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Non Numismatic Discussion => Chin Wag => Topic started by: ausjack on April 09, 2014, 03:59:38 AM

Title: what's a pcgs error worth
Post by: ausjack on April 09, 2014, 03:59:38 AM
Ok as a mint set error with the wrong dated coin in the set is worth more for some strange reason so I was wondering if a pcgs slabbed coin that has a different coin than what it says on the slab so wondering if it's worth any more?? 1969 5 cent and the slab says 1970 :dodgy:
Title: RE: what's a pcgs error worth
Post by: Ozcoins on April 09, 2014, 07:41:59 AM
I think the point of the mint packaging errors is that it comes from the mint.
I think a mistake by PCGS would have limited appeal.
Title: RE: what's a pcgs error worth
Post by: Nevol on April 09, 2014, 07:46:10 AM
I'd be making absolutely sure that the present owner hasn't figured out how to switch the coin inside.

However, as I only own 1 slabbed coin and that was a gift,  I can't speak from any experience or know-how as to how easy or difficult it would be to switch a coin. Plenty others here who should know though.
Title: RE: what's a pcgs error worth
Post by: trout on April 09, 2014, 07:52:56 AM
Quote from: 'Nevol' pid='46174' dateline='1396995370'I'd be making absolutely sure that the present owner hasn't figured out how to switch the coin inside.

However, as I only own 1 slabbed coin and that was a gift,  I can't speak from any experience or know-how as to how easy or difficult it would be to switch a coin. Plenty others here who should know though.

It is easier to open a proof set than a slab, Both will be destroyed in the process .
Being welded together the hard plastic cracks and shatters when opened.
So swapping a coin out is pretty much impossible.
Anyway whether it is the wrong coin in a set or a wrong coin in a slab makes NO difference, It is NOT an error per se .
For me either would only hold curiosity value.
Title: RE: what's a pcgs error worth
Post by: nealeffendi on April 09, 2014, 09:49:33 AM
There are collectors who collect mislabled slabs. Several posts in the TPG section of CCF on this topic.
Title: RE: what's a pcgs error worth
Post by: Fulvio on April 09, 2014, 10:27:52 AM
Quote from: 'Nevol' pid='46174' dateline='1396995370'how easy or difficult it would be to switch a coin.

Switching a coin would be a completely useless thing to try and do. Apart from the acrylic self-destructing, they have pics of the coin up for anyone to check. Probably at least in part to defeat would-be scammers.
Title: RE: what's a pcgs error worth
Post by: nealeffendi on April 09, 2014, 11:46:12 AM
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='46191' dateline='1397005072'
Quote from: 'Nevol' pid='46174' dateline='1396995370'how easy or difficult it would be to switch a coin.

Switching a coin would be a completely useless thing to try and do. Apart from the acrylic self-destructing, they have pics of the coin up for anyone to check. Probably at least in part to defeat would-be scammers.

Trueview, Secure and similar slabbed coins are photographed and the image is available. But that doesn't apply to most coins as they don't require it for newer coins (post '64 US coins for example) and they didn't photograph the Australian pre decimals until a few years ago. I have a number of PCGS slabs and for most of them there is no image when I search for the number, just the description.
If con men (Chinese?) have worked out how to make fake coins and fake slabs to such a standard that PCGS introduced a new higher security slab  just 2 months ago that means the crooks have a population of 27 million older slabs to play around with.
Title: RE: what's a pcgs error worth
Post by: Fulvio on April 09, 2014, 11:53:13 AM
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='46199' dateline='1397009772'the crooks have a population of 27 million older slabs to play around with.

Oh dear. Kinda kills most of the attraction of slabs, doesn't it?
Title: RE: what's a pcgs error worth
Post by: ausjack on April 09, 2014, 12:22:43 PM
well last night I was lookin around and found this so borrowed the pic and been thinking about getting it for the five cent and sussed the pcgs and it says the coin should be 1970 but I couldn't find a pic on there sorry so this will have to do
(http://i62.tinypic.com/167ku1d.jpg)

as you can see the coin has 1969 on it so thought please
Title: RE: what's a pcgs error worth
Post by: bellyflorin on April 09, 2014, 12:42:32 PM
i reckon there might be a 1970 5 cent piece in a 1969 holder out there somewhere , the silly  bloke that seals the slabs must have left his glasses at home that day :dodgy:

the next certification number is 28079394 is a 69 5 cent slab
Title: RE: what's a pcgs error worth
Post by: ausjack on April 09, 2014, 01:19:52 PM
gee it would be interesting to know if that has a 70 in it, thanks bellmister :good: So do ya reckon it's worth anything?
Title: RE: what's a pcgs error worth
Post by: bellyflorin on April 09, 2014, 02:09:42 PM
I wouldn't pay extra for a error slab ,they have slabbed over 27million coins  so yep they would have a few  balls ups now and then .

:idea: Ok i would pay more if i found a ms 1932  florin in a  different dated slab :yahoo:
Title: RE: what's a pcgs error worth
Post by: emu666 on April 09, 2014, 02:19:38 PM
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='46202' dateline='1397011963'well last night I was lookin around and found this so borrowed the pic and been thinking about getting it for the five cent and sussed the pcgs and it says the coin should be 1970 but I couldn't find a pic on there sorry so this will have to do
(http://i62.tinypic.com/167ku1d.jpg)


as you can see the coin has 1969 on it so thought please


Oops.
I put that listing together out of a few coins on my desk at work. Thought I'd get rid of a few cheaper coins in one go. I'd forgotten about the 1969 5c (I had planned on sending it back to get reholdered).
Title: RE: what's a pcgs error worth
Post by: ausjack on April 09, 2014, 02:28:29 PM
:laugh2: I was gonna say something Peter but then thought you might not have done it, so thoughts please, worth putting a bid on?
Title: RE: what's a pcgs error worth
Post by: Fulvio on April 09, 2014, 02:32:39 PM
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='46206' dateline='1397018978'Oops.

AHA! Mystery solved.. we've found the culprit! :police_badge:

Come along quietly now sir, we don't want to make a scene, do we? :police_car:
Title: RE: what's a pcgs error worth
Post by: emu666 on April 09, 2014, 04:21:44 PM
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='46207' dateline='1397019509':laugh2: I was gonna say something Peter but then thought you might not have done it, so thoughts please, worth putting a bid on?


If you'd like the coins.
The adage "buy the coin, not the label" applies here.
Title: RE: what's a pcgs error worth
Post by: ausjack on April 09, 2014, 04:57:45 PM
okalidokali, thanks mate :ok: