Are there any truly rare Decimal coins ?
In my opinion the only rare ones are the super high grade examples more than the low mintage coins.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='53645' dateline='1403948444'Are there any truly rare Decimal coins ?
In my opinion the only rare ones are the super high grade examples more than the low mintage coins.
1969 specimen 50c the famous Yarralumla PNC one
Quote from: 'trout' pid='53645' dateline='1403948444'Are there any truly rare Decimal coins ?
In my opinion the only rare ones are the super high grade examples more than the low mintage coins.
I don't believe any deliberately released decimal coins are rare. The lowest mintage decimal coins would be various coins out of the gold proof sets. And the 1c and 2c coins from the heritage set. Then there's the truly rare things like patterns, mules (like the 1977 COA rather than the 2000 $1/10c), and weird errors like the bi-metal 20c and $1.
Quote1969 specimen 50c the famous Yarralumla PNC one
With 2000 specimen coins minted for this year the coin itself is NOT rare , the packaging is.
I you took one of these out of the packaging now it would be barely recognizable as a specimen coin and would look just like the other 14 million coins minted that year for circulation.
I would think a 1969 50 cent graded at MS70 would be a far rarer coin .
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='53646' dateline='1403948993'Quote from: 'trout' pid='53645' dateline='1403948444'Are there any truly rare Decimal coins ?
In my opinion the only rare ones are the super high grade examples more than the low mintage coins.
1969 specimen 50c the famous Yarralumla PNC one
That's one I'd forgotten about. Certainly a LOT harder to get than most other decimals. There's the 1966 Perth 1c too but that's more of a conditional rarity.
Would anyone seriously pay $1500 for a coin in this Sad state ?
Without the envelope this would be worth 50 cents :ok:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Nuphil-Nu27-PNC-Australia-1969-50c-Coin-1st-Day-Issue-Yarralumla-50-cent-coin-/171357215760?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item27e5af9c10
Quote from: 'trout' pid='53651' dateline='1403950453'Would anyone seriously pay $1500 for a coin in this Sad state ?
Without the envelope this would be worth 50 cents :ok:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Nuphil-Nu27-PNC-Australia-1969-50c-Coin-1st-Day-Issue-Yarralumla-50-cent-coin-/171357215760?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item27e5af9c10
Still worth $300 or so without the envelope. It's far more scarce than a VC dollar, or the VC $10 coin, or a 2000 mule for that matter.
QuoteStill worth $300 or so without the envelope. It's far more scarce than a VC dollar, or the VC $10 coin, or a 2000 mule for that matter.
Looks like there is a heap of environmental damage on that eBay coin.
How could you tell that it was a "Specimen" coin from a circulating coin "In Hand" ?
The 50 cent coin I would consider as rare would be the 1988 trial pattern Parliament House coin
o dude I hear these were rare ones
1983 -84 platypus mint and proof set
1985 20c platypus - low mintage
1986 - 1992 platypus mint and proof set only
1995 20c platypus - mint and proof sets
2003 20c platypus - not made don't wet yourself
wavy 20c
2005 50c coat of arms - pnc only
$1 mule
the dollar mule website has pretty pics >> haven't been over there for a long time will have to have a nice looksee
http://dollarmule.com.au/index.html
I this is sooo cool
(http://dollarmule.com.au/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/CourtesyofPeterAnderson.jpg)
when you have the two issues side by side - the yarraluma coin looks very different to the other business strike
That scalloped 20 cents would defiantly get a Guernsey as being a rare decimal coin :good:
I think that misstrikes or error planchets are another category for rarity?
>>http://www.australian-threepence.com/blog/2010/02/exciting-new-australian-dollar-coin-discovery.html
wrong planchet
(http://www.australian-threepence.com/images/venez-mor.jpg)
there was a cool 2002 50c windmill design on a wrong planchet but cant find the pic, I know it was on SS, but for the life of me cant remember where
I might have to look up the definitions, but to me a unique/one off examples like the bimetal $1 above does not qualify as "rare".
To me "rare" means that there are multiples, but they are hard to get hold of.
If you were to categorise a "complete" collection, the unique coins could not be part of it as no one can realistically hope to get hold of them.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='53648' dateline='1403949135'Quote from: 'trout' pid='53645' dateline='1403948444'Are there any truly rare Decimal coins ?
In my opinion the only rare ones are the super high grade examples more than the low mintage coins.
I don't believe any deliberately released decimal coins are rare. The lowest mintage decimal coins would be various coins out of the gold proof sets. And the 1c and 2c coins from the heritage set. Then there's the truly rare things like patterns, mules (like the 1977 COA rather than the 2000 $1/10c), and weird errors like the bi-metal 20c and $1.
Are the Heritage sets listed in the catalogs yet ?
I've seen a set come up every now and then on eBay. Last one sold for around $1300 I think, and @ $2100 one went unsold.
Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='53707' dateline='1404018952'Are the Heritage sets listed in the catalogs yet ?
I've seen a set come up every now and then on eBay. Last one sold for around $1300 I think, and @ $2100 one went unsold.
We couldn't find it in Maccas and haven't looked in Renniks.
We have covered a bit of ground on "Rare" Decimals , How about Scarce decimals :ok:
The 2000 mule comes to mind along with the wavy 20 , These are difficult to get but certainly not impossible.
I should have added another category called "Pain in the Bum" this would cover all the coins only available in mint sets, These are neither Rare nor Scarce it just involves buying a whole set of coins just to get the odd coin NOT issued for circulation.
As many collectors get their coins via noodling these Mint set coins are only available as a set or via eBay etc.
I would think the multitude of portable press $1 coins over the last few years fall into this "Pain In the Bum" category as well :angel::dodgy:
Quote from: 'Australian coin' pid='53655' dateline='1403951528'o dude I hear these were rare ones
1983 -84 platypus mint and proof set
1985 20c platypus - low mintage
1986 - 1992 platypus mint and proof set only
1995 20c platypus - mint and proof sets
2003 20c platypus - not made don't wet yourself
wavy 20c
2005 50c coat of arms - pnc only
$1 mule
the dollar mule website has pretty pics >> haven't been over there for a long time will have to have a nice looksee
http://dollarmule.com.au/index.html
I this is sooo cool
(http://dollarmule.com.au/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/CourtesyofPeterAnderson.jpg)
If you like, I'll bring it along to Melbourne ANDA and show it to you.
How about the 2005 MOR Proof one dollar?
Quote from: 'interest' pid='54128' dateline='1404605723'How about the 2005 MOR Proof one dollar?
That's a good one. Any estimates as to the mintage of that?
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='54101' dateline='1404591425'If you like, I'll bring it along to Melbourne ANDA and show it to you.
If I get down there, I'd be keen to see this one as well :)
ooo me like'E would love to see the coin :)
Me too although I have seen only one ion the past.
If we can all make arrangements to meet at the Melbourne ANDA show at a given time and day, then we all can show our errors to one another.
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='54162' dateline='1404617641'Me too although I have seen only one ion the past.
If we can all make arrangements to meet at the Melbourne ANDA show at a given time and day, then we all can show our errors to one another.
That was the one.
2014 MOR - I MILLION!!
a $1000 COIN!
1992 mor (?) AT $900? WITH 800,000 MINTED?
What is this 2014 MOR potentially worth?
Catchem while you can!
You heard it first here!
Quote from: 'SULLA' pid='54294' dateline='1404882917'1992 mor (?) AT $900? WITH 800,000 MINTED?
This is a trick question - right?:shock:
Quote from: 'markn' pid='54129' dateline='1404605771'Quote from: 'interest' pid='54128' dateline='1404605723'How about the 2005 MOR Proof one dollar?
That's a good one. Any estimates as to the mintage of that?
The general consensus at the time was that there were no more than 40
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Quote from: 'SULLA' pid='54294' dateline='1404882917'2014 MOR - I MILLION!!
a $1000 COIN!
1992 mor (?) AT $900? WITH 800,000 MINTED?
What is this 2014 MOR potentially worth?
Catchem while you can!
You heard it first here!
Anyone here ever seen a 1992 MOR??
Please post photo of the one you have.
More than just I would like to see proof of their existence.
I love the scallop 20c and the unique bi-metal 2009 $1
No such thing as a 1992 MOR it's an error only in Catalogues
2014 MOR $1 rolls ... not rare ... unless you're selling them hey SULLA
QuoteAnyone here ever seen a 1992 MOR??
Please post photo of the one you have.
More than just I would like to see proof of their existence.
me too
Error on RAM web site too?
... and BTW this 2014 MOR has been produced to celebrate the 30th anniversary of the $1 MOR where around 180m+ were produced.
5000 rolls only but no doubt the coins will show up at a bank near you.
With only 5000 "official RAM rolls" being made available, they will soon become very "tough" to acquire. Lots on eBay at the moment.
I suspect there will be "bags" and "rolls" made available through usual sources for the remaining 900K coins.
A 1m MOR!
WOOF!
This is very exciting stuff.
WOW!!
Removed by the author only because I can't delete an entry.
Quote5000 "official RAM rolls" being made available
With these sorts of numbers these rolls are Definitely NOT Rare Neither do they fall under the Scarce category :ok:
The major dealers are selling these at About $36 per roll at the moment, I pity those silly buggers that paid nearly $100 for these initially.
BTW there IS already a thread concerning these rolls :angel:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='54333' dateline='1404986413'Quote5000 "official RAM rolls" being made available
With these sorts of numbers these rolls are Definitely NOT Rare Neither do they fall under the Scarce category :ok:
The major dealers are selling these at About $36 per roll at the moment, I pity those silly buggers that paid nearly $100 for these initially.
BTW there IS already a thread concerning these rolls :angel:
$100 per roll = $5 per coin.
In a few years time $5 per coin may look rather cheap.
QuoteIn a few years time $5 per coin may look rather cheap.
When the other (Non Mint) rolls hit the banks $1 a coin may seem a far better bargain :)
Quote from: 'trout' pid='54337' dateline='1404987550'QuoteIn a few years time $5 per coin may look rather cheap.
When the other (Non Mint) rolls hit the banks $1 a coin may seem a far better bargain :)
I had considered making some coins available to needy forum members. Given the negative reactions I have seen, I will not do so.
speaking of needy members
I think that I owe you half a dozen favour returns
I can just never think if what i'd have that you don't have !
your spontaneous coin friendship, sharing of knowledge & generosity has always been appreciated by the kitty Emu - even if you didn't pm to catch up when we were in Melbourne last week :cray: - all is forgiven - maybe next time!
Anyone have a 2000 mor roll they would like to swap? Its a higher mintage after all. Looking mainly at the people who don't see the potential of the 2014 mint rolls
Yes the market has just been flooded for a whole 48 hrs in which it sold out. Regardless of this and the low mintage I will pay twice face on anything in a mint ram roll for long term storage
These have got to be better value than a roll of $1 MOR 2014
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/161352774595?
see! 40 yrs later and the coin roll is worth a short cruise. 40 of them is worth a car. and the 20c 1971 has a higher mintage!!!
I will only be 70 then! better than super imho
There are a Million 2014 Ali/Bronze MOR coins available But only 1000 of these MOR coins.
This one will be going to AC, I thin Kim will like this one :)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/2014proofmor.jpg)
Quote from: 'serial' pid='54353' dateline='1404991165'Anyone have a 2000 mor roll they would like to swap? Its a higher mintage after all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A5t5_O8hdA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A5t5_O8hdA)
ooooo pretty me like"E
Quote from: 'Australian coin' pid='54371' dateline='1404998372'ooooo pretty me like"E
It does look pretty "Swish" and after what you have just been through little mate , You Deserve it :yahoo:
I am Autistic so it shouldn't come as a surprise that I don't actually know what you mean by that Unicorn.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='54337' dateline='1404987550'QuoteIn a few years time $5 per coin may look rather cheap.
When the other (Non Mint) rolls hit the banks $1 a coin may seem a far better bargain :)
Whether one buys at a dollar or at $1.82 will be irrelevant when the coin hits a hundred plus.
This 2014 MOR dollar is a setup by the RAM and they are well aware that it will go to the moon.
Looks like only NSW dealers have the rolls based on a meeting with RAM on 26th June.
Prospect Coins have them at $45 and Downies at $36.50.
Other dealers are playing on eBay average price is probably aound $65-70 with some going for much higher prices.
This coin is a real bargain even at $10 per coin.
As for the comments re 5000 rolls supplied by the RAM - Divide 5000 by 23,000,000 and tell me how many Australians can own a roll on average.
Is that rare? Is that scarce?
I believe it is not the RAM rolling these coins but a third party as most recently the RAM was sourcing out the rolling of their coins.
(FWIW the answer is 0.00021739 Australians can own one of these Mint released rolls.)
This is rare; this is scarce and this will become the most sought after decimal coin ever released so far.
Make an effort to acquire these rolls/coins and you and or your heirs will be rewarded many times over.
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='54362' dateline='1404992851'These have got to be better value than a roll of $1 MOR 2014
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/161352774595?
$680 better value than $36.50??
LOL!!
In 43 years time the 2014 MOR coin will be worth $10K or more.
The romanticism of 2000 roll MOR is that there may be a Mule contained therein.
Give the 2014 MOR roll a year or two and it will exceed the asking price of the 2000 MOR, which is currently around $50 per coin.
ONE MILLION COIN PRODUCTION FOR A CIRCULATED COIN!!!???
Even the 2011 (M=1.8m) $2 std already sells on eBay in a well circulated condition for over $20.
This makes no sense to me....
You are saying this coin is more desirable/valuable tgan a dollar mule?
How many 1985 50c were made and what are they worth nearly 30 years later?
A quick search finds a roll recently sold for $202 not bad after only 25 years and a coin found in mint sets now let's look at the 1968 2 cent rolls they sell for over $1k if you can find one.
I agree with sulla that this is a marketing ploy by ram. Create a new "monster" collectable coin like the mule then hope that the ensuing publicity it gets in the following years ignites a new rush to coin collecting. Cash in on the new blood entering the market trying to get in on the next 2014 mor by selling them " low mintage" stuff like they do now. I see ram rolls making a comeback soon
QuoteHow many 1985 50c were made and what are they worth nearly 30 years later?
Mintage of 30,000 and a coin in this condition MS66 Is still only valued at $70.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/2005_50c1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/2005_50c~1.jpg)
The 2014 MOR is a far more common coin and with 5000 rolls of 20 coins Minimum there will be a plethora of high grade coins available.
QuoteThis is rare; this is scarce and this will become the most sought after decimal coin ever released so far.
This statement is simply absurd :ok:
Quote from: 'SULLA' pid='54388' dateline='1405046586'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='54362' dateline='1404992851'These have got to be better value than a roll of $1 MOR 2014
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/161352774595?
$680 better value than $36.50??
LOL!!
These 20 cent coins are potentially worth $400 each and probably at least $80 each on average so $680 is a bargain IMO but at this stage we dont really know what collectors will pay for the 2014 MOR $1 once the initial frenzy is finished
I think that the truth lies somewhere south of what Sulla and Serial would like us to believe (given that they are both proven roll hoarders I'd hardly call them un-biased). That being said I am sure if you can get them at the right price and you're willing to sit on them for a while you may well do better than bank interest.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='54391' dateline='1405051253'QuoteHow many 1985 50c were made and what are they worth nearly 30 years later?
Mintage of 30,000 and a coin in this condition MS66 Is still only valued at $70.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/2005_50c1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/2005_50c~1.jpg)
The 2014 MOR is a far more common coin and with 5000 rolls of 20 coins Minimum there will be a plethora of high grade coins available.
QuoteThis is rare; this is scarce and this will become the most sought after decimal coin ever released so far.
This statement is simply absurd :ok:
What exactly has a MINTAGE of only 30,000 fish?
WOOHOOO!!
100 POSTS BY ME!
WHO WOULD HAVE THUNK IT!!
:)
Quote from: 'SULLA' pid='54397' dateline='1405053207'What exactly has a MINTAGE of only 30,000 fish?
The 2005 COA 50c.
Bad example anyway trout, 30,000 for an NCLT coin like this is a HUGE mintage. A 1,000,000 mintage circulation coin is likely to be far scarcer in GEM than an NCLT coin with a mintage of 30,000. That being said, the fact that RAM rolls exist for the 2014 MOR dollars makes it more likely that there'll be more gem coins around.
Quote from: 'serial' pid='54383' dateline='1405041955'I am Autistic so it shouldn't come as a surprise that I don't actually know what you mean by that Unicorn.
I meant purely what was said in the clip ......which was ..... light heartedly ........ "surely you can't be serious".
I referred that to your comment about you wanting to swap one of your 2014 MOR rolls for someone else's 2000 MOR roll.
My congratulations go out to you as there is no way one would assume you have Autism by your clear and concise ability to express yourself in written communication.
Oh I get it now that's funny. Good movie BTW :)
Written is easy. I am able to re read what I am saying and take my time to say things the right way. Verbal is hard. I am constantly washing the taste of my foot out of my mouth. Hence why I don't really meet up with people at attend collecting event. I get uncomfortable and anxious
I prefer to keep to my self
Quote from: 'markn' pid='54399' dateline='1405053921'Quote from: 'SULLA' pid='54397' dateline='1405053207'What exactly has a MINTAGE of only 30,000 fish?
The 2005 COA 50c.
Bad example anyway trout, 30,000 for an NCLT coin like this is a HUGE mintage. A 1,000,000 mintage circulation coin is likely to be far scarcer in GEM than an NCLT coin with a mintage of 30,000. That being said, the fact that RAM rolls exist for the 2014 MOR dollars makes it more likely that there'll be more gem coins around.
That is an interesting point of view but is at variance with my observations.
Rolled (or bagged) 2011, 2013 and 2014 Anzac dollar coins are very rarely gem quality. [Most of the bagging to the coins occurs during the production itself, less during the transportation phase]. The average quality is most heavily influenced by the production rate.
Out of 4000 Anzac dollar coins I examined, I selected just 30 that I thought would make MS65 (they are away on holidays now). Out of 500 2011 dollars I sent 20 but not that many will make MS65 (this is the advantage of a bulk submission). I had ten bags (200 coins) of 2013 dollars and I do not think any would grade as MS65 so none have been sent over.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='54403' dateline='1405057668'Out of 4000 Anzac dollar coins I examined, I selected just 30 that I thought would make MS65 (they are away on holidays now). Out of 500 2011 dollars I sent 20 but not that many will make MS65 (this is the advantage of a bulk submission). I had ten bags (200 coins) of 2013 dollars and I do not think any would grade as MS65 so none have been sent over.
Given that the 2014 rolls are rolled at the RAM there's an entire stage of material handling missing (RAM to security company) plus given that they are all H/T I assume they are done with a reasonable amount of care. I'd like to think that the coins coming out of those are going to be a better than the coins I know you get out of security rolls and bags. No doubt you'll know soon enough when you get your hands on some rolls.
You missed this bit:
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Most of the bagging to the coins occurs during the production itself, less during the transportation phase]. The average quality is most heavily influenced by the production rate.
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Quote from: 'emu666' pid='54405' dateline='1405058141'You missed this bit:
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Most of the bagging to the coins occurs during the production itself, less during the transportation phase]. The average quality is most heavily influenced by the production rate.
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I did miss it. How do you know that? Feeding them into drums, out of drums and putting them through rolling machines cannot be good either.
They are called bag marks for a reason. The most damage that occurs is being transported loose in bags/drums to the banks.
Anything after that is circulation damage. So we are now focussing on what will produce the gem coins. Security or ram rolls. I would have thought this obvious
OK you all know everything
I refuse to waste my time with the maganement or members of this forum any more
hhmm someone needs a snickers
the whole point of a forum is to share differing opinions to try to learn more.
don't spit the dummy, in the end you opinion is your own and no one can force you to change.
instead try to look at things from other peoples point of view and see if there is merit in their argument.
then form your opinion, you can still continue to call them idiots in your own mind but I wouldn't introduce that into a discussion.
this is how I try to look at things
Quote from: 'serial' pid='54411' dateline='1405060664'hhmm someone needs a snickers
the whole point of a forum is to share differing opinions to try to learn more.
don't spit the dummy, in the end you opinion is your own and no one can force you to change.
instead try to look at things from other peoples point of view and see if there is merit in their argument.
then form your opinion, you can still continue to call them idiots in your own mind but I wouldn't introduce that into a discussion.
this is how I try to look at things
OMG, you mean emu is Alf Stewart?
Peter needs to take a break to Summer Bay (I don't know how anybody lives in Victoria in July,frigid Melbourne would turn anyone into a cranky bugger)
QuoteI refuse to waste my time with the maganement or members of this forum any more
Oh dear I think somebody needs a HUG :angel:
I can see where Feathers is coming from with the circulation issue coins.
They are treated rather badly when they come off the press and are damned hard to find in high MS state regardless of how they are distributed (Bags, Rolls Bulk bags ) because very little care is taken to preserve the coins integrity at the minting stage.
Proof , NCLT and up to a point Mint set coins are treated far better.
That having been said the coin I received from AC should make MS65 and will be sent away with my Silver proofs.
Feathers selects coins to send away to be graded as part of his job and is rather good at it and people that want to tell him how to "Suck Eggs "really irritate him :ok:
We can get back on topic now. Peter is a damn fine grader, numismatist and knows what he's doing when it comes to picking a top grade coin. This is not about the discussion in this thread. Lets move on.
QuotePeter is a damn fine grader, numismatist and knows what he's doing when it comes to picking a top grade coin
:agreed:
The grade of the decimal coins ARE what will make them rare and separate them from the others.
ANY MS/PR 70 Decimal coin IMHO is as rare as hens teeth, Regardless of the mintage's .
If emu666 is leaving us then this forum is losing a very knowledgeable numismatist. I trust that he will come back and stay with us. We all have different opinions on anything and everything but that shouldn't cause concern and make people leave the discussion group that I find that this forum is.
Now back to the original topic: I would dearly love to open the two rolls I have here but I am not game enough too. I shall have to wait a while until I get my single coins to be examined in hand.
QuoteI would dearly love to open the two rolls I have here but I am not game enough too. I shall have to wait a while until I get my single coins to be examined in hand.
I strongly suggest you get a range of MOR coins in grades MS65 to MS69 as a reference so that you can judge for yourself the grades of your own coins.
These are available at budget prices IF you look for the cheap years :ok:
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='54403' dateline='1405057668'Rolled (or bagged) 2011, 2013 and 2014 Anzac dollar coins are very rarely gem quality. [Most of the bagging to the coins occurs during the production itself, less during the transportation phase]. The average quality is most heavily influenced by the production rate.
I think that this is what Emu is talking about
http://youtu.be/hqyWbyr8ZOc
ps that last store room/ lift below is where they had the basement session with Paul mc Dermot this year - it was VERY cool
wow nice link robbiegirl! thanks a heap for that, I hadn't seen that before
and emu I hope you took my message the right way, I was simply trying to express my opinion on the matter based on what I have seen within the banking system and the total disregard that they have for coins. I thought no one could treat coins worse than them. that vid that Robbie linked has changed my mind on that a bit!!!
however at what point in the manufacture do you think ram remove the coins for rolling?
out of the drums i'd presume
they'd have the weight numbers and then go for it
or as PP and I saw on the RAM minting room tour they could be taken from the big square containers that look like fruit shop pallet sized boxes
I am not aware of the RAM here in Canberra having rolling facilities on site though
others may know differently I am sure
here are some of the pics from the tour
titan was resting
blanks barrels
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a585/auntyrobbs/P3020005_zps8ca4e649.jpg)
struck coins
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a585/auntyrobbs/P3020004_zps6362ac83.jpg)
delicate (?) sorting tray
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a585/auntyrobbs/P3020010_zps78997f18.jpg)
$1 coins
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I think these were $2 coins
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a585/auntyrobbs/P3020011_zpsb171a732.jpg)
Thanks for that excellent link robbie. :good: Now I understand why the vast majority of brand new circulated coins look like they've been through a chaff cutter. Poor buggers don't stand a chance getting bashed around from pillar to post. :dontknow:
It's also obvious that there is a totally separate 'procedure' for coins that go into Mint Sets where at least a little care is taken etc.
I believe the coins are not rolled by or at the RAM. RAM subcontracted the rolling some years ago to an external source.
The wrappers are the same as used by a security company associated with TOLL.
As the RAM has not rolled for some time, I doubt they would re-establish a rolling facilty for only 5000 rolls.
I will find out more on Monday.
Quote from: 'SULLA' pid='54467' dateline='1405118840'I believe the coins are not rolled by or at the RAM. RAM subcontracted the rolling some years ago to an external source.
The wrappers are the same as used by a security company associated with TOLL.
As the RAM has not rolled for some time, I doubt they would re-establish a rolling facilty for only 5000 rolls.
I will find out more on Monday.
I thought the same as you but I (like you) was wrong. The RAM has already confirmed through at least two different mediums that they ARE rolling the coins themselves. Perhaps you should read the thread on this forum about the 2014 rolls.
ok will do
I missed that too
taking ppl advice here I just bought 5 of these at $45 a roll, wonder if I should go and buy more?? Today I say nah, but in years to come will I kick myself?????
Talk to me?
Quote from: 'Coins from Vending' pid='54515' dateline='1405169107'taking ppl advice here I just bought 5 of these at $45 a roll, wonder if I should go and buy more?? Today I say nah, but in years to come will I kick myself?????
Talk to me?
Yeah I bought a total of 5 rolls also and I think that's enough as I wouldn't like to put too much into 1 thing in case they don't do as well as predicted
So how many have we come up with?
That is Rare/Scarce Decimal coins?
Quote from: 'interest' pid='54518' dateline='1405170914'So how many have we come up with?
That is Rare/Scarce Decimal coins?
Looks like 2014 MOR dollar rolls at the mo :angel::blush: Just one comment though. These rolls are selling for $35 through some dealers.
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='54520' dateline='1405173606'Quote from: 'interest' pid='54518' dateline='1405170914'So how many have we come up with?
That is Rare/Scarce Decimal coins?
Looks like 2014 MOR dollar rolls at the mo :angel::blush: Just one comment though. These rolls are selling for $35 through some dealers.
NAH,, there not scarce or rare.
Pick them up any where for $35, how does make them scarce or rare?
Getting back to the 2005 Proof MOR with no more than 50 made,
THAT'S SCARCE & RARE.
Nobody has been able to beat that yet.
QuoteNAH,, there not scarce or rare.
Pick them up any where for $35, how does make them scarce or rare?
Getting back to the 2005 Proof MOR with no more than 50 made,
THAT'S SCARCE & RARE.
Nobody has been able to beat that yet.
UNC 1966 wavy 20's? Not too many of them around but not as hard as the 2005 proof MOR. UNC incuse 50's? Hard to find one of those.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='54528' dateline='1405204783'QuoteNAH,, there not scarce or rare.
Pick them up any where for $35, how does make them scarce or rare?
Getting back to the 2005 Proof MOR with no more than 50 made,
THAT'S SCARCE & RARE.
Nobody has been able to beat that yet.
UNC 1966 wavy 20's? Not too many of them around but not as hard as the 2005 proof MOR. UNC incuse 50's? Hard to find one of those.
:agreed:
Some of the scarce/common coins can become a "rarity" simply because of their state of preservation.
How many MS66 and above incused 50cent peices will have survived?
*posts moved -thanks guys*
The scalloped 20c Unico had for sale sold recently for just under 20k. (see Emu's example page 1 of this thread) They bought it out of Downies and had it graded by PCGS (MS-something).
would you consider the scallop a rare coin or rare error?
Quote from: 'serial' pid='54543' dateline='1405215304'would you consider the scallop a rare coin or rare error?
Both :)
Just playing devils advocate here, and thinking about some of the mint sport coins that attract sizable figures at auction. These are as close to fakes as you could get IMHO.
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='54547' dateline='1405215945'Just playing devils advocate here, and thinking about some of the mint sport coins that attract sizable figures at auction. These are as close to fakes as you could get IMHO.
I agree with you, especially with regard to the double obverse/reverse coins that are purported to be mint-sport. I'm pretty certain the scalloped 20's are real errors though rather than being sport. I'd LOVE to own one.
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='54547' dateline='1405215945'Just playing devils advocate here, and thinking about some of the mint sport coins that attract sizable figures at auction. These are as close to fakes as you could get IMHO.
By mint sports you mean foreign orders (coins made surreptitiously by mint staff and smuggled out to sell to collectors). If so then they are not fakes but illegal to own. Overseas collectors have had many such illegally obtained coins seized ( the US double eagle being the most famous example of this).
IIRC the federal police here have seized foreign orders from auctions and dealers. Anyone recall specific examples?
Quote from: 'markn' pid='54549' dateline='1405216209'I'm pretty certain the scalloped 20's are real errors though rather than being sport. I'd LOVE to own one.
Me too :drooling: Just wondering what they were selling for 12 years ago when I started to become serious about the hobby. At the risk of going off topic again ha ha EMU666 was one of my first contacts back them. Thanks Peter.
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='54551' dateline='1405216793'Quote from: 'markn' pid='54549' dateline='1405216209'I'm pretty certain the scalloped 20's are real errors though rather than being sport. I'd LOVE to own one.
Me too :drooling: Just wondering what they were selling for 12 years ago when I started to become serious about the hobby. At the risk of going off topic again ha ha EMU666 was one of my first contacts back them. Thanks Peter.
Mine too. I may be totally off-base but my memory of 7 or 8 years back was $5-6k for a scalloped 20 when one or two came onto the market in the early 2000's. Anyone who has held one for a decade or more is likely to do very well when they get rid of them. It'd be nice if emu666 would chime in here with his perceived change in value of this important coin as it's fairly well accepted that he knows as much about them as anyone.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='54470' dateline='1405120197'Quote from: 'SULLA' pid='54467' dateline='1405118840'I believe the coins are not rolled by or at the RAM. RAM subcontracted the rolling some years ago to an external source.
The wrappers are the same as used by a security company associated with TOLL.
As the RAM has not rolled for some time, I doubt they would re-establish a rolling facilty for only 5000 rolls.
I will find out more on Monday.
I thought the same as you but I (like you) was wrong. The RAM has already confirmed through at least two different mediums that they ARE rolling the coins themselves. Perhaps you should read the thread on this forum about the 2014 rolls.
Thank you markn.
I have searched the forum for "2014 rolls" but cannot find such a thread. Can you provide a link, please.
Many thanks.
Quote from: 'SULLA' pid='54555' dateline='1405218135'Thank you markn.
I have searched the forum for "2014 rolls" but cannot find such a thread. Can you provide a link, please.
Many thanks.
2014 MOR Mint Roll Thread (http://www.australian-coins.net/showthread.php?tid=2744&highlight=2014)
While we're on the topic of wrong-planchet decimals, did people see what the two 10c on 5c planchets went for in Downies? Nearly $3,000 each plus commish. And the 50c on a 20c planchet (which I thought was much nicer than either 10c errors) went for just over $2k plus commish. The prices for the 10c on 5c planchets were really suprising. Perhaps we need to start looking at this types of errors with a bit more respect.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='54556' dateline='1405218200'Quote from: 'SULLA' pid='54555' dateline='1405218135'Thank you markn.
I have searched the forum for "2014 rolls" but cannot find such a thread. Can you provide a link, please.
Many thanks.
2014 MOR Mint Roll Thread (http://www.australian-coins.net/showthread.php?tid=2744&highlight=2014)
Thanks Markn.
Got it.