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Numismatic Discussion => Coin and Banknote Grading => Topic started by: serial on May 13, 2014, 02:02:27 PM

Title: grading help
Post by: serial on May 13, 2014, 02:02:27 PM
trying to do my 1st submission but cant find the following coins
1888 b raised 1/4 rupee india brit
closest I get with online submission is
863162 1888(c) 1/4 Rup Without mint mark  MS

how do I fill the online form out if I don't have the pcgs number?
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: markn on May 13, 2014, 02:17:39 PM
We write ours out by hand and when there's no PCGS number we put the KM# in.  There's still a lot of coins without PCGS numbers.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: purplepennyhunter on May 13, 2014, 03:00:10 PM
If you do the online form (oh now I forget) is it 40 coins then it borks and you have to start over. Or 20 coins, I don't remember. I got just a little cranky one day when it did that to me.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on May 13, 2014, 06:08:35 PM
how are we meant to pack the coins. is anyone able to put a pic up of how they transport them?
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: markn on May 13, 2014, 06:27:59 PM
Quote from: 'serial' pid='49023' dateline='1399970315'how are we meant to pack the coins. is anyone able to put a pic up of how they transport them?

We put them in saflips.  Put the coins in a sealable glad bag.  Wrap the lot in bubble wrap and tape.  Put that in a box and pack the box out so there's no movement.  Then 100% cover the box in fiber reinforced tape.  We go to these extremes because we've had two submissions refused by PCGS at the other end.  One must have been with a case of wine that broke and came back soggy and smelling like a wino.  Luckily all the internal plastic stopped any coin damage. The other one had be stomped on and the side of the box had split.  Since the splitting incident we tape the box with 100% coverage.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: keldaw on May 13, 2014, 06:50:06 PM
OH, gee thanks heaps for the heads up Mark as that's really good to know, AJ
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: purplepennyhunter on May 13, 2014, 07:14:24 PM
We've recently started double boxing the whole thing, box in a box. Dodgy postal workers have been known to break the side of a package and pull something out of it and pocket it. This removes that potential problem.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: JeffH on May 13, 2014, 07:22:33 PM
Doesn't matter what you do; sometimes you will lose. I sent a rather valuable lot of coins to Turkey a few months ago.
Signature on delivery, tracking and extra cover.
Never heard of again after getting to Sydney airport.
Extra cover (insurance)? Well, forget that, Turkey has restrictions on importing currency! So "numismatics" is not covered. Big argument between definition of numismatics and "currency" -waste of time. What, refund your premium because we would not cover you? Certainly not!
Don't you just love dealing with big corporations, especially when two of them can shuttle you back and forth? (Meant to be sarcastic.)
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on May 13, 2014, 08:04:39 PM
thanks all for the advice
so after I do the online form, do I print a copy of and enclose with the package, and how do you label each saflap
also what happens if you list the wrong coin on the submission form ( I am sending an old indian rupee and may have the wrong type)
I also know they don't do hammered coins on reg submission but milled is fine right?
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: nealeffendi on May 13, 2014, 08:05:20 PM
Probably the biggest reason I have not sent any coins to get slabbed is I couldn't face the heartbreak of losing them in the mail. Reading Mark and Jeffs horror stories doesn't inspire confidence.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: JeffH on May 13, 2014, 08:07:40 PM
That, thankfully, is the exception. Postage to "mainstream" (for want of a better word) countries is mostly reliable.
Please don't let my bad experience put you off.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: markn on May 13, 2014, 08:13:01 PM
Quote from: 'serial' pid='49035' dateline='1399977279'thanks all for the advice
so after I do the online form, do I print a copy of and enclose with the package, and how do you label each saflap
also what happens if you list the wrong coin on the submission form ( I am sending an old indian rupee and may have the wrong type)
I also know they don't do hammered coins on reg submission but milled is fine right?

Put the submission number and line number on the flip with an adhesive sticker.  If you put the wrong coin number on the coin there's every chance it'll be slabbed wrong (mechanical error).  Any sort of milled coin should be fine even some hammered.  We've sent a couple of pagodas which are very crudely made and they've graded fine.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on May 14, 2014, 10:37:14 AM
ok so I have now sent it, aus post thinks it should get there by fri but worst case Monday. how long does it take pcgs to log it in?
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: markn on May 14, 2014, 10:39:14 AM
Quote from: 'serial' pid='49044' dateline='1400029634'ok so I have now sent it, aus post thinks it should get there by fri but worst case Monday. how long does it take pcgs to log it in?

They can do it on the same day they get it, they can take a week.  Once you've sent the package I strongly advise you to think about something else until you get an email from PCGS saying your grades are ready.  Excessive Impatience While Waiting For PCGS Grades is now a known mental condition which many members here suffer from and I'd hate to see you join our ranks :)
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on May 14, 2014, 11:09:05 AM
to late :)
I want my results now :(
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: ausproofs on May 14, 2014, 09:45:10 PM
Quote from: 'markn' pid='49045' dateline='1400029754'
Quote from: 'serial' pid='49044' dateline='1400029634'ok so I have now sent it, aus post thinks it should get there by fri but worst case Monday. how long does it take pcgs to log it in?

They can do it on the same day they get it, they can take a week.  Once you've sent the package I strongly advise you to think about something else until you get an email from PCGS saying your grades are ready.  Excessive Impatience While Waiting For PCGS Grades is now a known mental condition which many members here suffer from and I'd hate to see you join our ranks :)

I am suffering from that condition, every morning and around 12 Sydney time I check my PCGS account for grades... No luck yet... :dodgy:
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on May 16, 2014, 11:50:57 AM
am I able to send this coin
http://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/australia-20-dollars-km-519-2000-cuid-46316-duid-129209
in to pcgs under this service with other post 65 stuff I have (eg incuse 50, 2006 12 sided proof 50 etc)
MODERN (1965 to date) $16 $20 $1000 20 - 30 days

note it is a gold/silver bimetal coin
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: markn on May 16, 2014, 11:52:55 AM
Quote from: 'serial' pid='49258' dateline='1400206857'am I able to send this coin
http://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/australia-20-dollars-km-519-2000-cuid-46316-duid-129209
in to pcgs under this service with other post 65 stuff I have (eg incuse 50, 2006 12 sided proof 50 etc)
MODERN (1965 to date) $16 $20 $1000 20 - 30 days

Yes.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on May 16, 2014, 12:08:13 PM
thanks markn I was worried the gold would be an issue
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on May 20, 2014, 12:11:10 PM
so according to aus post the coin has been signed for at PCGS but I still get this

"Orders Not Found


Could not display orders"
how long before this updates?
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: markn on May 20, 2014, 12:20:24 PM
Quote from: 'serial' pid='49596' dateline='1400553670'so according to aus post the coin has been signed for at PCGS but I still get this

"Orders Not Found


Could not display orders"
how long before this updates?

Could be tomorrow, could be next week.  Depends on how long it takes them to enter orders into their system.  The fact that it has been accepted at the other end means you can stop worrying just a tiny bit :)
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on June 10, 2014, 04:25:47 PM
they have had the coins 15 days as of tomorrow
fingers crossed I get results then :)
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: stevo1962 on June 10, 2014, 04:31:24 PM
Quote from: 'serial' pid='51963' dateline='1402383347'they have had the coins 15 days as of tomorrow
fingers crossed I get results then :)

2-3 weeks is what I've noticed that it usually takes
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on June 10, 2014, 05:14:21 PM
The best I have had is 20 days and the worst way 38 days .
It all depends how busy they are :ok:

I try not to look every day on the PCGS and NGC sites to see if they are done, but Hay I'm only human and just can't help myself and check anyway.

It is a "Buzz" to see that list fill the screen eventually :)
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on June 11, 2014, 09:33:56 AM
well it says their service is currently 15 days on rep international so it is 15 days in their system as of today usa time.
still nothing but I hope by the end of week :)
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on June 11, 2014, 09:37:22 AM
Quote from: 'serial' pid='52045' dateline='1402445036'well it says their service is currently 15 days on rep international so it is 15 days in their system as of today usa time.
still nothing but I hope by the end of week :)

The days are counted in "Working Days" the weekends don't count :)
Also the regular world turnaround time is 24 days at the moment
The world modern is 23 days and a cheaper rate a well :dance2:
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on June 11, 2014, 10:30:27 AM
I am counting working days :)

aaahhh that changed in the last 4 days!!!!!!
24 days from 15 WTF!
that did this because they got my order!
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: stevo1962 on June 11, 2014, 10:40:56 AM
Quote from: 'serial' pid='52050' dateline='1402448427'I am counting working days :)


aaahhh that changed in the last 4 days!!!!!!
24 days from 15 WTF!
that did this because they got my order!

You'll get your results eventually and after you've submitted coins a couple of times you won't be so anxious.You'll get the results when they're done
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on June 11, 2014, 10:46:35 AM
Quoteafter you've submitted coins a couple of times you won't be so anxious.You'll get the results when they're done

*I have a potty mouth*
Everyone gets a little anxious when it gets nearly time for the results regardless of how many times you have submitted coins before. :)

It does get frustrating at times seeing this on your order page after clicking the order link.
Much more satisfying to see a list of coins and grades, Especially when you have forgotten exactly what you sent in the first place :dash1:

Total; Items                  31
Date Received              5/15/2014
Date Shipped                N/A
Order Status                  OK
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on June 11, 2014, 11:03:02 AM
this is mine
Total Items: 8
Date Received: 5/21/2014
Date Shipped: N/A
Order Status: OK
hhmm 31 items trout, you put me to shame
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: stevo1962 on June 11, 2014, 11:17:04 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='52053' dateline='1402449395'
Quoteafter you've submitted coins a couple of times you won't be so anxious.You'll get the results when they're done

*removed*
Everyone gets a little anxious when it gets nearly time for the results regardless of how many times you have submitted coins before. :)
 

 Maybe you can't control yourself Jim but it does get easier when you've done a few submissions and I said you wont be so anxious.I didnt say that you won't give a *removed*
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: markn on June 11, 2014, 11:24:34 AM
Can you lot keep your language under control please?
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on June 11, 2014, 11:29:13 AM
QuoteMaybe you can't control yourself Jim but it does get easier when you've done a few submissions and I said you wont be so anxious.I didnt say that you won't give a *removed*

HeHeHe
I suppose you are right Mate.
A bit like giving up Smoking, The first 20 years are the hardest :angel:
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: emu666 on June 11, 2014, 12:01:07 PM
Quote from: 'serial' pid='52055' dateline='1402450382'this is mine
Total Items: 8
Date Received: 5/21/2014
Date Shipped: N/A
Order Status: OK
hhmm 31 items trout, you put me to shame


This was the largest individual submission we sent:
https://www.pcgs.com/Membership/SharedOrder.aspx?OrderNo=20611717
It took them only 45 days to be do that submission.

Recently our bulk orders (100 to 120 coins in each) took 14 weeks.

How long they take depends upon the type of submission but also on how difficult any of the coins are to grade - authentication, potential problems that may or may not cause a bodybag and how many are borderline between one grade and another.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on June 11, 2014, 12:22:19 PM
QuoteIt took them only 45 days to be do that submission.

I would have taken me longer just to write out the stickers to put on the flips and fill out the paperwork :angel:
I recon it would have taken two blokes just to lift the box you sent it away in.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on June 11, 2014, 01:46:34 PM
wow emu! that is huge. I cant believe in that many coins you still didn't get a ms70!!
you must get a discount in a bulk order like that?
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: nealeffendi on June 11, 2014, 05:05:59 PM
Emu, had a look at that list, why was the halfpenny questioned about the colour and is that a hair on the '57 MS66 shilling? You would think that they could do better than that when you pay good money for the photos.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: purplepennyhunter on June 11, 2014, 05:46:59 PM
Questionable colour (http://www.myemoticons.com/emoticons/images/msn/our-favourite/raspberry.gif)

edit: just realised that was 2012. I've had at least one questionable colour regraded since about then so they've for the most part figured that out.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: Robster on June 11, 2014, 05:51:49 PM
"Utter, Utter, Utter Bas#$#ds.!! ( r.i.p. Rick.) :angel:
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: nealeffendi on June 11, 2014, 07:13:49 PM
I looked again at that shilling and that hair is inside the slab. So not only did the guy doing the slab ef up but the photographer also effed up in not reporting it.
Considering a hair/fibre is not only unsightly it is also a risk to the coin (hair oils, acidic etc). So do they fix the stuff ups (reslab) and who pays the postage each way?
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: emu666 on June 11, 2014, 09:00:56 PM
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='52136' dateline='1402479829'I looked again at that shilling and that hair is inside the slab. So not only did the guy doing the slab ef up but the photographer also effed up in not reporting it.
Considering a hair/fibre is not only unsightly it is also a risk to the coin (hair oils, acidic etc). So do they fix the stuff ups (reslab) and who pays the postage each way?

The coins are photographed during grading; i.e. before the coin is put in the slab.
There was no hair in the slab with the coin. I would have noticed it as it was my coin.

Most of the body bags in that submission were someone else's coins that we sent over. The halfpenny of course should not have been body bagged.
I'm still waiting for trout to check all the milleniums in that submission.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on June 11, 2014, 09:17:58 PM
QuoteI'm still waiting for trout to check all the milleniums in that submission.

Nothing really to comment on Feathers.
You have already put a link up to that MS64 coin before and I have seen those  images on Walters site :ok:
BTW they are pretty crappy images and I imagine the coin is FAR better in hand
Have you resubmitted it to get it properly attributed yet with PCGS yet ?
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: emu666 on June 11, 2014, 09:20:40 PM
I pulled it out today so as to do that.
I'll take a scan and see how it comes out.

Why were there pictures of it on Walter's site?

Some heavy bagmarks but blazing lustre.

(http://www.thesandpit.net/pcgs/26046494_o.JPG)

(http://www.thesandpit.net/pcgs/26046494_r.JPG)
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on June 11, 2014, 09:35:39 PM
QuoteWhy were there pictures of it on Walter's site?

Your coin was the image on the old site as an example of a MS64 coin.
Is that in a new holder?
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: emu666 on June 11, 2014, 09:42:56 PM
That was the holder it came back in.

Scanned with the coin tilted to try to get the lustre to show better.

(http://www.thesandpit.net/pcgs/26046494_o2.JPG)


(http://www.thesandpit.net/pcgs/26046494_r2.JPG)


Don't think it helped much. This is one coin that really needs to be photographed.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on June 11, 2014, 09:50:11 PM
QuoteDon't think it helped much. This is one coin that really needs to be photographed.

May I suggest sending it to Mark, He can make a coin look exactly like it is in hand. :good:
and maybe , just maybe he will give you the coin back :angel::laugh2:
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on June 14, 2014, 07:52:39 PM
so if pcgs say a coin has au details cleaned and I know it hasn't been cleaned how do I dispute the bodybag before they send it back?
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on June 14, 2014, 08:11:14 PM
Quote from: 'serial' pid='52495' dateline='1402741359'so if pcgs say a coin has au details cleaned and I know it hasn't been cleaned how do I dispute the bodybag before they send it back?

You can re submit it, you can send it to NGC for grading but if it still comes back "Details" you will have to re think how you grade.
Normally 99% of the time if NGC or PCGS states the coin has been cleaned they are right on the money.
Unless you are absolutely 100% certain that they got it wrong don't throw good money after bad is my advice :ok:
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on June 14, 2014, 08:15:24 PM
well I am pretty sure. I am happy with my other results still
I got 4 top of the pops and 1 number 2 :)
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on June 14, 2014, 08:19:34 PM
Quote from: 'serial' pid='52500' dateline='1402742724'well I am pretty sure. I am happy with my other results still
I got 4 top of the pops and 1 number 2 :)

Nicely done Mate :yahoo:
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on June 14, 2014, 10:32:02 PM
CS1214 5 Mu KM-9 Burma Genuine - AU Details (92 - Cleaned)  
1888-B 1/4 Rup Raised India MS63  
1890-C 1/4 Rup   India MS64  
 1936 6D   Gr.Britain MS64  
1751 6D   Gr.Britain AU53  
1758 6D   Gr.Britain XF45  
VS1885 Rupee KM-20.1 Sikh Empire Genuine - AU Details (98 - Damage)
1882-C 2 An   India MS64  

this is how I went. can I get them to review the  "cleaned " coin before they post it back?
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on June 14, 2014, 10:39:07 PM
Quotethis is how I went. can I get them to review the "cleaned " coin before they post it back?

I don't think so. Normally when they give you the results they are already in the mail :ok:
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: Nightparrot on June 15, 2014, 08:02:14 AM
If you feel strongly about it PCGS have a "Reconsideration" service but, of course, there are more fees involved. You would need to be confident of a different result. And remember, to get the grade you got at least two graders have looked at your coin.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: markn on June 15, 2014, 09:10:21 AM
Quote from: 'serial' pid='52495' dateline='1402741359'so if pcgs say a coin has au details cleaned and I know it hasn't been cleaned how do I dispute the bodybag before they send it back?

You can't.  PCGS have vastly more experience that anyone on this forum will ever have detecting cleaned coins so while you "know" it hasn't been cleaned there's a good chance it has.  Just in way you cannot detect.  We've had a few coins come back "cleaned" that we swore we not.  But when they've returned close examination has revealed something we didn't notice.

That being said, try sending it back in but be prepared to pay $$ and be prepared for the same answer.  You might also consider sending it to NGC.  I have a number of coins (mostly early 19th century Spanish/Brazilian colonial) that PCGS called cleaned and I can't see what they are talking about.  But they all have a similar "look" so if something has been done to them it's the same with all of them and it's something I do not recognise. When I get around to it I'll send them into NGC and see what they think.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on June 15, 2014, 09:23:37 AM
QuoteI have a number of coins (mostly early 19th century Spanish/Brazilian colonial) that PCGS called cleaned and I can't see what they are talking about. But they all have a similar "look" so if something has been done to them it's the same with all of them and it's something I do not recognise.

I would imagine that a lot of these types of coins spent long periods of time at sea in wooden chests on sailing vessels .
Maybe the humidity and the oils in the wood have affected the coins is some way or another.
Or maybe the roll and pitch of the ship moved the coins in the chests as well.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on June 18, 2014, 01:42:28 PM
how is this ms66
http://www.pcgs.com/pop/valueview.aspx?s=205045
better than this
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29812279.html

oh and pcgs take crap pics!
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: Unicorn on June 18, 2014, 01:49:01 PM
:laugh2: ..... perhaps beauty is in the eye of the beholder?

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11067/beehive.jpg)
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on June 18, 2014, 02:09:23 PM
hhhmm not sure what that picture means but yes I will agree that the other has eye appeal with the toning but mine has a almost perfect strike, is covered in lustre and besides a small little spot right in the middle of the coin is perfect
I am not sure why my coin didn't get up to 66
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: stevo1962 on June 18, 2014, 02:23:30 PM
Quote from: 'serial' pid='52850' dateline='1403066363'hhhmm not sure what that picture means but yes I will agree that the other has eye appeal with the toning but mine has a almost perfect strike, is covered in lustre and besides a small little spot right in the middle of the coin is perfect
I am not sure why my coin didn't get up to 66

 Unicorn means beeholder/beholder.Your king looks to have less hair on in maybe
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on June 18, 2014, 02:54:17 PM
ooohh lol that's funny!
totally missed that here
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: markn on June 18, 2014, 06:07:14 PM
Quote from: 'serial' pid='52845' dateline='1403064748'how is this ms66
http://www.pcgs.com/pop/valueview.aspx?s=205045
better than this
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29812279.html


oh and pcgs take crap pics!

Well there's two things that stand out immediately.  The first one has stunning toning.  The second one has ugly toning or perhaps a poorly neutralised dip.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: markn on June 18, 2014, 06:11:04 PM
Quote from: 'serial' pid='52850' dateline='1403066363'hhhmm not sure what that picture means but yes I will agree that the other has eye appeal with the toning but mine has a almost perfect strike, is covered in lustre and besides a small little spot right in the middle of the coin is perfect

It's not perfect.  The toning doesn't look too attractive and the "little black spot" is not that little and is RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COIN and is very distracting.  PCGS don't like spots or streaks.  And they really don't like them in the middle of the coin.

QuoteI am not sure why my coin didn't get up to 66

When you see a 66 in hand I am sure it will be obvious.  Stop trying to grade from photos.  If I'm ever in Perth I'll bring over some MS66 GB sixpences for you to look at.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: robbiegal on June 18, 2014, 06:15:17 PM
to me the MS66 is a far better looking coin
if they were in a dealers cabinet I'd be taking the rainbow one  home
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: markn on June 18, 2014, 06:16:57 PM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='52867' dateline='1403081117'to me the MS66 is a far better looking coin
if they were in a dealers cabinet I'd be taking the rainbow one  home

Me too.  Here's a couple of MS66's for you.

(http://www.mycoinalog.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/great-britain-1919-6d-pcgs-ms66.jpg)
(http://www.mycoinalog.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/great-britain-1926-6d-pcgs-ms66.jpg)
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on June 18, 2014, 06:31:04 PM
QuoteWhen you see a 66 in hand I am sure it will be obvious.

From MS65 and above the difference IS obvious regardless of which Country the coin comes from :ok:
I would suggest buying a couple of the Cheaper MS66 slabs if you don't already have any  just to see the way they look "In Hand"
I have to agree with Markn about grading from images, You can get close to a grade from them but to make a confident and accurate assessment of a coin you have to have it in hand.

I have bought many coins using just images thinking "This will grade well" only to receive them and think "Aw Crap" another Dog :dash1:
Sometimes I get "Lucky" but this is a rare event :angel:
Your sixpence IS a nice coin but the other one is a stunner that is why it is two points higher in grade :ok
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on June 21, 2014, 02:29:47 PM
how did your submission go trout?
got your results yet?
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on June 24, 2014, 10:44:56 AM
so I got a couple of coins I want to get graded but I have 6 that fall into the modern world category and a couple that fall in the economy category. can I submit them in the same package? on the same form and if I can do I need to do anything different?
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on June 27, 2014, 07:38:00 AM
Quote from: 'serial' pid='53199' dateline='1403326787'how did your submission go trout?
got your results yet?

Not Yet :dash1:
They have been there since 15/5/14 or 31 working days.
The turnaround time for World modern is 23 days according to the PCGS site.
Maybe it is the few 2014 coins I sent that ay not have a coin number as yet that is slowing the process.
Either way they are taking their sweet time with this submission, it is only 31 coins so its not as if it is a big submission.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: duggee27 on July 03, 2014, 04:30:29 PM
ok guys and gals your expert guesstimate on grade and colour
i have my thoughts.. but not telling
and naturally are they slabbable...
these could be mine

(http://i59.tinypic.com/25h0g87.jpg)

(http://i59.tinypic.com/30uzp5w.jpg)
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: Fr45h3R on July 03, 2014, 06:05:03 PM
Quote from: 'duggee27' pid='53979' dateline='1404370829'ok guys and gals your expert guesstimate on grade and colour
i have my thoughts.. but not telling
and naturally are they slabbable...
these could be mine

(http://i59.tinypic.com/25h0g87.jpg)

(http://i59.tinypic.com/30uzp5w.jpg)

Hmm, early Perth Mint proofs don't normally get massive high grades. Hard to tell from those pics.
I'd be guessing PR62RB on them.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: dcoin on July 03, 2014, 07:06:06 PM
Quote from: 'duggee27' pid='53979' dateline='1404370829'ok guys and gals your expert guesstimate on grade and colour
i have my thoughts.. but not telling
and naturally are they slabbable...
these could be mine

(http://i59.tinypic.com/25h0g87.jpg)

(http://i59.tinypic.com/30uzp5w.jpg)

Cant tell from status images, however, all id say is be weary of coins which didn't sell at auction. There is generally a reason (either condition or price).
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: duggee27 on July 04, 2014, 08:44:31 PM
thanks dcoin
did more research and am declining the offer
will just wait for the right one ... if only $$$ was not a worry!!
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on July 19, 2014, 08:17:19 PM
This is mine!!!!
http://www.pcgs.com/pop/valueview.aspx?s=828368
I havnt got the official results yet but it seems the population report is updating with all my coins (unless someone happened to put the same coins in at the same time.
Looks like I have a few more number ones :) :)
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on July 25, 2014, 08:56:55 AM
got some results :)
1938 Crown   Australia Genuine - AU Details (92 - Cleaned)  
1934-35 Florin Centennial Australia MS61  
1927(m) 1D   Australia MS64RB  
1687 2D Mdy   Gr.Britain XF45  
1883-C 2 An   India MS63+  
1883-C 2 An   India MS63+  
1878(c) 2 An B/II India AU58  
1901(c) 1/12 An   Awadh MS63RB  
1913(c) 1/4 An   India MS64RD  
1907(c) 1/12 An   India MS64RB  
1904(c) 1/12 An   India MS64RB  
1899(c) 1/12 An   India MS64RD  
1903(c) 1/2 Pc   India MS63RB  

I am not surprised about the crown, but with the all fakes I thought it best to get it certified as real
I thought the same would happen with the 34 so that was a surprise!

crap! I just realised the 27 is a top of pops! :yahoo:

I put a modern grading in at the same time I put my economy but I haven't got them result yet. weird that
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: markn on July 25, 2014, 09:25:25 AM
Quote from: 'serial' pid='55473' dateline='1406244415'got some results :)
1938 Crown   Australia Genuine - AU Details (92 - Cleaned)  
1934-35 Florin Centennial Australia MS61  
1927(m) 1D   Australia MS64RB  
1687 2D Mdy   Gr.Britain XF45  
1883-C 2 An   India MS63+  
1883-C 2 An   India MS63+  
1878(c) 2 An B/II India AU58  
1901(c) 1/12 An   Awadh MS63RB  
1913(c) 1/4 An   India MS64RD  
1907(c) 1/12 An   India MS64RB  
1904(c) 1/12 An   India MS64RB  
1899(c) 1/12 An   India MS64RD  
1903(c) 1/2 Pc   India MS63RB  

I am not surprised about the crown, but with the all fakes I thought it best to get it certified as real
I thought the same would happen with the 34 so that was a surprise!


crap! I just realised the 27 is a top of pops! :yahoo:


I put a modern grading in at the same time I put my economy but I haven't got them result yet. weird that

Some nice numbers there. Congrats.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on July 25, 2014, 09:52:01 AM
Nice results Serial :good:
My submission with the Indian coins isn't done yet, i'm hoping to get some MS results as well.
Probably won't be as successful as your submission though :)
Can you post some of the cert numbers so that we can see the crappy PCGS images?
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on July 25, 2014, 11:54:21 AM
pictures are still not up. when they are I will upload them

can anyone tell me if the 27 penny is an indian die?

my crappy pic
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/1927_Aus_penny_a.JPG)
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: markn on July 25, 2014, 11:58:37 AM
It's not an indian.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on July 25, 2014, 01:13:41 PM
thanks markn!
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on July 25, 2014, 02:31:55 PM
sigh I just got the pics, what should I do?
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/1883_india_2_anna_ms_63_plus_a.png)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/1883_india_2_anna_ms_63_plus_b.png)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/1901_india_12th_anna_ms_63rb.png)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/1907_india_12th_anna_ms_64rb.png)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/1904_india_12th_anna_ms_64rb.png)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/1899_india_12th_anna_ms_64rd.png)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/1903_india_half_pice_ms_63rb.png)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/1878_india_2_annas_au_58.png)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/1687_uk_2_pence_maundy_xf45.png)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/1927_aus_penny_ms_64rb.png)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/1934_aus_centenery_florin_ms61.png)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/1938_aus_crown_au_details.png)
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: nealeffendi on July 25, 2014, 02:50:37 PM
Is it a fault in PCGS loading the images into the database? Might there be the proper images in their records that a few keystrokes by them will fix.
Or will the coins need to go back to be rephotographed? (at whose expense, especially the hefty shipping costs).
First Trout, now you, something is really wrong in California.:(
Maybe you should remind them about customer care and their reputation when those images are put into your Set Registry for everyone to see.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on July 25, 2014, 02:59:02 PM
Quotesigh I just got the pics, what should I do?

Welcome to MY World, Despite my emails and the crappy reply I received from PCGS it is quite evident that the standards in the imaging department have not improved one iota.
My submission of 65 silver proofs was sent without the "Secure" option and saved myself  $325 by NOT opting for this garbage.

QuoteMaybe you should remind them about customer care and their reputation when those images are put into your Set Registry for everyone to see.
What a GOOD idea Neil :good:
The reply I got from PCGS regarding my last submission debacle was along the lines of send em back and we will have another go at it, NO apology and some BS about being a "Mechanical error" regardless of the wrong designation on the slab.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: markn on July 25, 2014, 03:03:06 PM
Well that's a steaming pile.  I've started a thread on the PCGS forums (http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=6&threadid=923051&STARTPAGE=1) about it.  I hope we get some reaction.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on July 25, 2014, 03:04:11 PM
What response did you get when you emailed them trout?
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: markn on July 25, 2014, 03:04:43 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='55507' dateline='1406266142'
Quotesigh I just got the pics, what should I do?

Welcome to MY World, Despite my emails and the crappy reply I received from PCGS it is quite evident that the standards in the imaging department have not improved one iota.
My submission of 65 silver proofs was sent without the "Secure" option and saved myself  $325 by NOT opting for this garbage.


QuoteMaybe you should remind them about customer care and their reputation when those images are put into your Set Registry for everyone to see.
What a GOOD idea Neil :good:
The reply I got from PCGS regarding my last submission debacle was along the lines of send em back and we will have another go at it, NO apology and some BS about being a "Mechanical error" regardless of the wrong designation on the slab.

I understand your frustration.  But again I believe choosing secure plus for modern coins is essentially a waste of money.  You did well to avoid it regardless of the quality of images you would have got.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on July 25, 2014, 03:06:02 PM
Quote from: 'markn' pid='55509' dateline='1406266386'Well that's a steaming pile.  I've started a thread on the PCGS forums (http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=6&threadid=923051&STARTPAGE=1) about it.  I hope we get some reaction.

BRAVO Mark :good:
I had NO idea that site existed .
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on July 25, 2014, 03:06:47 PM
Lol cat amongst pigeons I still havent emailed them!
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on July 25, 2014, 03:19:19 PM
I just had a look at my set registry and it looks like there is a way to upload your own images of your coin, Can anyone confirm this?
If so it would be a far better option than the secure plus and even the trueview if your camera skills are up to it .
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: markn on July 25, 2014, 03:20:56 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='55516' dateline='1406267359'I just had a look at my set registry and it looks like there is a way to upload your own images of your coin, Can anyone confirm this?
If so it would be a far better option than the secure plus and even the trueview if your camera skills are up to it .

Yes, you can upload your own images.  I can confirm that.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on July 25, 2014, 03:25:37 PM
QuoteYes, you can upload your own images. I can confirm that.

AWSOME, Now to get to know my new camera set up when it gets here.
Even my childish pics at the moment will be better that the secure ones up there :ok:
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: nealeffendi on July 25, 2014, 03:44:57 PM
How SECURE are non PCGS images? If you ever want to sell the coin and the prospective buyer finds the only images are not official but some back alley jobs  then what happens? They will assume that the slab is a Chinese fake because all genuine Secure coins should have legit images.
I understand that you have no intention of selling, but you (or your heirs) might need the money.
How long is the period that PCGS will reslab "mechanical errors", forever or a statute of limitations type of time limit?
And good on you Mark for raising it on the PCGS forum. Lots of heavy hitters over there who can get the attention of management.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on July 25, 2014, 04:36:06 PM
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='55523' dateline='1406268897'How SECURE are non PCGS images? If you ever want to sell the coin and the prospective buyer finds the only images are not official but some back alley jobs  then what happens? They will assume that the slab is a Chinese fake because all genuine Secure coins should have legit images.
I understand that you have no intention of selling, but you (or your heirs) might need the money.
How long is the period that PCGS will reslab "mechanical errors", forever or a statute of limitations type of time limit?
And good on you Mark for raising it on the PCGS forum. Lots of heavy hitters over there who can get the attention of management.

The images supplied via secure plus at the moment are pretty much useless to identify any coin given the quality of them.
A decent photo regardless of who takes it will identify the coin without any doubt
The bar code and the cert # are enough to ensure that the coin is a genuine PCGS graded and certified coin when the coin is sold.
As far as the coins in my set registry go I would much rather a quality photo accompany the coin than a shabby secure image :ok:
Even armed only with my amateur photographic skills even  I can come up with a far superior image than PCGS
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: nealeffendi on July 25, 2014, 06:09:38 PM
Trout,for most pre decimals the image is as good as a mug shot. All the bumps and tarnish do that.
The counterfeiters have been known to copy details from a real slab to a fake slab and insert a lower grade coin into the fake slab (the other option is to carefully crack a real slab and replace the coin with a lower  grade). Put a MS64 Canberra into a MS66 slab and  pocket an easy grand, the real slab can be sold later or cracked out for resubmission. With an image the buyer of the counterfeit slab will enter the number and see differences in the coin.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on July 25, 2014, 06:17:13 PM
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='55541' dateline='1406277578'Trout,for most pre decimals the image is as good as a mug shot. All the bumps and tarnish do that.
The counterfeiters have been known to copy details from a real slab to a fake slab and insert a lower grade coin into the fake slab (the other option is to carefully crack a real slab and replace the coin with a lower  grade). Put a MS64 Canberra into a MS66 slab and  pocket an easy grand, the real slab can be sold later or cracked out for resubmission. With an image the buyer of the counterfeit slab will enter the number and see differences in the coin.

Out of focus and out of frame, Bloody AWSOME mugshot this could be any coin.

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/bs.png)
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: Fr45h3R on July 25, 2014, 06:19:15 PM
I want to know what my coins are being put on to be photographed.
From the looks of it, it looks automated to some extent ?
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: robbiegal on July 25, 2014, 07:21:11 PM
yeah - i'd agree
they might have some sort of a conveyer belt or something like that
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: Robster on July 25, 2014, 10:48:50 PM
Looks like an 'ejector arm' on a slidey, scratchy metal surface.! :dontknow:
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on July 25, 2014, 11:04:47 PM
These are MY images of the same coin taken through the Perspex of the slab with a point and shoot camera, Surely this mob has high end equipment manned by professionals.
Yair Right :dash1:  
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1969_1c2.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1969_1c1.jpg)
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: markn on July 26, 2014, 07:26:44 AM
Serial and Trout can you please PM me the cert numbers of the coins that haven't been cropped properly.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on July 26, 2014, 08:52:10 AM
When I fill in my submission form (By Hand) I don't put the PCGS number in the column for 2 reasons,
a/ I wouldn't have a clue what the number is
b/ That is part of what I am  paying PCGS to do so I let them do their own work.
All the coins go in individual saflips with a sticker stating the coin # and submission #
The coins are the securely padded and double packaged for posting.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on July 26, 2014, 09:12:09 AM
Is that picture taken with your new camera trout?
Because it is good!
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on July 26, 2014, 09:26:02 AM
Quote from: 'serial' pid='55585' dateline='1406331729'Is that picture taken with your new camera trout?
Because it is good!

No, I haven't received my new setup yet.
Maybe next week it should be here :good:
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on July 26, 2014, 02:06:33 PM
I am spewing.
I just noticed that I inadvertently ticked the "Secure" box on my other submission of 20 coins that haven't been graded yet.
IF I have the same problem again with the images I will be demanding a refund for the extra $100 the submission will cost me.
As far as I am concerned they will have failed in their contractual obligations if they stuff it up again.
I am SOOO glad I didn't opt for the secure option on the 65 coin submission I sent in last week :yahoo:
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: markn on July 29, 2014, 11:25:46 AM
Trout and Serial can you check the secure plus images again on the cert numbers you gave me to get fixed up?
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on July 29, 2014, 11:39:42 AM
Quote from: 'markn' pid='55780' dateline='1406598946'Trout and Serial can you check the secure plus images again on the cert numbers you gave me to get fixed up?

ALL sorted.
Why can't they check the images in the first place instead of having to fix things after people  whinge about them.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: markn on July 29, 2014, 11:47:53 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='55785' dateline='1406599782'
Quote from: 'markn' pid='55780' dateline='1406598946'Trout and Serial can you check the secure plus images again on the cert numbers you gave me to get fixed up?

ALL sorted.
Why can't they check the images in the first place instead of having to fix things after people  whinge about them.

I think the better question to ask is why the process allows it to happen in the first place.  One of the first principles of quality improvement is that you cannot inspect quality into a process.  So sort out the problems with the process rather than try to catch mistakes by checking everything.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on July 29, 2014, 12:29:15 PM
well I am happy they sorted it out. now ask them what is happening with the modern submission I put in at the same time that I still don't have the results for :P
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: markn on July 29, 2014, 12:43:34 PM
Quote from: 'serial' pid='55796' dateline='1406602755'well I am happy they sorted it out. now ask them what is happening with the modern submission I put in at the same time that I still don't have the results for :P

Ahaha you're on your own there :P
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on July 29, 2014, 01:04:37 PM
Its frustrating because modern is meant to be quicker than economy but my economy order results came through last week?!? Should I be worried? Could it be because some coins may be worth more than the modern tier allows if the have graded highly?
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: markn on July 29, 2014, 01:23:01 PM
Quote from: 'serial' pid='55802' dateline='1406604877'Its frustrating because modern is meant to be quicker than economy but my economy order results came through last week?!? Should I be worried? Could it be because some coins may be worth more than the modern tier allows if the have graded highly?

No, don't be worried.  I think I told you a while back that you should stop thinking about the coins once PCGS had them.  I suggest you do that to stop needless concern :)
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on July 29, 2014, 02:10:59 PM
QuoteNo, don't be worried. I think I told you a while back that you should stop thinking about the coins once PCGS had them. I suggest you do that to stop needless concern Smile

Good advice and I wish I could follow it, I still check the PCGS site every morning :angel:
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on August 05, 2014, 09:09:59 AM
I am still waiting! should I send them an email or something?
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on August 05, 2014, 09:22:15 AM
Quote from: 'serial' pid='56186' dateline='1407195599'I am still waiting! should I send them an email or something?

World Modern 26 days World economy 27 days is what the turnaround times are at the moment.
If your submission was received 30/6/14 it has been there for 25 working days.
Give it another week :ok:
I had a submission that was received 15/5/14 and wasn't shipped until 3/7/14.
Sometimes they do it fast and sometimes they are very slow, All we can do is wait.
I have also noticed that they only answer emails when they want to :angel:
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on August 09, 2014, 08:01:55 AM
Why is it SOOO hard to get an Australian coin graded as MS70 or PR70?
I look at the "Shared Listings" page on the PCGS site and see US coins graded 70 all the time.
Are the coins minted by RAM inferior to the US coins in some way?
There are a tiny few Australian coins  graded 70 but they are very few and far between.
I have had 114 decimal coins graded so far by PCGS 41 of which made PR/MS69 , NO 70 grades.
It just seems strange than there were no FDC coins in that 41:angel:
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: ausjack on August 09, 2014, 08:26:05 AM
They haven't done any because they're waiting for me to send mine and then we'll have some :angel:
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: wwwww on August 09, 2014, 10:19:11 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='56493' dateline='1407537115'Why is it SOOO hard to get an Australian coin graded as MS70 or PR70?
I look at the "Shared Listings" page on the PCGS site and see US coins graded 70 all the time.
Are the coins minted by RAM inferior to the US coins in some way?
There are a tiny few Australian coins  graded 70 but they are very few and far between.
I have had 114 decimal coins graded so far by PCGS 41 of which made PR/MS69 , NO 70 grades.
It just seems strange than there were no FDC coins in that 41:angel:

What precludes a PR70DC grading isn't usually minting flaws, but rather tone spots acquired since production. You can send 2013 sets and you'll get plenty of PR69-70 graded coins, but if you send sets from the 70s you'll be lucky to get PR69s because they've had decades to degrade.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: ausjack on August 09, 2014, 10:28:22 AM
Gee thanks very much Walter, good way to make me feel old mate as the 70's aren't that old..are they :( Personally I think it's the best year of all and very special as an :angel:  was born :laugh2: come on you lot lighten up a little, that's pretty funny even if I do say so me self :D
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on August 09, 2014, 10:36:15 AM
Thanks Walter that makes sense :good:
I will persevere regardless and am sending another 78 and 79 proof sets in for grading with the rest of this years 25mm coins :angel:
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: ausproofs on August 10, 2014, 01:32:03 PM
Hey Folks,

I have 2 Shillings I want to get some opinions on grading. One is a NGS MS65 graded coin, other is a PCGS MS64 graded coin (this I think was graded many moons ago, with a green color PCGS label etc). Here are the question,

1. 1938 Shill - NGC MS65 - would this cross over to PCGS, if not would it make at least MS64 (PCGS) ?

2. 1941 Shill - PCGS MS 64 - Is it worth resubmitting to see if It would make MS 65 ? (I would Highly doubt it .. but worth a shot).

Pic are below for your expert opinions :yahoo:

[attachment=2898][attachment=2899][attachment=2900][attachment=2901]


Here is the link to High Res Photos.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/124691928@N05/
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: echidna on August 10, 2014, 04:25:34 PM
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='56610' dateline='1407643323'Hey Folks,

I have 2 Shillings I want to get some opinions on grading. One is a NGS MS65 graded coin, other is a PCGS MS64 graded coin (this I think was graded many moons ago, with a green color PCGS label etc). Here are the question,

1. 1938 Shill - NGC MS65 - would this cross over to PCGS, if not would it make at least MS64 (PCGS) ?

2. 1941 Shill - PCGS MS 64 - Is it worth resubmitting to see if It would make MS 65 ? (I would Highly doubt it .. but worth a shot).



The 38 is very nice and looks PCGS 65 to me.
I dont think the 41 would get any higher.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: ausproofs on August 10, 2014, 04:38:46 PM
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='56620' dateline='1407653734'The 38 is very nice and looks PCGS 65 to me.
I dont think the 41 would get any higher.

Many thanks for your input !
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on August 12, 2014, 08:43:52 AM
finally got my results, it was a bit of a miced bag and I am unhappy at some results
1966 50C   Australia PR65DC  
1966 20C   Australia PR68DC  
1966 10C   Australia PR68DC  
1966 5C   Australia PR69DC  
 1966 2C   Australia Genuine - UNC Details (94 - Altered Surf.)  
1966(c) 1C   Australia PR65DC  
 2000 50C Millennium Incuse Flag Australia MS62  
 2000 $1 Lunar View Australia PR69DC  
 2000 $20 Millennium Au-Ag Bi-Metallic Australia PR69DC  
 2000 $20 Millennium Au-Ag Bi-Metallic Australia PR69DC  
 nd(2000) $20 Federation Australia PL69  
  1972 5C  ms64
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: ausjack on August 12, 2014, 08:49:02 AM
So what was so bad serial as they don't look to bad really as the only thing I can see are the 66 2c and 72 but still pretty good..gee I'll take them :)
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on August 12, 2014, 08:49:41 AM
Nice results Mate
:wavemulticolor:
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on August 12, 2014, 09:02:03 AM
the 72 should have gone higher
as should have the 50 proof
and the 66 2 cent proof wtf it came from the same un molested proof set. altered surfaces my arse
the incuse however makes me happy and the 69dc 5 cent
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on August 12, 2014, 09:06:17 AM
Quote from: 'serial' pid='56784' dateline='1407799923'the 72 should have gone higher
as should have the 50 proof
and the 66 2 cent proof wtf it came from the same un molested proof set. altered surfaces my arse
the incuse however makes me happy and the 69dc 5 cent

I would say the incuse coin would be the pick of the bunch and by far the toughest coin to get.
Well Done, Can't wait for some images when you finally get them back from the states :good:
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on August 12, 2014, 11:12:15 AM
yes the incuse was the one I was sweating the most about. it will be put in my collection for long term storage next to my mule. out of interest and because I need to assign a value for my insurance data base could you give me an idea how much you think it is worth? you are the go to man on these coins
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: Australian coin on August 12, 2014, 11:23:33 AM
you should note what you spent for the coin and that's about it.

insurance should be replacement value

a quick eBay search >> ungraded cheapest sold for  $14 average $24 from circulation and $56 being highest
graded coins are a bit harder >> APCGS $46 - $89
PCGS approx. >>$300 but no sale confirmed Best offer accepted - no price shown
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on August 12, 2014, 11:25:42 AM
I know what I paid for it but it dosnt take into account the time I spent looking for one.
I am sure trout sold 2 of them recently in the au -ms range
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: Australian coin on August 12, 2014, 11:26:20 AM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2000-Fifty-Cent-Millennium-Incused-Flag-PCGS-AU53-/251613581665?pt=AU_Coins2&hash=item3a95569161
currently for sale
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on August 12, 2014, 11:32:27 AM
Quote from: 'serial' pid='56791' dateline='1407807735'yes the incuse was the one I was sweating the most about. it will be put in my collection for long term storage next to my mule. out of interest and because I need to assign a value for my insurance data base could you give me an idea how much you think it is worth? you are the go to man on these coins

I sold a MS62 coin on eBay for about $1200 a while back , I regret doing it now but what is done is done.
I think you would really struggle to get one of these in MS62 for under $1500 so that's what I would use as a figure for the insurance company :ok:
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on August 12, 2014, 11:41:40 AM
thanks trout, that's what I need for insurance and to convince the missus to let me send a new batch off :)
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: Australian coin on August 12, 2014, 11:42:36 AM
wooow
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on August 12, 2014, 11:55:03 AM
I think trout once did a write up on them and what he said made sense to me. that finding one of these in ms is hard as the variant was discovered quite late in their circulation history so the only ones that have survived in ms are accidental hoarded coins. A bit like the one I sent off that came from a collection someone had put aside every year from 1966 in the year they were released. they just happened to accidentally put an incuse aside and sold it to me 14 years later :)

look at the great pics they took :dodgy:
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30488411.html

that brings my total top of pops to 22 :)
granted I own the entire population for some but who is looking at that
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on August 12, 2014, 01:39:46 PM
NOT a very flattering image at all Mate :P
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on August 12, 2014, 01:51:15 PM
yet they can get this one right
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30488412.html
maybe they don't like to photograph non silver coins
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on August 18, 2014, 10:11:49 PM
So I got the coins today and the 1966 2c slab had a but more detail. It stated that the coin was lacquered something I didn't notice when I sent it but now u can see it! I heard that the mint did this to some coins but I hadn't seen it before myself. Does this make it rarer? More desirable or junk  that is not gradable?
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: robbiegal on August 19, 2014, 08:18:48 AM
the mint did lacquer some sets but as I understand that was only a trial and only about 6 sets (I think)
collectors are also known to lacquer sets esp. in the USA and England

I have viewed a lacquered set which was done by the guy who owned it when he worked at the mint - you would have to know what you were doing to pick it - impeccable job
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on August 19, 2014, 09:02:04 AM
could one of them slipped into a set?
would it increase its value?
this is the cert
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30488409.html
it is very well don't. I only could see it under magnification and when looking for it
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: robbiegal on August 19, 2014, 04:47:51 PM
:(
link didn't work
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: ausjack on August 19, 2014, 04:54:22 PM
link worked for me!
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: robbiegal on August 19, 2014, 04:54:54 PM
I will try again

yup link just worked
honestly I can't tell much from those photos
those mottle spots could be anything I suppose

the lacquered set that I have seen was PERFECT
the most perfect 1966 decimal proof set that I have ever seen
the coppers were exquisite
not a single mark or tiniest spot on any of the coins

as I said - i'd doubt that it would be picked up by even those who claim to be the best

you'd have to prove providence and then I guess the 'trial' line
as I understand it was a small group of sets that were done on an experimental basis but I know no more than that
personally i'd think that you would have to have a complete set and something that evidences the claim to have the rarity value
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: purplepennyhunter on August 19, 2014, 05:55:52 PM
Here's a link with a quote from the RAM report about how they prepared the 1966 proof sets (http://www.australian-threepence.com/collecting-coins/australian-1966-proof-set/).
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: robbiegal on August 19, 2014, 07:56:47 PM
this part is interesting
wonder what that was ... might have to make a phone call

"The finished coins are sprayed to prevent tarnishing before being packed in cases."
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on August 22, 2014, 07:35:31 PM
I just sent a new submission in and have recieved advice from the courier that it arrived thurs (their time) I went online to check the order and my account has the message "Could not display orders"
anyone else here getting this on their previous and current orders?
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on September 12, 2014, 06:28:25 PM
wtf just happened???
world modern just blew out to 51 days?!!?!?
http://www.pcgs.com/Statistics/
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: Nightparrot on September 12, 2014, 06:46:23 PM
Quote from: 'serial' pid='58993' dateline='1410512305'wtf just happened???
world modern just blew out to 51 days?!!?!?
http://www.pcgs.com/Statistics/

Strange as the target is only 10 days. Looks like they need to put more resources into modern coins.....
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on September 12, 2014, 07:55:35 PM
when they got my coins it was 15 days. now 15 days later it is 51. not happy here!!!
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on September 17, 2014, 06:05:40 AM
Quote from: 'serial' pid='58995' dateline='1410517535'when they got my coins it was 15 days. now 15 days later it is 51. not happy here!!!

The turn around times are now back to normal :good:
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on September 17, 2014, 11:32:45 AM
I saw that. hopefully I should get some results soon
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on September 17, 2014, 11:51:56 AM
Quote from: 'serial' pid='59275' dateline='1410919365'I saw that. hopefully I should get some results soon

When was your submission received and what type of submission was it?
I have 2 world modern submissions at PCGS received 26/8 and 12/9 respectively, I don't expect any results for at least a week or so on the first one and at least a month on the second :angel:
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on September 17, 2014, 12:17:47 PM
22/8 it was received and I have multiples of the same coin so it should be easier and quicker for them. I hope for a result in the next 7 days
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on September 18, 2014, 11:27:15 AM
so I got my results today and it was a bit of a mixed bag. the 68 1 cents was a massive let down and the 2005 $2 and 5 c
but the stand out was the mule that I noodled not long ago and the 65rd no sd 2 cent! I am very happy with that top of the pops
2014 $1 Mob of Roos Al-Br Australia MS66  
2000 $1 Mule-Struck w/10C Obv Die Australia AU58  
2005 $2   Australia MS68  
 2005 5C   Australia MS68  
2005 10C   Australia MS69  
2005 50C Remembrance Australia MS69  
2006 50C   Australia PR69DC  
1968 1C   Australia MS64RD  
1968 1C   Australia MS64RD  
1968 1C   Australia MS64RD  
1968 1C   Australia MS65RD  
1968 1C   Australia MS64RD  
1969 2C   Australia MS65RD  
1969 2C   Australia MS66RD  
 1969 2C   Australia MS66RD  
1969 2C   Australia MS65RD  
1969 2C   Australia MS66RD  
1969 2C   Australia MS64RD  
1969 2C   Australia MS66RD  
1969 2C   Australia MS65RD  
1967 2C w/o SD initials Australia AU50BN  
1967 2C w/o SD initials Australia MS63BN  
1967 2C w/o SD initials Australia MS64RD  
1967 2C w/o SD initials Australia MS64RD  
1967 2C w/o SD initials Australia MS63RD  
1967 2C w/o SD initials Australia MS65RD  
1967 2C w/o SD initials Australia MS63RD
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on September 18, 2014, 11:45:23 AM
Were the 2005 coins from a wedding set ?
Awesome results on the no SD coins Mate :yahoo:
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on September 18, 2014, 11:48:12 AM
yeh a bit of a disappointment. I was hoping for a 70 and 69 at worse
the no sd's make up for it. very rare to get in ms much less red
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on September 18, 2014, 02:38:15 PM
this is the 65rd I got
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30653368.html
I am very happy with that one. anyone here got any idea how much it is worth? I gotta tell the missus how this grading went before I can send a new lot
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: stevo1962 on September 18, 2014, 03:05:28 PM
Quote from: 'serial' pid='59407' dateline='1411016895'this is the 65rd I got
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30653368.html
I am very happy with that one. anyone here got any idea how much it is worth? I gotta tell the missus how this grading went before I can send a new lot

Bluesheet value has it at $790
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on September 18, 2014, 03:15:56 PM
that surprises me. seems a bit low for a top of the pop coin this rare
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: ausjack on September 18, 2014, 03:21:29 PM
I think it's more about demand than supply with coins serial, so just have to put your price on and wait for the right buyer. Very nice coin so you just never know what it will pull.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: Unicorn on September 18, 2014, 03:31:54 PM
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='59418' dateline='1411019489'I think it's more about demand .....

:laugh2: ...... you's DeMan AJ!
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: ausjack on September 18, 2014, 03:42:47 PM
don't be DeTurd Uni :winkextra:
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: Unicorn on September 18, 2014, 03:44:59 PM
ROFL!!!!

Touché AJ!!!
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: ausjack on September 18, 2014, 03:52:20 PM
Mate I have to get one in a blue moon :friends:
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on September 18, 2014, 04:07:01 PM
I don't think you wasted and money when you had that lot graded Mate, Nicely done :good:
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: nealeffendi on September 18, 2014, 04:26:10 PM
Quote from: 'serial' pid='59407' dateline='1411016895'this is the 65rd I got
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30653368.html
I am very happy with that one. anyone here got any idea how much it is worth? I gotta tell the missus how this grading went before I can send a new lot

Why does the PCGS describe the population as N/A?
Does N/A mean not applicable or not available?
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: ausjack on September 18, 2014, 04:42:44 PM
Wow now that's a really good question Neal because you'd think they'd know how many there are considering they graded it so it should by rights read at least one.

Must be not applicable because it doesn't apply for some reason.

and if you look here you'll see that there are a few on the pop and for a few different years as well so who know the one putting the info into the computer must be sick and will be added at some time :) http://www.pcgs.com/Pop/detail.aspx?c=5072

a total of 44 have been graded
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: Fr45h3R on September 18, 2014, 04:57:34 PM
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='59436' dateline='1411023370'
Quote from: 'serial' pid='59407' dateline='1411016895'this is the 65rd I got
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30653368.html
I am very happy with that one. anyone here got any idea how much it is worth? I gotta tell the missus how this grading went before I can send a new lot

Why does the PCGS describe the population as N/A?
Does N/A mean not applicable or not available?

Population report was last updated on 17/09, so probably before the coins were graded.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on September 18, 2014, 05:03:21 PM
I won't be selling the 65 anytime soon but I am considering selling one of the lower graded ones to justify to the boss the cost of grading.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on September 22, 2014, 10:13:07 AM
Coins arrived today just as I was sending my next lot off to get graded. I am sure glad customs didn't grab them!
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on September 22, 2014, 10:20:55 AM
Quote from: 'serial' pid='59824' dateline='1411346587'Coins arrived today just as I was sending my next lot off to get graded. I am sure glad customs didn't grab them!

Piccies or it didn't happen Mate :P
I think a later batch of coins will get here before the lot those Customs Louts messed about with :dash1:
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on September 22, 2014, 10:49:54 AM
I will put some pics together soon. we just got a new cat so I have my hands full atm
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: serial on September 22, 2014, 12:07:37 PM
this is the end roll tonner that got a brown designation
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/67_no_sd_63bn_k.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/67_no_sd_63bn_j.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/67_no_sd_63bn_i.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/67_no_sd_63bn_h.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/67_no_sd_63bn_e.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/67_no_sd_63bn_b.JPG)

this is the ms65 rd no sd
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/P9220103.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/P9220102.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/P9220101.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/P9220100.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/P9220099.JPG)

this is the ms69 2005 50 cent that is so reflective that I am going to use it as a mirror  :)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/P9220123.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/P9220122.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/P9220121.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/P9220120.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/P9220119.JPG)

the ms66 2014 I got
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/P9220118.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/P9220117.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/P9220116.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/P9220115.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/P9220114.JPG)
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: oh my florin on September 22, 2014, 01:28:18 PM
Great coins there serial the nice brown 2c with the green toning on it must look quite different in hand I would imagine.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: JeffH on September 22, 2014, 02:21:55 PM
trout,
Why didn't you warn us to don sunglasses before viewing the 2005 50¢? It is brilliant.
You must have come close to cracking 70 with that one.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on September 22, 2014, 02:32:20 PM
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='59840' dateline='1411361515'trout,
Why didn't you warn us to don sunglasses before viewing the 2005 50¢? It is brilliant.
You must have come close to cracking 70 with that one.

Not my coin Mate, Its Serials went MS69.
All the Wedding set coins are like that I'll take a coup[le of images for you, I will add a warning for Ya.
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: Unicorn on September 22, 2014, 02:34:50 PM
Totally agree, what a wonderful 2005!!!!  Exceptional!!!!

That green is a turn off for me though.

btw: Great Photos Serial!
Title: RE: grading help
Post by: trout on September 22, 2014, 03:00:56 PM
Here are three different 2004 50 cent coins .
The difference is readily apparent with these three coins, a shame that PCGS doesn't see them like this :dash1:
Whak ya sunnies on for the last coin Jeff :laugh2:

Business strike from a mint set

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/2004_50c.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/2004_5c1~0.jpg)

Proof strike from a proof set

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/2004_proof_50c.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/2004_proof_50c1.jpg)

What I call a "Specimen" strike from a wedding set

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/2004_wedding_set_50c1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/2004_wedding_set_50c.jpg)