2014 $20 roll of mob of roos
ok so I am getting back into coins when I am not in hospital and getting myself together, this roll was show to me, then it was opened
and I got to put coins in 2x2 with gloves, and purchased a few
something nice to look at >>
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10011/side_roll.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10011/_20_roll.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10011/roll_queen.jpg)
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ok here is opening the roll!
and a pic of a coin inside, I have so many pics so if you want more let me know
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10011/opening_roll.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10011/big_pic_roll_coin.jpg)
Very nice. That coin in the last pic looks like a good one.
Thanks for the pics AC.
I wonder why / when they decided to "roll their own" again?
Rather glad they did ...... sure beats rolling around in a 44 gal drum!
(Drum, roll your own ..... ok, best I could do).
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='53598' dateline='1403933890'Thanks for the pics AC.
I wonder why / when they decided to "roll their own" again?
Rather glad they did ...... sure beats rolling around in a 44 gal drum!
(Drum, roll your own ..... ok, best I could do).
Boom Tish.
there wasn't many rolls made, a few hundred, between Melbourne and Sydney.
number are unknown, someone said 200 rolls, and then heard 500
but there is expected to be 1 million in general circulation
knowing armguard they will hold onto them for a while before releasing them
these rolls were made just for dealers, to get on the good side after not getting a allocation of any Victoria cross ballot coins to them
they mint are not expected to go back into rolling coins again this was a one time thing
Wow AC!
Geez ..... I couldn't have cracked it!
PPSS: I know you didn't
so do you think these have potential to be $1k items one day?
that's only $50 a coin
nope, like all things I see a rush then it will level out
Quote from: 'serial' pid='53610' dateline='1403936973'so do you think these have potential to be $1k items one day?
that's only $50 a coin
If they go like almost every other decimal that has actually increased in value over issue then you'll see all the value increase in the first few weeks or perhaps a month because of the shark like feeding frenzy of profiteers. Once the chance of an easy buck disappears the heat will drop out of the market and those left holding the "baby" will be unwilling to sell them for less than the exorbitant prices they paid for them. From that time they'll stay flat and eventually drop backwards when people realise they've made a dud "investment". I give you the VC dollar and the 2007 Ashes PNC's, and World Heritage PNC as examples.
Quoteso do you think these have potential to be $1k items one day?
that's only $50 a coin
With a mintage of 1,000,000 they will be scarce NOT rare.
I think the Silver proof 25mm MOR coins have a far better chance of becoming the Rarities in the future along with some of the other low mintage silver proofs.
The rarity will be in the 20 coin ROLLS in mint condition and not the individual coin.
I received mine basically at face value and I shall be holding on to them for quite a while.
If, in years to come I am still alive and need money then I might consider selling off some of these "later rarities" to help the funds to live on.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='53612' dateline='1403937598'From that time they'll stay flat and eventually drop backwards when people realise they've made a dud "investment".
I would concur regarding the loose coins, definitely. However the rolls are significant, as they are the last of the RAM rolls, at least for now.
I see them being cracked open for stag profits, as loose coins will sell for more than rolls in the short term. Then when the million hit the streets, it will be too late to go back, and the few remaining should hold their value nicely.
This is completely off topic, but I don't think that any decimal collectable coin deliberately released by the mint will ever be "rare". Can you name more than 2 or 3 supposedly "rare" or "scarce" decimal collectables that you can't just go and buy right now? The only one that springs immediately to mind to me is the heritage set.
I will not disagree with your comments markn but you are hinting at the heritage set, that is more than one coin. I think I could name that the 2013 "M" Counterstamp 50c piece would be scarce to rare and couldn't be secured at the moment. (From the World Stamp and Coin Expo here in Melbourne last year). Considering less than 7,500 were made.
I think the discussion here is about a single coin, namely the 2014 Kangaroo coin. Although the coin may not become valuable in years to come but I am sure a RAM Roll of them will become valuable.
It has already been stated that these RAM rolls are a one off and how long ago did the RAM cease to produce Rolled coin?
I will come back in 20 years time and try and prove what I have said above. Hehehe
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='53635' dateline='1403945234'I will not disagree with your comments markn but you are hinting at the heritage set, that is more than one coin. I think I could name that the 2013 "M" Counterstamp 50c piece would be scarce to rare and couldn't be secured at the moment. (From the World Stamp and Coin Expo here in Melbourne last year). Considering less than 7,500 were made.
Not rare at all. There's at least two on eBay right now. So if I wanted one I could have one. And the prices are LESS than what the prices were within a week after the stamp expo.
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='53635' dateline='1403945234'I think the discussion here is about a single coin, namely the 2014 Kangaroo coin. Although the coin may not become valuable in years to come but I am sure a RAM Roll of them will become valuable.
It has already been stated that these RAM rolls are a one off and how long ago did the RAM cease to produce Rolled coin?
Uh. 2011? They did 3 different coins in rolls in 2011 I think. Not exactly ancient history.
there is nothing on that roll to denote that the RAM made it
the other RAM rolls have RAM all over them
I find the story about sweetening up the dealers to maybe be a wee bit of a story to add to the scarcity myth
the dealers aren't ever allocated the ballot coins - to my knowledge anyways
actually Robbie, in all previous year the spare ballot coins had been passed onto dealers, I talk to and buy from several dealers and this has always been the case
see the mint is a business and they don't want to hold onto stock, so they would pass them onto dealers, see the longer they hold a coin the more chance that they could get stuck with it and with base metal prices always changing they might loose money if the market crashed, they are in it for a profit after all.
now circulating coins are produce for the country, the government orders them - thus the mint don't loose money on that, they know that they have to produce so many coin ahead of time
but collector coins well that's a different story, the mint has to decide, do they set a mintage and expect to sell that number, or do they mint to order, some things like say a yearly set - well they know how many they sold last year so that's the target to bet next year.
will the majority of coins having some amount of mintage, the money maker coins are the unique coins, like mistakes and errors or anything out of the ordinary
I talked to a dealer and they attended a meeting BY THE ROYAL AUSTRALIA MINT just for dealers a few days ago, that's how they were able to purchase the rolls, and they had to stay for the whole meeting for that, and most people left. I don't know if the mint used a "special machine to roll the coins or not" or got someone else to do that, since I thought that the mint were not using the rolling machine anymore
anyway, I wasn't at the meeting so I cant be 100% sure
but yeah from the word going around that seems to be the gist
thanks
I always thought that the dealers don't get the sweet deals on the ballot coins
how slack is that?
sometimes the more I know about this game the crankier I get
they probably get chubb or one of those mobs to roll the coins
I also never knew that Goldie is a dealer ... there ya go!!
i'll just crawl back under my rock!! ha ha
I can't see why RAM couldn't have made these rolls available to Collectors instead of handing them out to the dealers so that they could have a feeding frenzy at the expense of the collectors.
Also some of the sellers on eBay have sold multiples of the Vic Cross copper coin, It makes me wonder how they acquired more than one of these as they are supposed to be a one only ballot item.:dodgy:
Quotesometimes the more I know about this game the crankier I get
There are many instances over the last few years that leave a nasty taste in my mouth as well RG.
Quotei'll just crawl back under my rock!! ha ha
WHY?
We are not the ones living under rocks Mate :ok:
Maybe the rolls are like those little gift bags that they give out as say for example, a fashion show expo. The attendees get something special and they can do with it what they want.
So - we are talking money here!! so - money gifts it is.
Which begs the question ... did the dealers get them for free??? highly unlikely I am sure!! Anyways, if they are unique the collectors will be as you suggested in a frenzy with excitement at the rare chance of owning one !!!
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='53675' dateline='1403993687'I also never knew that Goldie is a dealer ... there ya go!!
i'll just crawl back under my rock!! ha ha
I suspect Goldy got them off of a dealer in Melbourne. Peter Strich perhaps? He's mentioned getting things off of him before.
shh don't tell people! don't give away all my contact's
Quote from: 'Australian coin' pid='53700' dateline='1404011621'shh don't tell people! don't give away all my contact's
I very much doubt it's much of a secret that Peter Strich is a coin dealer in Melbourne.
ha ha
I was in Melbourne this last week but was at a work conference so I didn't get to do my usual pilgrimage to the wonderful Peter.
Darn it! I might have picked up a $1 roll as well as my usual quota of multiples of the 1964 penny!!
A little birdie told me they weren't for free they paid $29 or $29.96 for them.
Quote from: 'jozk123' pid='53728' dateline='1404079143'A little birdie told me they weren't for free they paid $29 or $29.95 per roll.
I imagine that once the rest of these coins are released into circulation it wont take too long before someone gets hold of some mint wrappers and rolls their own from bulk bags :angel:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='53729' dateline='1404079765'........ it wont take too long before someone gets hold of some mint wrappers and rolls their own from bulk bags :angel:
I'm ready to roll Troutski!
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11067/mintie.jpg)
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AWSOME
Scratch and sniff mint rolls :yahoo:
Love it Unicorn! :)
Sorry I can't help myself
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='53736' dateline='1404081754'Quote from: 'trout' pid='53729' dateline='1404079765'........ it wont take too long before someone gets hold of some mint wrappers and rolls their own from bulk bags :angel:
I'm ready to roll Troutski!
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11067/mintie.jpg)
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(http://www.australian-threepence.com/images/MintMints.jpg)
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:laugh2: ..... Love them PPH!
If anyone that has these rolls & is going to open them ? , i would be interested in a couple of coins "please" .
Quote from: 'accumulator' pid='53756' dateline='1404097399'If anyone that has these rolls & is going to open them ? , i would be interested in a couple of coins "please" .
No way!
The only thing that makes them special is the fact they're in rolls. Loose ones will be around a-plenty later in the year.
Can I suggest that you contact Peter Strich and see if he has any loose ones.......
yes I would wait a little while, they will pop up on ebay soon enough from security rolls. the paper wrapping these "ram" rolls will be worth more than the coins.
on that note can anyone suggest a good storage method for these rolls?
eBay is "Alive " with these coins and rolls, Looks like the feeding frenzy is well underway :angel:
Quote from: 'serial' pid='53763' dateline='1404107341'yes I would wait a little while, they will pop up on ebay soon enough from security rolls. the paper wrapping these "ram" rolls will be worth more than the coins.
on that note can anyone suggest a good storage method for these rolls?
Ziplock polyethylene food grade bags would be good.
I wrap my rolls in the archival material cellophane bags - crunchy but does the job nicely
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='53760' dateline='1404097914'Loose ones will be around a-plenty later in the year.
I'm not so sure there will be any others. Given that the RAM has made 23m of the 2014 ANZAC coins, how likely is it that there'll be any more 2014 $1 MOR coins? I reckon it's pretty unlikely, but that's just
my opinion. :angel:
Quote from: 'serial' pid='53763' dateline='1404107341'can anyone suggest a good storage method for these rolls?
Heat seal them into bank bags. I will be talking about this very topic at MNS in a couple weeks, and might take some piccies documenting exactly how I do them. Here's the pics I previously posted of the homebrew $2 rolls... http://fulvio.jovianprojects.com.au/coins/130815.RollSealing640/
Quote from: 'Nevol' pid='53774' dateline='1404110727'I'm not so sure there will be any others.
RAM quoted mintage is 1m.
I was hoping for a solid storage solution like a plastic, acid/pvc free case if some sort.
I truly believe these will be the "1992 Olympic women in sport" item of 2014. worth more because of the case it is in, in this case mint roll
http://www.australian-threepence.com/blog/2009/11/australian-dollar-coins-1992-barcelona.html
http://www.air-tites.com/coin_tubes.htm#.U7FCeOh-99A
http://www.air-tites.com/cap-tube-coin-holders.htm#.U7FCrOh-99A
Quote from: 'serial' pid='53797' dateline='1404125684'I was hoping for a solid storage solution like a plastic, acid/pvc free case if some sort.
The enemy is air. As long as you eliminate it, and do it with a non-reactive material, that's all that matters, really.
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RAM quoted mintage is 1m.
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Just wondering how many were rolled, and will the majority go into circulation.? UNC Roos may hold their value. Anyhow, I took the bait and paid $10 for one, just to sure to be sure:dodgy:
Peter Strich closed down months ago
Quote from: 'Australian coin' pid='53607' dateline='1403935910'there wasn't many rolls made, a few hundred, between Melbourne and Sydney.
number are unknown, someone said 200 rolls, and then heard 500
but there is expected to be 1 million in general circulation
knowing armguard they will hold onto them for a while before releasing them
these rolls were made just for dealers, to get on the good side after not getting a allocation of any Victoria cross ballot coins to them
they mint are not expected to go back into rolling coins again this was a one time thing
These are not RAM rolled coins
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='53881' dateline='1404219427'Just wondering how many were rolled
If the guesstimates are anywhere near close, 4000 to 10000 coins.
The rest will show up in baggies in due course, and be impossible to find UNC, naturally.
Quote from: 'runway' pid='53886' dateline='1404222266'Peter Strich closed down months ago
Hate to disappoint you there RUNWAY but Peter Strich is still operating as I was there only last week.
The latest is that they vacate premises towards mid-late September but earlier if they can sell their present residence and move to Queensland into their already purchased home.
Who rolled these coins?
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These are not RAM rolled coins
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And who says they are not "RAM rolled coins"?
Before there is a real bunfight, I have sent this day and email to the RAM asking if they did the rolls or if they didn't, who did.
Before any more dirt is thrown about can we wait for a response from the RAM.
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='53892' dateline='1404223221'And who says they are not "RAM rolled coins"?
Precisely. What a dumb assertion, based on what? The lack of a few words on the wrapper?
RAM produced the coins.
RAM owns rolling machines
RAM produces rolls of other coins
RAM handed out the rolls
Where in any of this is there any basis for saying they're not RAM rolls? They could have been plain paper, and still be RAM rolls. Just like the plain Armaguard rolls are Armaguard rolls even if they don't say so.
Heck, even in the unlikely event they were rolled by someone else, they're STILL RAM rolls, in the same way coins produced by foreign mints are still australian coins.
I agree, imho these are ram rolls
if chubb or armaguard rolled them then I would say mint security rolls
but I think that ram knew what they were doing when they did this.
Quote from: 'serial' pid='53900' dateline='1404257677'I agree, imho these are ram rolls
if chubb or armaguard rolled them then I would say mint security rolls
but I think that ram knew what they were doing when they did this.
*shrug* It's UNLIKELY that the RAM rolled them. They didn't roll the branded collector 20c / $1 rolls (like the Wills and Kate 20c rolls) but rather sent the wrappers and coins out to a third party. I remember at the time of the issue of the Australian Day 50c rolls the RAM saying they didn't have the rolling machines to be able to do it themselves. I'd very much doubt that situation has changed just to make a few hundred rolls to sweeten a deal with RAM distributors. But what is important here isn't actually WHO rolled the coins but rather that these rolls are official RAM product. Which they clearly ARE.
that's what I meant markn. they don't have to roll the rolls themselves for them to be a RAM product
on a another note
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2014-1-Mob-Of-Kangaroo-20-x-coins-One-Roll-/221477633973?pt=AU_Coins2&hash=item3391187fb5&nma=true&si=JNuQiNU4MqfIiEoKJuP3LXjOmSk%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
they are up to $132 :)
Can we get rid of this thread now,it just reminds me how greedy people are now lol
Quote from: 'accumulator' pid='53905' dateline='1404268777'Can we get rid of this thread now,it just reminds me how greedy people are now lol
see I don't understand this attitude. is it a bad thing to want an asset you enjoy to appreciate in value or does everything need to reduce in value for you not to be considered greedy?
I spend hours looking at, sorting, grading, properly storing, learning about and sourcing coins many of which people believe have no value (eg the many hours I spending noodling change/notes at banks)
I do this because I enjoy it and after all is said and done I would like to pass on a collection of coins to my children that can set them up for life or provide a safety net if they need it.
I don't intend to leave them a collection of worthless shiny metal objects that I have wasted money on.
Quote from: 'accumulator' pid='53905' dateline='1404268777'Can we get rid of this thread now,it just reminds me how greedy people are now lol
I'd go along with serial on this.
Let me give you an example that may just change your thinking...
You know I'm into Dogecoin. Somewhat of a fan you could say. Heck, I just put a ton of work into the Dogecoin Foundation, and for a few hours I
*was* the foundation.
Now, a funny thing has been happening. Because of the accelerated mining schedule and some internal conflicts, no matter what we've been doing, the price has been falling pretty consistently for a couple of months. Now, everybody
knows that in six months or so the mining will pretty much stop creating new coins, and all the work being done will increase demand.
But people are infused with doom and gloom, and are selling off at a loss, for bargain basement prices. Why? Because they see no value, and no prospects of value. So they're moving on elsewhere, be it Bitcoin, another altcoin, or completely out of the field.
Ultimately, the value of anything is completely a matter of desire for it. There is no intrinsic value. If everybody wants oil, the price will go up to the maximum level they are prepared to pay. The same goes for cryptocurrencies, precious metals, water, food, clean air and hugs. Well, maybe not hugs. :angel:
We collect little bits of paper and metal. We obsess about condition, which means the ones we value most are the ones which least perform their primary function. A proper coin is a used coin is a worn coin is a worthless coin. Conversely a perfect coin is an untouched coin is a completely worthless means of exchange, because using it devalues it in our eyes.
Why would anyone pay $100 for $20 worth of silver? But they do. Why would anyone pay tens of thousands for a penny? Or hundreds for a dollar?
These things have value because we say they do. Because we are prepared to pay more than the price printed or stamped on every one. And the harder something is to get, the more we'll pay.
In five years time, I
KNOW my dogecoins will be worth more than I'm buying them for now. In five years time I also
KNOW that almost any of the shinies I can buy from my friendly coin dealer will be worth less than I'd pay for them now. And you know that too.
So where's the incentive to buy this junk? Why do so many people do so? And why, when something truly unique comes along, even if its a piece of paper wrapped around a handful of coins, would that be any less desirable or worthy of discussion than anything else we talk about?
Note that I'm not arguing that greed is good. Because I don't think it is. But the desire for gain, in any currency, be it fiat, crypto, reputation, love, comfort or any other thing we crave, is not only natural, it is also a fundamental part of what makes us who we are. You can't deny such a basic instinct.
Why get rid of this thread?
Information is being exchanged for all to be educated.
Just because someone mentions that these rolls of coins are well over $100 per roll doesn't mean we are greedy.
Information is just being passed on and this thread should remain.
Good work McDuck ....
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Oh FFS do you people not see the lol at the end of what i said.
When people want stuff from other states they ask for anybody from the state to help them,i asked & got told " no way"
so tell me how you would feel if you done favours for a lot of people on here & then when you asked for help with something you get told "no way",answer me that hey.
I did not know you wanted a coin *hugs* accumulator, but I will try and get you a coin on Monday when I go back to the hospital for another x ray
if I get one you can have it for free
who said "no way", I may be broken but I can still kick someone's but for you
xx AC
ha ha AC
you are a treasure
I must admit that I thought accums comment was a tongue in cheek one (i.e. LOL)
and I nearly posted something about us pre-dec collectors not quite getting the decimal stuff at times.
anyways obviously a bit more to it in the long run
Keep this topic going ... interesting and informative
What I would like to know is how many rolls are out there? I can account for 50 at least based on eBay sales/forum post etc
Any chance of this being recognised by McDonalds in the 2015 guide
Just bought a roll just in case they are are worthwhile getting slabbed
later on if demand picks up
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/271537319855?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
Quote from: 'serial' pid='53942' dateline='1404310431'What I would like to know is how many rolls are out there? I can account for 50 at least based on eBay sales/forum post etc
Any chance of this being recognised by McDonalds in the 2015 guide
If it appears in the RAM report it'll likely appear in Maccas. PPH will include it in her (better) list of of dollar mintages once she has some concrete information on the mintage.
yes I understand that the mintage of the whole lot of 2014 MOR $1 will be included in the ram report but what I want to know is the mintage of the rolls handed out.
that is thee key point, if we can get that recognised it will give them long term potential rather than just be a quick flippers dream
Quote from: 'serial' pid='53954' dateline='1404344816'yes I understand that the mintage of the whole lot of 2014 MOR $1 will be included in the ram report but what I want to know is the mintage of the rolls handed out.
that is thee key point, if we can get that recognised it will give them long term potential rather than just be a quick flippers dream
And they usually break that out in the reports. Patience grasshopper.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='53962' dateline='1404354427'Patience grasshopper.
Just had to....... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP1Y-tIJ370)
yah mine arrived today :)
now off to the safety deposit box you go
I sent an email to the RAM and got the following reply/response:
QUOTE
The Royal Australian Mint did roll these coins in-house and made them available to attendees on the basis that they would be able to pay and take them upon participation in the forums.
The Contact Centre staff said you also rang to ask how many rolled coins were produced. The Royal Australian Mint prepared a sufficient amount to meet the forecasted demand. The final amount can't be disclosed as this number may vary depending on final demand.
Regards
Customer Service Team
Royal Australian Mint
UNQUOTE
I think that this response answers most of the questions.
"The final amount can't be disclosed as this number may vary depending on final demand"
so does that mean more will be released?
Quote from: 'serial' pid='53968' dateline='1404362658'"The final amount can't be disclosed as this number may vary depending on final demand"
so does that mean more will be released?
You should probably prepare yourself for that, yes.
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='53966' dateline='1404360733'I think that this response answers most of the questions.
Good work Bruce. I don't advise buying these at high prices because if dealers sense there's a dollar to be made out of these the RAM will make more to meet their orders and the "limited" nature of the release is quite likely to become much less limited.
Quote from: 'accumulator' pid='53923' dateline='1404293829'Oh FFS do you people not see the lol at the end of what i said.
When people want stuff from other states they ask for anybody from the state to help them,i asked & got told " no way"
so tell me how you would feel if you done favours for a lot of people on here & then when you asked for help with something you get told "no way",answer me that hey.
Yep ya got that right and that is pretty spot on Accu and makes one feel really good about them self and what part of the trouble is ATM and I can see it's been putting others off as well just looking at the lack of posts as I don't come on much any more due to this as well but hope it goes back to normal soon!
Quote from: 'markn' pid='53972' dateline='1404365174'Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='53966' dateline='1404360733'I think that this response answers most of the questions.
Good work Bruce. I don't advise buying these at high prices because if dealers sense there's a dollar to be made out of these the RAM will make more to meet their orders and the "limited" nature of the release is quite likely to become much less limited.
I think your right Mark and they will make more if the market wants them, and even if it doesn't :winkextra:
My wife suggested that I keep a hard copy of the emails and I have done just that.
I wonder if Greg MacDonald wants this information for his next Pocket catalogue.
haha I would give info, but I would have to get a free book!
Quote from: 'serial' pid='53968' dateline='1404362658'"The final amount can't be disclosed as this number may vary depending on final demand"
so does that mean more will be released?
Here's a nice round number for post 100, what about 50,000 rolls:shock::diablo:
Quote from: 'markn' pid='53969' dateline='1404364183'Quote from: 'serial' pid='53968' dateline='1404362658'"The final amount can't be disclosed as this number may vary depending on final demand"
so does that mean more will be released?
You should probably prepare yourself for that, yes.
No, you do not need to. There will be no more provided.
http://www.thesandpit.net/images/RAM%20-%202014%20And%20Beyond%20Invite.pdf
Total number rolled was to the demand of people who attended the event in Melbourne on the Wednesday and Sydney on the Thursday. The RAM made this quite clear in the invite before the event and the talk at the event. In Melbourne, I saw about four to six boxes of rolls there for participants to pick up. Others would have been shipped directly to dealers premises (some interstate dealers had made the trip and others had arranged representatives).
Sorry I cannot talk about the future RAM releases as the information is currently under embargo.
By the way, all the rolls are heads-tails.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='54100' dateline='1404590558'No, you do not need to. There will be no more provided.
http://www.thesandpit.net/images/RAM%20-%202014%20And%20Beyond%20Invite.pdf
So we've got two sources of conflicting information from the RAM. The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='54105' dateline='1404598593'Quote from: 'emu666' pid='54100' dateline='1404590558'No, you do not need to. There will be no more provided.
http://www.thesandpit.net/images/RAM%20-%202014%20And%20Beyond%20Invite.pdf
So we've got two sources of conflicting information from the RAM. The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.
No.
You misread the email information you received. It is quite clear.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='54106' dateline='1404599916'Quote from: 'markn' pid='54105' dateline='1404598593'Quote from: 'emu666' pid='54100' dateline='1404590558'No, you do not need to. There will be no more provided.
http://www.thesandpit.net/images/RAM%20-%202014%20And%20Beyond%20Invite.pdf
So we've got two sources of conflicting information from the RAM. The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.
No.
You misread the email information you received. It is quite clear.
I think you are putting too much faith in your piece of paper. It's not a contract, it's an invitation. Time will only tell what they will do.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='54107' dateline='1404600163'Quote from: 'emu666' pid='54106' dateline='1404599916'Quote from: 'markn' pid='54105' dateline='1404598593'Quote from: 'emu666' pid='54100' dateline='1404590558'No, you do not need to. There will be no more provided.
http://www.thesandpit.net/images/RAM%20-%202014%20And%20Beyond%20Invite.pdf
So we've got two sources of conflicting information from the RAM. The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.
No.
You misread the email information you received. It is quite clear.
I think you are putting too much faith in your piece of paper. It's not a contract, it's an invitation. Time will only tell what they will do.
Is paper more substantial than an email?
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='54108' dateline='1404601303'Is paper more substantial than an email?
Well they are both made of artfully arranged sub-atomic particles so who can say :) The email (IMHO) opens the door for the possibility for more of these to be made. The RAM has done it before. Although if they do it this time they'd want to be careful to only release the rolls through the dealer market and WELL after dealers who bought them at the product launch have sold their stocks. If they are not very careful they could end up upsetting a lot of people.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='54109' dateline='1404601461'Quote from: 'emu666' pid='54108' dateline='1404601303'Is paper more substantial than an email?
Well they are both made of artfully arranged sub-atomic particles so who can say :) The email (IMHO) opens the door for the possibility for more of these to be made. The RAM has done it before. Although if they do it this time they'd want to be careful to only release the rolls through the dealer market and WELL after dealers who bought them at the product launch have sold their stocks. If they are not very careful they could end up upsetting a lot of people.
No electrons were harmed in the making of this email (or page) although some were severely inconvenienced.
The RAM's track record is not good but they did promise that the rolls would not be available after the events the week before last.
Of course, the coins will eventually be released through security companies. These days the RAM appears to be releasing circulation coins in those little bags but some will eventually be rolled by the security companies.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='54113' dateline='1404601990'No electrons were harmed in the making of this email (or page) although some were severely inconvenienced.
The RAM's track record is not good but they did promise that the rolls would not be available after the events the week before last.
Of course, the coins will eventually be released through security companies. These days the RAM appears to be releasing circulation coins in those little bags but some will eventually be rolled by the security companies.
Well I hope you are right. I am advocating caution to those who are ponying up big dollars for these rolls. I'd hate to see people sitting on $150 rolls and then we see another release of the same thing in a few months time.
To be honest though I advocate caution to anyone who pays multiples of issue price for any recently released mint product.
In summoning up, lets wait and see.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='54113' dateline='1404601990'These days the RAM appears to be releasing circulation coins in those little bags
Did anyone ever get confirmation that the RAM are the ones producing the bags? The evidence points to it, but they point blank refused to answer my query, citing 'security' bullshit. Handy catch-all for governments and corporations nowadays, innit?
QuoteDid anyone ever get confirmation that the RAM are the ones producing the bags? The evidence points to it, but they point blank refused to answer my query, citing 'security' bullshit. Handy catch-all for governments and corporations nowadays, innit? QuoteThe chances of getting a Truthful, Accurate and honest answer from ANY Government department are pretty much a "Buckley's" Chance Mate.
The more "Smoke and Mirrors" they can create , The happier they are IMHO
:angel:
Got a roll on Ebay today for $54.95 free delivery, much better than over $100 same roll.
Bloody hell $36.50 at Downies...BUGGER
EMAIL FROM Sydney Coins and Jewellery
Special 2014 $1 Australian Mob of Roos Mint Roll
Sydney Coins and Jewellery is proud to offer our customers this 2014 $1 Australian Mob of Roos Mint Roll.
In 2014 The Royal Australian Mint will be Minting only 1 Million Mob of Kangaroos $1 Coins for Circulation. This makes the 2014 Mob of Roos Coin one of the lowest MINTED circulation $1 coins in Australia.
We as your local coin dealer is proud to offer our customers this magnificent chance to own a 2014 $1 Mob of Roos Mint roll.
These iconic designed $1 Mob of Kangaroo coins were struck at the Royal Australian Mint, Rolled at the Royal Australian Mint and sent straight to us by the Royal Australian Mint.
The Royal Australian Mint has not made a Circulation Mint Roll for many years, this year was an exception.
We have secured a decent amount of these 2014 $1 mint rolls for our customers
PRICE $39.95
Click to Order At Sydney Coins and Jewellery
yeah I got a email from my mint contact, "There isn't an official mintage of the rolled $1 coins. There are approximately 1 million
2014 $1 'mob of roos' coins being produced."
in my mind its more like they will make them while there is demand >> was playing with numbers and thinking 5000
I was told 2004 + whatever was handed out to dealers at mint conferances'
Quote from: 'Australian coin' pid='54277' dateline='1404824122'yeah I got a email from my mint contact, "There isn't an official mintage of the rolled $1 coins. There are approximately 1 million
2014 $1 'mob of roos' coins being produced."
in my mind its more like they will make them while there is demand >> was playing with numbers and thinking 5000
Thanks jozk I just got another 6 rolls :)
I have it from a good source that at least 2000 rolls have been released to 2 dealers with no more currently being considered.
Give it a couple of months and I think stock will dry out on ebay and Armaguard rolls will start to pop up from the "inside man" at Armaguard
but they wont be the same imho
1 mil is a low mintage no matter how you look at it but the rolls will be what makes it a good investment. look at the state series 50cent rolls for comparison
Thanks for the heads up jokz.Couldn't go wrong at $39.95 a roll so I
bought another couple of rolls myself
Woow... website say no more stock! That went fast.
:icon_cry:
the sorry about that. did you need one?
Quote from: 'serial' pid='54330' dateline='1404978062'the sorry about that. did you need one?
Hi serial,
I was going to get one. I have been following various threads here and sounds like these rolls are A Good Thing. Just more about wanting part of the action than being a die-hard $1 coin collector.
:angel:
Oh OK. Yeh I saw this for what it is and went all in. I think I now have 4% of the known roll population
Srsly my bed is running out of room underneath it
Quote from: 'serial' pid='54375' dateline='1405003041'Oh OK. Yeh I saw this for what it is and went all in. I think I now have 4% of the known roll population
Srsly my bed is running out of room underneath it
4%! if there's 2k rolls then you have *80* rolls?! At $40 each that's $3.2k!
:shock::shock::shock:
Quote from: 'kchan1111' pid='54393' dateline='1405051857'Quote from: 'serial' pid='54375' dateline='1405003041'Oh OK. Yeh I saw this for what it is and went all in. I think I now have 4% of the known roll population
Srsly my bed is running out of room underneath it
4%! if there's 2k rolls then you have *80* rolls?! At $40 each that's $3.2k!
:shock::shock::shock:
I read somewhere that there are 5000 rolls so that would be 200 rolls
I paid $30 for a roll at Robert's at wynyard.
Ssshhh kchan missus hasn't seen them yet. Plus they are never going to be worth less than 50% less than I paid
Downies have them for sale in their latest "online dogalogue" if people are interested.
QuoteDownies have them for sale in their latest "online dogalogue" if people are interested.
Not for Me mate, Kimmy sent me a rather nice coin that I recon will grade MS64/65 and I am more than happy with that.
Besides it was an unsolicited gift from a friend and when it comes back from PCGS I will put a wee sticker on it to say where I got it from :yahoo:
As all my Dollar coins range from Ch Unc- Gem, an MS 64/65 is a real contender for my collection and I have NO use for 20 of the buggers :angel:
20 meh your a light weight :P
Quote from: 'serial' pid='54452' dateline='1405078317'20 meh your a light weight :P
How about we do a "Show and tell" with Canberra Florins and we will see Who is a "Light Weight" :angel:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='54454' dateline='1405078483'Quote from: 'serial' pid='54452' dateline='1405078317'20 meh your a light weight :P
How about we do a "Show and tell" with Canberra Florins and we will see Who is a "Light Weight" :angel:
Go to 1920 pennies and you are both tiny specks.
This contest reminds me of when I was little and we all tried to pee as high up the tin fence as possible.
Quote from: 'serial' pid='54416' dateline='1405063764'Ssshhh kchan missus hasn't seen them yet. Plus they are never going to be worth less than 50% less than I paid
You can't hide 200 rolls (4000 coins) in the house forever. You need to rent a store room like the scene from Breaking Bad.
:laugh2:
yes you can
under the bed - neatly stacked in boxes / containers
in the back of the clothes cupboard - the deeper part that never gets used
behind the linen in the linen cupboard
I have a small neat roller doored book case - it is amazing how much can be stored in these - I have an ex government metal lock up one - looks nice enough and holds a heck of a lot of my junk
takes 2 men to bust it open if you have to ... when you lost the key ...
at the bottom of the kids laundry basket - if it's a teenager boy - they are safely hidden for oh, about 7 years
door stops - that would also work
ermm... where else?
not in the garage - careful there they often don't store well for long
actually Robbiegal is right.
coins rolls store real neatly in small spaces.
I have over 500 rolls hidden in the bedroom next to the hundreds of proof and mint sets.
its the granny bait silver dollar/1oz coins/masterpiece sets etc that take the most room per item
Quote from: 'trout' pid='54454' dateline='1405078483'Quote from: 'serial' pid='54452' dateline='1405078317'20 meh your a light weight :P
How about we do a "Show and tell" with Canberra Florins and we will see Who is a "Light Weight" :angel:
truly trout i would love to see your collection but I would advise against the photographing of huge quantities of silver and uploading of said silver pictures
I couldn't find any stores that have them in stock for $35, cheapest I could find was $45. Knowing that rolled coin typically has a 2x face value premium I consider getting these rolls at "face value" is worth a shot that in years to come they "may" be worth a tidy sum???
Would rolls with the red mint wrapper command more than the armagaurd rolls we will eventually see???
Quote from: 'Coins from Vending' pid='54532' dateline='1405212033'I couldn't find any stores that have them in stock for $35,
Did you try VP Coins, I was in there Saturday. I'm sure Goldseeker mentioned they were $35 at Downies in one of his posts.
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='54534' dateline='1405213157'Quote from: 'Coins from Vending' pid='54532' dateline='1405212033'I couldn't find any stores that have them in stock for $35,
Did you try VP Coins, I was in there Saturday. I'm sure Goldseeker mentioned they were $35 at Downies in one of his posts.
I just bought another 10 from VP at $35 a roll, that gives me 15 rolls. I'd better leave the house and go play golf or I will buy more.
I just looked up VP coins & the location
my first primary school was at Mt Gravatt
my great uncle owned most of the now Upper Mt Gravatt heights land & sold it after the war for a considerable profit (according to family folklore)
another uncle's Mt Gravatt home remains in the family
haven't been there for years now
hum memories .....
where's runway ... off topic ... nothing about making a fortune from 2014 MOR rolls!! ha ha
Quote from: 'kchan1111' pid='54457' dateline='1405080239'You can't hide 200 rolls (4000 coins) in the house forever. You need to rent a store room like the scene from Breaking Bad.
I'm happy to rent myself out as a consultant for all your Money Bin design projects... at outrageous rates of course! ;)
If these rolls were done inhouse by RAM they would have had wrappers confirming the reason for the release!
Speak to three different people at RAM and you will get three different answers, even in writing!
I do not believe they have been wrapped inhouse as a conversation I had with the CEO Mc Diarmid recently he confirmed that the RAM no longer wraps inhouse due to quality control issues.
Mainly severe scratches on first and last coins in roll. The reason they were selling Girl Guide and other rolls at $30 was to allow for additional costs for external wrapping.
These are the same wrappers used in 2010 and 2011 $1 rolls wrapped by SecuriCor? Which I believe is a subsidiary of Toll.
RAM should have released these rolls in RAM wrappers but being stingy they have reduced their costs!
Lets see what happens when Abbot sellls the RAM!! Will probably be bought by Downies! LOL!
Quote from: 'SULLA' pid='54573' dateline='1405231182'I do not believe they have been wrapped inhouse as a conversation I had with the CEO Mc Diarmid recently he confirmed that the RAM no longer wraps inhouse due to quality control issues.
*shrug* two or three different people have asked the RAM different ways and got the same answer. The RAM rolled them in-house. It's even shown publicly on their Facebook page for everyone to see. Does it really matter anyway? I would have thought a bigger issue with people hoarding this is that they seem to be available now for about a third of the price they were getting eBay just a week ago.
those RAM identified paper rolls were total crap and fell apart in transit & normal handling
they were real quality control shockers
that is most likely why the mint ditched that supplier
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='54579' dateline='1405233092'those RAM identified paper rolls were total crap and fell apart in transit & normal handling
they were real quality control shockers
that is most likely why the mint ditched that supplier
I sent my Australia Day 50c rolls back reply paid as they were so loose. They had trouble with those and sent lots back to be re-rolled. I assume then they'll be more and more bagmarked because of that.
Is the mint announcing mintage figures for this coin well before its released a potential price killer for the 2014 $1 MoR
From my limited experience and reading, mintage for coins is not released before the coin is issued for circulation usually atleast a 6 month delay from what I have seen, so if everyone knows that only 1 million of these are made means everyone will hang on to them knowing its a low year??
Where as the 2011 10c piece is a low mintage year but that figure wasn't known till 2012??? meaning most of if not all of the 2011 10c pieces went into circulation???
The Mint has announced this to dealers as a special 30th Anniversay issue of the $1.
A special issue as RAM has also released 23m Anzac 2014.
This issue is unique and designed to excite us.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11067/kev.jpg)
Quote from: 'Coins from Vending' pid='54591' dateline='1405238821'Is the mint announcing mintage figures for this coin well before its released a potential price killer for the 2014 $1 MoR
From my limited experience and reading, mintage for coins is not released before the coin is issued for circulation usually atleast a 6 month delay from what I have seen, so if everyone knows that only 1 million of these are made means everyone will hang on to them knowing its a low year??
Where as the 2011 10c piece is a low mintage year but that figure wasn't known till 2012??? meaning most of if not all of the 2011 10c pieces went into circulation???
This is where it first came to my notice.
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb22/interest88/s-dollar_zpse2aefaac.gif)
me too, and that was months before, the plain coin was released.
eh well the regular forum people would know this, eh newbies always wanting a quick buck
Quote from: 'Australian coin' pid='54618' dateline='1405259211'me too, and that was months before, the plain coin was released.
eh well the regular forum people would know this, eh newbies always wanting a quick buck
That's exactly my point, the mintage for this coin is widely known well before distribution, which is unlike other coins with a few exceptions.
This then gives everyone notice of a low mintage and whats released gets hoarded, purple $2 coin comes to mind.
Quote from: 'Australian coin' pid='54618' dateline='1405259211'eh well the regular forum people would know this, eh newbies always wanting a quick buck
:angel:
Guilty as charged. I got a couple like lemmings.
:blush:
2014 MOR $1 Roll are not either scarce nor rare.
Some people made a lot of money reselling these
OK
I'll Fess Up, I bought a couple of these rolls and will be breaking them open to hunt for a high quality coin to get graded for my collection.
I figure that cracking them out now will give me a far higher chance of finding a nice coin Than cracking them out in 10-15 years time when the elements may have damaged the coins in the roll.
I imagine that these will be yet another "Hoarded" coin and mid to high graded coins will be the Norm.
MS67 and above however would be a whole different kettle of fish I would think as most people Wont crack the rolls because of the value of the roll and the coins will slowly degrade in the paper over the years.
Our Ali/bronze coins are quite prone to tarnishing rapidly if not stored correctly, Just look at some of your dollar coins in the cardboard packaging supplied at the mint your own stand and see how they have already lost some of their Glory.
I bought big time in on this one. I don't regret it either. I will be breaking a roll to find one or two to be graded as per trouts suggestion but the rest will be going long term storage with a couple maybe traded to defray the extra cost. the way I see it is I spend many hours searching for mint rolls at banks and that translates into time that could be spent on other things. time=money so the relatively small premium on face value is a good investment imho.
plus, like trout said, the condition goes downhill if not stored properly and not many people handle the rolls correctly. at least half will be lost due to break up/accidental damage and the information I have is the number of rolls made was only about 2500. we will see if they make more but I doubt it
SERIAL what is "big time"?
According to my correspondence from the Mint there is no limit on the number of rolls being offered; the only consideration is demand!
Most dealers are quoting 5000 rolls but according to my correspondence with the RAM that number cannot be confirmed.
As most dealers have already sold out out, I suspect that more rolls may be offered by the RAM.
40ish I lost count, they kinda just came in bit by bit. they are on my pile of stuff to record and store. school holidays have put my coin house keeping on hold a bit
I know its not much money to most here but its a lot to me
What's the best way to store them??? I only have the two! Not 40! Can't afford to lose any.
I ordered some rolls from Downies last week and they ran out but said they were getting their
last shipment this week and so would be able to fill my order.They did tell me that after this
shipment of rolls they wouldn't be able to get any more but they wouldn't tell me how many rolls
they had sold or how many rolls were in their last shipment
I smell a rat & i'm starting to think that this is going to end up the the 2007 50 cent con !
what do you mean accumulator?
Quote from: 'accumulator' pid='55202' dateline='1406019135'I smell a rat & i'm starting to think that this is going to end up the the 2007 50 cent con !
ah the old 2007 low mintage 50c story .........
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='55212' dateline='1406024424'Quote from: 'accumulator' pid='55202' dateline='1406019135'I smell a rat & i'm starting to think that this is going to end up the the 2007 50 cent con !
ah the old 2007 low mintage 50c story .........
so is anyone going to explain this?
Yes Serial, in 2007 it was widely rumoured that the 2007 50 cent coin would have a very low mintage number of 1.8 million,so everyone bought up big on rolls only to find out a few months later that the actually mintage was 18 million.
I still have about 10 rolls of them,i learnt my lesson that year & will never get caught like that again,the old saying " once bitten twice shy" comes to mind.
thanks accumulator.
can you expand on what you mean by rumoured? was it a ram release like this one or just a rumour amongst collectors?
Just rumored among collectors,i suspect someone that had a heap of the rolls started the rumor.
No it was'nt a RAM release.
I think you'll be right with this release though,the prices have come down quite a bit in the last few days but i think the rolls start to level out a bit now.
thanks a heap for the info accumulator
I remember seeing coin club members buying heaps and showing off their 50c loot
it was seriously considered to be the lowest mintage going
I don't know exactly where the advice came from but it was well spread around the collector community
Well I hope this case is different!
Quote from: 'serial' pid='55269' dateline='1406102734'Well I hope this case is different!
As this was all started by the RAM in the first place by handing out these rolls to the dealers to make a quick profit, I imagine it would be very unethical for the RAM to create more rolls and issue them just to the dealers again:dodgy:
with 24 million 2014 $1 coins issued for circulation I can't see why they would need to release more??
Quote from: 'Coins from Vending' pid='55280' dateline='1406105895'with 24 million 2014 $1 coins issued for circulation I can't see why they would need to release more??
The rolls contain MOR dollars of which there's only going to be 1 million.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='55272' dateline='1406104161'Quote from: 'serial' pid='55269' dateline='1406102734'Well I hope this case is different!
As this was all started by the RAM in the first place by handing out these rolls to the dealers to make a quick profit, I imagine it would be very unethical for the RAM to create more rolls and issue them just to the dealers again:dodgy:
my hunch is that the RAM is measuring the viability of producing unc year rolls again, but in 'limited edition' numbers so that they can increase profits
jeepers - didn't they sell them to the dealers for the standard $29.95 to start with?
they are $9.95 ahead to begin with on each roll
they may have given the dealers 'a sweetener' but there would be a fiscal rational behind that sugar coated mint roll
do you really want to know the true price of the rolls to dealers, derrrrrrr face value
Quote from: 'Australian coin' pid='55334' dateline='1406119186'do you really want to know the true price of the rolls to dealers, derrrrrrr face value
I figured that would be the case Mate :angel:
Quote from: 'Australian coin' pid='55334' dateline='1406119186'do you really want to know the true price of the rolls to dealers, derrrrrrr face value
seeereeeously???
well how about that!
I thought they were charged the standard $29.95 which I did think was a bit steep considering the roll looks just like a chubb roll
no fancy inks or such
ah well, I only got a couple but they will go in the tin with my other non event 'money spinners' ha ha
Quote from: 'markn' pid='55304' dateline='1406112958'Quote from: 'Coins from Vending' pid='55280' dateline='1406105895'with 24 million 2014 $1 coins issued for circulation I can't see why they would need to release more??
The rolls contain MOR dollars of which there's only going to be 1 million.
Yes, but throw in the 23 million Anzac $1 coins and you have 24 million 2014 $1 coins issued.
Quote from: 'Coins from Vending' pid='55444' dateline='1406201330'Quote from: 'markn' pid='55304' dateline='1406112958'Quote from: 'Coins from Vending' pid='55280' dateline='1406105895'with 24 million 2014 $1 coins issued for circulation I can't see why they would need to release more??
The rolls contain MOR dollars of which there's only going to be 1 million.
Yes, but throw in the 23 million Anzac $1 coins and you have 24 million 2014 $1 coins issued.
And this thread is about the MOR dollars?
yes it is, but when ppl say the mint may mint more $1 I don't think they will as they have already minted 24 million 2014 dated $1 coins?
Quote from: 'Coins from Vending' pid='55536' dateline='1406276391'yes it is, but when ppl say the mint may mint more $1 I don't think they will as they have already minted 24 million 2014 dated $1 coins?
They'll do what suits their needs at the time, the currency determinations generally allow them to mint approved designs to the numbers that they determine themselves. Those needs might be economic, political, or merely ass covering. In 2005 they deliberately and released minted MOR dollars even though they hadn't planned to so they could cover their butts due to an accidental minting of MOR dollars that were released into circulation earlier.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='55539' dateline='1406276707'Quote from: 'Coins from Vending' pid='55536' dateline='1406276391'yes it is, but when ppl say the mint may mint more $1 I don't think they will as they have already minted 24 million 2014 dated $1 coins?
They'll do what suits their needs at the time, the currency determinations generally allow them to mint approved designs to the numbers that they determine themselves. Those needs might be economic, political, or merely ass covering. In 2005 they deliberately and released minted MOR dollars even though they hadn't planned to so they could cover their butts due to an accidental minting of MOR dollars that were released into circulation earlier.
I know some 2006 Proof sets contained a 2005 MOR $1 then RAM released them as circulation coin
I got my first 2014 dollar yesterday in town , it is the first one I have ever seen .
but it is different , on the tail side it has , [ 100 years of Anzac ]
[ the spirit lives ]
but I have never seen the MOR ones yet , only in rolls on ebay ..
,, kel ,,
Just brought a roll of these for $30 from M.R. Roberts. They are going to increase he price to $32 in a week or so when they send their magazine out. Picked up a single for $2.50 as well - which they took from a mint roll.
If you still want to get some reasonably priced give them a ring or email them. I think their postage is reasonable too.
I have just gone through 2 rolls of these and only found 1 coin worthy of grading.
Most of the coins had hits on the Queens cheek and some had hits on the big roo.
All the others will grade at MS64 ish
This one may get MS65-66.
Whoever rolled these didn't put too much care in the job.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/2014_mor_circ1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/2014_mor_circ.jpg)
Nice picture Trout
More questions from me sorry.... How do the PCGS dealers here charge for getting a coin slabbed?
Quote from: 'kchan1111' pid='55953' dateline='1406806956'More questions from me sorry.... How do the PCGS dealers here charge for getting a coin slabbed?
Most of the dealers are more than reasonable But if you intend to send a few in may I suggest getting your own membership :ok:
I bought a couple of 2014 MOR rolls and thought might be a good idea to get a couple slabbed as suggested here. Otherwise I don't have any other at the moment. But early days. So just the couple so it's probably best go through a dealer? May be I should wait until I have a few.
I see that there are now rolls from armagaurd on ebay
armagaurd rolls (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2014-ONE-DOLLAR-MOB-OF-ROOS-SECURITY-ROLL-UNCIRCULATED-LOW-MINTAGE-/261555485572?pt=AU_Coins2&hash=item3ce5ebfb84)
Maybe this will reduce the price?
So if there was a million of these coins minted.
5,000 for Sydney "S" counterstamp
995,000 left, divide by 20 per roll = 49,750 rolls LOL
The only thing with none mint rolls is that there can be anything in the middle of the roll and yes interest 50000 rolls is a fair chunk so a long way of low mintage in my book.
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='54023' dateline='1404464405'Here's a nice round number for post 100, what about 50,000 rolls:shock::diablo:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='57665' dateline='1408644319'The only thing with none mint rolls is that there can be anything in the middle of the roll and yes interest 50000 rolls is a fair chunk so a long way of low mintage in my book.
Apologies for this damn ego, down boy down :sun_bespectacled: but I did say that :blush:
Gee auto it's all good mate, I can't stay mad at someone so cute for very long :blush2: I have posted a pic here somewhere of an armourguard roll that had a US 1/4 on the end so i still had to open it to see what's inside, yes the curiosity of a child :angel:
Just got some results from PCGS.
I sent 3 2014 MOR coins from a roll I bought and these were the best coins in it.
MS65 MS66 and MS66
gee for brand new coins they shouldn't be so marked up so I take it they had a lot of the typical bag marks that are on the coins of today :( It's looking like 66 will be our new top of the pops with the poor quality the mint is releasing these day.
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='59357' dateline='1410994735'gee for brand new coins they shouldn't be so marked up so I take it they had a lot of the typical bag marks that are on the coins of today :( It's looking like 66 will be our new top of the pops with the poor quality the mint is releasing these day.
I think it would be a safe bet that Feathers will hunt a MS68 coin down :good::yahoo:
Yes but you know who's pcgs set it will end up in, unless you do some sweet talking :)
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='59363' dateline='1410995421'Yes but you know who's pcgs set it will end up in, unless you do some sweet talking :)
Feathers has some Awesome coins in his set registry because he makes the time and effort to hunt through many coins to find "The One" and he is bloody good at it.
I don't have the opportunity or ability to do what he does, I simply "Muddle Through" and hope for the best So good on him I hope he can find a 69 or70 :yahoo:
Yes you put the work in and you quite often get rewarded :angel:
I opened 2 rolls and only found 1 worthy of sending. I should know the result soon but at a guess I would say 66 to 67 if I got a 68 I would be happy and probably break another 10 rolls open looking for another
Quote from: 'serial' pid='59377' dateline='1410997880'I opened 2 rolls and only found 1 worthy of sending. I should know the result soon but at a guess I would say 66 to 67 if I got a 68 I would be happy and probably break another 10 rolls open looking for another
I would of opened ALL them Puppies by now :diablo::)
Ah one of my mob that can't resist temptation as I had 2 rolls of tallships that I was going to leave but couldn't help my self so now in PP folders..I know I'm weak minded but I can't help it and it's all good :)
At least you can look at them all easily now AJ and they are a very pretty little coin.
Pedro
Has anyone else had one of these coins graded yet?
I just got results back. ms66 sigh I was hoping for a 67
Quote from: 'serial' pid='59387' dateline='1411005624'I just got results back. ms66 sigh I was hoping for a 67
I just had a look at the pop reports and there is on graded at 67.
I think a 66 is a pretty good result considering the bagginess of these coins :good:
yes well I want a 68. I will have to order some more 2x2 so I can crack some more rolls open. srsly I am spending about $60 a week on 2x2's, note sleeves, mylars, file sheets etc
Why bother getting these slabbed?
1. You cant get them in mint sets
2. The coins are highly baggy
3. Low mintage
So if you can get 66 or higher it has good long turn potential unless someone gets a run of 68+ coins
But I doubt will that will happen given the condition of the coins comming out of the mint rolls
Quote from: 'serial' pid='60362' dateline='1412257328'1. You cant get them in mint sets
2. The coins are highly baggy
3. Low mintage
So if you can get 66 or higher it has good long turn potential unless someone gets a run of 68+ coins
But I doubt will that will happen given the condition of the coins comming out of the mint rolls
I've gone through several rolls and my best was a 66. A colleague of mine did the same with his rolls in much larger quantity and his best were 66s as well. A 67 is tough. A 68 is unlikely in large numbers.
Quote from: 'drakesterling' pid='60365' dateline='1412278455'Quote from: 'serial' pid='60362' dateline='1412257328'1. You cant get them in mint sets
2. The coins are highly baggy
3. Low mintage
So if you can get 66 or higher it has good long turn potential unless someone gets a run of 68+ coins
But I doubt will that will happen given the condition of the coins comming out of the mint rolls
I've gone through several rolls and my best was a 66. A colleague of mine did the same with his rolls in much larger quantity and his best were 66s as well. A 67 is tough. A 68 is unlikely in large numbers.
getting ANY AL/BR dollar coin in MS68 and above is extremely tough if you look at the pop reports for these coins.
When I was putting together a submission for PCGS the other day I came across a couple of 2014 MOR coins that I put away initially from a roll and forgot about them.
They both look as good if not better than the MS66 coin I had graded, I guess I will find out in a few weeks :angel:
Once the market settled after the initial frenzy these rolls were selling on average around the $60 mark. Over the last couple of weeks or so they have suddenly taken off again and very little seems to be going for under about $75 on Ebay and quite a few going in the $80's and above.
Pedro
Quote from: 'trout' pid='61919' dateline='1415137808'When I was putting together a submission for PCGS the other day I came across a couple of 2014 MOR coins that I put away initially from a roll and forgot about them.
They both look as good if not better than the MS66 coin I had graded, I guess I will find out in a few weeks :angel:
Hey trout curious how many rolls have you cracked open so far?
Quote from: 'kchan1111' pid='62035' dateline='1415398559'Quote from: 'trout' pid='61919' dateline='1415137808'When I was putting together a submission for PCGS the other day I came across a couple of 2014 MOR coins that I put away initially from a roll and forgot about them.
They both look as good if not better than the MS66 coin I had graded, I guess I will find out in a few weeks :angel:
Hey trout curious how many rolls have you cracked open so far?
Just the one, I think I "Got Lucky" with the one and only roll :)
I have one of them already graded at MS66 from a batch of coins I sent away when the roll arrived at home.
When I crack a roll I always do it carefully and put each coin in a saflip, then I go through all the coins and try and pick out the "Gems".
When I went through this particular roll I was halfway through tagging, bagging and writing up a submission form.
When I came to add the 2014 MOR coins I couldn't find the little buggers ( If you have seen my desk and office you would understand why) so I went through the other coins and hurriedly picked out 3 to send away.
These came back MS64, MS65 and MS66.
I'm just hoping that my eye was in when I picked out the initial 2 coins that I sent away a week ago.
You never know until they are graded and hopefully one of them will come back MS67 :yahoo:
Picked up 6 security bags of 2014 MOR this morning and 16 loose coins in Melbourne.
They are now out there!
Nice one!