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Australian Coins, Banknotes and Exonumia => Australian Pre-Decimal Coins => Topic started by: trout on February 13, 2014, 01:02:33 PM

Title: 1963 Florin question
Post by: trout on February 13, 2014, 01:02:33 PM
Were chrome dies used on 1963 florins?
The reason I am asking is I have this 1963 florin with a proof like finish .
The obverse has taken a beating but the fields have that polished die look about them.
Here are the best I can do with my scanner and camera :ok:

Scanner images

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/63.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/63a.jpg)

Camera images

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/63b.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/63c.jpg)

Camera images in full sunlight

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/63e.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/63d.jpg)
Title: RE: 1963 Florin question
Post by: Fulvio on February 13, 2014, 01:21:20 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='41488' dateline='1392258753'Were chrome dies used on 1963 florins?

They were first used on an experimental basis in 1954 in Melbourne. So yes, very likely.

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Also, just turned this up:

http://www.cruzis-coins.com/predecproofs/19632.html

"Examine the rim carefully as some Melbourne mint silver was struck with chrome plated dies so that they have reflective fields and can be confused with proofs, the circulation strikes are slightly rounded and often the extrusion is not all the way around."
Title: RE: 1963 Florin question
Post by: trout on February 13, 2014, 01:29:00 PM
I have a 1954 6d with the same look about it that is why I asked.
Thanks Mate :good:
Title: RE: 1963 Florin question
Post by: markn on February 13, 2014, 03:08:56 PM
Yes.
Title: RE: 1963 Florin question
Post by: trout on February 13, 2014, 03:48:08 PM
It is a shame the mint didn't make more use of these chrome dies as they do produce a superb coin :good:
Any other years they used these dies for me to look out for ?
They would make an interesting set on their own :good:
Title: RE: 1963 Florin question
Post by: emu666 on February 13, 2014, 04:49:16 PM
Yes I have a chrome plated dies 1963 florin.
PCGS graded it MS66.
Title: RE: 1963 Florin question
Post by: trout on February 13, 2014, 04:51:47 PM
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='41513' dateline='1392272356'Yes I have a chrome plated dies 1963 florin.
PCGS graded it MS66.

Can you link a cert # Peter :)
Mine would struggle to get to MS63 with that damage to the obverse :(
Title: RE: 1963 Florin question
Post by: Fulvio on February 13, 2014, 05:51:51 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='41501' dateline='1392268688'Any other years they used these dies for me to look out for ?

All decimals. ;)
Title: RE: 1963 Florin question
Post by: trout on February 13, 2014, 05:56:17 PM
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='41518' dateline='1392276111'
Quote from: 'trout' pid='41501' dateline='1392268688'Any other years they used these dies for me to look out for ?

All decimals. ;)

Smart arse :laugh2:
Title: RE: 1963 Florin question
Post by: Fulvio on February 13, 2014, 05:57:46 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='41519' dateline='1392276377'Smart arse :laugh2:

You only just working that out? :dodgy:
Title: RE: 1963 Florin question
Post by: trout on February 13, 2014, 06:18:00 PM
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='41521' dateline='1392276466'
Quote from: 'trout' pid='41519' dateline='1392276377'Smart arse :laugh2:

You only just working that out? :dodgy:

HeHe
Seriously tho are there any other years to look out for post 1953 ?
These dies produce a specimen quality coin and are very attractive and   would make a seriously nice collection of coins  in that genre .
A set of business strike, chrome dies and proofs would be an ultimate ( and at the moment affordable) collection of pre decimal Lizzie silver coins.:wavemulticolor:
Title: RE: 1963 Florin question
Post by: markn on February 13, 2014, 06:36:25 PM
1954, 1956, 1958, 1962.
Title: RE: 1963 Florin question
Post by: robbiegal on February 13, 2014, 07:56:56 PM
it is very nice Trout
but the softness on the RE would make me think that it wasn't a proof coin
oh, and the die cracks as well :)
Title: RE: 1963 Florin question
Post by: trout on February 13, 2014, 08:51:51 PM
Quote1954, 1956, 1958, 1962.

Thanks Mark , I will look out for those :good:

Quoteit is very nice Trout
but the softness on the RE would make me think that it wasn't a proof coin
oh, and the die cracks as well Smile

I knew it wasn't a proof coin because it looks nothing like one, It is simply a higher quality   circulation manufactured coin and deserves it's own place in a pre decimal set:heart:
Title: RE: 1963 Florin question
Post by: robbiegal on February 13, 2014, 09:56:55 PM
well, it looks very proof like to me

and the chrome dies are often attributed to for the 'proof like' strikes on business strike coins
Title: RE: 1963 Florin question
Post by: Fulvio on February 13, 2014, 11:18:20 PM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='41526' dateline='1392283616'oh, and the die cracks as well :)

I saw the cracks as a bonus, not detrimental at all.
Title: RE: 1963 Florin question
Post by: trout on February 14, 2014, 07:48:07 AM
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='41544' dateline='1392295700'
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='41526' dateline='1392283616'oh, and the die cracks as well :)

I saw the cracks as a bonus, not detrimental at all.

I actually thought that was a nasty scratch.:angel:
Looking at it under the usb gizmo it is in fact a die crack.
No sure if that is better, it is still a distraction to the coins appeal.:-/

 (http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/crack.jpg)
Title: RE: 1963 Florin question
Post by: emu666 on February 14, 2014, 09:54:37 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='41522' dateline='1392277680'
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='41521' dateline='1392276466'
Quote from: 'trout' pid='41519' dateline='1392276377'Smart arse :laugh2:

You only just working that out? :dodgy:

HeHe
Seriously tho are there any other years to look out for post 1953 ?
These dies produce a specimen quality coin and are very attractive and   would make a seriously nice collection of coins  in that genre .
A set of business strike, chrome dies and proofs would be an ultimate ( and at the moment affordable) collection of pre decimal Lizzie silver coins.:wavemulticolor:

I cannot recall ever seeing a Royal Visit and I'm not sure if I've seen a 1962 but all the other QEII florins I have definitely seen struck by chrome plated dies.
The 1959 makes a nice compariison piece with a proof 1959.
Title: RE: 1963 Florin question
Post by: trout on February 14, 2014, 05:51:04 PM
QuoteThe 1959 makes a nice compariison piece with a proof 1959.

I'm looking at a 59 now that may just fit the bill :)
This may be a good way to get a "Poor Man's" Proof Like  collection together:winkextra::yahoo: