Stardate, November 2012, Volume 15, Captains Log.
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An interesting article on the 34 shilling that was previously reported as being an overdate.
I remember having late night discussions a few years about this particular item then and believed it wasn't an overdate.
A well explained article I thought, well done pra.
Yes it was a good article. I wonder if someone will dredge up one of the other supposed "overdates" soon. It seems to happen once every couple of years.
I had the pleasure of proof-reading and editing that article. Good job Dr Pra.
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='2378' dateline='1351826324'I had the pleasure of proof-reading and editing that article. Good job Dr Pra.
I noticed that he acknowledged you and Mark for your assistance with it. Well done all! :yahoo:
Quote from: 'markn' pid='2372' dateline='1351826031'I wonder if someone will dredge up one of the other supposed "overdates" soon.
Which ones are they?
But I agree with the good article sentiment. More of that kind of thing would be nice.
Quote from: 'Mister T' pid='2408' dateline='1351844746'Quote from: 'markn' pid='2372' dateline='1351826031'I wonder if someone will dredge up one of the other supposed "overdates" soon.
Which ones are they?
But I agree with the good article sentiment. More of that kind of thing would be nice.
A couple of years back someone was flogging the idea that a 1924 shilling was a 1924/3 overdate. I might have the coin or date wrong but it was something like that. Actually I don't sound like I know much at all, perhaps I shouldn't be saying anything. :blush2:
Quote from: 'markn' pid='2410' dateline='1351845336'Quote from: 'Mister T' pid='2408' dateline='1351844746'Quote from: 'markn' pid='2372' dateline='1351826031'I wonder if someone will dredge up one of the other supposed "overdates" soon.
Which ones are they?
But I agree with the good article sentiment. More of that kind of thing would be nice.
A couple of years back someone was flogging the idea that a 1924 shilling was a 1924/3 overdate. I might have the coin or date wrong but it was something like that. Actually I don't sound like I know much at all, perhaps I shouldn't be saying anything. :blush2:
That has never stopped me Mate, even if I get something wrong someone will set ME right and I gain that wisdom.
It's all WIN WIN :pilot:
I can recall there was some debate about an overdate 1933 1/2 penny :good:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='2414' dateline='1351845727'I can recall there was some debate about an overdate 1933 1/2 penny :good:
Yeah, that's been doing the rounds for years. I've never seen one nor met someone that's seen one. In honour of it I've added a new smilie to the forum. I'll let you decide what it is. :dead_horse:
Quote from: 'markn' pid='2417' dateline='1351846078'Quote from: 'trout' pid='2414' dateline='1351845727'I can recall there was some debate about an overdate 1933 1/2 penny :good:
Yeah, that's been doing the rounds for years. I've never seen one nor met someone that's seen one. In honour of it I've added a new smilie to the forum. I'll let you decide what it is. :dead_horse:
Love the new smile :dance2:
There is a picture of a claimed overdate 1933 halfpenny in the same issue of the magazine. Under the ultimate half penny set article.
Doesnt look much like an overdate to me.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='2410' dateline='1351845336'A couple of years back someone was flogging the idea that a 1924 shilling was a 1924/3 overdate. I might have the coin or date wrong but it was something like that. Actually I don't sound like I know much at all, perhaps I shouldn't be saying anything. :blush2:
I believe that one was mentioned in the article.
Supposed 1933/2 overdate halfpenny.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1933-2-OVERDATE-HALFPENNY-PCGS-MS-64-BN-IMPOSSIBLE-TO-IMPROVE-ON-/121011521525?pt=AU_Coins2&hash=item1c2cd947f5&_uhb=1#ht_2019wt_1397
Quote from: 'markn' pid='2538' dateline='1352062663'Supposed 1933/2 overdate halfpenny.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1933-2-OVERDATE-HALFPENNY-PCGS-MS-64-BN-IMPOSSIBLE-TO-IMPROVE-ON-/121011521525?pt=AU_Coins2&hash=item1c2cd947f5&_uhb=1#ht_2019wt_1397
If there's a 2 under the last 3, I'll eat my hat!
(http://i48.tinypic.com/20gh7w0.jpg)
Madness
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/RARE-1933-3-2-AUSTRALIAN-OVER-DATE-HALF-PENNY-VARIETY-/251176031817?pt=AU_Coins2&hash=item3a7b421649
Here's another one and I think this seller should know better. :dodgy:
The top of the 2nd three looks like it's taken a hit and has a small cease as a result. Very :dodgy:
Quote from: 'Nevol' pid='2580' dateline='1352155089'http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/RARE-1933-3-2-AUSTRALIAN-OVER-DATE-HALF-PENNY-VARIETY-/251176031817?pt=AU_Coins2&hash=item3a7b421649
Here's another one and I think this seller should know better. :dodgy:
The top of the 2nd three looks like it's taken a hit and has a small cease as a result. Very :dodgy:
Amazing a EE61 half penny:yahoo:
You would have thought the selller would at least take a pic of the coin the right way up:laugh2:
Mark it was IAG with the alleged 1924/3 shilling overdate if I recall correctly.
Also the 1933/2 overdate half penny does exist, here's an illustration of an example:
http://museumvictoria.com.au/collections/items/57452/coin-halfpenny-australia-1933
Note the doubling of the top of the 2nd 3 and the tip on the right of the bottom loop of the 3.
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='2594' dateline='1352168055'Mark it was IAG with the alleged 1924/3 shilling overdate if I recall correctly.
Also the 1933/2 overdate half penny does exist, here's an illustration of an example:
http://museumvictoria.com.au/collections/items/57452/coin-halfpenny-australia-1933
Note the doubling of the top of the 2nd 3 and the tip on the right of the bottom loop of the 3.
Thanks Walter! I am still to be convinced as I cannot make out much from the images there.
Yeah, I'm not sure about the 33/32 1/2d myself, either. Think there was a reference to a 1916, long 6 possibly over a 5, somewhere as well.
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='2594' dateline='1352168055'Mark it was IAG with the alleged 1924/3 shilling overdate if I recall correctly.
Also the 1933/2 overdate half penny does exist, here's an illustration of an example:
http://museumvictoria.com.au/collections/items/57452/coin-halfpenny-australia-1933
Note the doubling of the top of the 2nd 3 and the tip on the right of the bottom loop of the 3.
The (9) is also affected, may simply be a case of a doubled die! and not an overdate
Quote from: 'trout' pid='2621' dateline='1352235855'Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='2594' dateline='1352168055'Mark it was IAG with the alleged 1924/3 shilling overdate if I recall correctly.
Also the 1933/2 overdate half penny does exist, here's an illustration of an example:
http://museumvictoria.com.au/collections/items/57452/coin-halfpenny-australia-1933
Note the doubling of the top of the 2nd 3 and the tip on the right of the bottom loop of the 3.
The (9) is also affected, may simply be a case of a doubled die! and not an overdate
If an overdate is formed by striking say with a 1933 dated transfer punch onto a partially completed 1932 dated die, then doubling on other numerals can occur. There is doubling on the first 3 on some of the 1933/1932 pennies.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='2624' dateline='1352238129'If an overdate is formed by striking say with a 1933 dated transfer punch onto a partially completed 1932 dated die, then doubling on other numerals can occur. There is doubling on the first 3 on some of the 1933/1932 pennies.
So does this overdate exist or not PRA? If anyone knows you do.
i read the article and whoever scratched the die done a good job of making it look like a 3 in this shot
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/408129_387213754690145_157384523_n.jpg)
Quote from: 'Russ e' pid='2752' dateline='1352376831'i read the article and whoever scratched the die done a good job of making it look like a 3 in this shot
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/408129_387213754690145_157384523_n.jpg)
Looks like 1933/4 overdate 3d to me :good:
i might of mixed it up and posted the 3d, but i did buy one of the shillings cheap not long back, and may of posted that one thinking it was the shilling.
I have a supposedly 33/34 shilling as well, somewhere. We should post pics for comparisons, maybe.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='2755' dateline='1352377642'Quote from: 'Russ e' pid='2752' dateline='1352376831'i read the article and whoever scratched the die done a good job of making it look like a 3 in this shot
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/408129_387213754690145_157384523_n.jpg)
Looks like 1933/4 overdate 3d to me :good:
Have you ever noticed how you can see a tiny part of the 3 inside the central part of the 4?
Interesting read , 5 coins that might change Australian history
http://www.smh.com.au/national/ancient-discovery-set-to-rewrite-australian-history-20130519-2juck.html
:icon_razz: if article is right lucky we all aren't speaking Swahili now :yahoo:
who's up for a quick trip..you in goldie or can we lend ya detector :)
Thanks bellyflorin for posting that link. I probably would not have found the story otherwise. What a great read .... more than enough to wet the Wessel of anyone interested in lost history.
AJ, gee don't I wish I had the time and money. I'd be there with you in a flash. Funny I only realised that my Minelab GT 16000 has mysteriously stopped working yesterday. (It's old now, but cost me a fortune when I was younger).
Had to Google Earth it ....... this caught my attention straight away .... that's one heel of a footprint!
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yeah I wish it was that easy uni, spewin about ya detector mate..might just be a loose wire, well hope so anyway :)
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='15430' dateline='1368946373'who's up for a quick trip..you in goldie or can we lend ya detector :)
No worries AJ i will go , i will be fishing and relaxing with a few beers on the beach in my deck chair :sun_bespectacled:, as you do the detecting and digging AJ :angel:
Done, pick me up on ya way thru..I know ya need a rest after ya big day :winkextra:
A Minelab 16000, oh boy, that is going back a long time. I had a Minelab 15000, that wasn't much cop although the modern day Minelabs are top of the range world wide.
I find Gold all the time but it isn't mine so I totally ignore it.
I Reline ball and Sag mills for a quid and quite a lot of them are gold mills.
I have even had to chip that gold crap off the walls on a mill so that I can fit new liners in there :angel:
If they were sovereigns I would probably pinch them but it isn't, just raw metal to me and of zero interest and a pain in the bum as far as I am concerned.
Don't worry about asking for his boots people..already done it and he won't come to the party :(
Goldie: Indeed it was a while back. Just checked the Minelab site and they say late 1987 which would be right. I still remember parting with around $1400 back then for it at the Miner's Den in Sydney.
In the CAB issue before last, there was a right hand side page with a photo of Ian McConnelly along with his Tazzie address and mobile number. I've lost my copy somewhere and want to write him a letter ...... would someone be kind enough to let me know what his address and mobile are. Thanks! :mr47_05:
237 Turn Creek Rd
Grove Tas 7109
0409215627
Thanks for that PPH, greatly appreciated.
I seem to be losing more and more things lately, I'd even had it written down on a piece of paper and do you think I can find that! :dash1:
Ian lists his address and Ph No at the end of all his articles in CAB,
so if you can find just 1 issue of the magazine, you'd be right. :angel:
Thanks Nancy, I'd bought that copy purely after seeing that Ian's contact information was published. I'm going to contact him regarding a variety.
Still haven't found the magazine, nor even read it yet!
I haven't bought one for years now (heaven forbid!!!!) ..... actually I think the last was when it was the Australian Coin Review. I am assuming that it was renamed? Must see if they are in the shed ...... I know there's a couple of boxes marked magazines.
Anyhow, not to worry, Kathryn has helped me out (Thanks again PPH).
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='15617' dateline='1369041583'actually I think the last was when it was the Australian Coin Review. I am assuming that it was renamed?
They were separate magazines and merged in 2002 or thereabouts.
Yes there was a period where there was 2 magazines then it was CAB inc. ACR.
I like CAB mag the editor is marvelous
Quote from: 'markn' pid='2417' dateline='1351846078'Quote from: 'trout' pid='2414' dateline='1351845727'I can recall there was some debate about an overdate 1933 1/2 penny :good:
Yeah, that's been doing the rounds for years. I've never seen one nor met someone that's seen one. In honour of it I've added a new smilie to the forum. I'll let you decide what it is. :dead_horse:
I got my first 1933/32 overdate halfpenny a few days ago:yahoo:. If it isn't an overdate then it is a most unusual error on the final 3.
Fred Lever rates them as common and they are supposed to be about 1 in 10 down in Victoria, But I'm in Sydney and must have a few hundred 1933 halfs, never had one till I got a bulk lot from Victoria. Best thing is the grade is better than average so even as a plain 33 it is a keeper.
Now I have to work out how to use a USB microscope:scratch_one-s_head:
Congratulations. I'm not sure we find them as often as 1 in 10 though.
I was looking at some early this year and had identified 3 reverse dies (this was helped by having two unc ones at work). I ran it past Mark and he pointed out that there was still the possibility it was a 3 over a 3.
Die 1:
(http://www.thesandpit.net/1933halfpenny/die1_angles.JPG)
Die 2:
(http://www.thesandpit.net/1933halfpenny/die_2_angles.jpg)
Die 3:
(http://www.thesandpit.net/1933halfpenny/die_3_angles.JPG)
die 1 and die 2 are very similar. The major difference is the die polishing marks.
If it is a 1933 hubbed on a 1932, it is consistent with being derived from the more common 1932 date variety:
(http://www.thesandpit.net/1933halfpenny/comp_x.JPG)
just curious is there any actual coin collecting magazines, haven't been able to find one
The Australian Coin & Banknote
if you ask at your local news agent or book store they should be ableto get it in for you or you can get them on line if you look around, here's just one http://www.magshop.com.au/Australasian-Coin-Banknote
If you're prepared to subscribe for a year, you can do so online here:
http://www.magshop.com.au/Australasian-Coin-Banknote
11 Issues p/year for $77 saving $16.50, from the Newsagent or Coin store, they're $8.50 each. ($8.50 x 11 = $93.50)
Save even more if you sign up for 2 years.
The final issue each year is a double issue for Dec/Jan, so that's how come there's only 11 p/yr.
They usually have a stall at the ANDA shows and if you subscribe they throw in a Macca"s book.
what a nice find this was http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/world/tin-cans-filled-with-10-million-in-gold-coins-dating-from-gold-rush-era-found-buried-in-california/story-fni0xs63-1226837801851
"Wow", just "Wow".:shok:
Quote from: 'markn' pid='2417' dateline='1351846078'Quote from: 'trout' pid='2414' dateline='1351845727'I can recall there was some debate about an overdate 1933 1/2 penny :good:
Yeah, that's been doing the rounds for years. I've never seen one nor met someone that's seen one. In honour of it I've added a new smilie to the forum. I'll let you decide what it is. :dead_horse:
The variety exists, I have one. Might not be due to overdating but due to something else.
Quote from: 'gnome' pid='2606' dateline='1352188729'Yeah, I'm not sure about the 33/32 1/2d myself, either. Think there was a reference to a 1916, long 6 possibly over a 5, somewhere as well.
The long tail 6 exists, but it isn't an overdate as Calcutta had a different master die to London (with an I).
I really must get this article written when I get back from Perth.
There appear to be (at least) three reverse dies:
(http://www.thesandpit.net/1933halfpenny/die1_angles.JPG)
(http://www.thesandpit.net/1933halfpenny/die_2_angles.jpg)
(http://www.thesandpit.net/1933halfpenny/die_3_angles.JPG)