Hello,
I was after opinions and examples of how lazy Kids have become. I know every generation says the same thing, I walked to school barefoot for miles through snow....... You give them things and they dont look after them, and take things ( personal ie other peoples property ) without asking. Then if they break it, bad luck for you. I would like to kick their backside until their nose bleeds. Same goes for their behaviour in Public, the Parents dont give a Rats either. We are slowly becoming a US state, where everyone demands their rights, but are more than happy to infringe others.
Spelling and grammar ? One thing I like about this Forum. I can understand what people are saying. I make an occasional error, but I have read Posts on other Forums that are like another language. Very hard to read. I got abused for saying this, so no help from me. To me it seems that all the safety rules and warnings have enabled idiots to breed unchecked.
Kids that only contact you when they need money, but always know better so they can tell you how wrong you always are. Once they go to Uni, the blend of arrogance and ignorance is amazing.
Am I a grumpy old man ? Have I become like my Father ? What do you think ?
Quote from: 'Coiny Chris' pid='54726' dateline='1405370302'Am I a grumpy old man ? Have I become like my Father ? What do you think ?
Yes you are a grumpy old man :)
I am too, so don't go changing!
Quote from: 'markn' pid='54727' dateline='1405370995'Quote from: 'Coiny Chris' pid='54726' dateline='1405370302'Am I a grumpy old man ? Have I become like my Father ? What do you think ?
Yes you are a grumpy old man :)
I am too, so don't go changing!
I'm a grumpy old woman, and I know exactly what you're saying.
A lot of kids these days have no respect for anyone or anything, and that's mostly due to the way they are being raised by totally self obsessed parents, who also don't give a damn and can't bear to take their eyes/hands off their phones in case they miss something. :ireful:
I think a lot of kids these days have a lack of respect for other people.Whether they
aren't taught it by their parents or at schools I don't know but with many kids it gets worse as they
get older.Bring back the cane in schools and then they'll show some respect
Oh so many points:
1. We're reaping the failures of our generation. A lot of parents simply lack the parenting skills. But if you ask them, it's the fault of the authorities because they didn't intervene early enough. However if the authorities do intervene then they are being thuggish.
2. Peer pressure is greater than parental influence in the middle to latter school years.
3. Children are now in an age of entitlement and instant gratification. It's due to them and they want it NOW. The finances of the parents do not really belong to the parent. It's really the child's inheritance so what is wrong with taking it now rather than later.
4. Authority is to be questioned and challenged rather than respected. Many also do not respect their parents hence the emerging issue of parental/elder abuse.
5. Children must have at least the same level of freedom and possessions as everyone else in their peer group and if they don't have it then they will take it.
6. If they do something wrong then it is the authority's responsibility to prove it and even if it is proved then they aren't totally responsible because of their immaturity and the way they were raised and improperly influenced. Society must expect less of their children and forgive and forget. There is an unwillingness to accept responsibility.
Having said that I see some exceptional work and achievements by the current young generation. Higher levels of education, sporting achievements, success in the arts and finance, technical wizardry etc etc.
Overall I don't know that kids are better/worse than in our generation but the media just make us more aware of the good and bad but the spread between good/bad is still the same.
"Kids that only contact you when they need money, but always know better so they can tell you how wrong you always are. Once they go to Uni, the blend of arrogance and ignorance is amazing."
I have adult 2 sons at uni
One doing English and philosophy the other now doing journalism
both have had their ups and downs and we have certainly had our moments with them
the one & only daughter went down a medical path and loves it
but overall I think they are all good kids & the uni ones both work part-time while studying
the one doing English gently corrects my spoken and written English which annoys me but I do take pride in his level of education and how he has embraced English. He reminds me of my mother, my mum always pulled out the Latin roots explanations when we talked about language (eer when she corrected mine!)
I not so gently correct his lifestyle and he tolerates that - when did you last clean out your shaver? , when did you last wash that work shirt? , are their batteries in your push bike lights and then are they on the bike? and so on
Yes, I think you guys are grumpy old men and that is the way it is meant to be. If you have boundaries then you spring back abruptly -they need that direct feedback when they have gone too far! How else will they learn? The men have to be the mentors and rule makers for our sons.
sure there are bad apples
and dumb apples
but if they are on your apple tree then you love them and tolerate their arrogance era - they do eventually grow up - the teenage years can be the worse from our experience of raising the boys. The daughter never really had any problems with where she fitted with the family but the boys did struggle as they developed their independence and grew into their adult identities
but hey, is it really all that different to days gone by?
Although I think our younger kids were disadvantaged by the internet. the older daughter managed to bypass the onset of computers taking over their social lives. I believe that she was fortunate on that call.
The big problem is its not just kids, it's all ages....
I am not a father, although I am an Uncle, a Godparent and a willing instructor to many kids.!
Shortly I will attend the funeral of a dear family friend who has passed at the age of 89. I grew up with his son (also deceased) and was fortunate to be included in many family adventures. This gentleman was a National Champion in two different categories (clay target shooting and Pro Stock Drag Racing).
Despite the busy schedule us 'boys' were always included and there was a lesson taught at every corner.!! (practical or life). I was shown respect and returned it in buckets.!!
In my opinion we are losing the ability to pass on 'life lessons' with each generation, an unfortunate byproduct of the hectic lifestyle the young parents of today now lead.!
I will sadly farewell my Mr. Flaherty today, knowing I have lost another link with the years that my memory holds so dearly.!:heart:
sad :(
Robster,
I also lost someone like that many years ago, but I was a willing student. It is hard to teach life skills when they dont want to learn. The attention span runs out when they dont get something. It was also returned in my case, with me helping and lending him a Car when he was working on his. Not all Kids, I should have said but sadly there are more out there each day. My woman has to deal with the product of Parents that shouldn't be Parents. Everyone doesn't do their bit, but always wants to blame someone else for the result.
Quote from: 'Coiny Chris' pid='54740' dateline='1405385209'My woman has to deal with the product of Parents that shouldn't be Parents.
This might skew your view of society...
A quote that springs to mind.
"Police spend 95% of their time dealing with 5% of the population"
I think it would be very hard to be a policeman and not think society is worse than it really is.
You cannot lump all kids in together. As a security guard I get to see the best and worst of them.
2 weeks ago I watched over 4,000+ teens at a Hillsong conference. They were noisy etc but I didn't hear an F word for 3 days and only saw 2 minor fights.
Last Saturday at the races I had 8 hours of hundreds of tart dressed females and drunks (male and female). We did 8 hours straight because it was non stop evictions for behaviour and booze. Had one young lady think it was appropriate to raise her dress above her waist so her friend could take some photos, she was hotter than Jennifer Hawkins and wore a smaller bottom than Jennifer did in that wardrobe malfunction. Bet the photo will be "liked" on farcebook and instascam.
Just go to hope the Hillsong teens don't turn out like her
I am of the opinion that it is this multicultural thing that has caused many problems in the community today.
Many nationalities and cultures all trying to vie for the one thing. That thing is domination.
How many immigrants have been here many years and still can't speak English, our supposedly national language. How many people still want to live as they did in there old homeland and they will not change for any reason. If they don't want to change, well, why come out here in the first place.
I am not being racist but until one accepts the Australian way of life and culture, then kids will not accept it and they will become as they would in their own homeland from where they came.
it is the influences of the children's parents that have to change before their kids adopt.
Yep,one of the major problems in the EEC,France in particular,are the kids from the 1st wave of non-Christian immigrants,many now are in middle age and still haven't assimilated and have a huge chip on the shoulder.Friends recentlly came back from a Euro. Holiday and their hire-car was torched just outside Marseille,Hotel owner said it was a common ocurrence and only getting worse.
that is terrible
People watching at the shops while waiting around for the better half is the source of amusement sometimes, other times it just makes me mad. I couldn't count the number of times I've seen the spoilt brat teenager ( sorry Ladies, usually a daughter ) sporting that expressionless "doh" face with Mum in tow. You just know that good old Mum will move a mountain that day in order to please the unpleasable. But this isn't just a recent thing.
Hello,
There is a lot of Spoilt Princess attitude about. Like the magnetic poles are shifting, so to are the Genders. Girls now have attitude, dress to show " Builders crack " and spend less time doing their hair / getting ready than the Boys. Not all as I have said though. I know this is going out on a branch a little, but ethnic groups that dont want to assimilate are a different issue. The first Gen of Kids dont think they are Aussie, and resent everything. The Parents know this is a sort of fresh start and do appreciate being here. The trouble is they always bring the issues they claim to be fleeing from with them. It is quite common to be talking to someone and they mention " their country " then when you ask they were born here. When you come to a Country, you have to fit in.
Kids show little respect for their Parents and elders. In the " Old " days it was common for 3 generations to be in a house. The Patriarch ruled the place. Now they can get out early and are given accom and money. They then learn how to milk the system and breed another generation of Oxygen thieves. They take over Public housing areas, and the Pensioners and other Tenants live in fear. Not just Public housing either. This isnt a new thing, but all the " Do gooders " telling people about all their rights have added to the problem. Much like not being able to keep a Kid in line with a smack. Many Parents would also benefit from this IMO.
We need to stop the slide, we are slowly becoming another state of the US. We are all paying for this, even if indirectly. Kids are the first step IMO. Teach them values and respect.
Quote from: 'Coiny Chris' pid='54785' dateline='1405457541'We need to stop the slide, we are slowly becoming another state of the US. We are all paying for this, even if indirectly. Kids are the first step IMO. Teach them values and respect.
I agree but the American influence is far preferable to becoming a Province of China,the Chinese are running our economy at the moment,they are destroying our manufacturing and looking to invest in Farming & Mining leases. Falun Gong defector in Aust. gave the Govt. a list of over 800 people "working" for the Chinese Govt. so looks like they will have a huge influence over us in the future.
Chris
you are describing a smaller percentages of our community and then lumping all young people in with them?
bit of tunnel vision there?
I don't entirely agree with the patriarch ruling the place, during the great depression it was very often the working class women who kept the house hold going while their unemployed husbands languished in their self pity at the pub
Many families are matriarchal
It depends on which book you are reading & if it includes a female perspective on society
my boys left home at 23 and 23 respectively - the 26 year old is now back home after paying part of a $750 a week rent in a shared house - none of them could afford the rent - all low income earners but a big house
we asked him to come home as I resent this heartless & capitalistic rental game
Quote from: 'Basil' pid='54787' dateline='1405466700'the Chinese are running our economy at the moment,they are destroying our manufacturing
The emerging nations are throwing up stiff competition no doubt, but we ourselves in some instances have to accept a certain amount of blame for our manufacturing sutuation. IMHO for a long time we have been going down the crazy utopian path of doing less for more, of course we can't compete doing that. Over the top legislation by governments don't help much either, you only have a look at the industrial safety legislation pushed through by the previous government to understand their ideals don't fit in with common sense management. Companies are now compelled to direct ridiculous amounts of resorces at the safety management issue, and it's all about jumping through hoops in order to cover backsides, nothing to do with safety. The biggest cause of injury in the work place is poor training, and stems from another utopian load of crap thinking that we can bring people off the street and train them up in a fraction of the time as was necessary in past decades. Who in the end pays for all this waste? The end user, we us and co. IMHO polititians seeking utopia don't appreciate or care about the consequences of their actions. They appear to me to deliberately sabotage certain sections of our economy in order to engineer a particular ideal, whether that be in favour of other sections of industry or foriegn expectations I don't know. And what happened to the old thinking, " a fair days work for a fair days pay ". This is way off topic, Im gone :dead_horse:
ha ha
it gets you in!!
I fell for it too - very emotive topics
so I'm gone as well!!! :heart:
Hello,
I was not trying to be " sexist ", but in the days gone by that was the traditional sort of family Dad was the authority figure, and Mum ran the house. I am thinking out loud about the decline in traditional family values. Things I would never have dared to do as a Kid, common now. Some of the programs on TV, show the sort of Idiot that are now " Breeding " and I wonder about the future when these People take rather than contribute to society. It wont be a nice place, and gated communities will become the norm.
Article link attached:
http://www.theguardian.com/education/2009/mar/17/ephebiphobia-young-people-mosquito
We live in a decaying age. Young people no longer respect their parents. They are rude and impatient. They frequently inhabit taverns and have no self-control." These words - expressing the all-too-familiar contemporary condemnation of young people - were actually inscribed on a 6,000-year-old Egyptian tomb.
Later, in the fourth century BC, Plato was heard to remark: "What is happening to our young people? They disrespect their elders, they disobey their parents. They ignore the law. They riot in the streets, inflamed with wild notions. Their morals are decaying. What is to become of them?"
And then, a few hundred years later, in AD1274, Peter the Hermit joined the chorus. "The young people of today think of nothing but themselves. They have no reverence for parents or old age. They are impatient of all restraint ... As for the girls, they are forward, immodest and unladylike in speech, behaviour and dress."
Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
(The more things change, the more they stay the same.)
Hello,
All points taken, but Drugs that fry their Brains are far more common. Gangs have always been around, but now they seem to not just feud with each other. The punishments handed down by the Courts are far less than they used to be. Less of a deterrent and Jail is not a place they would dread to go. Crims are let off too easy, I remember a Cop telling me he would like to give the thieves the address of the judge's. Once they become a victim they may sentence harder. Many Girls now cut themselves, didnt hear about it in my day. Our society is changing, I know why many want to live on an Island or a remote area and avoid others altogether.
Chris,
I think you might need to think about my post about police being exposed to and seeing/thinking the worst of society.
I think the words "didn't hear about it" are key. Not hearing about it does not mean bad/self destructive behaviour was not around.