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Title: Pcgs grading
Post by: 123456789 on February 08, 2014, 06:21:50 AM
I will be getting some coins graded by pcgs soon
Of the coins I plan to get graded 1 has a very small nick to the rim and 1 has a very light rim bump. Will this efect there grading. I am hoping for for an unc grade
Thanks
Title: RE: Pcgs grading
Post by: stevo1962 on February 08, 2014, 09:26:11 AM
Quote from: '123456789' pid='41148' dateline='1391802710'I will be getting some coins graded by pcgs soon
Of the coins I plan to get graded 1 has a very small nick to the rim and 1 has a very light rim bump. Will this efect there grading. I am hoping for for an unc grade
Thanks

It might not affect the grade but if you could post pictures we might be able to give you a better idea
Title: RE: Pcgs grading
Post by: 123456789 on February 08, 2014, 10:08:03 AM
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='41154' dateline='1391813771'
Quote from: '123456789' pid='41148' dateline='1391802710'I will be getting some coins graded by pcgs soon
Of the coins I plan to get graded 1 has a very small nick to the rim and 1 has a very light rim bump. Will this efect there grading. I am hoping for for an unc grade
Thanks

It might not affect the grade but if you could post pictures we might be able to give you a better idea

Sorry for the bad pics. Had to use me phone and only seem able to add the one pic
Title: RE: Pcgs grading
Post by: Goldseeker on February 08, 2014, 10:43:10 AM
Scans of the complete coin would be better......
Title: RE: Pcgs grading
Post by: emu666 on February 08, 2014, 10:54:37 AM
Quote from: '123456789' pid='41156' dateline='1391816283'
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='41154' dateline='1391813771'
Quote from: '123456789' pid='41148' dateline='1391802710'I will be getting some coins graded by pcgs soon
Of the coins I plan to get graded 1 has a very small nick to the rim and 1 has a very light rim bump. Will this efect there grading. I am hoping for for an unc grade
Thanks

It might not affect the grade but if you could post pictures we might be able to give you a better idea


Sorry for the bad pics. Had to use me phone and only seem able to add the one pic


That edge bump may just be too severe for the coin to be gradable, but then it may squeak though. Please tell us how it goes.
Title: RE: Pcgs grading
Post by: stevo1962 on February 08, 2014, 12:09:50 PM
Here's one that is on its way to PCGS through Eric at Drake Sterling and he seems to think it will be OK

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Title: RE: Pcgs grading
Post by: Fulvio on February 08, 2014, 12:33:50 PM
Quote from: '123456789' pid='41156' dateline='1391816283'only seem able to add the one pic

If you look up the top under the banner, you will see a link to our Gallery. You can put pics in there and link them in your posts. Much better than attachments.

And may I be so bold as to suggest you pick a better username? Mark may be able to help you change it, or you could always start over. ;)
Title: RE: Pcgs grading
Post by: trout on February 08, 2014, 01:20:47 PM
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='41174' dateline='1391825030'
Quote from: '123456789' pid='41156' dateline='1391816283'only seem able to add the one pic

If you look up the top under the banner, you will see a link to our Gallery. You can put pics in there and link them in your posts. Much better than attachments.

And may I be so bold as to suggest you pick a better username? Mark may be able to help you change it, or you could always start over. ;)

We will just nick name him/her "Numbers" :)
Title: RE: Pcgs grading
Post by: Fulvio on February 08, 2014, 01:30:19 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='41182' dateline='1391827847'We will just nick name him/her "Numbers" :)

Sounds like we're pulling a bank heist.. Where's "Fingers"? :mafia:
Title: RE: Pcgs grading
Post by: Unicorn on February 08, 2014, 02:04:03 PM
Perhaps ...... The Count ..... :angel:
Title: RE: Pcgs grading
Post by: keldaw on February 08, 2014, 05:54:43 PM
fingers is helping feathers find numbers .
Title: RE: Pcgs grading
Post by: bellyflorin on February 08, 2014, 07:39:29 PM
Quote from: '123456789' pid='41148' dateline='1391802710'I will be getting some coins graded by pcgs soon
Of the coins I plan to get graded 1 has a very small nick to the rim and 1 has a very light rim bump. Will this efect there grading. I am hoping for for an unc grade
Thanks


 By the way  123456789 Welcome   to the forum lol :wavemulticolor: , yep try  to post  some better photos of the whole coin .
Title: RE: Pcgs grading
Post by: keldaw on February 11, 2014, 10:11:35 AM
could I get a grading on this coin ,? or is it not good enough .

(http://i61.tinypic.com/2eg4kg8.jpg)
(http://i61.tinypic.com/14v19jq.jpg)

 or is It worth getting a grading on ..??

     ,, kel ,,
Title: RE: Pcgs grading
Post by: trout on February 11, 2014, 10:17:40 AM
Looks like an average circulated penny Kell,Not really worth the expense  :ok:
It does however appear to have an interesting dot below the upper scroll :good:
Title: RE: Pcgs grading
Post by: keldaw on February 11, 2014, 10:21:22 AM
or this one , this penny was minted in London
 look at the p l mintmark

(http://i59.tinypic.com/2hwjudk.jpg)
(http://i61.tinypic.com/25f85zt.jpg)


 ,, kel ,,
Title: RE: Pcgs grading
Post by: trout on February 11, 2014, 10:27:57 AM
Quoteor this one , this penny was minted in London
look at the p l mintmark


Along with 18.000.000 others :)

I normally confine my submission to extraordinary coins due to grade or rarity :ok:
Title: RE: Pcgs grading
Post by: oh my florin on February 11, 2014, 11:21:39 AM
Welcome to the forum 123456789. Those coins wouldn't really be economical to send to PCGS. By the way if you are looking for PCGS graded coins try Drake Sterling http://www.drakesterling.com/coins-for-sale and Numisbid http://www.numisbid.com.au/ both are great.
Title: RE: Pcgs grading
Post by: keldaw on February 11, 2014, 11:27:28 AM
thanks jim , for the info , dawn thought she had something very rare for me .she said to let you know you just made her day .
I knew a bit about them but I just wanted her to see for herself.
 I did not want to send them overseas , just wanted to let her know the true value of coins in difference conditions ..

 thanks for the effort ..    ,, kel ,,
Title: RE: Pcgs grading
Post by: nealeffendi on February 11, 2014, 04:27:57 PM
Quote from: 'keldaw' pid='41356' dateline='1392080248'thanks jim , for the info , dawn thought she had something very rare for me .she said to let you know you just made her day .
I knew a bit about them but I just wanted her to see for herself.
 I did not want to send them overseas , just wanted to let her know the true value of coins in difference conditions ..

 thanks for the effort ..    ,, kel ,,

The 1922 standard date penny has FBL so that is scarce (especially if it has an English obverse) but not worth much more than CBL. Perhaps a dollar in average circulated grade. Not worth slabbing unless AU55 (minimum).
Title: RE: Pcgs grading
Post by: keldaw on February 11, 2014, 08:32:53 PM
thank you all for your answers ..     ,, kel ,,
Title: RE: Pcgs grading
Post by: Nightparrot on February 11, 2014, 11:10:06 PM
I've had a couple of pennies from the 1950s come back from PCGS recently graded as proofs. I know they are not proofs so they have had to go back for review. Has anyone else had this issue? I'm not a proof penny collector but if I was it would ring some warning bells.
Title: RE: Pcgs grading
Post by: echidna on February 11, 2014, 11:22:38 PM
Quote from: 'Nightparrot' pid='41400' dateline='1392122406'I've had a couple of pennies from the 1950s come back from PCGS recently graded as proofs. I know they are not proofs so they have had to go back for review. Has anyone else had this issue? I'm not a proof penny collector but if I was it would ring some warning bells.

Sounds odd.
Do you have the PCGS numbers/links ?
Title: RE: Pcgs grading
Post by: stevo1962 on February 12, 2014, 08:11:19 AM
Quote from: 'Nightparrot' pid='41400' dateline='1392122406'I've had a couple of pennies from the 1950s come back from PCGS recently graded as proofs. I know they are not proofs so they have had to go back for review. Has anyone else had this issue? I'm not a proof penny collector but if I was it would ring some warning bells.

If they were graded as proof coins I wouldnt be sending them back
Title: RE: Pcgs grading
Post by: wwwww on February 12, 2014, 09:14:07 AM
You can send them back as a mechanical error, they will regrade them and refund your shipping fees.
Title: RE: Pcgs grading
Post by: nealeffendi on February 12, 2014, 11:45:15 AM
There are all types of collectors out there, including those who collect error (mislabled) slabs. If it was a US penny then I'd leave it as is and pocket the mislable premium. For Aussie pennies it would just be a problem to sell or an annoying feature of your collection.
Stevo, sure a proof is worth more, but as the coins are not proofs then Nightparrot would need to sell to a novice "investor" to pocket the premium. That sort of seller would have not sent their coin to PCGS but APCGS and wouldn't raise the issue in this forum.
Title: RE: Pcgs grading
Post by: dcoin on February 12, 2014, 04:52:42 PM
Nightparrot, which years were these, I haven't heard of this error being made. Were they proof like or do you think pcgs just had a bad day.
Title: RE: Pcgs grading
Post by: trout on February 12, 2014, 05:51:20 PM
Quote from: 'Nightparrot' pid='41400' dateline='1392122406'I've had a couple of pennies from the 1950s come back from PCGS recently graded as proofs. I know they are not poryroofs so they have had to go back for review. Has anyone else had this issue? I'm not a proof penny collector but if I was it would ring some warning bells.

I commend your actions in doing this, Well done :good:
The more "Unsavory" people would have sold these off as proofs with the full knowledge that they are wrongly attributed without batting an eyelid.
Bloody Good Show Mate :yahoo:
Title: RE: Pcgs grading
Post by: robbiegal on February 12, 2014, 07:52:54 PM
hum
maybe they are proofs  

the 1955's, 56's  can look very proof like


night parrot

I think they are my coins (that some how ended up at you place)
you can post them back to me .....
Title: RE: Pcgs grading
Post by: Nightparrot on February 12, 2014, 09:22:22 PM
Thanks for comments all.

The two coins are very nice coins (proof-like you could say) but I did not think they were proofs.

The first coin was a 1955M penny. When it came back as proof I was surprised but said, oh well, and submitted it to Numisbid for auction. However, Walter said it definitely was not a proof so back to PCGS it went.

More recently, I had a 1956M come back as proof. I am sure it isn't a proof so it has gone back as well. Having received an opinion from Walter, who I'm sure you will all agree knows what he is talking about, I would be very reluctant to sell them on as is.

No certs yet.

The biggest issue here is I am wondering if others have had circulation strikes graded as proofs. One misgrade, yes, but two?

By the way, sorry Robbie no can do but good try.
Title: RE: Pcgs grading
Post by: robbiegal on February 12, 2014, 09:38:36 PM
my coin dealer reckons that those years can fool the best of them
he has warned me to be very careful even when buying those years from a dealer

worth a try nightparrot
Title: RE: Pcgs grading
Post by: trout on February 12, 2014, 09:44:04 PM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='41449' dateline='1392203316'my coin dealer reckons that those years can fool the best of them
he has warned me to be very careful even when buying those years from a dealer

worth a try nightparrot

Looks like Walter has his eyes open so if you want a genuine proof  Numisbid is the place to go because the coins are "Vetted" before they are listed :good:
Title: RE: Pcgs grading
Post by: Nightparrot on February 17, 2014, 10:31:16 PM
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='41401' dateline='1392123158'
Quote from: 'Nightparrot' pid='41400' dateline='1392122406'I've had a couple of pennies from the 1950s come back from PCGS recently graded as proofs. I know they are not proofs so they have had to go back for review. Has anyone else had this issue? I'm not a proof penny collector but if I was it would ring some warning bells.

Sounds odd.
Do you have the PCGS numbers/links ?

Here is a link to one of the coins originally graded as proof.

http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/27979549/
Title: RE: Pcgs grading
Post by: emu666 on February 18, 2014, 09:05:08 AM
oh dear.


The odd identification or labelling error does occur.
We just sent back 24 Burke & Wills dollars that were labelled as Burke & Wills 20c.
Title: RE: Pcgs grading
Post by: ausjack on February 18, 2014, 01:32:14 PM
Gee Peter they'd pay big money on feebay for an error like that :winkextra:
Title: RE: Pcgs grading
Post by: drakesterling on February 18, 2014, 06:29:41 PM
PCGS does make mistakes. Sometimes they're simple typos, and sometimes they misidentify a MS as a PR.

There is a PR61 1910M sovereign, but it is clearly not a proof.
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/27687319/
Title: RE: Pcgs grading
Post by: robbiegal on February 18, 2014, 07:28:15 PM
Quote from: 'Nightparrot' pid='42042' dateline='1392638476'
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='41401' dateline='1392123158'
Quote from: 'Nightparrot' pid='41400' dateline='1392122406'I've had a couple of pennies from the 1950s come back from PCGS recently graded as proofs. I know they are not proofs so they have had to go back for review. Has anyone else had this issue? I'm not a proof penny collector but if I was it would ring some warning bells.

Sounds odd.
Do you have the PCGS numbers/links ?

Here is a link to one of the coins originally graded as proof.

http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/27979549/

it's not listed there as a proof?
Title: RE: Pcgs grading
Post by: drakesterling on February 18, 2014, 07:38:45 PM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='42115' dateline='1392713895'
Quote from: 'Nightparrot' pid='42042' dateline='1392638476'
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='41401' dateline='1392123158'
Quote from: 'Nightparrot' pid='41400' dateline='1392122406'I've had a couple of pennies from the 1950s come back from PCGS recently graded as proofs. I know they are not proofs so they have had to go back for review. Has anyone else had this issue? I'm not a proof penny collector but if I was it would ring some warning bells.

Sounds odd.
Do you have the PCGS numbers/links ?

Here is a link to one of the coins originally graded as proof.

http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/27979549/

it's not listed there as a proof?

The coin was sent back and PCGS corrected the error.
Title: RE: Pcgs grading
Post by: robbiegal on February 18, 2014, 09:23:07 PM
oh ta
Title: RE: Pcgs grading
Post by: purplepennyhunter on February 18, 2014, 09:35:20 PM
We have a 21-M threepence that has been labelled as a 21(m). I had the incorrect coin number on the sub form but they should have known. Its going back for correction.
Title: RE: Pcgs grading
Post by: 123456789 on March 20, 2014, 10:26:36 PM
Well got me coins back from the plastic factory, the coin with the bump came back at au58 so I think it lost a few points because of the bump.
Thanks for all you comments