well I was looking around and thought I need new glasses or is there something funny about the 1915 H florin at jaggards, hope it's just a typo :scratch_one-s_head:
http://www.jaggards.com.au/shop/products.asp?page=2&pagination=9&categoryid=25
AJ, Obviously you'd wait until the 'sale' is over and it's back to the normal price.
Who sets a 'sale' price higher than the regular price? Jaggards, that's who.
Some staff member there needs to have his/her head examined.
I think they meant to type $10000.If you are interested in one of these AJ I
could do you a deal as I have a PCGS MS63 example
Gee thanks heaps Stevo but it's all good for now mate but we'll chat about it a bit later if that's ok. I was just doing what we do and sussin things out and because it was late I thought it was me for a sec but it wasn't so that was good so I'm still only partly insane for now but one day I hope to make it to fully and seem well on target :laugh2: anyone else like to join me :friends:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='50395' dateline='1401198552'well I was looking around and thought I need new glasses or is there something funny about the 1915 H florin at jaggards, hope it's just a typo :scratch_one-s_head:
http://www.jaggards.com.au/shop/products.asp?page=2&pagination=9&categoryid=25
I googled for that coin and I found one at Jaggards listed at $12500 reduced to $11000 so maybe someone has been stuffing around with the listing.Anyway it's too much to pay for a raw coin because if it only grades to MS62 you've thrown away about $7000.Better to buy a nice unc raw coin from one of the big auction houses for a couple of K and send it to PCGS and do a dance when it comes back MS63 :dance2:
:laugh2: sounds good but I know I have a lot more to learn about grading so that's why I'm slowly getting a few slabs so I know what to look for as I really want to go to more shows as it was pretty good and definitely want to go to an auction as well and hopefully lining it up for Sydney ANDA and would really like to make Melbourne as I have never been but it might have to wait till next year but see what happens, I'm slowly learning from pic's but found it a lot easier having a coin in hand :)
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='50419' dateline='1401241108':laugh2: sounds good but I know I have a lot more to learn about grading so that's why I'm slowly getting a few slabs so I know what to look for as I really want to go to more shows as it was pretty good and definitely want to go to an auction as well and hopefully lining it up for Sydney ANDA and would really like to make Melbourne as I have never been but it might have to wait till next year but see what happens, I'm slowly learning from pic's but found it a lot easier having a coin in hand :)
I'm with you on buying a few slabs to get a hands on understanding of the ins and outs.
But start with the common dates, you can pick up half a dozen Geo v slabbed florins AU50 to MS64 for under a grand if you buy dates like 1936. For a few hundred more you can add a few high grade QEII as well.
Forking over 10 grand on a single rarity just to learn from isn't for the likes of you (or me).
Stevo, do you think that florin would possibly make only MS62? But for that price I think most buyers would be disappointed if it slabbed at 63.
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='50425' dateline='1401250139'Stevo, do you think that florin would possibly make only MS62? But for that price I think most buyers would be disappointed if it slabbed at 63.
The photos aren't quite in focus and low resolution but I think it might go 62 or 62+ although it looks to be minus some detail maybe from wear or rubbing and wouldn't like to gamble that it would make MS63 .At that price I would want some sort of guarantee.You'd want at least MS63+ for $11000
Yes you lot are a really great help thank you all so very much as it has all helped and pic's are good but you don't realise until you actually get to a show and get to see coins in hand and I thought about grabbing a handful and running but Mark would have only dobbed me in :( JUST JOKING everyone Mark is really nice but I didn't say anything so mum's the word :ok:
I'm slowly building my knowledge on raw coins so I can at least see what I'm buying and not just taking someone's word for it and then if I can eventually get close to how PCGS grade I might even be able to make a couple of bucks eventually but still a long way off but I have all the time in the world and I'm still gonna pick all your brains if you don't mind :hi:
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='50427' dateline='1401252060'Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='50425' dateline='1401250139'Stevo, do you think that florin would possibly make only MS62? But for that price I think most buyers would be disappointed if it slabbed at 63.
The photos aren't quite in focus and low resolution but I think it might go 62 or 62+ although it looks to be minus some detail maybe from wear or rubbing and wouldn't like to gamble that it would make MS63 .At that price I would want some sort of guarantee.You'd want at least MS63+ for $11000
My own concern is that this (and the other Unc) Geo V silver at Jaggards have no patina, have they been dipped or does this dealer avoid dealing in coins with rich patinas?
I agree about the MS63+ minimum needed to buy this coin. At Sterling and Currency a MS62+ is only $4950, so for more than double the money you would want an exceptional coin.
Yep many of their images appear to show coins that have been cleaned.
I don't know - maybe its just the photos.
But many of these big ANDA dealers are happy to sell cleaned coins without stating this.
They know that they can get away with it legally.
cough cough
careful with these guys
I once 'bought' a 1938 crown only to be advised a month after I paid for it that it was not actually even available - old photo or something
and I had to make the call to ask what was happening with my order as I noticed the debit hadn't been taken from my credit card after paying
so I haven't been back
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='50444' dateline='1401264352'Yep many of their images appear to show coins that have been cleaned.
I don't know - maybe its just the photos.
But many of these big ANDA dealers are happy to sell cleaned coins without stating this.
They know that they can get away with it legally.
So the only safe option when buying raw coins from these dealers is to insist that the sales docket specifies that the coin has never been cleaned. If they don't want to sign off to that then No Sale. A few lost sales and they will start to realise that there is a cost to cleaning and the risk that in a few years their inventory will be worth far less if they clean coins.
I think 'cleaning' is sometimes a matter of opinion and at times somewhat academic?
no different to the issues that are being raised with the rarity coin company that folded in WA?
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='50451' dateline='1401269609'I think 'cleaning' is sometimes a matter of opinion and at times somewhat academic?
no different to the issues that are being raised with the rarity coin company that folded in WA?
Re cleaning its all about whether or not it grades at PCGS.
Bottom line.
PCGS has become the standard and if its bodybagged a coin is unsaleable really.
Rare Coin Co operated on a flawed business model that was doomed to fail.
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='50451' dateline='1401269609'I think 'cleaning' is sometimes a matter of opinion and at times somewhat academic?
no different to the issues that are being raised with the rarity coin company that folded in WA?
Yes, people have different opinions about cleaning. But nowadays with most high end coins being bid on or assessed by buyers who want to slab coins is it unreasonable to expect the professional ANDA member dealers to inform potential buyers that a coin has been cleaned?
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='50457' dateline='1401270796'Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='50451' dateline='1401269609'I think 'cleaning' is sometimes a matter of opinion and at times somewhat academic?
no different to the issues that are being raised with the rarity coin company that folded in WA?
Yes, people have different opinions about cleaning. But nowadays with most high end coins being bid on or assessed by buyers who want to slab coins is it unreasonable to expect the professional ANDA member dealers to inform potential buyers that a coin has been cleaned?
For high value coins eg over $5000 I believe that there is a moral obligation.