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Australian Coins, Banknotes and Exonumia => Australian Pre-Decimal Coins => Topic started by: nealeffendi on June 10, 2014, 02:33:01 PM

Title: 1946 florin, 2 or 3 different date varieties?
Post by: nealeffendi on June 10, 2014, 02:33:01 PM
I know the variety catalogues only list 2 different date varieties for the '46 florin. I have a florin that doesn't appear to have either the common 6 or the scarce big 6. So is it possible that a 3rd type exists?
Check out ebay item 351077451316. It is in Unc grade and the gap between the top and the circle is too small for a normal 6 and too large for the big 6. I compared it in hand with a bunch of other '46s and it isn't the same. Opinions?
Title: RE: 1946 florin, 2 or 3 different date varieties?
Post by: Australian coin on June 10, 2014, 03:15:44 PM
this site may help, http://www.triton.vg ( i don't know why it is not working ATM this is where I learnt about the 6 on the florin, and I have both types and they are not hard.
the 6 in the date has a large loop and a small loop
don't know much more than that >> coppied a pic

(http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv160/ford_prefect/Large_Loop_46.jpg?t=1251178524)
Title: RE: 1946 florin, 2 or 3 different date varieties?
Post by: Fordprefect on June 10, 2014, 03:34:33 PM
Quote from: 'Australian coin' pid='51950' dateline='1402379144'this site may help, http://www.triton.vg ( i don't know why it is not working ATM this is where I learnt about the 6 on the florin, and I have both types and they are not hard.
the 6 in the date has a large loop and a small loop
don't know much more than that >> coppied a pic
:police_car:
Blimey AC I did that image about 5 years ago :dodgy:
Where did I post it ?
Title: RE: 1946 florin, 2 or 3 different date varieties?
Post by: Australian coin on June 10, 2014, 03:37:45 PM
quick sales forum old link turned up in a search engine, it was linked from photo bucket
Title: RE: 1946 florin, 2 or 3 different date varieties?
Post by: Fordprefect on June 10, 2014, 03:45:47 PM
Quote from: 'Australian coin' pid='51957' dateline='1402380465'quick sales forum old link turned up in a search engine, it was linked from photo bucket
Tah for that, thought they archived all the old stuff.

The question re- date
That '46 appears to be an early strike on nice clean dies.

The Coin in question.
(http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv160/ford_prefect/Australian%20Coin%20Forum/1946FlorinRev-85_zps9dbbff8e.jpg)
Title: RE: 1946 florin, 2 or 3 different date varieties?
Post by: nealeffendi on June 10, 2014, 03:46:14 PM
And my florin isn't the same as those 2 images, that is what is perplexing.
Title: RE: 1946 florin, 2 or 3 different date varieties?
Post by: Australian coin on June 10, 2014, 05:04:40 PM
a picture speaks a thousand words
Title: RE: 1946 florin, 2 or 3 different date varieties?
Post by: nealeffendi on June 10, 2014, 05:20:53 PM
Thanks Rob.
In a normal 6 the 6 looks like an inverted 9, but mine has a fat 6, would that fatness be enough to make the gap appear small or was a different 6 punch used? Plus why is the 6 so fat?
Title: RE: 1946 florin, 2 or 3 different date varieties?
Post by: Nevol on June 10, 2014, 05:27:04 PM
Close ups of all 3 images.

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10007/1946_x_3_for_comparison_v3.jpg)
Title: RE: 1946 florin, 2 or 3 different date varieties?
Post by: autocoupler on June 01, 2017, 09:07:35 PM
Fred and neal did an article in this months CAB magazine on the 1946 florin where a big 6 variety displayed a dot between AL of AUSTRALIA. No dot between AL on the few I have, but did find a dot above the last A :yahoo:

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10064/1946_Big_6_Florin_dot_above_last_A_in_AUSTRALIA.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10064/IMG_3022.JPG)
Title: RE: 1946 florin, 2 or 3 different date varieties?
Post by: nealeffendi on June 04, 2017, 12:09:35 PM
That is a nice Big 6 florin. Have you considered getting it slabbed as a big 6? (I'm surprised that the '53 long denticle has had about 10 slabbed as such but they don't seem to have either slabbed any big 46s or is it a case that they have not yet recognized the variety? If the '26 sixpence with serif is now recognised then surely the big 6 would be recognised if requested?)
BTW there are now about a dozen known reverse dies of the big 6. They are all hard to get in above bullion grade.
Title: RE: 1946 florin, 2 or 3 different date varieties?
Post by: autocoupler on June 04, 2017, 08:23:01 PM
It does seem odd that no big sixes have been slabbed to this point, but I know that PCGS use the Renniks Varieties catalogue as a reference, so assume it would be just a matter of submitting a coin as a big 6 variety to be attributed as such.

Looking forward to the follow up article and hopefully further info on the many reverse die varieties :good:
Title: RE: 1946 florin, 2 or 3 different date varieties?
Post by: trout on June 04, 2017, 08:37:55 PM
Maybe nobody has sent in a "Variety" submission with this coin yet?
Title: RE: 1946 florin, 2 or 3 different date varieties?
Post by: autocoupler on June 04, 2017, 08:42:53 PM
:i_agree: Probably as simple as that