PCGS coin - return journey help
Hi Guys,
I am waiting for my very first PCGS graded coins to return from US. According to tracking and Australia post help line the package is stuck in customs .. Is this normal ? When I rang Aus Post help desk they said their "investigation team is looking into the issue ". Anyone had any issues with custom before and what is the best way to get the shipment released ?
Thanks guys...
BTW declared package value is ~ $1500
I am still waiting for a batch from NGC that left New York on 12/5.
Customs may have a "Backlog"
Quote from: 'trout' pid='49963' dateline='1400879056'I am still waiting for a batch from NGC that left New York on 12/5.
Customs may have a "Backlog"
Thanks trout, so you just wait for the custom to clear it etc. no need to follow up ?
Thanks for the info mate.:wavemulticolor:
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='49964' dateline='1400879803'Quote from: 'trout' pid='49963' dateline='1400879056'I am still waiting for a batch from NGC that left New York on 12/5.
Customs may have a "Backlog"
Thanks trout, so you just wait for the custom to clear it etc. no need to follow up ?
Thanks for the info mate.:wavemulticolor:
Yes all you can do is wait, I know that is frustrating especially as this is your first submission.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='49966' dateline='1400880074'Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='49964' dateline='1400879803'Quote from: 'trout' pid='49963' dateline='1400879056'I am still waiting for a batch from NGC that left New York on 12/5.
Customs may have a "Backlog"
Thanks trout, so you just wait for the custom to clear it etc. no need to follow up ?
Thanks for the info mate.:wavemulticolor:
Yes all you can do is wait, I know that is frustrating especially as this is your first submission.
Thanks again mate, this wait is killing me ....
Sounds like Customs have your package as it was declared over $1,000. You'll get a letter from them and have to prove you sent the goods out and likely have to pay GST for them to release them. That is always a pain in the butt.
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='49973' dateline='1400885345'Sounds like Customs have your package as it was declared over $1,000. You'll get a letter from them and have to prove you sent the goods out and likely have to pay GST for them to release them. That is always a pain in the butt.
Thank you PP, that's a real pain in the butt. :dodgy:
I do not get the logic as why I have to pay GST to release the coins... I can prove I send the coins to US for grading (I have the documentation to prove it) ... If this is the case it is economically unviable to send coins to US for grading unless I am getting some very high value coins graded...
Thanks anyway... More and more Tax ... Oh well, what can I do ?
Don't worry, you will not have to pay GST.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='49976' dateline='1400886647'Don't worry, you will not have to pay GST.
Thanks Emu, if I have to pay GST, it would be better for me to buy graded coins from a dealer than getting raw coins graded... Let's see what happen...
Thank you guys for all your responses...
Hi Guys, for those who have done PCGS or NGC grading submission, what did you have to do to get the coins cleared from customs ? It's been 3 weeks and 3 email exchanges, nothing is happening... any guidance is greatly appreciated.... Thank you...
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='52137' dateline='1402480015'Hi Guys, for those who have done PCGS or NGC grading submission, what did you have to do to get the coins cleared from customs ? It's been 3 weeks and 3 email exchanges, nothing is happening... any guidance is greatly appreciated.... Thank you...
I can't help you Mate I have never had a real problem like this (touch wood) PP or Mark may have more insight about this and I am certain that Feathers would know :ok:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='52139' dateline='1402480930'Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='52137' dateline='1402480015'Hi Guys, for those who have done PCGS or NGC grading submission, what did you have to do to get the coins cleared from customs ? It's been 3 weeks and 3 email exchanges, nothing is happening... any guidance is greatly appreciated.... Thank you...
I can't help you Mate I have never had a real problem like this (touch wood) PP or Mark may have more insight about this and I am certain that Feathers would know :ok:
Thanks mate.. do you have to do anything when you get your packages ?
Just an assumption, would we be eligible for exemption as it is Australian goods being returned ?
http://customs.gov.au/site/page5350.asp#e950
Is the PCGS slab an alteration to the item ?
QuoteThanks mate.. do you have to do anything when you get your packages ?
All I have to do is sign for them then rip them open and show my Mate what I got back that owns the general store where my post office is. :angel:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='52144' dateline='1402481873'QuoteThanks mate.. do you have to do anything when you get your packages ?
All I have to do is sign for them then rip them open and show my Mate what I got back that owns the general store where my post office is. :angel:
What's the trick? Have you ever had coins worth over $1000 coming back ?:idea:
I would ring them and ask what's happening. They put deadlines on getting info from you after which you get charged fees so you want to get it sorted asap. Whether or not you have to pay gst (which is really what they want) we have always talked our way out of. Provide a copy of the outgoing post receipt and your id.
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='52146' dateline='1402482049'Quote from: 'trout' pid='52144' dateline='1402481873'QuoteThanks mate.. do you have to do anything when you get your packages ?
All I have to do is sign for them then rip them open and show my Mate what I got back that owns the general store where my post office is. :angel:
What's the trick? Have you ever had coins worth over $1000 coming back ?:idea:
Only on a couple of occasions and one of them was dealt with by Eric and I don't think there was a problem there either
Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='52142' dateline='1402481527'Just an assumption, would we be eligible for exemption as it is Australian goods being returned ?
http://customs.gov.au/site/page5350.asp#e950
Is the PCGS slab an alteration to the item ?
Or.. Code 9705. Only problem is I think pre-decimal may still be legal tender ?
http://www.customs.gov.au/webdata/resources/files/chapter97notes.pdf
http://www.customs.gov.au/webdata/resources/files/chapter97goods_a.pdf
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='52148' dateline='1402482190'I would ring them and ask what's happening. They put deadlines on getting info from you after which you get charged fees so you want to get it sorted asap. Whether or not you have to pay gst (which is really what they want) we have always talked our way out of. Provide a copy of the outgoing post receipt and your id.
Thanks PPH, I have provided the outgoing Australia post declaration, PCGS invoice in an email when requested... now they want N10 form. I will submit it to tomorrow and see what happens.... it is frustrating, if they want GST then say that... don't kill time... When I call I get the answer" we have emailed you, if you have replied please wait 5 days and we will get back to you.".. This was happening for the last 3 weeks...
Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='52153' dateline='1402482544'Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='52142' dateline='1402481527'Just an assumption, would we be eligible for exemption as it is Australian goods being returned ?
http://customs.gov.au/site/page5350.asp#e950
Is the PCGS slab an alteration to the item ?
Or.. Code 9705. Only problem is I think pre-decimal may still be legal tender ?
http://www.customs.gov.au/webdata/resources/files/chapter97notes.pdf
http://www.customs.gov.au/webdata/resources/files/chapter97goods_a.pdf
I am pretty sure that we don't have to pay a cracker as we haven't bought anything, simply have had it "Repackaged" :)
Randomly unlucky ausproofs
Quote from: 'runway' pid='52207' dateline='1402496082'Randomly unlucky ausproofs
Very much so .... :dodgy:
Okay, I had to fill all the paperwork and submit to customs... Then the unthinkable happened.. the second shipment from PCGS turned up today.. that one had a higher declaration value ($1950) ... So I can not understand the double standards... The package has a clear declaration that says "Returning goods "... So it seems the first package is very unlucky !!! Oh well.. s... Happens ..
I can't advise on the correct method of clearing your coins as this depends on the case, but the method I use is as followed:
Fill the N10 form, the declaration for the contents is as followed:
Description of goods: Returning Australian Goods
Tariff Classification: 71181000
Concession: GST Ex 417
Send it along with the outgoing consignment note to postimportsnsw@customs.gov.au with the message that the package contains Australian coins being returned after an appraisal.
They send me a bill for $49 clearance fee, I pay it, I get my coins.
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='52248' dateline='1402554449'I can't advise on the correct method of clearing your coins as this depends on the case, but the method I use is as followed:
Fill the N10 form, the declaration for the contents is as followed:
Description of goods: Returning Australian Goods
Tariff Classification: 71181000
Concession: GST Ex 417
Send it along with the outgoing consignment note to postimportsnsw@customs.gov.au with the message that the package contains Australian coins being returned after an appraisal.
They send me a bill for $49 clearance fee, I pay it, I get my coins.
Thank you Walter , I have done that today... Only thing is I didn't put 147 GST ex. Code... It took customs 3 weeks and 5 call to tell me this ... Thanks again for your helpful post..
Sorry to read about the dramas you are having Mate.
It is stressful enough waiting for the coins to arrive in the US, Then the wait at the TPG without having to be Messed about by the Customs Mob.
Did they give you a reason why they held them up and why the extra charges ?
Quote from: 'trout' pid='52259' dateline='1402560778'Sorry to read about the dramas you are having Mate.
It is stressful enough waiting for the coins to arrive in the US, Then the wait at the TPG without having to be Messed about by the Customs Mob.
Did they give you a reason why they held them up and why the extra charges ?
No , not at all mate.. I am not sure what I have to pay if they want me to pay anything ... Just frustrating..
anyways
did you get some nice coins returned today?
are they lovely little treasures?
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='52263' dateline='1402564978'anyways
did you get some nice coins returned today?
are they lovely little treasures?
Yes I did Robbie, they are fantastic... These were the results I posted the other day... Some good and some disappointing results.. specially the 1941 3D and 1963 1/2 Proof Penny.. overall it was a good result... A PR67 6D and a PR66 Florin...
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='52268' dateline='1402565557'Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='52263' dateline='1402564978'anyways
did you get some nice coins returned today?
are they lovely little treasures?
Yes I did Robbie, they are fantastic... These were the results I posted the other day... Some good and some disappointing results.. specially the 1941 3D and 1963 1/2 Proof Penny.. overall it was a good result... A PR67 6D and a PR66 Florin...
Now can we can have pic's of these well travelled and incarcerated beauties :) :yahoo:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='52269' dateline='1402565678'Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='52268' dateline='1402565557'Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='52263' dateline='1402564978'anyways
did you get some nice coins returned today?
are they lovely little treasures?
Yes I did Robbie, they are fantastic... These were the results I posted the other day... Some good and some disappointing results.. specially the 1941 3D and 1963 1/2 Proof Penny.. overall it was a good result... A PR67 6D and a PR66 Florin... and 1941 3D in MS 63
Now can we can have pic's of these well travelled and incarcerated beauties :) :yahoo:
Since you asked me nicely , Yes.. give me 15 mins or so....:wavemulticolor:
Here we go.. I have included my latest decimal proof as well.. its a 66 Proof PR69DC. Also I have a pic of PR67 6D, PR 66 Florin, 1963 Proof Penny PR65RD and Proof Half Penny 64RD.
http://s1265.photobucket.com/user/ausproofs/slideshow/
"They send me a bill for $49 clearance fee, I pay it, I get my coins"
srsly?!? you have to pay a fee to get what is rightfully yours?
that is crap
QuoteHere we go.. I have included my latest decimal proof as well.. its a 66 Proof PR69DC. Also I have a pic of PR67 6D, PR 66 Florin, 1963 Proof Penny PR65RD and Proof Half Penny 64RD.
Truly Nice coins Mate :drooling:
I would have been fretting rather badly knowing these were in the hands of the Customs Ruffians. If they were my coins :)
The value amount that Customs should be picking up is the declared value - this should be completely different to the declared value on the PCGS paperwork, but the invoice value that PCGS have charged you.
Anything PCGS over $1,000 indicates a decent sized batch - is that correct? You certainly shouldn't be paying GST or even getting caught up in this paperwork for $1,000 - $2,000 worth of coins. If it is the latter there could be a problem with the way PCGS are declaring the value of the parcels.
Although I've had relatively large parcels from PCGS in the past, the only time I had one caught up in Customs was one about 3 weeks ago. I got it cleared (without paying the fee or submitting the N10 form) by emailing Customs and advising them that they were goods being returned.
I submitted a copy of the outbound eparcel manifest (showing the items were sent from Australia), as well as the emails from PCGS demonstrating receipt, and then dispatch (including the EMS parcel number). The submission and parcel numbers all aligned across the different items of correspondence, so it was pretty straightforward.
What kills me is the delay - another 3 weeks on what is an already long process.
well said Andrew and thanks
This blank form gets sent back with any submission. I haven't had any problem since I started using it. I put any magic number on it I feel like under $1,000 and it shouldn't get picked up by customs. It's completely irrelevant to the declarations on the actual submission form.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/pcgs-customs.jpg)
Quote from: 'acrellin' pid='52322' dateline='1402622308'The value amount that Customs should be picking up is the declared value - this should be completely different to the declared value on the PCGS paperwork, but the invoice value that PCGS have charged you.
Anything PCGS over $1,000 indicates a decent sized batch - is that correct? You certainly shouldn't be paying GST or even getting caught up in this paperwork for $1,000 - $2,000 worth of coins. If it is the latter there could be a problem with the way PCGS are declaring the value of the parcels.
Although I've had relatively large parcels from PCGS in the past, the only time I had one caught up in Customs was one about 3 weeks ago. I got it cleared (without paying the fee or submitting the N10 form) by emailing Customs and advising them that they were goods being returned.
I submitted a copy of the outbound eparcel manifest (showing the items were sent from Australia), as well as the emails from PCGS demonstrating receipt, and then dispatch (including the EMS parcel number). The submission and parcel numbers all aligned across the different items of correspondence, so it was pretty straightforward.
What kills me is the delay - another 3 weeks on what is an already long process.
Thank you Andrew, I have done exactly what you described above via email. However after 3 weeks , 3 emails and 5 phone calls they wanted me to do the form. I think it depends on the customs officer you get and how helpful he/she wants to be...let's se what happens...
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='52326' dateline='1402627068'This blank form gets sent back with any submission. I haven't had any problem since I started using it. I put any magic number on it I feel like under $1,000 and it shouldn't get picked up by customs. It's completely irrelevant to the declarations on the actual submission form.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/pcgs-customs.jpg)
That's where I made the mistake. We put the declared coin value on this form, not the pcgs invoice value. I'll know for next time.
nice pictures in the slideshow, man if I could see all coins like that I could pic the winners out in a heartbeat
Where do you entre the tracking number?