A friend has one any info would be appreciated, value,rarity etc
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who signed the letter?
that would have been helpful to include in the picture
Australia $200 dollars Gold Coin 1989 "Pride of Australia"
last one sold http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Rare-1989-200-Australian-Coil-Frill-Neck-Lizard-Two-Hundred-Dollars-/161195333710?nma=true&si=XcWKsNw0PSiwanM5XsITUnU4feM%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
mintage 10,000 unc - 30,032 proof greg McDonald book 2012 pg208
original retail - $242 - 298pr
current retail $550 - 575pr
http://www.australianstamp.com/coin-web/aust/twohund/1989200d.htm
((this coin has been placed into a pendent frame))
packaging http://www.apmex.com/product/63735/austr
I have come across a half dozen of these over the years. They are official releases and the pendant came from the RAM (though I do not know where they sourced them from before packaging).
Really tough to value and most people just seem to want to melt the mount and sell the coin alone.
Probably quite a nice piece of jewelry But as a coin it is ruined :dash1:
As these are generally considered as "Bullion" coins not much harm done in my opinion.
However I just hate it when I see Canberra florins or sovereigns mounted in this fashion :cray:
it doesn't appear to have those mount clips, so perhaps the coin isn't ruined?
It appears to be "Soldered" to the coin which is far worse :dash1:
(https://www.carters.com.au/index.cfm/item/669179-australia-1989-200-coin-pendant-pride-of-australia-200-coin-in-9/)
I am just curious if these pendants are a one off OR did the RAM make pendants in other years?
Also curious if anyone knows how many of the 1000 were actually released?
They seem quite rare and quite unknown of even in numismatics.
Lots of eye appeal, lovely pieces.
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I am just curious if these pendants are a one off OR did the RAM make pendants in other years?
Also curious if anyone knows how many of the 1000 were actually released?
They seem quite rare and quite unknown of even in numismatics.
Lots of eye appeal, lovely pieces.
I would suspect that they didn't sell many as no self respecting coin collector could bare to see the unnecessary damage on such a nice coin.
Quote from: 'gweidion' pid='128103' dateline='1683009530'Quote from: 'Billenben' pid='128098' dateline='1682986667'(https://www.carters.com.au/index.cfm/item/669179-australia-1989-200-coin-pendant-pride-of-australia-200-coin-in-9/)
I am just curious if these pendants are a one off OR did the RAM make pendants in other years?
Also curious if anyone knows how many of the 1000 were actually released?
They seem quite rare and quite unknown of even in numismatics.
Lots of eye appeal, lovely pieces.
I would suspect that they didn't sell many as no self respecting coin collector could bare to see the unnecessary damage on such a nice coin.
Not sure how any of that address the questions.
"Unnecessary damage" is not how i think the RAM looked at what they were doing."
I take it the guy on eBay looking for $50k for his is not going to have much luck. Perhaps he needs to watch his back, LOL.
Interesting that RAM can make a product that ends up being to the utter contempt of self respecting coin collectors.
I actually think it is a really nice piece and given the 1989 is the most common of the Pride of Australia $200 gold series I think it is good this variation exists to take the coin beyond the confines of an album.
I have recently seen an type II Adelaide pound with a loop for a chain on it and it still fetched good $$$s.
Plenty more $200 frillys than Adelaide Pounds.
And he wouldn't get $5k, let alone 50k.
Quote from: 'Billenben' pid='128115' dateline='1683096616'Quote from: 'gweidion' pid='128103' dateline='1683009530'Quote from: 'Billenben' pid='128098' dateline='1682986667'(https://www.carters.com.au/index.cfm/item/669179-australia-1989-200-coin-pendant-pride-of-australia-200-coin-in-9/)
I am just curious if these pendants are a one off OR did the RAM make pendants in other years?
Also curious if anyone knows how many of the 1000 were actually released?
They seem quite rare and quite unknown of even in numismatics.
Lots of eye appeal, lovely pieces.
I would suspect that they didn't sell many as no self respecting coin collector could bare to see the unnecessary damage on such a nice coin.
Not sure how any of that address the questions.
"Unnecessary damage" is not how i think the RAM looked at what they were doing."
I take it the guy on eBay looking for $50k for his is not going to have much luck. Perhaps he needs to watch his back, LOL.
Interesting that RAM can make a product that ends up being to the utter contempt of self respecting coin collectors.
I actually think it is a really nice piece and given the 1989 is the most common of the Pride of Australia $200 gold series I think it is good this variation exists to take the coin beyond the confines of an album.
I have recently seen an type II Adelaide pound with a loop for a chain on it and it still fetched good $$$s.
Here is some food for thought.
Adelaide Assay Office ingot; not a coin, not currency, not really legal tender, not from a mint yet near apex numismatic.
Kangaroo Office piece: Not a coin, not a token, not legal tender, not currency, not from a mint yet near apex numismatic.
RAM 1989 $200 gold pendant: unique RAM issue item, has a legal tender currency coin at its centre yet numismatics doesn't want to know about it outside of its gold value.
The rare mint product that is allegedly worth about scrap gold price v a chunk of gold full of stamp marks and a bullion round from a failed shop.
Interesting hobby numismatics when RAM pieces have no real numismatic value and not mint items, of little meaning and no meaning respectively, are near apex.
Quote from: 'gweidion' pid='128116' dateline='1683103093'Plenty more $200 frillys than Adelaide Pounds.
And he wouldn't get $5k, let alone 50k.
Are you sure about that "plenty more" claim because i can just pick up the phone and buy an Adelaide Pound, either type.
I can't do that with a Frilly pendant.
It might be a few years until i see another Frilly on eBay and the Frilly on ebay is likely on ebay because some dealer told the guy he would give him gold value for it.
I have seen untold Adelaide pounds go through the big auction houses over the last 10 years but i can't recall a Frilly pendant.
Downies claim there are about 200 known APs
Perth mint make the same claim.
I don't know who did the tallying or how accurate it is but i do know myth grows very fast in numismatics.
I also know both their Kangaroo Office narratives are in part not very accurate (to put it kindly).
Do you have the numbers on the take up of the Frilly?
How many of the 1000 were issued?
Do you have the numbers on those disassembled to cash them in for gold value?
I know we can't answer that but we do know they have been pulled apart.
I am not too sure i would wager the APs out number the Frilly pendants given what we see in the market.
Quote from: 'Billenben' pid='128124' dateline='1683194802'I have seen untold Adelaide pounds go through the big auction houses over the last 10 years but i can't recall a Frilly pendant.
Cause hardly anyone wasted their money on them. Better off just buying the $200 coin, which wasn't all that great a buy on release. It is only now that they are worth more than they cost because of the gold value. Similar for the Kangaroo at Sunset issues.
As for numbers, you'd have to ask the mint.
I don't collect Adelaide Pounds either. Ridiculously overpriced.
Quote from: 'gweidion' pid='128125' dateline='1683198620'Quote from: 'Billenben' pid='128124' dateline='1683194802'I have seen untold Adelaide pounds go through the big auction houses over the last 10 years but i can't recall a Frilly pendant.
Cause hardly anyone wasted their money on them. Better off just buying the $200 coin, which wasn't all that great a buy on release. It is only now that they are worth more than they cost because of the gold value. Similar for the Kangaroo at Sunset issues.
As for numbers, you'd have to ask the mint.
I don't collect Adelaide Pounds either. Ridiculously overpriced.
I would suggest my point was in part the paradox that comes from having near apex items, that never saw a mint and hardly qualify as numismatics in the general sense of numismatics, compared to an item that involves a mint issue item which numismatics seems happy to condemn to the crucible. It isn't so much about value as it is what makes the cut.
Of course there was the question of which is there actually more of, Frillys as we are calling them or Adelaide Pounds, and as you do concede we need to ask the mint for Frilly numbers, and i have and await a reply, it seems the claim there are heaps more Frillys is based on speculation at best.
That is one thing i love about coin forums, the raw speculation that has no basis; there is a tsunami of it.
Realistically if we want to speculate then we need consider the Frilly had a 1000 max release and got canned, likely due to lack of interest but we are looking into that so let's not lock that in, and people were happy to melt them down. There is a reasonable probability the Frilly may have numbers less than the AP.
But perhaps all that is mute because small numbers do not correlate to demand and high prices. But the aim here is recognition of a RAM issue coin in a RAM issue bezel as a numismatic.
For me it keeps coming back to the fundamental principle of numismatics that coins are worth what one can make others believe they are worth.
W.S.W. Vaux, the Keeper of Coins and Medals at the British Museum in 1864 elevating meaningless bullion rounds (Kangaroo Office pieces) to apex numismatic items being a great example of that principle at play.
David Gee was a master of exploiting that principle when he has his 1909 florin 'authenticated' by some of numismatics big names.
I am not so sure the AP is ridiculously over priced.
- They hold a place in coin history that is special because of how they came to be, although I would say they were not needed by the time they started to roll out of the Assay Office.
Mr Hare seemed hell bent on getting them made even after there was a need for them.
- They have a great story that has loads of figures that shaped Australia, take Mr Torrens for example.
In the AP story, small world, we end up seeing J Payne known to Reginald Scaife of the Kangaroo Office at the Melbourne Industrial Society in 1855.
- There aren't a lot left after the "melt it for gold value" vultures were through chewing on their carcass.
The AP is a great piece because it has a great story and coins are to a large degree 'show and tell'.
I don't think the type II pricing is excessive.
Cheap type 1 at Downies in a few weeks if the estimate is anything to go by - do not get me started on auctioneers estimates.
If there are issues over the AP price then i should probably not mention to Mars $2 or any of the Poppy series that have mum and dad collectors in a frenzy OR those noodling their butts off for any coin with a small issue and then screaming it is worth a fortune as a rare mint error.
For me the issue with the Frilly is that for a rather unique RAM offering numismatics it seems to only see a crucible.
Dixson would have had them in his collection if he was still around.
The reason that RAM put this rubbish out in the first place was to fleece as many punters as possible. And it is still their reason for Numismatics. It is not for the benefit of collectors. The RAM gift shop has all sorts of rubbish.
That doesn't mean we should be buying them.
And don't get me started on the garbage that PM puts out as NCLT.
If you think any Adelaide pounds are reasonable, spend away. I won't complain if you buy them all.
I'd rather have bullion.
Interesting, I didn't realise the mint put some in pendants. I suppose they say that the do jewelry though - maybe this was a way of advertising that.
They had a few strange things over the years. I remember them having watches with a coin face and if I recall correctly, a man's ring. Again with a coin, perhaps a half sovereign. I don't think any of it was popular. Only really appealed to people with more money than sense.