I noticed this on Ebay,only interested for future reference,it seems to have a 1919 type dot over the top scroll but slightly off centre,i don't think i've seen this before.Thoughts ?.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/SCARCE-1920-ONE-DOT-OVER-TOP-SCROLL-4-PEARLS-PLUS-2-FUSED-VF-XF-75-B-/121376057078?pt=AU_Coins2&hash=item1c4293a6f6&_uhb=1
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/__57today1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/__57today_obverse1.jpg)
There is no mark above the W so it isn't the Double Dot. The penny is off the 1st reverse hub and the 2nd Indian obverse hub and that scarce hub combination is known for 3 Dot Below die pairs. It also has a spur (dieclash between NN) and I reckon that this die pair has a faint cud below the Y. and a weak line through the denticles above ONWEAL (need to loupe the penny to be certain).
Looking at it on my computer,as best i can,i can't ever remember seeing a dot(if thats what it is) like that above the top scroll.Strange one,but i'm obviously no expert.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/__57todaydot.jpg)
The "dot" is probably just some random wear and tear PMD that resembles a dot. It would be significant if a matching second coin was ever found, but as it is I'm fairly confident that I know the die pair.
I thought that the 1920 dot above top scroll was more likely to have a very weakly struck right hand side of the scroll
this one is very nicely struck right side
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='53929' dateline='1404300323'I thought that the 1920 dot above top scroll was more likely to have a very weakly struck right hand side of the scroll
this one is very nicely struck right side
That is something I didn't know, I'll file that away for future reference.
you would know much more than me about the 1920 penny Neal
http://www.thesandpit.net/index.php?option=1920dat_penny
My problem is the dot seems too big and is not round but hard to see exactly what it is from the Pics.,resolution is not good enough too blow up.FWIW i have seen a similar dot over the top scroll on a 1919 Penny but at a loss with this coin.
there is a 1919 double dot that is a die chip dot
I have one
Emu can spot them at a 100 paces
Quote from: 'Basil' pid='53955' dateline='1404344934'My problem is the dot seems too big and is not round but hard to see exactly what it is from the Pics.,resolution is not good enough too blow up.FWIW i have seen a similar dot over the top scroll on a 1919 Penny but at a loss with this coin.
It's a pit in the die in an unfortunate position.
Known usually as the false dot over top scroll.
As Robbie has stated (via Emu & Dave) the scroll
is the dead givaway.
(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc462/joseywales10/1920penny_n_zps33254ef4.jpg)
Rough rule of thumb for low res images on ebay etc.
The 1920 dot above top scroll should have a dense rim on the reverse.
The above image is not the best but should give an idea of what to look for.
Once you have seen a few examples its not hard to spot.
There are a few rules of thumb I use.
It must have FBL lettering
It must not have a die clash (most double dots are clashed and most false DOTS are double dots)
It must not have reverse die cracks (the DOTS penny is in a minority in not having readily visible die markers, sometimes you might spot the last A mark)
The inner ring should have no deterioration
The obverse must have good rims
- and thanks to this forum I now know to look for the weakness in the top scroll.
Finally found one, not the best example but it was free.!!
(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o787/robster836/007_zps8c43e8d6.jpg)
That one is actually a bit better than average