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Australian Coins, Banknotes and Exonumia => Australian Errors and Varieties => Topic started by: Robster on May 23, 2014, 09:47:28 AM

Title: 1964 Penny 'very scarce' vs. 'rare'.
Post by: Robster on May 23, 2014, 09:47:28 AM
1964Y. Penny with die crack - rim at Roo's nose through star *to* toe is rated at very scarce.!

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o787/robster836/032_zps0dd7f125.jpg)

Images of the rarer version of 'die crack - rim to rim at Roo's nose through star and *through* toes.' Also shows faint die crack through PEN of Penny and from 4 to tail. Fishtailing is evident on the top of lettering (PENNY), and wonderful metal flow combined with a golden coloured planchet.

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o787/robster836/039_zpsbb27d34e.jpg)

The Obverse also displays some laminations and carbon streaks, plus a funky nose and metal flow.!

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o787/robster836/041_zpsf5e450c7.jpg)

Love it when I find a coin with lots of 'stuff' going on.:dance2:
Title: RE: 1964 Penny 'very scarce' vs. 'rare'.
Post by: Unicorn on May 23, 2014, 09:57:28 AM
Nice ones Robster !!! ....... One for your Obverse! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtzoUu7w-YM&feature=kp)
Title: RE: 1964 Penny 'very scarce' vs. 'rare'.
Post by: ausjack on May 23, 2014, 11:17:54 AM
Very nice Robster :good:
Title: RE: 1964 Penny 'very scarce' vs. 'rare'.
Post by: Robster on May 23, 2014, 11:21:14 AM
"Don't look Ethel". :haha:
Title: RE: 1964 Penny 'very scarce' vs. 'rare'.
Post by: accumulator on May 23, 2014, 01:54:17 PM
Very nice Robster, doubling on 96 on the 1st one too.
Title: RE: 1964 Penny 'very scarce' vs. 'rare'.
Post by: Robster on May 23, 2014, 02:38:03 PM
Yes Accu, I have always considered it as doubling but thanks to Fred Levers' catalogue I now know it as "recut dates".! I have about 30 of these and all show this 'doubling' along with a filled die on the figure 1.
Title: RE: 1964 Penny 'very scarce' vs. 'rare'.
Post by: accumulator on May 23, 2014, 02:42:28 PM
Cool,thanks Robster,ya learn something new every day.
Title: RE: 1964 Penny 'very scarce' vs. 'rare'.
Post by: robbiegal on May 24, 2014, 09:59:28 AM
1964 M bearded Queen
rates as 'rare' in Rennicks
and I reckon this example is even rarer
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a585/auntyrobbs/1964beardedqueen9_zpsf86c715c.jpg)(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a585/auntyrobbs/1964beardedqueen2_zps8679640a.jpg)
Title: RE: 1964 Penny 'very scarce' vs. 'rare'.
Post by: Robster on May 24, 2014, 10:08:48 AM
Magnificent example Robbie.!! :yahoo:
Title: RE: 1964 Penny 'very scarce' vs. 'rare'.
Post by: emu666 on May 24, 2014, 10:36:19 AM
Quote from: 'Robster' pid='49903' dateline='1400821683'Yes Accu, I have always considered it as doubling but thanks to Fred Levers' catalogue I now know it as "recut dates".! I have about 30 of these and all show this 'doubling' along with a filled die on the figure 1.

Fred's a nice bloke but I don't agree with him on this one.
They are not recut dates.
It is most likely be due to strike doubling (the Americans call this machine doubling).
In the date area of Australian pennies this is due to strike doubling where the hammer die has moved as it is being retracted when the coin has just been struck. A severe form of this occurs on a lot of the Melbourne Mint pennies in the late 1940s to early 1950s. In the  early days the Perth Mint used the obverse as the hammer die so any strike doubling would show on the obverse. Sometime the early 1960s they changed to using the reverse as the hammer die so you can see signs of strike doubling (although not as spectacular as on the Melbourne issues) in the date areas of the Perth pennies.


This site is an interesting read:
strike (machine) doubling---
http://error-ref.com/machine-doubling-.html

hub doubling---
http://error-ref.com/doubled-dies.html
Title: RE: 1964 Penny 'very scarce' vs. 'rare'.
Post by: Robster on May 24, 2014, 12:07:33 PM
"All information is gratefully accepted". Thanks, reading now.!! :ok:
Title: RE: 1964 Penny 'very scarce' vs. 'rare'.
Post by: autocoupler on May 24, 2014, 07:26:30 PM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='49985' dateline='1400891368'1964 M bearded Queen
rates as 'rare' in Rennicks
and I reckon this example is even rarer
[img]

That is the mother of all beards robbiegal, absolutely sensational.
Title: RE: 1964 Penny 'very scarce' vs. 'rare'.
Post by: purplepennyhunter on May 24, 2014, 07:36:57 PM
certainly the best Lizzy beard I've ever seen!!!
Title: RE: 1964 Penny 'very scarce' vs. 'rare'.
Post by: runway on May 25, 2014, 12:35:38 AM
Great links emu
Fred Lever is awesome like you