they are the most popular Indian coin to collect.
pardon my ignorance... what's so special about the wings sticker?
A wings sticker is a gold sticker put on by a Florida company that reviews slabs from the big 4 grading companies. It implies that the MS66 is a full 66 and you don't have to worry that you are buying an overgraded coin.
It is no different to the green beans and gold beans of CAC.
As to how good Wings is at reviewing coins or how much their opinion is worth is a matter of opinion, but for high end coins it probably is reasurring to many buyers buying sight unseen.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='55759' dateline='1406587750'The Canberra Proof is still only at $8000.
Given the popularity of this coin Worldwide I honestly cannot see this selling cheap, There may only be 2 days to go But then there is the live auction to end this.
The 23% auction fee is pretty outrageous and may put some bidders off But IF this sells for anything less than $25000 I will donate one of my spare Silver 25mm dollar coins to Markns Collection :ok:
I will find something to send you if it ends up at more than 25k. Are we talking before juice or the total amount?
QuoteI will find something to send you if it ends up at more than 25k. Are we talking before juice or the total amount?
before "juice" would be the fair way to see what the actual coin value is at the moment I would think. :good:
I will parachute naked if it doesnt get at least 25-30k
Quote from: 'proof27' pid='55798' dateline='1406604014'I will parachute naked if it doesnt get at least 25-30k
I hope you'll have someone videoing it! :angel:
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='55763' dateline='1406590352'A wings sticker is a gold sticker put on by a Florida company that reviews slabs from the big 4 grading companies. It implies that the MS66 is a full 66 and you don't have to worry that you are buying an overgraded coin.
It is no different to the green beans and gold beans of CAC.
As to how good Wings is at reviewing coins or how much their opinion is worth is a matter of opinion, but for high end coins it probably is reasurring to many buyers buying sight unseen.
Sounds like yet another middleman that adds little value but costs to everything.
Are there companies that review the stickers then? :dodgy:
Quote from: 'proof27' pid='55798' dateline='1406604014'I will parachute naked if it doesnt get at least 25-30k
I promise not to parachute naked. Ever. For the sake of humanity.
Quote from: 'proof27' pid='55798' dateline='1406604014'I will parachute naked if it doesnt get at least 25-30k
Trout just got a camera and Markn takes some mean shots, will they need a zoom lens?:angel:
I recon if the coin sells cheap I can drop the Silver coin off to Proof27 and he can skydive into Markns yard and hand it to him :laugh2::)
Quote from: 'markn' pid='55806' dateline='1406605915'Quote from: 'proof27' pid='55798' dateline='1406604014'I will parachute naked if it doesnt get at least 25-30k
I promise not to parachute naked. Ever. For the sake of humanity.
thank-you Mark
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='55814' dateline='1406613969'Quote from: 'proof27' pid='55798' dateline='1406604014'I will parachute naked if it doesnt get at least 25-30k
Trout just got a camera and Markn takes some mean shots, will they need a zoom lens?:angel:
I'm thinking something like this,
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Quote from: 'proof27' pid='55827' dateline='1406617537'Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='55814' dateline='1406613969'Quote from: 'proof27' pid='55798' dateline='1406604014'I will parachute naked if it doesnt get at least 25-30k
Trout just got a camera and Markn takes some mean shots, will they need a zoom lens?:angel:
I'm thinking something like this,
This is interesting... :yahoo:
I stand by my guess.... Let's see what happens...
I just had a look at the link to the Canberra Proof and the bidding is still only $8000 and Closed.
Is that the final price or is there still to be a public Live auction for this ?
I thought there was going to be a numis bid type auction!
it sold for $8k
so where do we chip in for the skydiving expedition?
There's live room bidding to come yet.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='56006' dateline='1406891032'There's live room bidding to come yet.
Do you know when that will be Mark?
Quote from: 'serial' pid='56005' dateline='1406890661'I thought there was going to be a numis bid type auction!
it sold for $8k
so where do we chip in for the skydiving expedition?
As this is a coin forum will we be getting a
money shot of the skydiving?:shok:
"Brass Monkey Moment". :shok:
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ha ha
I bet that pic won't last too long!
Is that "Willie" Nelson ? :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:
Uh. C'mon people.
$8,00 was just online bidding and closed, the serious bids will be on the floor. I'm sure, I hope, um. :s
Proof Canberra sold for $13k plus juice.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='56167' dateline='1407151028'Proof Canberra sold for $13k plus juice.
Jesus that was Cheap.
A Deal is a Deal Mark.
PM me your postage details and I will send you one of my better spare silver Proof coins (Box and all)
Quote from: 'trout' pid='56169' dateline='1407152217'Quote from: 'markn' pid='56167' dateline='1407151028'Proof Canberra sold for $13k plus juice.
Jesus that was Cheap.
A Deal is a Deal Mark.
PM me your postage details and I will send you one of my better spare silver Proof coins (Box and all)
Donate $15 to the Beyond Blue Foundation and we'll call it square.
Consider it DONE :ok:
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='55721' dateline='1406507095'Quote from: 'markn' pid='55719' dateline='1406503392'Quote from: 'trout' pid='55707' dateline='1406458186'You would hear me Sobbing from where you are for Months :angel:
I however think this coin will make 50K+
The Australian pre 1955 proof market is depressed and well off of the catalogue values in either Renniks or Maccas. I'll bet you a dollar that coin gets less than half what you guessed. Perhaps even less than a third.
It is always a fun activity to have a guess... I think that coin would go for $ 12,750 + commission.
So what do I get for being only $250 off the sold price ? I think I should become a betting man :yahoo:
you don't have to parachute down to mark's backyard in the nuddie !! ha ha
I reckon that is a win win in the middle of winter!
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='56180' dateline='1407187883'you don't have to parachute down to mark's backyard in the nuddie !! ha ha
I reckon that is a win win in the middle of winter!
It's not been as cold as Canberra here in the morning but it's still been pretty freaking cold. I think any male paracuhting into our backyard in the mornings wouldn't have too much to see. So that'd be the time to do it.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='56167' dateline='1407151028'Proof Canberra sold for $13k plus juice.
That is totally unreal, blows my mind that went for $13,000. What would be the factors involved for it going so CHEAP?
Quote from: 'proof27' pid='56204' dateline='1407224974'Quote from: 'markn' pid='56167' dateline='1407151028'Proof Canberra sold for $13k plus juice.
That is totally unreal, blows my mind that went for $13,000. What would be the factors involved for it going so CHEAP?
A couple of factors.
The auction wasn't in Australia so many collectors wouldn't know it happened.
It isn't the biggest auction house either so unless you follow dozens of auction houses (Heritage, Stacks, Spinks, Baldwins,Seaby etc) then you probably never follow this company either
Many probably thought it would go for 40+ so didn't bother registering as it was out of their pocket, I'd bet a few more would have bid had they thought they had a chance at 13+. Trout, would you have bid if you knew it could be all yours for 13K?
The market is weak at the moment, it is a buyers market with many Australian choice material off by half (or more for banknotes).
The luck of the day, it would only take 2 serious top end collectors to start a bidding duel.
Quote from: 'proof27' pid='56204' dateline='1407224974'Quote from: 'markn' pid='56167' dateline='1407151028'Proof Canberra sold for $13k plus juice.
That is totally unreal, blows my mind that went for $13,000. What would be the factors involved for it going so CHEAP?
The pre-1955 proof market is very depressed compared with the values you can see in the catalogues. I don't know whether this is related to the collapse of the Rare Coin Company and the generally spooked nature of the "investment" class coins or not. But regardless, the price realised mirrored exactly the same prices I've been seeing for this type of coin for several months.
Just like the CV's for top graded PCGS coins you may as well ignore CV's for pre-1955 proofs. They bear little relation to what's actually going on in the market.
QuoteTrout, would you have bid if you knew it could be all yours for 13K?
It took me a Month to pay off my Pagoda due to overspending on coins and PCGS submissions.
I will never put myself in that position again and 13k would do just that.
So NO it was WAY out of my league but a beautiful coin all the same.
I don't think the coin market is "Depressed" at the moment I just think it is coming back to reality Which is a GOOD thing for collectors.
I do envy the winning bidder on this coin But Bloody good luck to them for getting this stunner :yahoo:
"One Powerball"
:)
Should, could or would of scenario, but fairdinkum, if I had known it was going so low, I would of put it on house loan. What a buy. :icon_cry: