(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10064/1920_Rev__A_McM_28640x48029.jpg)
A nice 1920 Plain with peripheral die crack, I reckon gEF. Photos not the best, taken through 2x2 if that counts.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10064/1920_obv__A_McM.JPG)
A sad tale. Graffiti in the obverse field either side of King. Reads A McM. Little bugger!!
Lovely coin (sans scratches),would have been an excellent coin to slab of a pricey variety . Fairly late die stage example of the second most common No Dot die pairing.
I have a beautiful little 1911 halfpenny
all lustre and cute
with initials on the obverse too :(
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='46128' dateline='1396925184'I have a beautiful little 1911 halfpenny
all lustre and cute
with initials on the obverse too :(
I think we all have similar coins.
Had somebody not taken that coin and marked it as a keepsake/love token they would have spent it and it would have become well circulated. So is it better to have a high grade graffiti coin or a aVG bent and buggered coin?
Some of the graffiti is desirable. Like coins with soldiers/sailors names/numbers/units etc.
There must be an epidemic! I have a 1911 penny with...(you know the rest).
ha ha
I will dig mine out and take a pic
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='46132' dateline='1396926503'So is it better to have a high grade graffiti coin or a aVG bent and buggered coin?
Definitely the graffiti. It adds to the history of the coin in a way that a well-worn sibling that's been in millions of pockets and tills can't match. Of course it helps if the graffiti has some meaning, as in the name of a VC who had it in the trenches or similar, but it all had meaning to at least one person, and probably more than just the perpetrator.
I just wish they'd all picked really common coins to work on, instead of things that would have significant value intact.
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='46193' dateline='1397006040'Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='46132' dateline='1396926503'So is it better to have a high grade graffiti coin or a aVG bent and buggered coin?
Definitely the graffiti. It adds to the history of the coin in a way that a well-worn sibling that's been in millions of pockets and tills can't match. Of course it helps if the graffiti has some meaning, as in the name of a VC who had it in the trenches or similar, but it all had meaning to at least one person, and probably more than just the perpetrator.
I just wish they'd all picked really common coins to work on, instead of things that would have significant value intact.
Really common coins to work on? Check out eBay item 121314703243
It is a 1813 dump that had one side made smooth to engrave the date 29/10/12 on which the brother of the keepsake owner had died. The owner then reportedly wore it to Gallipoli.
Quotehttp://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Gallipoli-1813-Colonial-Dump-/121314793243
Precisely what I meant. Any coin would have had the same significance. Arguably a 1912 more so, or one from his brother's birth year. Then both the historic piece and the intact
(though clearly well-worn) dump would have survived the experience.
Of course I realise this is a pointless discussion. The people who do these things are not collectors, and have no concept of what they are tampering with, nor will they ever. Sigh...
here's mine!
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a585/auntyrobbs/P4080021_zps34cd91d5.jpg)(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a585/auntyrobbs/P4080023_zpsb9faeda0.jpg)
(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc462/joseywales10/1914halfpenny_a2_zps09eef3e5.jpg)
(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc462/joseywales10/1914halfpenny_a4_zps22055f90.jpg)
Here's mine.
The date is 8/8/14.
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='46223' dateline='1397042108'Here's mine.
WTF???? How can they grade a defaced coin MS????
That date has numismatic/historic value. It tells us that 1914 halfpennies were circulating in Australia by that date.
Historically that date was just 4 days after war was declared (and the same day the draconian Defence of the Realm Act was passed). So was this a keepsake of a lad joining up gave to his sweetheart?
The other value is that it tells us that the PCGS grader was asleep at the wheel.:dodgy:
maybe that is why it got the MS63
very nice coin
I had a crown once that had initials - really tiny engraved in the legends - only a keen eye could see it (i.e. my coin dealer did!! - because he knows to look for it)
(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o787/robster836/005_zps377530a0.jpg)
(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o787/robster836/008_zpsc36e5f22.jpg)
My contribution.!!
ouch!!
nice florin too
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='46105' dateline='1396875301'Lovely coin (sans scratches),would have been an excellent coin to slab of a pricey variety . Fairly late die stage example of the second most common No Dot die pairing.
Hi Neal, Thanks for your comments. I was just looking at IAG auction 79, lot 447, 1920 no dot penny gVF/aEF current bid $650. Looks like curved base lettering on the reverse to me?
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Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='46377' dateline='1397355753'Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='46105' dateline='1396875301'Lovely coin (sans scratches),would have been an excellent coin to slab of a pricey variety . Fairly late die stage example of the second most common No Dot die pairing.
Hi Neal, Thanks for your comments. I was just looking at IAG auction 79, lot 447, 1920 no dot penny gVF/aEF current bid $650. Looks like curved base lettering on the reverse to me?
Yes,CBL.
This EXACT same coin was sold one year ago at Pacific Rim (3/4/13 lot 83) for $1500! Look at the 2 dings on the rim below 20 (a match)
Why are they offloading it now?
Perhaps they realise that it is a Dot Below penny (I pointed that out on CCF? about six months ago).
I can recognise the die pair.There is a sloping die crack through SVD. I have 145 coins from this die pair and I can see the dot on a number of them.
As always, buy the coin and not the slab.
Will PCGS compensate this seller down the track for the loss he has suffered over the past year or to the new buyer who will find his XF40 Dot Below is worth perhaps $20?
I have this nice poorly struck 1920
it sort of looks a bit like a no dot in the hand
but after seeking opinion from s couple of those who know more than me
it seems to be a dot below (vaguely there in there in the photo)
Neal, your expert opinion would be appreciated (thanks in advance!)
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a585/auntyrobbs/1920pennynodots_zpse65ac33e.jpg)(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a585/auntyrobbs/1920pennynodotsmaybe_zpsa7492c2f.jpg)
Your penny is a Dot Above scroll and from a die pair that accounts for about 40% of the variety. The particular die pairing has a number of faults including a deteriorating inner ring (especially at 5 o clock), a dot between NY, a dot in the fork of Y, a dot between LT, a dot inside the o of MO, a dot on the top left edge of o in OF, a dot near the rim to the lower right of 20. As that die pair deteriorated the inner ring got progressively worse, die clash marks occurred and a die crack developed at TT OM.
Also I can see the dot above the scroll.
thanks heaps for the die markers update
years ago, I thought the dot was above the bottom scroll and then I convinced myself it was below the bottom scroll! The dot above seems to have taken a ding and hence, it is not easily distinguished
knowing the die markers helps to solve the mystery as where the dot is or should be!