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Title: 2013 $1 Obverse Die Cracks - McDuck's Quack Revisited
Post by: Unicorn on March 04, 2014, 11:31:05 PM
Thought this might make a reasonable thread.

Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='41549' dateline='1392304796'but also a jagged crack from the rear tip of HM's neck to the heel of the L. I've never seen one in this location that was longer than a couple of mm.

Going on from the original procrastination picture ......

All 2013 MOR's

Number 1: Early heading towards right corner of E

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11067/dc07.jpg)

Number 2: Downward curve to middle of upright of L

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11067/dc06.jpg)

Number 3: S'ish curve to middle of upright of L

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11067/dc05.jpg)

Number 4: Upward curve to left downstroke of L

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11067/dc04.jpg)

Number 5: Slight upward curve to left corner of L

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11067/dc03.jpg)

Number 6: Curved line heading between E and L

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11067/dc02.jpg)

Number 7: Straight line to left corder of L

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11067/dc01.jpg)



This has happened before .... a couple of examples:

2011 MOR

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11067/dc02_2011.jpg)

2011 CHOGM

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11067/dc02_2011c.jpg)
Title: RE: $1 Obverse - McDuck's Quack Revisited
Post by: Fulvio on March 04, 2014, 11:35:28 PM
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='43106' dateline='1393938065'This has happened before .... a couple of examples:

Yes, but notice how they're nowhere near as pronounced?

So what changed all of a sudden? Not only do we get bigger cracks, but we get a bunch of dies breaking around the same spot. One would assume the obverse dies don't change at all apart from the year, no?

Great pics BTW. :)
Title: RE: $1 Obverse - McDuck's Quack Revisited
Post by: Unicorn on March 04, 2014, 11:43:27 PM
Thanks McDuck, they would have to be one of the hardest things I've tried to take a photo of.

I agree, no where near as pronounced in the previous years to the point I was totally oblivious to their existence before you mentioned it.

I wonder are they using a greater strike pressure?
Title: RE: $1 Obverse - McDuck's Quack Revisited
Post by: Fulvio on March 04, 2014, 11:50:14 PM
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='43110' dateline='1393938807'I wonder are they using a greater strike pressure?

Anything's possible I guess... but I can't say the coins look any better struck than other years. And you would think somebody would notice they broke at least six dies, and do something about it, no?

*shrug*

Both ends of the neck on all denominations are susceptible to these cracks but they're usually really really minor and hard to see, and I suspect go unnoticed by the mint as well as us. Might be worth someone who's 'plugged in' asking their contacts about it maybe.
Title: RE: $1 Obverse - McDuck's Quack Revisited
Post by: Unicorn on April 28, 2014, 11:35:35 PM
Two more 2013 die cracks

Number 8: Slight downward curve to left corner of L

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11067/2013_8.jpg)

Number 9: Straight line to right corner of E (might be a continuation of Number 1 die crack).

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11067/2013_9.jpg)
Title: RE: $1 Obverse - McDuck's Quack Revisited
Post by: ausjack on April 29, 2014, 08:08:48 AM
Niiice, Gee Uni you'll be up there with Nevol the way ya goin mate :good:
Title: RE: $1 Obverse - McDuck's Quack Revisited
Post by: Robster on April 29, 2014, 08:36:55 AM
Nice images Uni. Seems like the pressure from Queens neck (high relief) to flat area might be one cause.?? :scratch_one-s_head:
Title: RE: $1 Obverse - McDuck's Quack Revisited
Post by: Unicorn on January 20, 2015, 11:38:06 PM
Number 10: Straight line towards the innermost top of the right base of the E extending almost to the E itself, but then curving to the right, past the lower right base of the E then curving back to the left directly into the bottom right corner of the E.

Oh and there's a cud on the base of the Queen's bust, just above the B in IRB!! :yahoo:

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11067/2013_1_dc_10_dot_B.jpg)
Title: RE: 2013 $1 Obverse Die Cracks - McDuck's Quack Revisited
Post by: Unicorn on February 02, 2015, 06:11:09 PM
Number 11:

An upward curved line heading between the E and L then curving off towards the left of the L although not reaching it.

BUT WAIT! There's more ....... this time another cud on the base of the Queen's bust ..... but between the R and B (of IRB). :yahoo:

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11067/2013_1_dc_11_dot_RB.jpg)
Title: RE: 2013 $1 Obverse Die Cracks - McDuck's Quack Revisited
Post by: Robster on February 02, 2015, 07:49:52 PM
Good work Columbo.! :angel:
Title: RE: 2013 $1 Obverse Die Cracks - McDuck's Quack Revisited
Post by: Unicorn on February 02, 2015, 08:03:46 PM
:laugh2: ..... thanks Robster!
Title: RE: 2013 $1 Obverse Die Cracks - McDuck's Quack Revisited
Post by: Pedro on February 03, 2015, 06:49:59 AM
Looks like you've got them all covered Uni! There can't be any more can there ... ?

Pedro
Title: RE: 2013 $1 Obverse Die Cracks - McDuck's Quack Revisited
Post by: Unicorn on February 08, 2015, 06:47:44 PM
Number 12:

Quite likely a continuation of Number 1 but interesting that it hasn't gone towards the E or the L.

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11067/2013_1_dc_12.jpg)
Title: RE: 2013 $1 Obverse Die Cracks - McDuck's Quack Revisited
Post by: Unicorn on August 11, 2015, 08:14:34 PM
Woo Hoo ..... Number 13 .... (Had this one sitting at the top of my desk for a while).

Although it's just the start of the die crack, it's heading in a new direction compared to the previous 12.

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11067/2013_13a.jpg)
Title: RE: 2013 $1 Obverse Die Cracks - McDuck's Quack Revisited
Post by: NZCoinerrors on August 11, 2015, 08:59:49 PM
Awesome nice work Unicorn.  Does the RAM release info on how many dies were used ?  

I wonder what it is with this portrait design as it seems to happen on almost all New Zealand coins since 1999 also
Title: RE: 2013 $1 Obverse Die Cracks - McDuck's Quack Revisited
Post by: Unicorn on August 12, 2015, 07:20:37 AM
Quote from: 'NZCoinerrors' pid='77553' dateline='1439292589'Does the RAM release info on how many dies were used ?  

Thanks NZC, I don't think they release the info, but I'd reckon they near broke them all in 2013 :laugh2:
Title: RE: 2013 $1 Obverse Die Cracks - McDuck's Quack Revisited
Post by: Mister T on August 12, 2015, 09:00:39 AM
Quote from: 'NZCoinerrors' pid='77553' dateline='1439292589'Awesome nice work Unicorn.  Does the RAM release info on how many dies were used ?

Regrettably not (though I assume it is probably recorded).
The 2012 annual report states that "The [tooling and quality] section delivered 3182 coining dies, consisting of 1492 circulating dies and 1690 numismatic dies, with 153 coining collars being provided."
Subsequent annual reports don't seem to provide this information though.