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Title: Are these Fake ?
Post by: ausproofs on April 27, 2014, 10:49:07 AM
Hi Guys n Girls,

Here are the photos that I think are fake ( it looks more realistic when i take pictures with the flash on, so here are ones with flash on and off)... let me know what you guys think...  I will post some of my good coins next...

:yahoo:

Part 2

This is a 1938 MS65
Title: RE: Are these Fake ?
Post by: dcoin on April 27, 2014, 11:12:20 AM
Faked no, cleaned yes.
Title: RE: Are these Fake ?
Post by: ausproofs on April 27, 2014, 11:15:05 AM
Quote from: 'dcoin' pid='47551' dateline='1398562940'Faked no, cleaned yes.

Are you sure ? They look very different to any real thing I have seen.. I will take your word... Thank you for your reply.
Title: RE: Are these Fake ?
Post by: trout on April 27, 2014, 11:15:33 AM
Quote from: 'dcoin' pid='47551' dateline='1398562940'Faked no, cleaned yes.

:agreed:
The 38 shilling looks like it is an NGC slab, What is the grade on the slab?
Title: RE: Are these Fake ?
Post by: Fordprefect on April 27, 2014, 11:16:37 AM
The copper's are not fakes, just harshly cleaned/polished.
The NGC of course is genuine and a very nice example.

You should set up a "Gallery" on here to upload pics
Will look much better. :angel:

And welcome to the "Board" :wavemulticolor:
Title: RE: Are these Fake ?
Post by: ausproofs on April 27, 2014, 11:16:50 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='47554' dateline='1398563133'
Quote from: 'dcoin' pid='47551' dateline='1398562940'Faked no, cleaned yes.

:agreed:
The 38 shilling looks like it is an NGC slab, What is the grade on the slab?

Yes it is NGC MS65....

Quote from: 'Fordprefect' pid='47555' dateline='1398563197'The copper's are not fakes, just harshly cleaned/polished.
The NGC of course is genuine and a very nice example.

You should set up a "Gallery" on here to upload pics
Will look much better. :angel:

And welcome to the "Board" :wavemulticolor:

Thank you very much Ford. I would take my words back (if possible) regarding calling the copper fake..

I tried setting up a Gallery, but photos are too big, I will work on them and upload later on..
Title: RE: Are these Fake ?
Post by: dcoin on April 27, 2014, 11:22:07 AM
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='47556' dateline='1398563210'
Quote from: 'trout' pid='47554' dateline='1398563133'
Quote from: 'dcoin' pid='47551' dateline='1398562940'Faked no, cleaned yes.

:agreed:
The 38 shilling looks like it is an NGC slab, What is the grade on the slab?

Yes it is NGC MS65....

The 1938 is not cleaned I should have previously said. Then again, if something is professionally graded it doesn't mean it is not cleaned (although pcgs/ngc are generally pretty good at this).

Check out the 1923 halfpenny in the following link.

http://www.ngccoin.com/gallery/benchmark.aspx
Title: RE: Are these Fake ?
Post by: trout on April 27, 2014, 11:23:32 AM
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='47556' dateline='1398563210'
Quote from: 'trout' pid='47554' dateline='1398563133'
Quote from: 'dcoin' pid='47551' dateline='1398562940'Faked no, cleaned yes.

:agreed:
The 38 shilling looks like it is an NGC slab, What is the grade on the slab?

Yes it is NGC MS65....


Quote from: 'Fordprefect' pid='47555' dateline='1398563197'The copper's are not fakes, just harshly cleaned/polished.
The NGC of course is genuine and a very nice example.

You should set up a "Gallery" on here to upload pics
Will look much better. :angel:

And welcome to the "Board" :wavemulticolor:

Thank you very much Ford. I would take my words back (if possible) regarding calling the copper fake..

I tried setting up a Gallery, but photos are too big, I will work on them and upload later on..

The Shilling is a $2100 coin and I doubt  a fake .
Look up the cert number on the NGC site and you should see the images of your coin.
Title: RE: Are these Fake ?
Post by: ausproofs on April 27, 2014, 11:30:33 AM
Yes, Thanks guys... I have verified the 1938 Shill, it is good.. Forgot to mention I am mixing doubtful coins with the real deal in my post..
Title: RE: Are these Fake ?
Post by: trout on April 27, 2014, 11:31:55 AM
QuoteYes, Thanks guys... I have verified the 1938 Shill, it is good.. Forgot to mention I am mixing doubtful coins with the real deal in my post..
Sneaky Bugger :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:
Title: RE: Are these Fake ?
Post by: ausproofs on April 27, 2014, 11:38:54 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='47564' dateline='1398564115'
QuoteYes, Thanks guys... I have verified the 1938 Shill, it is good.. Forgot to mention I am mixing doubtful coins with the real deal in my post..
Sneaky Bugger :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:
:yahoo:

Here is my pride and joy coin... a 1911 1/2D in MS64RD
Title: RE: Are these Fake ?
Post by: ausjack on April 27, 2014, 11:41:05 AM
very nice AP :good:
Title: RE: Are these Fake ?
Post by: emu666 on April 27, 2014, 11:42:50 AM
That is a very nice coin.
Title: RE: Are these Fake ?
Post by: ausproofs on April 27, 2014, 11:43:44 AM
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='47568' dateline='1398564665'very nice AP :good:

Thanks mate... yes, endless nights searching on the net for coins to turn up  !!! I got this little gem from Germany... for hefty sum of $380 Australian.. Yes, I am not missing any digits... :yahoo:

Sometimes you have to be lucky !
Title: RE: Are these Fake ?
Post by: dcoin on April 27, 2014, 11:44:09 AM
nice coin, are you sure it is RD?
Title: RE: Are these Fake ?
Post by: ausproofs on April 27, 2014, 11:48:13 AM
Quote from: 'dcoin' pid='47571' dateline='1398564849'nice coin, are you sure it is RD?

Yes it is ...it looks more red on the hand. I will take some good photos later with proper lighting.  At least PCGS think it is red :angel:

http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28256655/
Title: RE: Are these Fake ?
Post by: dcoin on April 27, 2014, 11:53:24 AM
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='47572' dateline='1398565093'
Quote from: 'dcoin' pid='47571' dateline='1398564849'nice coin, are you sure it is RD?

Yes it is ...it looks more red on the hand. I will take some good photos later with proper lighting.  At least PCGS think it is red :angel:

http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28256655/

now I can see the colour more clearly. The 1911 is hard to get in RD compared to the 1912 of which is quite easy to find in 64RD or even higher.
Title: RE: Are these Fake ?
Post by: robbiegal on April 27, 2014, 02:21:23 PM
ausproofs
I had a look over you half's
I do agree with others re: harsh clean and dipped clean
but I have to say that there is something about that 1951 Pl halfpenny - I have matched your pics against 2 of my own - unfortunately the obv is very fuzzy on one side - it seems to come in looking genuine but it is a bit odd looking
do you have scales that can weigh a halfpenny?
harsh cleaning can make the look a bit different

ps
that 1911 is very sweet indeed
Title: RE: Are these Fake ?
Post by: ausproofs on April 27, 2014, 02:47:07 PM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='47591' dateline='1398574283'ausproofs
I had a look over you half's
I do agree with others re: harsh clean and dipped clean
but I have to say that there is something about that 1951 Pl halfpenny - I have matched your pics against 2 of my own - unfortunately the obv is very fuzzy on one side - it seems to come in looking genuine but it is a bit odd looking
do you have scales that can weigh a halfpenny?
harsh cleaning can make the look a bit different

ps
that 1911 is very sweet indeed

Thank you Robbiegal, I don't have a scale to weigh them as such. I am not very fussed with the coins.. It is just sitting here now... I have lost some money, but at the end of the day it is my fault. Seller provide photos, I should look at them carefully before buying...

PS - I love this forum ... Folks around here are seems to be very helpful... :wavemulticolor:
Title: RE: Are these Fake ?
Post by: robbiegal on April 27, 2014, 03:49:29 PM
it is good as well to load the piccies up to something like photobucket and then paste the links
although having said that, photobucket isn't working for me right now
here are 2 snaps of a 1951 pl halfpenny of mine - I was comparing your coin with mine
cheers robbie
Title: RE: Are these Fake ?
Post by: Nightparrot on April 27, 2014, 05:37:24 PM
Quote from: 'dcoin' pid='47558' dateline='1398563527'Check out the 1923 halfpenny in the following link.

http://www.ngccoin.com/gallery/benchmark.aspx

Hi Dcoin, yes, that 23 looks odd. Wonder how it would go at PCGS?
Title: RE: Are these Fake ?
Post by: ausproofs on April 27, 2014, 08:03:33 PM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='47596' dateline='1398579569'it is good as well to load the piccies up to something like photobucket and then paste the links
although having said that, photobucket isn't working for me right now
here are 2 snaps of a 1951 pl halfpenny of mine - I was comparing your coin with mine
cheers robbie

Thanks Robbiegal,I will see what I can do with the Pics... Going back to work after 10 days, not sure when I will get my life back again :dodgy:
Title: RE: Are these Fake ?
Post by: robbiegal on April 27, 2014, 08:26:37 PM
I understand 100%
I am back at work tomorrow after 8 days off which included the Easter invasion of the family, spring clean of a few cupboards and rooms etc etc - got bags of stuff all ready to go to St Vinnies  

and even cooked up a storm of various yummy ice creams and breads

back to slavery tomorrow .........  boo hoo and ho humm
I even made my lunch tonight! :angel:
Title: RE: Are these Fake ?
Post by: ausproofs on April 27, 2014, 09:22:43 PM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='47632' dateline='1398596197'I understand 100%
I am back at work tomorrow after 8 days off which included the Easter invasion of the family, spring clean of a few cupboards and rooms etc etc - got bags of stuff all ready to go to St Vinnies  

and even cooked up a storm of various yummy ice creams and breads

back to slavery tomorrow .........  boo hoo and ho humm
I even made my lunch tonight! :angel:

Hahaha.. I hear ya... I don't even get to eat lunch :yahoo:

At the end of the day it pays me to buy more coins so I convince myself to go to work !!!:wavemulticolor:
Title: RE: Are these Fake ?
Post by: robbiegal on April 28, 2014, 05:30:36 PM
a man has gotta have lunch mate
even if it's sitting in front of the computer writing e-mails like i did today!
Title: RE: Are these Fake ?
Post by: ausjack on April 28, 2014, 06:52:12 PM
and here I was thinking I was interfering with your busy work load and your just sittin around emailing RG :D
Title: RE: Are these Fake ?
Post by: robbiegal on April 28, 2014, 07:01:40 PM
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='47711' dateline='1398676932'and here I was thinking I was interfering with your busy work load and your just sittin around emailing RG :D

ha ha AJ
I do sneak in some personal e-mails ... like one today!!
in my 3 minute lunch time
I get back from a week off and have about 150 e-mails to go through mind you