Received this "question" today;
"Dear solution2852,
hi this is not an uncirculated coin you con artist hope no one buys it wahhhaaa
-{username}"
The item in question is 2008 20 cents - UNCIRCULATED (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251452743759&ssPageName=ADME:X:AAQ:AU:1123)
I was unsure how to react;
•ignore it was my first thought
•don't bite was my next thought
Then, on reflection I decided on a civil answer;
"Dear {username},
Hi,
I personally opened the sealed bag of these coins (as delivered to bank), removed them and put them in the holders. Maybe you should Google "uncirculated coin definition" and "bag mark" for information about this topic.
Consider joining The Australian Coin Forum (http://www.australian-coins.net/) where there is a wealth of information about all aspects of coins and collecting. My user name there is JeffH.
I do know a bit about coins and stand by my words. I know very little about, for example, stamps and would not presume to negatively criticise a listing for stamps -If I was interested I would only ask a constructive question so as not to waste the seller's time.
Cheers,
Jeff
- solution2852
The coin was in a sealed $10 bag in a sealed Armaguard $200 bag that I obtained from the bank. I think "uncirculated is the correct call. And I am a member of the MarkN pedantic nitpicker's society.
A check of the persons feedback showed negligible interest in coins but a very large number of stamp purchases.
A couple of questions;
1.Is this sort of idiotic "question" common. I haven't had one like that before.
2.What do you think would be an approriate response?
Jeff
I haven't had one like that, most upsetting I'd imagine.
I did have one that rattled me a bit, but did what you did and tried not to let emotion get to me and responded with a polite .... ish .... answer.
I think your reply was well constructed Jeff.
Yes it is common enough for me to devise a strategy.
They are aiming to upset you and to try to get you to waste your time.
My method is
1) Go to your block bidder list and add them to it.
2) Forward the email to other sellers you get on well with so they can do the same.
3) Delete the email.
4) If you get another email from the same person, treat it as ultra top secret (i.e. destroy before reading).
Please PM (or post it here for us all to see) the user id of your timewaster so I can add it to my block bidder list.
That sounds like a good strategy. aussieadam12 is now the latest entry on my blocked bidder list but he may never know anyway.
Jeff
I can feel your pain Mate, It is people like this that have soured my selling experience on fleabay and I doubt that I will sell much on that site anymore.
This is also why I have spent the time and money to get the coins I want to sell graded and slabbed so that I can consign them to a reputable auction .
This way I don't have to deal with the half-wits or shysters that plague eBay :whistle2::good:
I had a request from a buyer wanting me break the law yesterday as follows bearing in mind that WA is a plant quarantine state.I think it
would be a bigger risk for me than would be for him
" Hi,
I would like to buy your 2 x Zuikonishiki at the buy it now price.
Though I'm in W.A. i would like to ask you if as soon as I pay I'll leave positive feedback and you send plants with no return address. I will take the chance if they arrive without being intercepted.
Regards Steve.
- ebay username"
Ignore. Don't answer. Move on with life. People say these things to get a rise out of you and when you give them a response they just feed off of it. (Thanks to the charming JPL over at CCF this morning for reminding me that people who dwell under bridges and scare goats are still alive and well).
That being said emu666's approach would work nicely too.
Yes, I saw that Mark and I was most disappointed.
Good move.!! Life is to short for these type of people. :dodgy:
Quote from: 'markn' pid='42511' dateline='1393133856'Ignore. Don't answer. Move on with life. People say these things to get a rise out of you and when you give them a response they just feed off of it. (Thanks to the charming JPL over at CCF this morning for reminding me that people who dwell under bridges and scare goats are still alive and well).
That being said emu666's approach would work nicely too.
I answered this in the misbehavers thread :ok:
eerrrm
to quote mark
people who dwell under bridges and scare goats are still alive and well
not sure if i'd be encouraging those types to join this forum
I can see the misery it could bring from his first e-mail to you
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='42510' dateline='1393133799'I had a request from a buyer wanting me break the law yesterday as follows bearing in mind that WA is a plant quarantine state.I think it
would be a bigger risk for me than would be for him
" Hi,
I would like to buy your 2 x Zuikonishiki at the buy it now price.
Though I'm in W.A. i would like to ask you if as soon as I pay I'll leave positive feedback and you send plants with no return address. I will take the chance if they arrive without being intercepted.
Regards Steve.
- ebay username"
bad news that one
the quarantines are there for good reason usually
Hi Bigbird,
I presume your strategy includes no response at all to the initial message -just straight to blocked bidders list; end of story?
Jeff
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='42527' dateline='1393137681'Hi Bigbird,
I presume your strategy includes no response at all to the initial message -just straight to blocked bidders list; end of story?
Jeff
Yes.
I do the same now
ben on ebay for too long now to put up with the crap
there are some real nut cases out there in the bay
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='42533' dateline='1393138436'there are some real nut cases out there in the bay
Edited for accuracy.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='42539' dateline='1393139864'Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='42533' dateline='1393138436'there are some real nut cases out there in the bay
Edited for accuracy.
:laugh2:
And there are big sharks in "the Bay" too!
Another weird eBay question.
I listed this 5 SPEED GEARBOX -VL COMMODORE/SKYLINE R31 -plus rebuild kit (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/281276202827?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649). Start price $120. A bid was lodged yesterday and has seven watchers so possible might fetch a bit more.
Today I received this question;
"mrreptil has sent a question about item #281276202827, ending on 08-Mar-14 18:53:47 AEDST - 5 SPEED GEARBOX -VL COMMODORE/SKYLINE R31 -plus rebuild kit
From: mrreptil
Sent: 06-Mar-14 12:44
Dear ycc511,
Would you take 90
- mrreptil
Now what possible purpose could this be intended for, other than wasting time? I don't think a one word answer is impolite; the word I would use is terse. TERSE (http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/terse)
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='43293' dateline='1394179886'http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/AUSTRALIA-1966-20-CENTS-PROOF-APCGS-PR67-SLABBED-SECOND-HIGHEST-GRADE-KNOWN-/141206134763?pt=AU_Coins2&hash=item20e08a9feb#ht_1120wt_684
So, I was having a poke around, and tripped over this beauty:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=291092557833
Naturally I informed the seller he was mistaken, and these are not proofs. His response was, umm, "interesting", so here's my reply to it:
Dear davidshaw6606,
Charming communications skills you have there. Rest assured I will
publicise your response far and wide.
Do some research yourself. You
clearly don't know the difference between a proof coin and a business
strike. Quite apart from the fact that neither proof sets nor uncirculated
sets were packaged in these cards, or sold for $1 when the face value was
88 cents. These cards were populated by a third party with circulating
coins.. perhaps higher grade, but certainly not UNC, and absolutely NOT
proofs.
Judging by your response, you probably know all this, and are
simply another ebay thief trying to scam people with juicy keywords. No
matter... you may not crawl back under your rock, but I suspect this
listing is so bad that you won't catch anyone out.
-fulvio
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From:davidshaw6606
To:fulvio
Subject:Re: Details about item: fulvio sent a message about 1966 Uncirculated RAM 6 Proof Coin Mint Set - Very Rare #291092557833
Sent Date:Mar-07-14 01:01:27 PST
Dear fulvio,
Do some f%:&&&ING research. They are encased in sealed plastic and have not been exposed to air.
I'm more interested in your opinion f£&&wit.
-davidshaw6606
Oh God... it gets better...
Dear fulvio,
My father was in charge of the electricians at the mint and collected coins
over time
He passed away recently and I am selling his collection.
At the end of the day, if you don't want them then f:%/ off.
-davidshaw6606
I bet he found them in an old biscuit tin under the bed, wrapped in his dad's hat! Jeez....
:laugh2: love ya work Fulvio, you go get'em tiger :)
OK, I was at my sisters having a couple of well earned beers ( I had been fencing all day) and I got a weird phone call from an irate eBay seller.
How on earth he got my phone number is beyond belief .
It ended up with threats to make me change my negative feedback for a 1959 florin ( as covered in "have you been an eBay winner today thread"
He also filed a "Non payment " dispute that eBay unbelievably believed , although I have bank statements that will dispute that theory , then he puts up a reply that states "sent wrong coin then abused about it and not allowed to send the write coin" CODSWALLOP.
The seller id is beautifulboutiquebargains
Beware of this Bridge Troll :ok:
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='43309' dateline='1394184216'Quite apart from the fact that neither proof sets nor uncirculated
sets were packaged in these cards, or sold for $1 when the face value was
88 cents. These cards were populated by a third party with circulating
coins.. perhaps higher grade, but certainly not UNC, and absolutely NOT
proofs.
The coins in the carded sets WERE UNC Fulvio. And they were sold for $1. I've seen mint ads for them in old ACR's. And you still see a lot of them with their original $1 price tag on them.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='43325' dateline='1394194526'OK, I was at my sisters having a couple of well earned beers ( I had been fencing all day) and I got a weird phone call from an irate eBay seller.
How on earth he got my phone number is beyond belief .
It ended up with threats to make me change my negative feedback for a 1959 florin ( as covered in "have you been an eBay winner today thread"
He also filed a "Non payment " dispute that eBay unbelievably believed , although I have bank statements that will dispute that theory , then he puts up a reply that states "sent wrong coin then abused about it and not allowed to send the write coin" CODSWALLOP.
The seller id is beautifulboutiquebargains
Beware of this Bridge Troll :ok:
I bought a coin from this bloke last week so I hope he sends it.I might give him a call
QuoteI bought a coin from this bloke last week so I hope he sends it
Good luck getting the actual coin you bid on :dodgy:
Unbelievable , yesterday I get personal threats over the phone and today Bribery is attempted.
Here is the contents of an email I received this morning;
"ive packaged for you the wright coin plus 2x gem mint roll coins ms65-66 so 3 gem coins you will receive wed latest cheers my mistake "
I have just got off the phone to eBay and the non payment case has been thrown out :good:
All that needs to happen now is for this undesirable seller to be thrown out as well, From the conversation I had with eBay this is a very likely scenario.
I have been on eBay for 6 years and have NEVER had a problem as bad as this.
I don't think I am being "Pedantic" or Knarky in this.
I have never tolerated bullies and I will certainly not demean myself in taking a bribe either.
This one is truly a "Bridge Troll" that has probably eaten quite a lot of Goats :dodgy::@
Sounds like you've caught a live one Trout!
Bubble Bubble Bubble Troll Bubble Bubble Bubble
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11067/troll.jpg)
Quote from: 'markn' pid='43331' dateline='1394219417'The coins in the carded sets WERE UNC Fulvio. And they were sold for $1. I've seen mint ads for them in old ACR's. And you still see a lot of them with their original $1 price tag on them.
Really? I thought they all went into the PVC wallets. Oh well...
But they're still not proof.
I just received a neutral feedback because I wouldn't illegally send seeds
to Western Australia.The joke would be on them if WA customs caught up with them
This might be a little off the subject, but I just read that on April 1, 1957, BBC aired a scene of people harvesting spaghetti from a tree. Instantly, people called and asked where they could get seeds or plants to grow their own spaghetti trees. BBC then tried to explain that this was an April Fools joke. (And these people are still among us.)
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='43370' dateline='1394244783'I just received a neutral feedback because I wouldn't illegally send seeds
to Western Australia.The joke would be on them if WA customs caught up with them
It makes you want to throw your hands up in the air doesn't it.
I am that disappointed in eBay I haven't bought a single coin since the first of this Month and I haven't even bothered looking
I may get back in there but at the moment I just cannot be bothered with dealing with some of the vermin that inhabit that site.
it will only get worse as other things get worse if feebay don't stop it before it gets too out of hand, people are just getting desperate and getting cut off benifits will only add to it, just look at the US and their crime rate and poverty so that's the sort of thing we have to look forward to while ever they keep trying to make up like them..doin a bloody good job so far as most aussies speak yank now and not australian MATE COBBA, so while ever my bum points to the ground I will try and keep our good old aussie lingo going..digger :laugh2:
Trout you have not experienced the full range of delights possible in the ebay experience until you have a buyer that refuses to pay and then leaves negative feedback on receipt of a non paying bidder dispute.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='43422' dateline='1394318836'Trout you have not experienced the full range of delights possible in the ebay experience until you have a buyer that refuses to pay and then leaves negative feedback on receipt of a non paying bidder dispute.
I have in fact had that" delightful " experience a couple of years ago Mate.
I did however manage to get eBay to remove the feedback :good:
WOW and they wonder why I don't want to get into it, I get stressed enough without having to put up with that sort of malarky, my heart bleeds :(
Quote from: 'Goose' pid='43411' dateline='1394299056'on April 1, 1957, BBC aired a scene of people harvesting spaghetti from a tree.
A few years later, Dan Webb did a similar story on HSV7, about the spaghetti worm infesting our crops. They threaded black cotton through the middle of the spaghetti, which he then broke open to reveal the worm inside. The story had a similar effect to the BBC one, and remains one of the best TV hoaxes ever pulled.
Watch it on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fACJ22ixzhg
Quote from: 'trout' pid='43417' dateline='1394317526'I am that disappointed in eBay I haven't bought a single coin since the first of this Month and I haven't even bothered looking
I may get back in there but at the moment I just cannot be bothered with dealing with some of the vermin that inhabit that site.
Jim,
There are still plenty of good sellers and I am sure you have sussed some out.
Here is one I recommend -very good and the name might appeal to you too!
Items for sale from oldbrowntrout26 (http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/Coins-/58520/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=25&_ssn=oldbrowntrout26&_sop=15)
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='43443' dateline='1394328880'Quote from: 'trout' pid='43417' dateline='1394317526'I am that disappointed in eBay I haven't bought a single coin since the first of this Month and I haven't even bothered looking
I may get back in there but at the moment I just cannot be bothered with dealing with some of the vermin that inhabit that site.
Jim,
There are still plenty of good sellers and I am sure you have sussed some out.
Here is one I recommend -very good and the name might appeal to you too!
Items for sale from oldbrowntrout26 (http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/Coins-/58520/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=25&_ssn=oldbrowntrout26&_sop=15)
I have bought many a coin of oldbrown trouty :good:
I see it didn't take you long to get back Jim.
Anyway point of this post is to mention another bit of bastardry on eBay.
You need a mate and you both bid up something to an unrealistic price.
One of you wins it but you never reply to any seller messages and definitely never pay.
Eventually seller lodges non payment claim (which, of course you ignore).
Sale is later cancelled and seller refunded fee.
Seller is not out of pocket but has lost at least two weeks farting around.
But, you say, eBay will cancel those fake buyers after three strikes. So what, that is six silly games between them and they might get away with a few more before eBay catches up.
And, how easy is it to open another eBay account in another name?
{Wondering out loud -can eBay identify internet account a user name was registered from? Then if all accounts originating from that IP number were cancelled and attempts to open new accounts barred that would slow them down. That's the sort of thing Fulvio or Mark might know.}
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='43453' dateline='1394340792'Then if all accounts originating from that IP number were cancelled and attempts to open new accounts barred that would slow them down.
IP filtering is a bit of a blunt weapon, because it doesn't resolve to a single device, unlike a MAC address, for example. So if you block an IP and it happens to have a thousand users, you've blocked them all.
Same deal applies to spam emailers. Optusnet was blocked a while ago for having an open mail relay, and therefore every user was treated as a spammer.
IF IPv6 ever gets off the ground properly, and IF its handled correctly, this problem should go away. But I wouldn't bet on it. And even if you can pin down the machine, you can't know if a visitor has borrowed it to log in on their own accounts...
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='43453' dateline='1394340792'{Wondering out loud -can eBay identify internet account a user name was registered from? Then if all accounts originating from that IP number were cancelled and attempts to open new accounts barred that would slow them down. That's the sort of thing Fulvio or Mark might know.}
IP address is probably too broad - they are most often not fixed to one customer, however there are other things which can (and probably actually are) to counter that sort of thing.
I will provide more detail in PM.
OK,
I just received this email from eBay.
All sounds pretty good BUT I wonder if they actually do anything regarding this Ratbag:-/
Hello Jim,
Thanks for contacting eBay. I understand that this frustrates you as you paid for the item through bank deposit and yet you received an unpaid item record in your account that could affect your reputation as a good buyer.
I know that this is upsetting in your part as the seller is threatening you trying to revise the feedback that you left to their account. Let me help you with this.
Jim, I am pleased to inform you that the non-paying record has already been removed. You may check this on your end to confirm. Just go to your resolution centre under account tab and locate the item. You will see that the record has been cleared out.
For more information about unpaid item policy, please refer to:
http://pages.ebay.com.au/help/policies/unpaid-item.html
Let me assure you that you no longer have any non-paying record that may restrict you from buying more items on the site.
In regard to the feedback, sellers should not manipulate their buyers to change or to remove the feedback you left. Seller should figure things out with you without trying to demand to leave a positive feedback.
As a buyer it is your right to receive a resolution or a refund as you paid for it promptly and you deserve to receive the item as described, it doesn't need any conditions as it is your right as a consumer.
If you feel that they deserve a negative feedback you have to be firm in your decisions and eBay will support with you as long as you will not violate our feedback policy.
Threatening to leave negative Feedback, demanding the withdrawal of Feedback, or requiring a specific Feedback rating in exchange for goods or services not included in the original listing is considered Feedback extortion.
To learn more about our policy, go to:
http://pages.ebay.com.au/help/policies/feedback-extortion.html
Since they are trying to threaten you through phone I strongly encourage you to report this to proper law enforcement authorities, as well as the member's local phone company should he threaten you by phone as well.
If you do contact police, let them know that eBay may be able to help their investigation and that they can contact us by going to:
http://pages.ebay.com.au/securitycentre/law-enforcement.html
We appreciate your time in bringing this to our attention. Rest assured that we've done the appropriate investigation to their account if they violated one of our policies their account may be at risk for suspension or restrictions. We have a Privacy policy in place that does not allow us to disclose account-specific information and I trust that this makes you feel confident that your account information also remains private.
Thanks for choosing eBay and have a great day ahead.
Sincerely,
Jessa B.
eBay Customer Support
Quote from: 'Ozcoins' pid='43456' dateline='1394344951'IP address is probably too broad - they are most often not fixed to one customer, however there are other things which can (and probably actually are) to counter that sort of thing.
I will provide more detail in PM.
While you'd like to think they'd stop people having multiple accounts and take measures to ensure they don't I am almost certain eBay take almost no measures to prevent it. We are aware of one eBay seller who has many, many, many alternate ID's that he uses to sell items, bid on competitors items, and in many cases simply make trouble with them (including habitually making damaged packaging claims seeking a partial refund). I simply refuse to believe that someone who behaves in such a (frankly) crappy manner has enough technical know-how to get around even slightly sophisticated measures taken by eBay to prevent multiple ID's. So my only conclusion is that eBay take NO measures to stop people signing up for multiple accounts.
QuoteSo my only conclusion is that eBay take NO measures to stop people signing up for multiple accounts.
:i_agree:
We have two accounts with eBay Australia to separate our various activities; to make it easier to keep track of things. My wife also has an account with eBay UK so she can purchase things there -she has a forwarding address in the UK but many sellers won't accept bids from another country eBay site.
All set up from same computer and same internet account without any problem.
here here
their account may be at risk for suspension or restrictions
this is the sort of thing that annoys me..MAYBE MAYBE what the hell does that mean, how much do you have to do before they act, sounds like a lot to me :(
Well, we have wandered down an interesting path here. Slightly away from the original topic but worth pursuing. I have amended the thread title accordingly.
When I tried to check my bank account details in my eBay account I wasn't allowed to see the account number "For security reasons". That set me wondering; Has eBay (like many other organisations) started taking privacy issues to undue extremes?
Then I saw this article How Robb Lewis is helping web users erase their digital footprint with Justdelete.me website (http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/consumer-security/how-robb-lewis-is-helping-web-users-erase-their-digital-footprint-with-justdeleteme-website-20140308-34e1v.html). Interesting information about how companies hold onto you details and how hard they make it to extricate yourself from their digital clutches.
One thing that grabbed my attention; "he has created a ''fake identity generator'' that generates a fake name, address, date of birth, username, password and even a biography for use on sites that demand it as a badge of entry". Two immediate thoughts;
•great idea to protect your privacy but, why should you need to do that?
•great idea for someone wanting to run amuck on the web to make it harder to be tracked down!
A two edged sword indeed.
So, where do we draw the line between protecting ourselves and not unduly harassing someone else? We can't depend on the justice system to control these pests -the rules are far too archaic for the way it is now.
Look forward to some interesting comments and, maybe, even some vigorous debate.
Jeff
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='43513' dateline='1394421275'So, where do we draw the line between protecting ourselves and not unduly harassing someone else?
That's a very interesting question, and answering it is truly a matter of life and death.
A couple of things about privacy...
Firstly, there is no such thing as a right to privacy. Never has been. Going back to the dawn of time, everybody in the village knew exactly what you were up to.
The problem has always been the use someone makes of information about you. And the more power they have, the more they can use it against you.
So while I don't give a continental about you, AJ, or the bloke next door knowing everything about me, you don't pose a threat. But corporations, governments and their enforcers most certainly DO pose a clear and present danger, and the less they know about me the better.
But the laws we now have are completely arse-about. They prevent even the simplest of enquiries which are innocent, but lay you completely bare to the most intrusive rectal examinations by an entire alphabet soup of outfits, including foreign ones.
And the worst part is since those making the rules are the same ones who stand to gain most from abusing them, there is zero prospect of beneficial changes, or even the unwinding of intrusions, especially those made in the name of
"The War on Terror".
And people can and do die as a result. Obviously in certain parts of the world speaking your mind can be fatal, but even here in supposedly democratic bastions of free speech, it isn't safe to pop up on the radar screens.
Of course there are things that you can do. BitMessage for example, based on the same technology as BitCoin
(which is itself a way to claw back some of our rights), can go a long way to keeping you among the ranks of the relatively free oxygen consumers, while allowing your alter ego to don cape and tights and fight the good fight. And there are other tools available, though not always easy to use.
Sadly I don't hold a lot of hope for wholesale improvements though. There isn't a nation on earth which isn't riddled with corruption and vested self-interest, and short of a revolution that simply isn't going to change. So the future looks exceedingly bleak, as we drift further and unredeemably into an Orwellian nightmare.
got a few good points there Fulvio ;)
'So while I don't give a continental about you, AJ, or the bloke next door knowing everything about me, you don't pose a threat.'
How have you determined the threat level that each person you mention presents?
What threats do they present?
How much do you actually know about them?
It's much easier to not give out information about yourself than it is to determine what threats someone having that information poses.
yep I'm a major threat..be down to see ya soon Fulvio so ya better lock the cat up :laugh2:
Quote from: 'Ozcoins' pid='43527' dateline='1394435857'It's much easier to not give out information about yourself than it is to determine what threats someone having that information poses.
That's paranoia, which they've been actively promoting for at least 14 years now.
What can you do to hurt me, really?
You can physically assault me. That's much more likely to be random, and we see instances on the news daily.
You can rob me. Again, mostly random, and if I need to live in a dark cage cut off from the world to try and protect my stuff, I'd be better off without it.
You can attack my identity, either to try and achieve one of the above, or just to hurt me. But its hard to stalk someone by remote control, so there's some comeback for those who try.
What else can you really do that the bloke next door, or some random guy on the freeway can't do? How does knowing stuff about me help you achieve any of the above?
You have to balance risk intelligently. But for various reasons, that is no longer the case now. Instead we live in a culture of fear. Great for politicians, security companies and the Gestapo, but not so great for Joe Average.
Me, I would rather live in a world where you can do anything you please as long as it doesn't hurt someone else, rather than the world we are moving toward, where you can do nothing unless its specifically permitted, or indeed required.
QuoteI would rather live in a world where you can do anything you please as long as it doesn't hurt someone else
Fine sentiment (and I am in agreement) but how do you measure level of "hurt". Some people are "hurt" just by a stranger saying "good morning" in the street.
If you do not want to "hurt" anyone then safest to commit suicide now! Hang on, that could hurt someone too. Every action you take might "hurt" someone. That is a problem.
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave" - Sir Walter Scott
And, to put it in context the rest of the quotation is "when first we practice to deceive."
Quote from: 'markn' pid='43494' dateline='1394408381'Quote from: 'Ozcoins' pid='43456' dateline='1394344951'IP address is probably too broad - they are most often not fixed to one customer, however there are other things which can (and probably actually are) to counter that sort of thing.
I will provide more detail in PM.
While you'd like to think they'd stop people having multiple accounts and take measures to ensure they don't I am almost certain eBay take almost no measures to prevent it. We are aware of one eBay seller who has many, many, many alternate ID's that he uses to sell items, bid on competitors items, and in many cases simply make trouble with them (including habitually making damaged packaging claims seeking a partial refund). I simply refuse to believe that someone who behaves in such a (frankly) crappy manner has enough technical know-how to get around even slightly sophisticated measures taken by eBay to prevent multiple ID's. So my only conclusion is that eBay take NO measures to stop people signing up for multiple accounts.
Had James Mina blocked under:
blue-chip-coins
blue-chip-numismatics2000
perth-mint-coins
perth-mint-products
silver-proof-coins
then he bought under id:
downings-coins
Can be recognised by the feedback he leaves (often to himself)
always involving the words blue chip e.g.
Thank you for your Prompt Payment for this BLUE CHIP COIN 4 YOUR SUPERANUATION
When buying runs a scam pretending item arrives damaged; frequent shill bidder when selling.
So, blocked bidders list is really a rather poor tool? Block one ID and another two pop up!
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='43533' dateline='1394441157'Some people are "hurt" just by a stranger saying "good morning" in the street.
A good start would be to make it clear to everyone that you do NOT have a right not to be offended. Which of course is completely opposite to the current politically-correct BS permeating the western world.
Example: If I want to make the world a better place by driving a human-powered four-wheel vehicle instead of a car, I'm forced to wear a bike helmet. If I refuse, I will be fined. But, if I'm a Sikh, I can ride a two-wheeler wearing a turban instead. WTF??? When did a supposed safety measure get turned into a cultural/religious fashion accessory? And the same goes for burqas in ID photos. :dodgy:
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='43548' dateline='1394443133'So, blocked bidders list is really a rather poor tool? Block one ID and another two pop up!
Yup. The only real controlling force on ebay is feedback. And if you get someone who doesn't care about their reputation, that means nothing and there is no downside to them having a swag of alts.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='43539' dateline='1394441545'Quote from: 'markn' pid='43494' dateline='1394408381'Quote from: 'Ozcoins' pid='43456' dateline='1394344951'IP address is probably too broad - they are most often not fixed to one customer, however there are other things which can (and probably actually are) to counter that sort of thing.
I will provide more detail in PM.
While you'd like to think they'd stop people having multiple accounts and take measures to ensure they don't I am almost certain eBay take almost no measures to prevent it. We are aware of one eBay seller who has many, many, many alternate ID's that he uses to sell items, bid on competitors items, and in many cases simply make trouble with them (including habitually making damaged packaging claims seeking a partial refund). I simply refuse to believe that someone who behaves in such a (frankly) crappy manner has enough technical know-how to get around even slightly sophisticated measures taken by eBay to prevent multiple ID's. So my only conclusion is that eBay take NO measures to stop people signing up for multiple accounts.
Had James Mina blocked under:
blue-chip-coins
blue-chip-numismatics2000
perth-mint-coins
perth-mint-products
silver-proof-coins
then he bought under id:
downings-coins
Can be recognised by the feedback he leaves (often to himself)
always involving the words blue chip e.g.
Thank you for your Prompt Payment for this BLUE CHIP COIN 4 YOUR SUPERANUATION
When buying runs a scam pretending item arrives damaged; frequent shill bidder when selling.
Name and shame these grubs helps thanks emu
But if we do name and shame, aren't the owners of this forum up for libel as per a previous now defunct forum?
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='43629' dateline='1394536592'But if we do name and shame, aren't the owners of this forum up for libel as per a previous now defunct forum?
Not necessarily. There are a number of defences, truth being the best one. Since the laws were changed a few years ago, its no longer necessary to prove public interest. Plus the statute of limitations is now only one year. Oh, and dead people can't sue... :diablo:
Ah, I've worked it out: Fulvio = Dexter :D
Pedro
:laugh2: no comment :good:
How is this idiot, would probably get it graded as such at APCGS :laugh2:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Australia-Incused-Flag-Variety-50c-coin-2000y-double-bar-variety-/181345435002?pt=AU_Coins2&hash=item2a3907bd7a
Quote from: 'trout' pid='44186' dateline='1395213661'How is this idiot, would probably get it graded as such at APCGS
What about the bidiots who bid on it? :dodgy:
If that coin is an incuse then I shall walk naked from Melbourne to Perth.......
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='44301' dateline='1395302540'If that coin is an incuse then I shall walk naked from Melbourne to Perth.......
And if its a double bar I'll join you. :)