Quote from: 'keldaw' pid='55074' dateline='1405892452'the reason I am selling on this forum is that I want to offer them to friends rather then sell on ebay to strangers and I also save on commission to ebay and now they even charge commission on the postage cost .. wrong , just wrong .. ,, kel ,,
Kel said this in his sale thread. I think this matter is worth some discussion as quite a few forum members are "hobby/amateur" sellers on eBay.
So, to avoid Mark having to waste time deleting or moving off thread posts I have started a new thread.
From changes to eBay policies in recent times it is obvious they are strongly encouraging professional (shop) sellers with hundreds or thousands of listings; all Buy it Now and free, express postage is their preferred option.
They don't care about the small seller -in my case most items sell for between $10 and $25; some more and some even less. I can't afford to cover postage costs for such small sales so I just have to bear the iniquitous commission charge on postage. I have been listing quite a few items lately with "free" post and that doesn't translate into higher selling prices.
Anyway, there is no such thing as free post -someone has to pay- guess who? Yes, it is built into the price.
Auction sales are an increasingly smaller proportion of eBay listings and they don't care. EBay is now a "selling" site, not an "auction" site. Management priority is to maximise revenue. Any long term. small sellers who are unhappy are not the sellers they want. Feel free to leave if you don't like that -and don't hold your breath waiting for the emails trying to woo you back.
Because some overseas sellers can get such cheap rates for postage this is encouraging sales from places like Hong Kong. Sellers there can sell an item (postage to Australia included) for less than a seller in Australia can post a similar item locally.
No worry, EBay has done a deal to sell discounted postage to sellers. Great idea, except I can usually do it cheaper anyway [PPH will know what I mean]. However, add their 9.9% surcharge on postage cost and it is not quite as attractive after all.
Call me a cynic (no offense because I am) but, I wonder what is in it for eBay with the special arrangements with Australia Post -you know, that large organisation that is always complaining how much money they lose. Surely they can't afford to discount their rates and slip a sweetener to eBay?
And, some collateral damage...Australia post does not pay franchisees a cent for handling eBay sold postage items -that is postage that they would previously sold and obtained a (miserly) commission. There has been much publicity locally about the Gulgong LPO (Licensed Post Office) closing down. Income from AP commissions is now inadequate to provide a living income to the franchisees. This in a town of around 2,500 population and almost as many again in close, rural areas. Nearest official PO is 29km away. And AP is selling postage items -mailing boxes, satchels, registered post envelopes and such- on line (same price as your LPO and free postage to you) -choice of AP site or AP eBay shop for this. That sucks!
Where will it all end?
ebay does gouge a lot, and if I had another choice I would
but they hold the market
if forum member like a item that has been put up on flee bay then they can always flick me a message
Quote from: 'Australian coin' pid='55113' dateline='1405932886'ebay does gouge a lot, and if I had another choice I would
but they hold the market
if forum member like a item that has been put up on flee bay then they can always flick me a message
It is hard to know which member is which eBay site. Outside of emu you guys(girls) use a fleabay handle that doesn't match your real name or your ACF handle.
Maybe ACF should have a section in Buy/Sell where each ACF member who sells on eBay has their eBay handle next to their ACF handle. Ideally we could go to this section, and for example find Trout is Pommystockman and click on Pommystockman to go direct to his listings.
quicksales? He says, shifting into devil's advocate mode.
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='55115' dateline='1405935049'Quote from: 'Australian coin' pid='55113' dateline='1405932886'ebay does gouge a lot, and if I had another choice I would
but they hold the market
if forum member like a item that has been put up on flee bay then they can always flick me a message
It is hard to know which member is which eBay site. Outside of emu you guys(girls) use a fleabay handle that doesn't match your real name or your ACF handle.
Maybe ACF should have a section in Buy/Sell where each ACF member who sells on eBay has their eBay handle next to their ACF handle. Ideally we could go to this section, and for example find Trout is Pommystockman and click on Pommystockman to go direct to his listings.
How does this suit?
http://www.australian-coins.net/showthread.php?tid=2833
or maybe, some bright spark at trademe (http://www.trademe.co.nz/) might have a "light bulb" moment and say "Hey, we have a lot of Australian members and we have a lot of trans-Tasman sales. I wonder if there is an opportunity there?" After all, they effectively killed eBay in NZ.
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='55115' dateline='1405935049'It is hard to know which member is which eBay site. Outside of emu you guys(girls) use a fleabay handle that doesn't match your real name or your ACF handle.
Maybe ACF should have a section in Buy/Sell where each ACF member who sells on eBay has their eBay handle next to their ACF handle. Ideally we could go to this section, and for example find Trout is Pommystockman and click on Pommystockman to go direct to his listings.
Hi Neal,
You picked a Penny up from me a couple of weeks back. (rob.barat)
Was a 1949 with a very small clip.
Thinking I should stop using my real name when selling though :dodgy:
wow you guys sell much nicer stuff than me!
I am too embarrassed to list my handle as I sell mostly junk I don't want or have surplus of to fund getting stuff I want and storage materials.
Yep, have your coin in my purchase list (3/6/14).To tell you the truth I didn't know it had a small clip until you told me.
Now I'll have to get it out of my "high grades" box and put it in my "choice error" page ( still in a Saflip purchased from PP).
With all my good purchases recently I've completely run out of flips. This is a problem I like (and PP will get another order soon).
QuoteI've completely run out of flips. This is a problem I like (and PP will get another order soon).
I hear you Mate, I have just had to order a couple more saflips from PP I am also fresh out of 2x2's as well and will have to order another batch.
This is a GOOD thing I think , it means that I/we have more coins now :Dance2::)
Quote from: 'trout' pid='55132' dateline='1405940112'QuoteI've completely run out of flips. This is a problem I like (and PP will get another order soon).
I hear you Mate, I have just had to order a couple more saflips from PP I am also fresh out of 2x2's as well and will have to order another batch.
This is a GOOD thing I think , it means that I/we have more coins now :Dance2::)
I hear you.
It is good that we are adding nice stuff to our collections, but I have to wonder how many times you buggers on this forum are the ones sniping at the last second, either I miss out or I pay more than I hoped if I win. More than once I have seen coins posted in the eBay wins section that I was the underbidder on.
I stopped using 2X2s late last year (about the same time I stopped using PVC sheets). They drop dust from the cardboard, I hate the thought of staples ripping album pages and the stick together ones don't (I think they use Post It notes glue, won't stick:-/).
With Saflips I put 2 coins in most of them as I only use the card to write on details for the top shelf coins.
Very satisfied with Saflips (and PP albums), but why doesn't PP have 2.5X2.5 in stock?
Quotebut why doesn't PP have 2.5X2.5 in stock?
Sounds like some Sod cleaned her out of stock :angel::laugh2:
Also I can put 8x 3d coins in a 2.5x2.5 saflips with the aid of a heat sealer thanks to NO small part in the way one of our members sent coins to me :)
I usually have about a dozen packs in stock and no one buys them. Then someone swans in and buys the lot and now everyone is whinging!! Just as well this is a whinging thread :laugh2:
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='55203' dateline='1406019523'I usually have about a dozen packs in stock and no one buys them. Then someone swans in and buys the lot and now everyone is whinging!! Just as well this is a whinging thread :laugh2:
Well they were all put to good use and I only have 26 left, I need at least 30 for my next submission so I will just have to use the 2x2 saflips I ordered instead :)
Apologies, I had to delete some posts here. Apologies to the innocent parties who were caught up in it and lost a post too.
lol np
I have never sold on eBay but have made over 1,000 purchases.
I always work out my bid based on the postage. If I'm willing to bid $10 for an item then if postage is $8 then I'll either bid $2 or not waste my time.
If postage is free then I'll bid $10.
If the seller combines post then I'll bid higher and on more items.
When you have sellers having postage (not even registered) of $20, $50 and higher then I won't bother with that seller.
Bottom line is I have no objections to sellers covering their costs but I hate gouging.
Also postage cost is just that, the cost of the stamp/registration and the envelope/padding. It is cr@p when sellers try and charge for handling. If you go into a retail store you don't pay the price plus handling so why do online sellers think they can pull that stunt?
Guess I'm a cranky bugger like Trout:sun_bespectacled:
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='55300' dateline='1406112463'Also postage cost is just that, the cost of the stamp/registration and the envelope/padding. It is cr@p when sellers try and charge for handling. If you go into a retail store you don't pay the price plus handling so why do online sellers think they can pull that stunt?
Guess I'm a cranky bugger like Trout:sun_bespectacled:
The price in stores already includes handling. And rent. And power. And rates. And insurance. And sundry employer expenses. And a profit margin. Just because you don't see a price that breaks it all down for you don't kid yourself that you're not paying it.
I don't have a problem with eBay sellers including a "handling" cost, you just need to factor it into your final bid amount.
QuoteGuess I'm a cranky bugger like Trout
Gawd I wasn't being Kranky , I was just having some fun :angel::yahoo:
What is wrong with a handling fee?
Selling "face to face" and "cash in hand" is better all around. There are less hassles, less fees, less risks, no buying stamps and packaging, no labels to do, no queueing at post offices, no registering mail and telling the registration number, no mail going missing (or fraudulently claimed to be missing), no damaged in the mail problems, no item not as described problems.
If you want it posted, why not pay for the extra risks, hassles and work?
everyone has difference views
but a whole bunch of listings can take one or two days of full time work
internet charges, seller store fees (ours is $50 month), & sale price fees + paypal fees, purchase of the items + travel costs if you go shows/auctions, camera for photos, description, listing,
envelopes, packing, labels and travel to post etc
one dealer who I know pays wages for his ebay store as well as the fees
so he pays a full time salary each week to his employee
for the past few years, yes, I sell for fun of the hobby and to recover costs to fund my hobby
I would like to be a seller in my retirement and for the past 8 years I have been trying the business out to see if it cold 'bring home the bacon' so to speak
but if I give it away then I may as well give up on the whole game
for buyers, yep it is easy - press the button & pay by paypal for which the seller incurs further charges from
sometimes, I can't understand some complaints and then people go on about the thousands of dollars that they will spend on one coin and then bag a seller for charging more then 60 cents for postage
chuck a coin is a PCGS slab and the price goes through the roof and no one seems to buck about that (- addit - not all , the rarer 'pcgs' grades really)
sometimes the views seem too incredulous for me to even understand
Most of the "Whinges" about eBay are Fake coins, Crappy images, Polished/overgraded coins and excessive postage charges.
That is a buyers perspective and is worth thinking about if you want to be successful selling on this medium :ok:
sellers have perspectives too
and sellers are buyers as well
just because someone sells, it doesn't make them second rate citizens
I really don't believe that postage is such an issue except for people trying to get stuff really cheap
many successful ebay sellers (and ANDA members) have consistent postage charges of $6 - $10 -$15 and they have thousands of feedback numbers
and repeat customers
even the RAM charges a far wack of postage - why? because aussie post charges too & it is a cost recovery for postal costs and wages paid to issue that item
people bag the mint but there are employees, rents paid and heating and cooling of a very large building, huge insurance premiums and Titan to pay off as well!
end of rant xx
I get where you're coming from RG. If you have a few hundred items to list the time to put them up
has to be taken into account.It takes me 3 minutes on average to list each item so if I had 200 items
it would take me 10 hours and if I had to pay somebody it wouldn't be worth it.Sometime I hesitate for
weeks if I have a lot of items to list as I don't look forward to the listing to sell part of the hobby
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='55319' dateline='1406115640'sellers have perspectives too
and sellers are buyers as well
just because someone sells, it doesn't make them second rate citizens
I really don't believe that postage is such an issue except for people trying to get stuff really cheap
many successful ebay sellers (and ANDA members) have consistent postage charges of $6 - $10 -$15 and they have thousands of feedback numbers
and repeat customers
even the RAM charges a far wack of postage - why? because aussie post charges too & it is a cost recovery for postal costs and wages paid to issue that item
people bag the mint but there are employees, rents paid and heating and cooling of a very large building, huge insurance premiums and Titan to pay off as well!
end of rant xx
I am Sorry RG but I have to disagree with you Mate :ok:
If I feel that the postage costs are too high I will neither bid or buy on an item from a seller, Regardless if it is a $5 or a $500 coin.
My view is if I think they are being "Shonky" with the postage costs , How can I trust them to deliver the coin I am bidding/buying from them in the first place :angel:
Lets face the facts , 99.99% of eBay sellers have little or NO overheads (Unlike B&T Dealers) and postage "Scalping" is simply a scam IMHO.
As far as paying off Titan goes, The taxpayer has already done that :angel:
Quote from: 'Ozcoins' pid='55311' dateline='1406113888'What is wrong with a handling fee?
Selling "face to face" and "cash in hand" is better all around. There are less hassles, less fees, less risks, no buying stamps and packaging, no labels to do, no queueing at post offices, no registering mail and telling the registration number, no mail going missing (or fraudulently claimed to be missing), no damaged in the mail problems, no item not as described problems.
If you want it posted, why not pay for the extra risks, hassles and work?
Bricks and mortar shops also have costs and some of them are equivalent to online (mail goes missing online and stock gets shoplifted in stores).
if I buy a coin for $10 in a shop I hand over $10. I don't get told there is a handling fee on top to pay for the stores staff.
Oftentimes the sellers specifically state in their listings No Pickups. So it isn't necessarily what we want but what they want. It can also be an extra hassle for a buyer to wait a week or two for a package, worry about the mail box everyday and then get a card in the mail requiring a trip (sometimes 2) to the post office to pick up the package. All for an online dealer who is an easy stroll away in a nearby suburb.
The item not as described might be because unlike real shops (where you can see the product) you are relying on the sellers description and photos. Lots of coins are mis-described and photoshopped and fleabay does diddly squat to crack down on them.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='55144' dateline='1405946771'Quotebut why doesn't PP have 2.5X2.5 in stock?
Sounds like some Sod cleaned her out of stock :angel::laugh2:
Also I can put 8x 3d coins in a 2.5x2.5 saflips with the aid of a heat sealer thanks to NO small part in the way one of our members sent coins to me :)
:dodgy: yes went to put an order in the other day only to be told they're all gone so I knew it was trout :angel:
points taken Neal
people usually shop online for convenience and the after sales can be inconvenient
I always prefer reg. post as I have had TOO many items go missing and the seller doesn't give a toss
anyways I always have reg post and have many repeat customers over many years
so I don't think that I have it 100% wrong
buyers get to trust you and come back
I NEVER allow pick-up
1. cause I am a woman
2. I don't want all and sundry knowing where I live
3. having attempted it, off site pick up is far more hassle to organise than popping the item in the post and half the time it is for a item for a couple of dollars anyways
4. now, I never collect as I have had times with the seller trying to get me into their home to showcase more items for sale and the pick-up becomes an hour visit - which can be ok but a bit disconcerting with strangers
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='55350' dateline='1406134840'Quote from: 'trout' pid='55144' dateline='1405946771'Quotebut why doesn't PP have 2.5X2.5 in stock?
Sounds like some Sod cleaned her out of stock :angel::laugh2:
Also I can put 8x 3d coins in a 2.5x2.5 saflips with the aid of a heat sealer thanks to NO small part in the way one of our members sent coins to me :)
:dodgy: yes went to put an order in the other day only to be told they're all gone so I knew it was trout :angel:
hi AJ
thank-you too xx