Just thought I would start up a thread so that us novices could put up some pic's/scans of the coins we are thinking of sending off to "The Plastics factory".
It would be nice to have a grade before sending coins off and spending the money and time on them :good:
I'll kick it off with these 3 coins :ok:
1st one, 1981 Proof 50 cents.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1981_50c1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1981_50c.jpg)
2nd one 1981 Proof 20 cents
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1981_20c_1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1981_20c.jpg)
3rd one 1981 Proof 10 cents
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1981_10c_1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1981_10_c.jpg)
ok I know they are proof so the grade starts at PR
and the year is 1981 :P
http://www.pcgs.com/grades.html
now you have scans so you cant pic up lines and scratches on the surface, should take photos on angles and stuff to pic that up.
tho the 20c looks like it has a line above the head -1
same on the 10c -1
Sorry trout but it's going to be impossible to grade ultra high grade proofs from almost any image.
if you are getting them done to sell them then you can do ok
even with such a more common year - to my surprise!
it's the number after the ms that makes the difference
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1981-Twenty-Cent-PCGS-MS67-Plus-/321221696115?pt=AU_Coins2&hash=item4aca4e1a73#ht_3478wt_1431
I'll be sending these over so you can test your skills on them
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Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='36248' dateline='1386219006'I'll be sending these over so you can test your skills on them
Here are my "Guestimates"
1910 sixpence.
MS64-65
Sweet coin
1916 florin
AU55-58
Too much wear to be MS
Also a sweet coin
These ones might be a bit more difficult to grade
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OK , I'll have another crack at this :)
1918 florin
AU55-58
Too marked up to be just bagging
1921 Threepence
MS63-64
Fair bit of "Chatter" on the obverse
Quote from: 'trout' pid='36251' dateline='1386220682'OK , I'll have another crack at this :)
1918 florin
AU55-58
Too marked up to be just bagging
1921 Threepence
MS63-64
Fair bit of "Chatter" on the obverse
Thanks Jim,If the Florin makes AU58 I'd be very happy
QuoteThanks Jim,If the Florin makes AU58 I'd be very happy
I would be happy if mine made VF, it is crappy like most of my florins :dash1:
Just waiting for the "Big Guns" to give their grades on these :angel:
Quote from: 'markn' pid='36246' dateline='1386217931'Sorry trout but it's going to be impossible to grade ultra high grade proofs from almost any image.
Yes I have to agree with you their Mate.
It is hard enough looking at them in hand.:angel:
I figure that if there are NO spots, marks, dings or scratches on them and they are a nice well centred strike they may be worth submitting :ok:
Here's a couple more that would we worth submitting if they grade
high enough but not too sure about the penny
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I have to Pass on these ones Mate , I am bloody useless grading coppers :dash1:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='36258' dateline='1386221782'I have to Pass on these ones Mate , I am bloody useless grading coppers :dash1:
Have a go Jim - same priciples
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='36259' dateline='1386221892'Quote from: 'trout' pid='36258' dateline='1386221782'I have to Pass on these ones Mate , I am bloody useless grading coppers :dash1:
Have a go Jim - same priciples
OK , here goes nuthin , It's a lot harder for me to see the design on coppers :)
1927 penny AU58-MS60 brown
1926 1/2 penny
MS63-64 brown
Quote from: 'trout' pid='36261' dateline='1386222325'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='36259' dateline='1386221892'Quote from: 'trout' pid='36258' dateline='1386221782'I have to Pass on these ones Mate , I am bloody useless grading coppers :dash1:
Have a go Jim - same priciples
OK , here goes nuthin , It's a lot harder for me to see the design on coppers :)
1927 penny AU58-MS60 brown
1926 1/2 penny
MS63-64 brown
I reckon you're very close with the penny but I think the 1926 1/2p
might go MS65
This coin arrived from Tas today.
Plenty of lustre left on it and it doesn't appear to have been cleaned.
I am thinking AU55-58 :angel:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1928_3d.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1928_3d1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1928_3d2.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1928_3d3.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1928_3d4.jpg)
Quote from: 'trout' pid='36336' dateline='1386297726'This coin arrived from Tas today.
Plenty of lustre left on it and it doesn't appear to have been cleaned.
I am thinking AU55-58 :angel:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1928_3d.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1928_3d1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1928_3d2.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1928_3d3.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1928_3d4.jpg)
Might only go AU50 but its hard to tell from those photos
QuoteMight only go AU50 but its hard to tell from those photos
Yes my pic's are Crappy :dash1:
I recon it is minimum AU50 so I will be sending this over with the next batch .
i'll post it on CCF and see what the Yanks recon :)
Quote from: 'trout' pid='36338' dateline='1386298390'QuoteMight only go AU50 but its hard to tell from those photos
Yes my pic's are Crappy :dash1:
I recon it is minimum AU50 so I will be sending this over with the next batch .
It does look like a better coin than the scans might suggest.The photos seem to show less wear
The 1928 3d went AU55 PCGS
Quote from: 'trout' pid='43261' dateline='1394144201'The 1928 3d went AU55 PCGS
Wouldnt have guessed that one.Must be a weak obverse strike
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='43277' dateline='1394166561'Quote from: 'trout' pid='43261' dateline='1394144201'The 1928 3d went AU55 PCGS
Wouldnt have guessed that one.Must be a weak obverse strike
The 1926-28 threepence are often found like that, you can usually identify a weak obverse strike on these by the amount of lustre remaining or the detail on the reverse.
New grades just received today .Here are a couple of the better ones
that I am particularly pleased with.These aren't up on the PCGS site yet
# 29308186 1939 Florin MS63
# 29308190 1926 Halfpenny MS65+BN
Interesting to note that the 1926 halfpenny is now the highest
graded by PCGS and is off the Bluesheet scale so I have no idea
what it would be worth.Anyone have any ideas?
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='44152' dateline='1395190246'New grades just received today .Here are a couple of the better ones
that I am particularly pleased with.These aren't up on the PCGS site yet
# 29308186 1939 Florin MS63
# 29308190 1926 Halfpenny MS65+BN
Interesting to note that the 1926 halfpenny is now the highest
graded by PCGS and is off the Bluesheet scale so I have no idea
what it would be worth.Anyone have any ideas?
There is a MS65bn at $2000 so I recon $2800 wouldn't be too unreasonable and the 39 florin at $3700 isn't too shabby either :)
Nice result Mate :yahoo:
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There is a MS65bn at $2000 so I recon $2800 wouldn't be too unreasonable and the 39 florin at $3700 isn't too shabby either :)
Nice result Mate :yahoo:
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Thanks Jim , I couldn't find an MS65 price anywhere so that's very
helpful,good stuff
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='44154' dateline='1395190971'
There is a MS65bn at $2000 so I recon $2800 wouldn't be too unreasonable and the 39 florin at $3700 isn't too shabby either :)
Nice result Mate :yahoo:
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Thanks Jim , I couldn't find an MS65 price anywhere so that's very
helpful,good stuff
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Have you got a subscription to blue sheet ?
Quote from: 'trout' pid='44155' dateline='1395191047'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='44154' dateline='1395190971'
There is a MS65bn at $2000 so I recon $2800 wouldn't be too unreasonable and the 39 florin at $3700 isn't too shabby either :)
Nice result Mate :yahoo:
Thanks Jim , I couldn't find an MS65 price anywhere so that's very
helpful,good stuff
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Have you got a subscription to blue sheet ?
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Had one last year for a while but didnt renew it
A great result Stevo, so happy for ya!!!
What else did you send off and how were the grades on those Steve ?
Quote from: 'trout' pid='44162' dateline='1395197093'What else did you send off and how were the grades on those Steve ?
This is the whole batch
#29308183 1921 shilling AU53
#29308184 1919 florin XF45
#29308185 1928 florin MS62
#29308186 1939 florin MS63
#29308187 1916 florin AU58
#29308188 1915 threepence AU55
#29308189 1923 halfpenny XF40BN
#29308190 1926 halfpenny MS65+BN
#29308191 1923 halfpenny XF40BN
#29308192 1923 halfpenny VF20BN
#29308193 1926 Penny AU58
#29308194 1925 penny XF45BN
#29308195 1913 penny AU58
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='44159' dateline='1395196602'A great result Stevo, so happy for ya!!!
Thanks Uni I still have another 40 odd coins out for grading so
its good to finally start getting some results
A cool $15,000 there Mate :yahoo:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='44167' dateline='1395200087'A cool $15,000 there Mate :yahoo:
A nice way to double your money
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='44168' dateline='1395200293'Quote from: 'trout' pid='44167' dateline='1395200087'A cool $15,000 there Mate :yahoo:
A nice way to double your money
Far more fun than the stock exchange or Boring Bullion I recon
:wavemulticolor:
Congratulations Stevo. :yahoo:
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='44178' dateline='1395206956'Congratulations Stevo. :yahoo:
Thanks PP
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='44164' dateline='1395198079'Quote from: 'trout' pid='44162' dateline='1395197093'What else did you send off and how were the grades on those Steve ?
This is the whole batch
#29308183 1921 shilling AU53
#29308184 1919 florin XF45
#29308185 1928 florin MS62
#29308186 1939 florin MS63
#29308187 1916 florin AU58
#29308188 1915 threepence AU55
#29308189 1923 halfpenny XF40BN
#29308190 1926 halfpenny MS65+BN
#29308191 1923 halfpenny XF40BN
#29308192 1923 halfpenny VF20BN
#29308193 1926 Penny AU58
#29308194 1925 penny XF45BN
#29308195 1913 penny AU58
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='44159' dateline='1395196602'A great result Stevo, so happy for ya!!!
Thanks Uni I still have another 40 odd coins out for grading so
its good to finally start getting some results
If you haven't done so already, you should get some sets registered at PCGS.
For all of the people who have sent coins to PCGS grading could I ask if you think this sixpence would get bodybagged if I sent it over.The hairlines are very difficult to see with the naked eye.I know PCGS have a certain tolerance but is this coin too far gone? TIA
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/1926b.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/1926a.jpg)
It doesn't look too far gone to me, but I wouldn't go expecting any big numbers.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='45519' dateline='1396410388'It doesn't look too far gone to me, but I wouldn't go expecting any big numbers.
MS62 would be nice
A couple of nice results back today.The 1928 florin was bought
off ebay as EF+
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29486982.html
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29486983.html
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='46075' dateline='1396841395'A couple of nice results back today.The 1928 florin was bought
off ebay as EF+
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29486982.html
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29486983.html
Nicely done Mate :good:
A great result Stevo!
Here's a coin that I purchased from Echidna yesterday that will be heading over to PCGS at some stage.Hopefully it will grade to MS63 or 64 if the fields are relatively clear
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/1910a.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/1910b.JPG)
Lovely coin.!! :ok:
:drooling: :drooling:
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='46684' dateline='1397687828'Here's a coin that I purchased from Echidna yesterday that will be heading over to PCGS at some stage.Hopefully it will grade to MS63 or 64 if the fields are relatively clear
I think it will get 63.
Maybe 64 on a good day.
I had it for many years and upgraded recently hence the sale.
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='46693' dateline='1397694479'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='46684' dateline='1397687828'Here's a coin that I purchased from Echidna yesterday that will be heading over to PCGS at some stage.Hopefully it will grade to MS63 or 64 if the fields are relatively clear
I think it will get 63.
Maybe 64 on a good day.
I had it for many years and upgraded recently hence the sale.
Looks like a nice coin Dave thanks for letting it go
Hoe strong is the mint bloom on that coin Steve?
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='46698' dateline='1397704708'Hoe strong is the mint bloom on that coin Steve?
You'd have to ask Dave "Echidna" as he has only just put it
in the post today
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='46700' dateline='1397705768'Quote from: 'emu666' pid='46698' dateline='1397704708'Hoe strong is the mint bloom on that coin Steve?
You'd have to ask Dave "Echidna" as he has only just put it
in the post today
With a bit of luck you will receive it next Tuesday.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='46702' dateline='1397707426'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='46700' dateline='1397705768'Quote from: 'emu666' pid='46698' dateline='1397704708'Hoe strong is the mint bloom on that coin Steve?
You'd have to ask Dave "Echidna" as he has only just put it
in the post today
With a bit of luck you will receive it next Tuesday.
I'd be very surprised as it's usually about 10 days from Perth to Cairns but miracles do happen
Latest results from PCGS thanks to Eric
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/20140425_122622.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/20140425_122634.jpg)
A nice bunch of mules in that stable!
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='47358' dateline='1398393847'A nice bunch of mules in that stable!
It's strange that they all graded AU55 as I thought that there would
be some higher and some lower grades
Well done Stevo!!!
I like the MS67 1971 20c!!!
Can we have a pic when they get back?
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='47360' dateline='1398394470'Well done Stevo!!!
I like the MS67 1971 20c!!!
Can we have a pic when they get back?
Thanks Uni will do , top of the pops for that one straight out of a mint set.It encourages me to send a few more over to try and top it
Great results.!! :good:
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='47363' dateline='1398395501'Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='47360' dateline='1398394470'Well done Stevo!!!
I like the MS67 1971 20c!!!
Can we have a pic when they get back?
Thanks Uni will do , top of the pops for that one straight out of a mint set.It encourages me to send a few more over to try and top it
So many of the mint set coins are pvc damaged you did amazingly well to get an MS67 1971 20c out of one. All our MS67 1971 20c were from mint rolls.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='47368' dateline='1398396661'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='47363' dateline='1398395501'Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='47360' dateline='1398394470'Well done Stevo!!!
I like the MS67 1971 20c!!!
Can we have a pic when they get back?
Thanks Uni will do , top of the pops for that one straight out of a mint set.It encourages me to send a few more over to try and top it
So many of the mint set coins are pvc damaged you did amazingly well to get an MS67 1971 20c out of one. All our MS67 1971 20c were from mint rolls.
Was probably from one of the sets out of the United States as they seem to have less PVC damage for some reason and generally haven't been tampered with
good grief Steve
soon you will be able to open up a shop!
stevos' ace pcgs shoppee
come one come all!! etc etc
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='47380' dateline='1398401295'good grief Steve
soon you will be able to open up a shop!
stevos' ace pcgs shoppee
come one come all!! etc etc
Yes I know Robbie and on the strength of these latest results I've spent the day working out what to send to PCGS next
have fun!
I am tearing the house apart trying to find my coin magnifiers
that will teach me to do a spring clean!!
the hubby took pity on me and has loaned me his
PPH bought this one back from Canberra. Common enough coin but I like the reverse. What do you think?
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/Img1057.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/Img1058.JPG)
Are those die polish lines Mark ?
Quote from: 'trout' pid='47472' dateline='1398506558'Are those die polish lines Mark ?
Yes.
Yes, see how they stop at the letters, star and date then continue after them.
I am probably wrong but this looks like a proof coin to me :)
Quote from: 'trout' pid='47477' dateline='1398507645'I am probably wrong but this looks like a proof coin to me :)
It is a bit proofy. But it isn't a proof.
PPH bought this one back from Canberra. Common enough coin but I like the reverse. What do you think?
I think you should give it to me so no one has to get hurt..R.I.P Mark :zomby: But serious very nice and looks pretty bloody good except for the star :)
thats very nice florin ,hmm lot 705 i say hehe , oops i forgot to add i think it might get ms64+
My guess is 64
Too much going on for 65
Getting back to the grading question.
I would call this a solid MS65 maybe even PL, but I am not sure that PCGS would appreciate the die scratches.
That one little hit behind the kings head shouldn't drop this to a 64 :good:
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='47607' dateline='1398581817'My guess is 64
Too much going on for 65
I think I agree with you. The lustre is very nice though and PCGS do like that. If it came back a MS64+ or even a 65 I wouldn't be too surprised.
Here's a couple for belly:
1946 large loop 6 florin. Common enough in low grade; scarce in high grade
(http://images.pcgs.com/SecurePlus/29512633_large.jpg)
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29512633.html
I'd thought this was struck through oil on the obverse; the PCGS graders thought otherwise:
(http://images.pcgs.com/SecurePlus/29512634_large.jpg)
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29512634.html
For comparison, here's my normal 6 1946 (well fairly normal, it does have obverse hub doubling):
(http://images.pcgs.com/SecurePlus/29512645_large.jpg)
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29512645.html
The "damaged" 46 is a surprising grade - can't see any damage. I think it would be good if PCGS could provide a brief explanatory note on coins that don't grade normally.
:angel: thanks emu for sharing Belly likes
PCGS can be cruel , damage hey , i think i can see something going on under the chin, maybe someone has removed a spot ???
Gee Feathers, that last one has some great die cracks on the obverse!!
The 1946 florins are bloody hard to find in MS64 or better because of the way they were transported in huge bags on trains, from what I have been told :dash1:
That bottom coin isn't damaged it came from the mint that way IMHO :ok:
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29512637.html
Just got some grades back via Eric including the above.
Thought it might get 65RB.
They are very tough on aussie bronze.
What do you reckon ?
At least they graded the double nose OK:
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29512642.html
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='48138' dateline='1399112564'http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29512637.html
Just got some grades back via Eric including the above.
Thought it might get 65RB.
They are very tough on aussie bronze.
What do you reckon ?
At least they grade the double nose OK:
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29512642.html
They are both 64 coins and the first one would be a floater between 63-64.
PCGS doesn't appear to like our streaky planchet's .
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='48138' dateline='1399112564'http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29512637.html
Just got some grades back via Eric including the above.
Thought it might get 65RB.
They are very tough on aussie bronze.
What do you reckon ?
At least they grade the double nose OK:
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29512642.html
The 44 is a corker. 64+ makes it a premium coin.
Latest results from PCGS .The 1939 shilling and the 1936 penny only have 1 each graded higher and the 1916 and 1932 halfpennies only
have 2 each graded higher,Not a bad result
77 1 29512623 17646 1910 6D Australia MS64+
78 1 29512624 17535 1921-M 3D Australia MS62+
79 1 29512625 144663 1932 1/2D Australia MS64BN
80 1 29512626 16570 1916-I 1/2D Australia MS64RB
81 1 29512627 17785 1921 Shil Star Australia AU50
82 1 29512628 17828 1939(m) Shil Australia MS65
83 1 29512629 143830 1936(m) 1D Australia MS64+RB
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='48205' dateline='1399208100'Latest results from PCGS .The 1939 shilling and the 1936 penny only have 1 each graded higher and the 1916 and 1932 halfpennies only
have 2 each graded higher,Not a bad result
77 1 29512623 17646 1910 6D Australia MS64+
78 1 29512624 17535 1921-M 3D Australia MS62+
79 1 29512625 144663 1932 1/2D Australia MS64BN
80 1 29512626 16570 1916-I 1/2D Australia MS64RB
81 1 29512627 17785 1921 Shil Star Australia AU50
82 1 29512628 17828 1939(m) Shil Australia MS65
83 1 29512629 143830 1936(m) 1D Australia MS64+RB
Very nice 39 shilling Steve.
They seem to be making more use of the + grading nowadays.
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='48210' dateline='1399210769'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='48205' dateline='1399208100'Latest results from PCGS .The 1939 shilling and the 1936 penny only have 1 each graded higher and the 1916 and 1932 halfpennies only
have 2 each graded higher,Not a bad result
Very nice 39 shilling Steve.
They seem to be making more use of the + grading nowadays.
Yes they seem to be,as a matter of interest the two halfpennies were coins I bought from you on ebay
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='48211' dateline='1399220199'Quote from: 'echidna' pid='48210' dateline='1399210769'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='48205' dateline='1399208100'Latest results from PCGS .The 1939 shilling and the 1936 penny only have 1 each graded higher and the 1916 and 1932 halfpennies only
have 2 each graded higher,Not a bad result
Very nice 39 shilling Steve.
They seem to be making more use of the + grading nowadays.
Yes they seem to be,as a matter of interest the two halfpennies were coins I bought from you on ebay
From memory I thought they were 63s.
Good on you for spotting them and taking a chance.
Better to sell an undergraded coin than overgraded.
Gee Stevo your doing really well mate, keep up the good work :good:
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Very nice 39 shilling Steve.
They seem to be making more use of the + grading nowadays.
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Yes they seem to be,as a matter of interest the two halfpennies were coins I bought from you on ebay
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From memory I thought they were 63s.
Good on you for spotting them and taking a chance.
Better to sell an undergraded coin than overgraded.
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Yeah I know some buyers might get upset even if it was just your opinion
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='48286' dateline='1399298478'Gee Stevo your doing really well mate, keep up the good work :good:
Yeah I've been very lucky and I hope I can keep picking up good
coins at the right price
hey trout you still like PH florins
found a proof one $7500 starting price, I think that's pricey
tiny contact marks visible under a glass
[attachment=2770]
who is selling that one AC?
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='48351' dateline='1399361399'who is selling that one AC?
hello robbie it looks like the one on status auctions :winkextra:
ta
looks noice too
nice pick AC
thanks belly
Lot 6217
Just after some input on whether this incused warrants slabbing, scans are very dull and is at 600DPI to show as much detail as possible, The coin in hand is very shiny, there is no wear on the high points as you can see from the queens hair and crown, it does have a degree of bagging, Now I am comparing this to my $1 mule which graded AU55 and the mule has way more wear on the high points has more scratches and marks than this coin, so to the layman this incused "should" grade higher?????? my other slabs are all MS63 or higher so they pose no guide to grade.
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r53/patchy001/incused50b001.jpg) (http://s141.photobucket.com/user/patchy001/media/incused50b001.jpg.html)
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r53/patchy001/incused50001.jpg) (http://s141.photobucket.com/user/patchy001/media/incused50001.jpg.html)
I had one of these graded AU58 by PCGS and it was in far better condition than this coin:ok:
yes I remember your AU58 incused that sold for $1100 from memory, mine is not in the ball park of that, I think it will do 55?
My greatest concern would be the coin roller marks on the obverse.
(:dash1: such a shame ...... mongrel things!!)
I wondered what they were fanx
I would think the roller marks would body bag this coin, correct me if I am wrong pcgs experts
Quote from: 'Coins from Vending' pid='50815' dateline='1401523646'yes I remember your AU58 incused that sold for $1100 from memory, mine is not in the ball park of that, I think it will do 55?
The AU58 coin lasted for 4min on eBay and sold for $500
My NGC submission has been at the "Grading/Quality Control" stage for a couple of days and my PCGS submission should show results in a couple of days as well .
36 coins 2 of which are Kell's .
There are some interesting (to me) coins in this lot.
I know everyone says don't worry be patent , The hell with that I wanna know :)
I just received an email from NGC regarding one of my coins.
NGC SUBMISSION 2632780-003 HAS PVC AND CAN NOT BE ENCAPSULATEDÂ
**********
It is only a Royal Visit Florin so I won't be doing the "Restoration" option they offered.
I have heaps of these in ch unc and just threw a couple in with the submission to make it worthwhile :angel:
Yea Yea I hear you , Trout "Dropped the Ball" again :dash1:
Anyway this will be an interesting piece as it will come back in an old fashioned "Bodybag" and not in a "Details" slab :)
Latest results from PCGS.Slowly getting them all done
1966 5c PR68DC
1966 10c PR69DC
1972 20c MS65
1971 20c MS67
1971 20c MS66
1973 50c MS65
1973 50c MS64
1972 50c MS63
1972 50c MS65
1971 50c MS65
1971 50c MS64
1971 50c MS65
:shock:
impressive
can I have a 1971 50c plze? (ha ha)
Wow Stevo!
Excellent results.
Droooooooooling over the thought of a 1971 20c MS67!!!
Still NO results from my last two submissions :cray:
Don't know what the hold up is they are all modern decimals and they have had them since 15/5/14 :dodgy:
I have just packed up another batch of 20 coins to send away.
There are pre decimal and decimal Australian coins along with Indian Coins and one 1/2 farthing thrown in for good measure.
A nice bit of variety to brighten up the graders day :)
I'm still waiting on my orders from April.
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='53590' dateline='1403928954'I'm still waiting on my orders from April.
WOW
There I am thinking that 33 working days is taking forever when the turnaround time for world modern is 23 days.
April Crikey they are certainly dragging their feet on that submission.
A question re PCGS submissions. If one sends coins to PCGS for slabbing and grading, does one have to supply a full description of each and every coin.
IE. If I sent one of each of the 2014 Alum Br $1 coin, Terra Australia with "S" counterstamp, privy mark and mint mark, would PCGS identify that coin as a "S" counterstamp/privy mark/mint mark on the tab on the slab or just 2014 Terra Australis.
It would be described like this.
Coin Number 524881
2014-S $1 Terra Australis
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='53590' dateline='1403928954'I'm still waiting on my orders from April.
early February for me.
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='53632' dateline='1403944347'Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='53590' dateline='1403928954'I'm still waiting on my orders from April.
early February for me.
What types of coins did you blokes send in to have that much of a delay.
Some of mine don't have a coin number yet is probably why they are taking their time .
Quote from: 'trout' pid='53629' dateline='1403943440'It would be described like this.
Coin Number 524881
2014-S $1 Terra Australis
Thanks for that.
Got another "bodybag" from :cray:
This is a New "Details" term for me .
http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/index.aspx?CertNumber=2632780-001
And Markn was absolutely correct about that heavily toned Canberra I sent away , It didn't make MS65 it only managed MS62 :blush:
http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/index.aspx?CertNumber=2632780-002
did you whip out the tarn off before you sent the coin away?
but seriously - did you remove spots? would you have known where the spots were?
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='53681' dateline='1404000797'did you whip out the tarn off before you sent the coin away?
but seriously - did you remove spots? would you have known where the spots were?
NO I didn't "Doctor" the coin at all, I just thought the coin was starting to tone up on the reverse.
I think the spot would have been just in front of the Kings crown by the look of the NGC pic's (Which are even worse than Mine), I just didn't notice it when I sent the coin away.
Now that I have my flash OTT light this shouldn't happen again (I hope) :angel:
bum
it looks like a very nice coin anyways
crack it out of the slab when you get it back and pop it in an eagle mount - it will still look smashing
I think the silvers are hard to detect surface problems
I've had coins that others here swear have been lightly cleaned, yet I can't for the life of me pick it
and I have a x10 magnifier!!
Quoteit looks like a very nice coin anyways
crack it out of the slab when you get it back and pop it in an eagle mount - it will still look smashing
I could always do another Giveaway/Quizz and use it as the Prize :):angel:
check this out
smoothed !!!
best i can see is 2 ripples from queens neck to '11' and behind her head are streaky lines which may be toning !!???
can anyone elaborate without coin being in hand..
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29586719.html
The detail on the Queens head and hair seems to have been squished.
I could be from a weak strike but the rest of the coin is rather well struck and it does look a bit odd.
The only way to really tell is to have the coin "In Hand" to see if there are any tell tale marks of "Smoothing", This is a term used to indicate that the coin has had a ding/dent smoothed out to improve the coins appearance .
Quote from: 'duggee27' pid='53731' dateline='1404080090'check this out
smoothed !!!
best i can see is 2 ripples from queens neck to '11' and behind her head are streaky lines which may be toning !!???
can anyone elaborate without coin being in hand..
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29586719.html
Hard to tell anything from those images. But I see a light coloured arc from her ear across the cheek. Could be a big scrape.
Something weird going on at PCGS, I have a submission that was received on 29/5/14 that has just been graded and yet the submission that was received two weeks prior on 15/5/14 is still not graded yet.
They are both World Modern submissions.
Is this a normal thing or do I have cause to worry ?
gee you guys are good
looked at this in different light , positions , loupe, in hand and compared to other proof sixpences , but it took while to confirm its the cheek
yes the strike appears soft but its the cheek , the pcgs photo shows 2 spots beside her nose, these are tiny dings, but there is another high on the cheekbone and one just below,which could have been 'smoothed'.
at the right angle i can see that her cheek is quite flat , no shape.
so problem solved and i learnt something
p.s. this coin is going back to my seller for replacement as he guarantees his coins !!
question without notice : in the above slab pcgs supplied 2 photos but with my 1946 penny (and some others ,all coppers) only one photo and not the best either !!
was there anything of note in the 15/5/14 one?
maybe it takes them awhile to upload new coins
Quote from: 'serial' pid='53835' dateline='1404180814'was there anything of note in the 15/5/14 one?
maybe it takes them awhile to upload new coins
Nothing really special , a couple of mules and an incuse 50c.
the new colored bugs and a few different mintmark terra australis coins.
1969, 1979 and 1980 Proof sets
"new colored bugs "
maybe this? need to give new designation?
Some of the newest coins were in the second batch that has already been graded
2014 high relief $1 PR68DC
2014 Cuckoo Wasp $1 MS69
2014 Stag Beetle $1 MS68
2014s A Voyage to Terra Australis MS67
"2014 Cuckoo Wasp $1 MS69"
congrats btw number 1
I hope the didn't damage anything!
I also got a 2004 Proof 50 cents with a new designation as well.
The PCGS images are getting worse all the time :dodgy:
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29961460.html
My 2004 20C Small Head is also top of the pops at PR69DC :)
I was just looking through my latest submission results and came across this image.
I find it hard to believe that I was charged an extra $5 for this crap.
Totally rubbish pics and they couldn't even crop it correctly and cut away a large portion of the coin :dash1:
The NGC images are NOT top quality but they are WAY better than this garbage.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/pcgs~0.png)
yeh these pics are awful
I sent a group of decimals to Drake Sterling on 14th May to be graded by PGCS - got the grades on 21st June
and was just advised that they are back in Sydney and I'll have them back next week.How's that for a fast turnaround
PCGS images are sometimes very poor - even shocking bad.
I've had similar.
There is nothing you can do.
I'm still waiting on a submission form early Feb.
No response from PCGS and there is nothing I can do.
Can we please get our own Aussie grading service ?
Early Feb? and I thought my April orders were bad.
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='54033' dateline='1404472893'Can we please get our own Aussie grading service ?
That would be great but the cynical side of me says the tall poppy syndrome / Aussie cultural cringe, call it what you like would soon be hard at work pulling it down. There's no doubt there are people in the local industry who have the integrity and expertise to pull it off, so until it's allowed to happen, from my perspective anything worth submitting can remain in their 2X2's in the land of good old Oz.:)
weird I submitted one 5/21/2014 and it was posted 6/18/2014 but mine was a voucher / secure/ regular
what service level did you use?
Look at this one for QC at pcgs :dodgy:
It does however give you a good look at their mechanical self centering gizmo tho :Laugh2:
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29866303.html
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='54033' dateline='1404472893'PCGS images are sometimes very poor - even shocking bad.
I've had similar.
There is nothing you can do.
Do consumer protection laws (Australian, US, Californian) cover this? Would you be entitled to a refund of at least the photography charges and perhaps the full slabbing fee as the coin would need to be removed from the slab to properly image.
Quote from: 'serial' pid='54053' dateline='1404530921'weird I submitted one 5/21/2014 and it was posted 6/18/2014 but mine was a voucher / secure/ regular
what service level did you use?
This one is a warranty submission - submitted on 12 feb.
And its a shocker.
I have no confidence in them.
I've even had grades cancelled by a third (outside) party who had nothing to do with the coin in question.
Sounds crazy but its true.
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='54078' dateline='1404555867'Quote from: 'echidna' pid='54033' dateline='1404472893'PCGS images are sometimes very poor - even shocking bad.
I've had similar.
There is nothing you can do.
Do consumer protection laws (Australian, US, Californian) cover this? Would you be entitled to a refund of at least the photography charges and perhaps the full slabbing fee as the coin would need to be removed from the slab to properly image.
I am more worried about some "Homer Simpson" type character taking my carefully looked after coin and chucking it in on that contraption and not even bothering to center the image.:dodgy:
I have NO idea what is going on at PCGS at the moment but besides the images debacle, They are creating NEW designations for coins (eg PR? DC and PR? Proof for older decimal coins?
Here is an even worse one:dodgy:
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29866304.html
Quote from: 'trout' pid='54080' dateline='1404556569'Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='54078' dateline='1404555867'Quote from: 'echidna' pid='54033' dateline='1404472893'PCGS images are sometimes very poor - even shocking bad.
I've had similar.
There is nothing you can do.
Do consumer protection laws (Australian, US, Californian) cover this? Would you be entitled to a refund of at least the photography charges and perhaps the full slabbing fee as the coin would need to be removed from the slab to properly image.
I am more worried about some "Homer Simpson" type character taking my carefully looked after coin and chucking it in on that contraption and not even bothering to center the image.:dodgy:
I have NO idea what is going on at PCGS at the moment but besides the images debacle, They are creating NEW designations for coins (eg PR? DC and PR? Proof for older decimal coins?
Here is an even worse one:dodgy:
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29866304.html
I believe Mr Magoo is currently employed there.
Does PCGS forget that their company is 100% dependent on the confidence of collectors in their professionalism? Professionally handled (no fingerprints or fumble fingers), professionally graded (consistency is king) and professionally imaged.
I have nearly 100 coins of slabable quality, until I'm certain that PCGS have their act together the first batch won't be leaving Australia.
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='54083' dateline='1404559303'Does PCGS forget that their company is 100% dependent on the confidence of collectors in their professionalism? Professionally handled (no fingerprints or fumble fingers), professionally graded (consistency is king) and professionally imaged.
I have nearly 100 coins of slabable quality, until I'm certain that PCGS have their act together the first batch won't be leaving Australia.
Exactly right.
Fingerprints will show up in 5 years.
Looks great in the slab now though.
I would also wonder how they handle coins in general.
Even talking over coins will result in spotting.
I'm holding on to my raw collection too...
QuoteI believe Mr Magoo is currently employed there.
I may make an expensive phone call and ask why the image standard has turned to crap.
Given that this submission was delayed , I would have imagined that they would have taken more care.
I am pretty disappointed when each of these decimals cost me nearly $30 each to be graded and they didn't even check the images.
Feeling pretty "Jaded" with PCGS at the moment , With a total cost of $1165.10 to get 43 coins graded ALL with crap pic's at $5 each that is $215 in wasted money in my opinion :dodgy:
I have another 20 coins in the system with PCGS and if these come back with the same problems I will "Dump" PCGS and use NGC in future .
I am rather concerned that if they cannot even bother to check the images, ARE they being diligent with the grades as well :angel:
(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc462/joseywales10/1914halfpenny_a4_zps22055f90.jpg)
Here is an example their excellent grading.
Graded MS63RB.
Was is Homer or Mr Magoo ?
Perhaps the three stooges...
Trout, those look like PCGS' free pics, PCGS offer a photography service, it's called TrueView and costs $10/coin. These photos are higher quality.
Echidna, PCGS slabbed that 1/2D MS63RB? It has material damage from a planchet flaw and graffiti, it should be a no grade.
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='54089' dateline='1404561113'Trout, those look like PCGS' free pics, PCGS offer a photography service, it's called TrueView and costs $10/coin. These photos are higher quality.
Echidna, PCGS slabbed that 1/2D MS63RB? It has material damage from a planchet flaw and graffiti, it should be a no grade.
Yes the 1914 is worthless.
PCGS have had it for 5 months as a warranty submission.
No response.
The wonderfull ANDA dealer sold it to me as ex mint roll too.
No names though....
QuoteGraded MS63RB.
Was is Homer or Mr Magoo ?
Perhaps the three stooges...
Maybe they thought the "graffiti" was part of the design, Because other than that the grade is pretty "Spot On" :Laugh2: :dodgy:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='54091' dateline='1404561350'QuoteGraded MS63RB.
Was is Homer or Mr Magoo ?
Perhaps the three stooges...
Maybe they thought the "graffiti" was part of the design, Because other than that the grade is pretty "Spot On" :Laugh2: :dodgy:
Maybe the great ANDA dealer who sold it as ex mint roll influenced the grade.
Sounds crazy but this sort of thing goes on.
In other words I would suggest that some big dealers and collectors can and do influence grades.
If anyone disagrees I can provide evidence.
No names though...
WE WANT NAMES!! (pretty please)
The thing the less than honest dealers fear is naming and shaming.
The coin isn't worthless (still a desirable coin) but not worth a hefty price.
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='54093' dateline='1404563041'WE WANT NAMES!! (pretty please)
The thing the less than honest dealers fear is naming and shaming.
The coin isn't worthless (still a desirable coin) but not worth a hefty price.
No names sorry.
I believe that I can provide the name via a PM if you want however.
QuoteTrout, those look like PCGS' free pics, PCGS offer a photography service, it's called TrueView and costs $10/coin. These photos are higher quality.
These pic's are NOT free Walter, they cost $5 each.
IF you choose NOT to go the "Secure" option you get No pic's, But the submission is $5 less per coin.
I am starting to think that PCGS is getting TOO big and cocky and are forgetting about the basics.
These buggers are charging TOP dollar at the moment but NOT producing the goods as far as value for money spent lately, Are they getting complacent or are WE as collectors ?
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='54088' dateline='1404560843'(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc462/joseywales10/1914halfpenny_a4_zps22055f90.jpg)
Here is an example their excellent grading.
Graded MS63RB.
Was is Homer or Mr Magoo ?
Perhaps the three stooges...
I believe that apparent dig to be due to the coin being struck through some foreign material. It's not a bagmark or a planchet problem so the coin is gradable in that respect.
If that really is graffiti it is a problem though.
I'm surprised you sent it over in the first place.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='54097' dateline='1404564092'These pic's are NOT free Walter, they cost $5 each.
IF you choose NOT to go the "Secure" option you get No pic's, But the submission is $5 less per coin.
You do realise the "Secure" option isn't all about the pics don't you Trout? Read this page (and I know is says "high quality images") but there's a lot more value there for your $5 than the crappy images.
http://www.pcgs.com/secureplus.html
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='54088' dateline='1404560843'Here is an example their excellent grading.
Graded MS63RB.
Was is Homer or Mr Magoo ?
Perhaps the three stooges...
Are you sure it's graffiti and not struck through something? If it is graffiti they've really dropped the ball and you should do a guarantee submission (http://www.pcgs.com/guarantee.html). I have to ask though, did you actually see an image of this coin before you bought it?
As to the tin-hat theories about Australian dealers being able to influence grades.....well the Australian market is chicken feed to them, I'm not sure why they'd even consider manipulating the grade on one coin for a market that is a mere blip on their radar.
No company is perfect, and you're all posting up isolated cases and not posting up the hundreds of times they've done it right. I suggest you email them with your issues, or better still Skype their support line and speak to a real person. Whenever I've spoken to them they've fixed up the problems I've had.
QuoteNo company is perfect, and you're all posting up isolated cases and not posting up the hundreds of times they've done it right
Why would I post every time they get it right?
That is precisely what I pay them to do and I expect nothing less.
Up until a couple of months ago the pic's were not real flash but "Adequate" , My last two submissions pic's are total Crap that's why I posted the examples.
I have NO problems with their grading and their service so far But the total lack of quality control to let these ridicules pic's to be used is a real concern to me.
Like most business if one area gets away with dropping the ball the entire company's reputation is in jeopardy.
I don't think my piddely little 12 and 31 coin submissions is an isolated case as they were graded 4 days apart.
I have NO idea of what is going on in the imaging department But it needs to be nipped in the bud ASAP :ok:
I'm a bit confused here.
Aren't the images taken just so the coin can be identified if anyone does a certificate verification? I believe images are normally only taken when the coin is submitted under their Secure Plus. On occasion we have had images appear on our modern (non- secure plus) submissions [which I consider a bonus as we have not paid for them] but never on bulk submissions.
QuoteI suggest you email them with your issues
Yes, done that .
Here is a copy of the email sent.
Hi there,
I have recently viewed the images for my latest submission and some of the work done by your imaging department is quite frankly appalling.
Here are a couple of examples
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29866303.html
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29866304.html
My previous submission was not much better either.
As I am charged an extra $5 per coin for "Quality Images" I feel that for my last 43 coins I have been charged for a service that has NOT been adequately provided .
Can you give me the reason as to why the quality of the images has become so low lately ?
Kind regards
James Hudson
Quote from: 'trout' pid='54111' dateline='1404601872'QuoteNo company is perfect, and you're all posting up isolated cases and not posting up the hundreds of times they've done it right
Why would I post every time they get it right?
Because then we'd have a real idea of how well they are doing. Right now we've got you here making a lot of noise about some coins that aren't being handled the way you'd like. Compare this with others who are submitting 100 times the coins you are and are not posting here at all. As I said, PCGS are not perfect, they make mistakes. Perhaps the others are working with PCGS to sort out the errors to improve the level of service they offer AND get the result they are paying for. Trout, if you're not happy get on the phone (or skype) to them and get it sorted out.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='54115' dateline='1404602689'I'm a bit confused here.
Aren't the images taken just so the coin can be identified if anyone does a certificate verification? I believe images are normally only taken when the coin is submitted under their Secure Plus. On occasion we have had images appear on our modern (non- secure plus) submissions [which I consider a bonus as we have not paid for them] but never on bulk submissions.
Well I'd have thought that but it does say on the PCGS secure plus page that the service includes "High-quality images available at no charge at Cert Verification". Clearly the images are not high quality. But conversely it does say specifically that the images are included in the service at no charge. So you're going to have trouble arguing that even with the crap images that you're not getting your money's worth.
Oh and trout appears to be sending his moderns under the secure plus level (which seems a waste of money to me).
QuoteOh and trout appears to be sending his moderns under the secure plus level (which seems a waste of money to me).
I had a couple of "Mules" in that last submission that were NOT mine and I considered that the images were appropriate at the time.
I have NO problem paying the extra $5 as long as I get what I pay for :ok:
Like I said the first 100 or so coins I submitted had "Adequate" images, This is a recent problem and I hope they sort it out.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='54122' dateline='1404603714'I have NO problem paying the extra $5 as long as I get what I pay for :ok:
Well you've paid for secure plus and you got that. The images are (apparently) provided free of charge, and it looks like you've got "free" quality too.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='54102' dateline='1404597967'Quote from: 'trout' pid='54097' dateline='1404564092'These pic's are NOT free Walter, they cost $5 each.
IF you choose NOT to go the "Secure" option you get No pic's, But the submission is $5 less per coin.
You do realise the "Secure" option isn't all about the pics don't you Trout? Read this page (and I know is says "high quality images") but there's a lot more value there for your $5 than the crappy images.
http://www.pcgs.com/secureplus.html
That raises lots of red flags to me, how do they laser scan a coin if 90% is outside the image area (as in those images Trout put up).
The blurb also contained some weasel words like "can" (can be used to perform a metallic composition analysis of your coin). In the sage words of Yoda you do or you don't and can implies that it is only done on an ad hoc basis. They also don't tell the potential customer exactly what standard of analysis is done, for all we know they lump .900 and .925 silver together so they won't know for example if wartime D and S coins were struck on the wrong silver or bronze pennies were struck on old or new stock.
If they record laser surfacing and metallic composition then does the customer have access to this information
that they paid for.
The crappy images are important and they are not "free" as the blurb claims as they incorporate the cost somewhere (no such thing as a free lunch).
Maybe Trout should email the contact at the bottom of the form to ask them WTF went wrong and
how will they rectify THEIR mistake,not just the cost of slabbing but the $150-200 for insured return post.
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='54125' dateline='1404605068'Maybe Trout should email the contact at the bottom of the form to ask them WTF went wrong and how will they rectify THEIR mistake,not just the cost of slabbing but the $150-200 for insured return post.
I am sure the service isn't perfect. But, I don't get your attitude here, you're pushing all of the blame onto PCGS while a portion, at least, lies with the buyer who should understand WHAT they are paying for. Which, clearly in this case, they did not. Yes, he's sent over a couple of emails but if it really is the "end of the world" which it seems to be judging by the amount of noise he's making, why hasn't he got on the phone to them?
Quotewhy hasn't he got on the phone to them?
a/
It's the weekend ( Saturday in the States) and there will be nobody at PCGS to answer my call.
b/
I don't intend to spend more money on an international phone call when an email is quite sufficient.
I don't know why you are getting "Grumpy" at me Mate , PCGS is NOT a "Sacred Cow" They have stuffed up on this occasion and I cannot see why I can't make a bit of "Noise" about it.
They are My coins and I spent My money to have them graded and I am NOT happy with the service provided on this occasion.
If NGC did the same thing to me I would be equally as unhappy with them as well :ok:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='54130' dateline='1404606573'I don't know why you are getting "Grumpy" at me Mate , PCGS is NOT a "Sacred Cow" They have stuffed up on this occasion and I cannot see why I can't make a bit of "Noise" about it.
They are My coins and I spent My money to have them graded and I am NOT happy with the service provided on this occasion.
If NGC did the same thing to me I would be equally as unhappy with them as well :ok:
I am not grumpy with you. I am providing a contrary opinion to yours. Why should you be able to bitch about PCGS without someone disagreeing with you?
Here's my vastly contrary experience to PCGS. I have sent over coins to PCGS that number into the thousands and I can think of five times that they've screwed up completely. And on every single occasion they've made good with their mistake. Even to the point of re-slabbing some coins for free to denote a variety that they did not recognise when the coins were first graded.
And regarding your excuses for not ringing them? Well it can't be that important to you if you can't make time for it. And you can use something like Skype to ring them for free.
The important thing for me is that they FIX this problem.
I haven't had ANY dramas with PCGS in the past and this will in NO way deter me from sending further submissions in the future.
The point of me bringing this problem up is so that other people with a similar problem may send an email regarding it as well to PCGS.
One lonely email from a person who has less than 200 coins graded would mean "Diddly Squat" to a company this large, Yet a few emails from other people MAY make them rectify this.
I am sure the service isn't perfect. But, I don't get your attitude here, you're pushing all of the blame onto PCGS while a portion, at least, lies with the buyer who should understand WHAT they are paying for. Which, clearly in this case, they did not.
Mark, I have read and re-read both trouts comments and the PCGS page on the Secure service and for the life of me I cannot see where Trout doesn't see what he is paying for. PCGS claims the images are an important tool for identifying if the coin is as it is claimed to be, so if Trout has no image then what security does he have?
As for using Skype to contact PCGS; I don't know if Trout has Skype (I don't), or knows how to use it (I don't), but I do know that the US is on summer holidays and with the 4th of July and the weekend he is unlikely to get much response.
Any chance that PCGS staff has dropped the ball because they have gone into holiday mode?
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='54140' dateline='1404610597'Mark, I have read and re-read both trouts comments and the PCGS page on the Secure service and for the life of me I cannot see where Trout doesn't see what he is paying for. PCGS claims the images are an important tool for identifying if the coin is as it is claimed to be, so if Trout has no image then what security does he have?
As for using Skype to contact PCGS; I don't know if Trout has Skype (I don't), or knows how to use it (I don't), but I do know that the US is on summer holidays and with the 4th of July and the weekend he is unlikely to get much response.
Any chance that PCGS staff has dropped the ball because they have gone into holiday mode?
I don't necessarily think he has gotten entirely what he's paid for. The point I am making is that the images are a VERY SMALL PART of the secure plus service level and that trout has paid $5 for secure plus NOT FOR IMAGES. Which he thought he had. If you want decent images you're going to need pony up for the trueview service (which is awesome) or send your coins to me (along with adequate compensation).
As to their response via email, I really have no idea. I wouldn't even bother trying to contact them via email, just ring them and speak to a real person.
QuoteAny chance that PCGS staff has dropped the ball because they have gone into holiday mode?
A very good point :ok:
This submission was shipped on the 3rd of July.
QuoteI don't necessarily think he has gotten entirely what he's paid for. The point I am making is that the images are a VERY SMALL PART of the secure plus service level and that trout has paid $5 for secure plus NOT FOR IMAGES.
:agreed:
A bit like paying for a Pie and sauce and not getting the sauce.
I bit of a bummer but you can still eat the pie.
You would however next time you went to the pie shop ensure that they added the sauce in the bag with the pie though:angel:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='54147' dateline='1404612161':agreed:
A bit like paying for a Pie and sauce and not getting the sauce.
I bit of a bummer but you can still eat the pie.
You would however next time you went to the pie shop ensure that they added the sauce in the bag with the pie though:angel:
The analogy that sprang to mind to me was buying a salad roll and they put mangy limp cucumber on it. Sure, they gave you the cucumber but you'd rather they'd put fresh stuff on it or not done it at all.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='54099' dateline='1404589317'Quote from: 'echidna' pid='54088' dateline='1404560843'I believe that apparent dig to be due to the coin being struck through some foreign material. It's not a bagmark or a planchet problem so the coin is gradable in that respect.
If that really is graffiti it is a problem though.
I'm surprised you sent it over in the first place.
No it was bought slabbed from a big ANDA/PCGS dealer.
Yes it really is graffiti 8/8/14
Its currently at PCGS as a warranty.
They have had it for 5 months.
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='54151' dateline='1404613435'Quote from: 'emu666' pid='54099' dateline='1404589317'Quote from: 'echidna' pid='54088' dateline='1404560843'I believe that apparent dig to be due to the coin being struck through some foreign material. It's not a bagmark or a planchet problem so the coin is gradable in that respect.
If that really is graffiti it is a problem though.
I'm surprised you sent it over in the first place.
No it was bought slabbed from a big ANDA/PCGS dealer.
Yes it really is graffiti 8/8/14
Its currently at PCGS as a warranty.
They have had it for 5 months.
OK. I really wouldn't have expected you to send one over with a problem like that.
I've heard they take a long time for a warranty submission.
I have just received a coin back from NGC in a baddy bag :dash1:
The peculiar thing is I cracked it out of a PCGS slab Graded at MS64.
Here is the pic's of the PCGS MS64 coin.
http://www.numisbid.com.au/Browse/PCGS/5669671/
Here are a few pics of the "Body Bag"
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/bodybag.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/bodybag1jpg.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/bodybag2.jpg)
looks damaged to me in the then 2012 photo
and still looks damaged to me in the 2014 now photo
I am thinking of putting it in some acetone for a while and see if I can get the stains off.
Otherwise this IS at least a MS64 coin, I could send it to NGC for "Conservation" but it would not be worth while .
I reckon it will be stained irreparably
get yourself a crisp new one mate ... let it go to where body bagged florins go - the 'seconds album'
Quote from: 'trout' pid='54338' dateline='1404987854'I have just received a coin back from NGC in a baddy bag :dash1:
The peculiar thing is I cracked it out of a PCGS slab Graded at MS64.
Here is the pic's of the PCGS MS64 coin.
http://www.numisbid.com.au/Browse/PCGS/5669671/
Here are a few pics of the "Body Bag"
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/bodybag.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/bodybag1jpg.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/bodybag2.jpg)
The moral of the story is
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Avoid problem coins
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QuoteThe moral of the story is
NO moral NO story simply an observation Feathers.
As this is a poopy browny colored mark and not the usual Green gunky stuff I thought is was just toning and was pretty disappointed with the grade from NGC.
The large majority of my coins I send to PCGS and am quite happy with their grading's and was quite stunned when this came back in a fair dinkum boddybag :(
This is what was on my desk when I got home this afternoon from Pannawonica.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/today.jpg)
Don't you just love getting packages :) any you want to show of with your new light?
Quote from: 'serial' pid='54355' dateline='1404991363'Don't you just love getting packages :) any you want to show of with your new light?
:)
Talk about Christmas in July :dance::dance2::dance:
hope you got some good grades troutie
do you collect this coin? they are not the normal tender coin that I would look at just a downies thing (I don't think its a dollar size)
http://www.downies.com/Royal-Australian-Mint/2014-Kangaroo-In-Outback-F15-1oz-Silver-Proof/5683/productview.aspx
Quoteany you want to show of with your new light?
I drove/ Flew for 14 hrs today, Then Did my Tax return and am pretty Knackered tonight.
Tomorrow I will get the camera out and post a few pic's :)
Can't wait to see them
Quote from: 'serial' pid='54374' dateline='1405000690'Can't wait to see them
Here are some of the coins received.
2004 Holographic MOR PR67DCAM
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/hg_mor.jpg)
2014 MOR Proof PR69DCAM
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/proof_mor.jpg)
2014 Ulysses Butterfly MS69
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/butterfly.jpg)
2014 Blowfly MS67
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/blowfly.jpg)
2014 Copper Nickel Colored MOR MS68
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/cuni_mor.jpg)
2014 Stag Beetle MS68
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/stag_beetle.jpg)
2014 Cuckoo Wasp MS69
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/Cookoo_wasp.jpg)
pretty pics
and pretty coins.
I have just sorted out my next submission with all my Silver proof 25mm $1 coins plus a couple of other coins.
65 coins all up, a bit of a hassle But once I got stuck into it I found it wasn't too bad after all :good:
Also this is my cheapest per coin submission ever at only $17.62 per coin ( I didn't go the secure option) it works out way better than just sending a few at a time :)
When this one gets back I'll send in the rest of my pad printed coins :)
Trout i love the blowfly coin , for some reason it reminds me of this hehe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzTGSKNjrp4
yeah what is that movie scene, in beetle juice, the one where the guy calls the fly with a candy bar
When will they be releasing the new "flyswatter" $1 coin?
(http://www.careerealism.com/home/jtodonnell/careerealism.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Plastic-Fly-Swatter.jpg)
(http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo339/appeangel07_photos/thROFL_C12.gif)
Quote from: 'trout' pid='54409' dateline='1405059763'I have just sorted out my next submission with all my Silver proof 25mm $1 coins plus a couple of other coins.
65 coins all up, a bit of a hassle But once I got stuck into it I found it wasn't too bad after all :good:
Also this is my cheapest per coin submission ever at only $17.62 per coin ( I didn't go the secure option) it works out way better than just sending a few at a time :)
When this one gets back I'll send in the rest of my pad printed coins :)
I thought you had to go secure with world orders?
QuoteI thought you had to go secure with world orders?
Not on moderns and the pics are just crap anyway, I saved $325 on that submission by NOT opting for the secure option :dance2:
Some of my coins I got back from PCGS have grades that are New to me.
What is the difference between PR69DC and PR69RD ?
I know DC stands for Deep Cameo and RD stands for Red.
Is the RD a downgrade from DC or vica versa ?
Or is it the same , Just a different type of coin ?
Quote from: 'trout' pid='54466' dateline='1405118576'Some of my coins I got back from PCGS have grades that are New to me.
What is the difference between PR69DC and PR69RD ?
I know DC stands for Deep Cameo and RD stands for Red.
Is the RD a downgrade from DC or vica versa ?
Or is it the same , Just a different type of coin ?
No, it's not the same. A coin can be PR69RD, PR69DC or PR69RDDC. If your coin is just a RD then they didn't give it the cameo designation and vice versa.
QuoteNo, it's not the same. A coin can be PR69RD, PR69DC or PR69RDDC. If your coin is just a RD then they didn't give it the cameo designation and vice versa.
Thanks Mark :good:
So a PRRD coin is a Lesser coin than a PRDC coin and a PRRDDC coin would be the top tier then .
Quote from: 'trout' pid='54472' dateline='1405120800'QuoteNo, it's not the same. A coin can be PR69RD, PR69DC or PR69RDDC. If your coin is just a RD then they didn't give it the cameo designation and vice versa.
Thanks Mark :good:
So a PRRD coin is a Lesser coin than a PRDC coin and a PRRDDC coin would be the top tier then .
I don't think there's a hard an fast rule with regard to registry sets. Quote from the PCGS website:
"Bonus points
When considering the ranking of Copper Coinage, Mercury Dimes, Roosevelt Dimes, Franklin Half Dollars, and Jefferson Nickels struck for circulation, bonus points or deductions may apply for desirable designations such as Red Brown, Red, Full Band, Full Bell Lines, and Full Steps. Mercury Dimes designated with Full Bands may receive 2 bonus points, for example. For proof coinage, Red Brown Copper, Red Copper, Cameo and Deep Cameo designations may receive bonus points and non-Cameo and non-Deep Cameo coins may receive deductions. Depending on the set, coins with these desirable designations will receive bonus points or in some cases, coins will receive deductions if they do not have the designation. Bonus points and deductions can be viewed on the Set Composite page."
It is strange to get a RD on a coin that is obviously a DC coin
This one is graded PR69RD
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29866305.html
This one is graded PR67DC
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29866311.html
They look to have the same amount of "Cameo" to me.
I will take my own images when I get back from this trip :ok:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='54475' dateline='1405122579'It is strange to get a RD on a coin that is obviously a DC coin
This one is graded PR69RD
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29866305.html
This one is graded PR67DC
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29866311.html
They look to have the same amount of "Cameo" to me.
I will take my own images when I get back from this trip :ok:
My first thought on both of those is that they are mechanical errors (labelled incorrectly). Contact PCGS and include them with your next order and they should re-holder them with the correct designation.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='54409' dateline='1405059763'I have just sorted out my next submission with all my Silver proof 25mm $1 coins plus a couple of other coins.
65 coins all up, a bit of a hassle But once I got stuck into it I found it wasn't too bad after all :good:
Also this is my cheapest per coin submission ever at only $17.62 per coin ( I didn't go the secure option) it works out way better than just sending a few at a time :)
When this one gets back I'll send in the rest of my pad printed coins :)
65 modern coins cost me about $20 per coin to send, including shipping there and back. How did you do it so cheap trout? Did you include the cost of shipping the coins there?
Quote65 modern coins cost me about $20 per coin to send, including shipping there and back. How did you do it so cheap trout? Did you include the cost of shipping the coins there?
No I forgot about that :angel:
Will probably only add another 50 cents per coin tho.
I'd get this coin slabbed if it would make AU55 or 58
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/39a~1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/39b~1.jpg)
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='54788' dateline='1405466835'I'd get this coin slabbed if it would make AU55 or 58
Based on the photo I'd say 53 is the best it would get
I just posted my entire set of silver proof 25mm Coins to PCGS today.
Now the waiting game begins again.
exciting isn't it!
I have started to see the population reports change for my coins so I will get my results soon :)
pcgs turnaround time is low atm so you shouldn't have long to wait.
Quote from: 'serial' pid='55176' dateline='1406008938'exciting isn't it!
I have started to see the population reports change for my coins so I will get my results soon :)
pcgs turnaround time is low atm so you shouldn't have long to wait.
I have 20 coins at PCGS at the moment that they received 8/7/14 but they are "World-Economy" submission so they will take a bit longer than a modern submission.
There are some pre decimals, decimals and Indian coins in this one and I am interested to see how the Indian coins grade out at.
what indian have you got?
Quote from: 'serial' pid='55184' dateline='1406011041'what indian have you got?
2x silver Rupees 1916 and 1921
4x 1/12 annas 1931 1932x2 and 1933
1x 1/2 piece 1932
and a 1844 1/2 Farthing thrown in for good measure :)
I sent of a bit of indian copper as well, they got logged in 30/6/08 on economy
2x1883-C 2 An MS
1878-C 2 An Incuse "C"
1901(c) 1/12 An MS
1913(c) 1/4 An MS
1907(c) 1/12 An MS
1904(c) 1/12 An MS
1899(c) 1/12 An MS
1903(c) 1/2 Pc MS
I wouldn't usually but I have quite a few that I think will hit ms so I thought I would test the waters.
let me know how you go with yours
QuoteI sent of a bit of indian copper as well, they got logged in 30/6/08 on economy
Have you got the results back for these yet Serial?
I don't expect any results for mine for another week to 10 days but yours should be close.
My submission with the 65 Silver proofs hasn't even got there yet and I am hopeful that I will get my first PR70 grade with at least one of these.
yeh this is what I got
1938 Crown Australia Genuine - AU Details (92 - Cleaned)
1934-35 Florin Centennial Australia MS61
1927(m) 1D Australia MS64RB
1687 2D Mdy Gr.Britain XF45
1883-C 2 An India MS63+
1883-C 2 An India MS63+
1878© 2 An B/II India AU58
1901© 1/12 An Awadh MS63RB
1913© 1/4 An India MS64RD
1907© 1/12 An India MS64RB
1904© 1/12 An India MS64RB
1899© 1/12 An India MS64RD
1903© 1/2 Pc India MS63RB
I am still waiting for my friggin modern submission! I have actually got the economy in hand and still don't have the modern result!
both submitted at the same time
times have blown out again looking at their site
NICE :good:
What is the PCGS cert number for the 34-35 florin? So I can check it out.
I have one of these in the 20 coin submission I am waiting on.
OOP"S
After tediously filling out 4 sheets of details for my last submission I forgot to sign it :dash1:
I have replied to the email PCGS sent me and I hope that will fix this.
Anyone else had the same problem?
All sorted out with a couple of emails :yahoo:
The tracking number I had for this submission didn't work and I was starting to worry as this lot is 99% of my silver proof collection of 25mm dollars.
Very relived that they are at PCGS and are now in the system, after all this stress it would be nice to get a couple of PR70 grades back :angel:
silly boy!
good to hear it worked out. now you just have to wait forever to get your results!
Trout: You seem to be sending a lot of coins to PCGS over the past few months if I am reading this Topic correctly.
Not trying to be rude, but how much do they charge you for that service.
I was charge $35.00 when I sent my batch across via a member of this forum.
(Please be advised that I am not complaining about what I was charged, I am just wondering that's all?.
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='55972' dateline='1406864350'Trout: You seem to be sending a lot of coins to PCGS over the past few months if I am reading this Topic correctly.
Not trying to be rude, but how much do they charge you for that service.
I was charge $35.00 when I sent my batch across via a member of this forum.
(Please be advised that I am not complaining about what I was charged, I am just wondering that's all?.
With a large submission ( 40 or more coins) of Moderns it averages out at about $20 per coin and about $25 a coin for the economy (Predecimal ) submissions.
Thanks for that Trout.
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='55975' dateline='1406869439'Thanks for that Trout.
Those prices are Without the Secure option which in all honesty I consider a total waste of money :ok:
Economy requires the secure option. Also I don't think you've added the shipping to get there. Our most recent submissions ended up being $33 a coin and that depends on what the exchange rate is when they charge you, it's always changing. It has got as low as $28 for economy. Moderns are less, for us $23 a coin and has been as low as $16. This includes ALL fees except the joining fee which gives us (8) free coins which need a separate submission..
I bought the 2011 and 2012 Fine silver proof year sets to get the 25mm $1 coin for my Silver proofs collection of these (Still need the 2010 coin) the other coins are nice and I am thinking of sending both sets in to be graded by PCGS.
Do I have to remove them from the capsules or can I send them in as they are in a saflip (Capsule and all)
I have had about 50-60 coins come back graded MS69 or PR69 and want a PR70 so bad I can almost taste it.
You have to take them out of the capsule.
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='56145' dateline='1407131933'You have to take them out of the capsule.
I thought so :dash1:
I would imagine that the dies used on these would be used on the Gold first then the Silver before being used for the Standard Proof sets.
The Quality of the strike and the coins themselves is outstanding , Nothing like the run of the mill Mint sets :good:
I had my 2014 25mm dollar coin from this years Proof set graded earlier this year.
This is a selectively Gold plated Cu/Nickel coin NOT Silver as PCGS describes it.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/2014_gold_plated_proof.jpg)
This is the Silver proof 25mm Coin
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/2014_silver_proof.jpg)
I have emailed PCGS regarding this mistake on 3 separate occasions and they haven't even had the decency to answer the emails
wow they look good close up
I just got my results back for the 20 coin submission .
I did get one "Details" coin again :dash1:
Some of the ones that stood out for me
1921 rupee MS62
1932 1/12 Anna MS65RB
1932 1/12 Anna MS65RD
1932 1/2 Pice MS66RB
1844 1/2 Farthing MS62BN
Quote from: 'trout' pid='56232' dateline='1407273208'I just got my results back for the 20 coin submission .
I did get one "Details" coin again :dash1:
Some of the ones that stood out for me
1921 rupee MS62
1932 1/12 Anna MS65RB
1932 1/12 Anna MS65RD
1932 1/2 Pice MS66RB
1844 1/2 Farthing MS62BN
Nice results when did you send this lot over Jim
QuoteNice results when did you send this lot over Jim
I sent them the end of June, they were received 8/7/14
There were 6 Decimals, 6 Pre Decimals, 7 Indian coins and the one Brit coin in this submission.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='56235' dateline='1407275016'QuoteNice results when did you send this lot over Jim
I sent them the end of June, they were received 8/7/14
There were 6 Decimals, 6 Pre Decimals, 7 Indian coins and the one Brit coin in this submission.
Ok about the same time as my economy submissions went over so
they must be very close
trout , well done
you are creating more interest with your lot.. :yahoo:
i just might have to break into another area of collecting when that ever elusive tax cheque arrives :grin:
Quote from: 'duggee27' pid='56239' dateline='1407275930'trout , well done
you are creating more interest with your lot.. :yahoo:
i just might have to break into another area of collecting when that ever elusive tax cheque arrives :grin:
You can blame Markn for the interest in Indian coins , After seeing some of his coins he posted they became a must have for me :angel:
With the exception of the Victoria Cross $5 coin My Decimal results were not to good.
2014 $5 Victoria cross MS69
2014b $1 Terra Australis MS66
2014 50c German New Guinea MS67
2014 50c AIATSIS MS66
2014 50c Cocos Islands MS64
2014 50c Boer War MS67
aaahhhh not fair!
I am still waiting for mine modern received on the 30/6
well at least you got some nice grades on the indian coins and the 34 florin
did you send a 2014 MOR with this lot?
Quote from: 'trout' pid='56241' dateline='1407279964'With the exception of the Victoria Cross $5 coin My Decimal results were not to good.
2014 $5 Victoria cross MS69
2014b $1 Terra Australis MS66
2014 50c German New Guinea MS67
2014 50c AIATSIS MS66
2014 50c Cocos Islands MS64
2014 50c Boer War MS67
Hi trout, do you have all your coins graded? If not, how do you choose which ones to grade?
Thanks in advance.
Quotedid you send a 2014 MOR with this lot?
No I'm sweating on the last of the Bugs to arrive, Ill sent a couple in then along with the 2011,2012,2013 and 2014 Silver proof 25mm coins .
I'm thinking of sending a bunch of Silver Proofs from the two sets i bought as well :)
QuoteHi trout, do you have all your coins graded? If not, how do you choose which ones to grade?
No way I could afford the grading fees on all my coins, I have far too many for that.
Just concentrating on the New issue stuff and my 25mm dollars at the moment.
Looks like the imaging department has been given a talking to :good:
https://www.pcgs.com/Membership/sharedorder.aspx?OrderNo=20829892
Quote from: 'trout' pid='56314' dateline='1407372412'Looks like the imaging department has been given a talking to :good:
https://www.pcgs.com/Membership/sharedorder.aspx?OrderNo=20829892
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30430767.html
:dodgy:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='56314' dateline='1407372412'Looks like the imaging department has been given a talking to :good:
https://www.pcgs.com/Membership/sharedorder.aspx?OrderNo=20829892
When did you send this lot in Jim?
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='56319' dateline='1407376483'Quote from: 'trout' pid='56314' dateline='1407372412'Looks like the imaging department has been given a talking to :good:
https://www.pcgs.com/Membership/sharedorder.aspx?OrderNo=20829892
When did you send this lot in Jim?
End of June :)
Quote from: 'trout' pid='56321' dateline='1407376752'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='56319' dateline='1407376483'Quote from: 'trout' pid='56314' dateline='1407372412'Looks like the imaging department has been given a talking to :good:
https://www.pcgs.com/Membership/sharedorder.aspx?OrderNo=20829892
When did you send this lot in Jim?
End of June :)
Well done mate, PCGS getting slack with the quality of images. :dodgy:
QuoteWell done mate, PCGS getting slack with the quality of images. Dodgy
My next submission won't have any PCGS images, I opted out of doing that and saved myself $325 by doing so :good:
When I get them back I will take my own images and post them up on the 25mm Dollar coin thread, They will be a lot better than the scans I have posted up there :angel: :)
ok ok goin off track a little sorry but WTF, I asked a while ago about the cheapest and easiest way to get coin graded and as usual I got 500 different answers and typical couldn't work out who to believe because some say you can do something then others say you can't so ya's wonder why people get annoyed and say stuff it and give it all away..so if I take all the cheapest options and no pic's SHOULD end up the cheapest way and allow me to get coins done cheapish and that's why I asked about sending "bulk" but apparently that means all of the same coin but I meant so I can send large amounts of different coins..man why is every thing like pullin teeth and so bloody hard these days as I can't afford or justify the money it would cost to do what I'd like to do if I can't make any money so I'd just be doin it for nothing basically, oh woe is me :(
ausjack you need to decide for yourself why you are getting a coin graded. I usually have 2 motives when I choose what coins to get graded.
1. to add value to a coin eg if I think a coin is high end ms or hard to sell because of all the fakes out there I get it graded to make the coin more liquid should I ever need the money. having said that I am yet to sell a graded coin. they just are so much easy to look after whilst still being able to handle " my preciousssss".
2. because I want to get it graded for personal enjoyment. eg to add to a set registry or just because I want to see how it compares to other coins out there. this is actually a less common motivator as generally the cost of grading does not improve by the value of the coin enough to make it a good financial decision but I do it anyway. I know of some people who do this more than me coughtroutcough. but there is nothing wrong with it so long as you accept you are spending the grading fee on a glorified 2x2
also if you are considering sending a bulk lot of coins eg lots of different coins, don't just consider the cost of doing so, but also consider how you would feel should you lose that package of coins. this is one of the reasons I will not send 100 coins at a time as i could not stand to lose that many coin at once. it is so hard to obtain coins worth grading and the work I put into finding them would be for naught if they got lost, it would break my heart even if I got compensated by Australia post for the insured value.
QuoteI know of some people who do this more than me coughtroutcough. but there is nothing wrong with it so long as you accept you are spending the grading fee on a glorified 2x2
Maybe so But I will have a "Kick Arse" registry set that will take some beating once all my 25mm Silver proofs are Graded :dance::dance2::dance: :yahoo::)
Yeah I hear ya serial and thanks mate but I'm trying, but it's so hard to find a way of DSP as I can't labour any more and I'm not a tech head and at the pain clinics they tell you to get into your hobbies full time and make money but all my hobbies just cost me money so far but I have some nice coins so it's all good :)
:laugh2: you crack me up trout :good:
Quote from: 'serial' pid='56689' dateline='1407726006'ausjack you need to decide for yourself why you are getting a coin graded. I usually have 2 motives when I choose what coins to get graded.
1. to add value to a coin eg if I think a coin is high end ms or hard to sell because of all the fakes out there I get it graded to make the coin more liquid should I ever need the money. having said that I am yet to sell a graded coin. they just are so much easy to look after whilst still being able to handle " my preciousssss".
2. because I want to get it graded for personal enjoyment. eg to add to a set registry or just because I want to see how it compares to other coins out there. this is actually a less common motivator as generally the cost of grading does not improve by the value of the coin enough to make it a good financial decision but I do it anyway. I know of some people who do this more than me coughtroutcough. but there is nothing wrong with it so long as you accept you are spending the grading fee on a glorified 2x2
also if you are considering sending a bulk lot of coins eg lots of different coins, don't just consider the cost of doing so, but also consider how you would feel should you lose that package of coins. this is one of the reasons I will not send 100 coins at a time as i could not stand to lose that many coin at once. it is so hard to obtain coins worth grading and the work I put into finding them would be for naught if they got lost, it would break my heart even if I got compensated by Australia post for the insured value.
Hey AJ,
If you are really considering sending 100's of coins, I would highly recommend submitting your coins via Eric, Walter or Sterling Currency (Andrew) etc... I have done PCGS submissions before myself, it is not worth the hassle. specially when you are doing a bulk lot.
Thanks mate, I'd have to get them sussed but yeah I have 66 and 06 proof set and 13 wedding sets so there's nearly 100 there and a few other things that probably wouldn't grade that well but still be worth doing as they're rare but would like a second opinion so yes if I can make sydney anda I will be annoying the b'jesus out of Eric but it's ok, he knows I'm a pain :winkextra:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='56703' dateline='1407734828'Thanks mate, I'd have to get them sussed but yeah I have 66 and 06 proof set and 13 wedding sets so there's nearly 100 there and a few other things that probably wouldn't grade that well but still be worth doing as they're rare but would like a second opinion so yes if I can make sydney anda I will be annoying the b'jesus out of Eric but it's ok, he knows I'm a pain :winkextra:
Don't worry AJ as I've annoyed the crap out of Eric for the last year and he's been quite nice about it
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='56703' dateline='1407734828'Thanks mate, I'd have to get them sussed but yeah I have 66 and 06 proof set and 13 wedding sets so there's nearly 100 there and a few other things that probably wouldn't grade that well but still be worth doing as they're rare but would like a second opinion so yes if I can make sydney anda I will be annoying the b'jesus out of Eric but it's ok, he knows I'm a pain :winkextra:
No worries mate, happy to give my 2 cents worth...
I have done some submissions via Eric, he lives close to me so I use him... bigger the submission better it is. Good luck !
careful A J , just remember with 100 coins as bulk , you will be
looking at about $ 30.00 per coin I think some where around that
price , so that is around $ 3000.00 from go to wo ,
so please , just be careful and think about it hard and long before
you do anything like that ..
,, kel ,,
A J , none of my business , I know that but I would hate to see you
get burnt , remember I am your friend .. and just trying to help ..
,, kel ,,
This one will be going to PCGS so I would hope that it makes at
least MS64+
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/20140811_190836.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/20140811_190714.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/20140811_190824.jpg)
easy as
If not a tad better - fingers crossed for you
Nice picture to capture that colour!
Another new arrived destined for the slab
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/34b~1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/34a~1.jpg)
SWEET coin Stevo, ms ummm 64 or over hard to tell coppers yet sorry and is that a die crack between rex and F, beautiful :drooling: Worth a pretty dollar once slabbed.
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='56871' dateline='1407882685'SWEET coin Stevo, ms ummm 64 or over hard to tell coppers yet sorry and is that a die crack between rex and F, beautiful :drooling: Worth a pretty dollar once slabbed.
I'll have to have a good look at that AJ
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='56869' dateline='1407880370'Another new arrived destined for the slab
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/34b~1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/34a~1.jpg)
Very nice coin, will grade 62BN or maybe 63BN if you're lucky.
Quote from: 'dcoin' pid='56974' dateline='1407950783'Very nice coin, will grade 62BN or maybe 63BN if you're lucky.
Definitely better than MS62 and will go RB as it has a high percentage of red but it will be heading over to PCGS in the next couple of weeks so I'll know soon enough
I think the 34 is an easy 64RB with a shoe in at 65.
Stunning coin Mate :good:
Well I am probably going to be a bit ironic with this post in a PCGS thread but I am sending these coins into NGC (I'd send them to PCGS if they accepted them tho.) Just have to purchase three more coins to send in and I can buy an NGC membership so the grading should be a bit cheaper.
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Thinking a ChXF grading through to a hopeful ChAU grading on the silver Alexander while the second bronze Kassander could really go from VF to XF because of the overstrike. Hopefully I get all 5's on the strikes and surfaces designations.
I see a hint of rainbow around the George so I think this is a coin far better in hand than photographed, no offense meant stevo
plus with your track record this will prob go ms67rb!
Quote from: 'dcoin' pid='56974' dateline='1407950783'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='56869' dateline='1407880370'Another new arrived destined for the slab
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/34b~1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/34a~1.jpg)
Very nice coin, will grade 62BN or maybe 63BN if you're lucky.
Looks like it has enough red to see RB. And a 63 with some chance of a 64. I don't see it going higher as the lustre looks impaired. Images aren't the best for accurate grading.
I agree with markn the 34 definetely has more than enough red to get RB and 63 or 64 is most likely.
Just got my results back from PCGS for my silver proof dollars.
Nine PR70 and 43 PR69 grades from 65 coins.
Verry happy with these results :yahoo:
SWEEET so now you can stop callin me to bitch about how slack PCGS is :mocking: Sorry, gee I don't know why I'm so naughty some times :blush2: but about time and good work trout you deserve it after all the hard work you've put in mate :friends:
yah you got the 70's you wanted. out of interest what were they?
"interest" has nothing to do with them serial they are trouts coins :mocking: sorry I wanna be good :angel: They should be on the register so you should be able to see :)
? Don't know how that works aj. I suppose if you know trouts pcgs name it might help but then you'd have to know which are the new coins and so on.
sorry RG in my own little world as usual mate so it's all good :blush: but easy to find people on pcgs just look for the set reg and coins they're talking about like here as trout uses trout everywhere so he's easy to find :)
this is commemorative and circulated dollar coins with our troutoffski running 3rd :yahoo:
http://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/composite.aspx?c=2386
Quote from: 'serial' pid='58018' dateline='1409008132'yah you got the 70's you wanted. out of interest what were they?
The submission number is 5354155 and it should be on the "shared submissions" page.
I'm at work at the moment and don't get home until Saturday.
You got only 64 on the 2014 mor?!? I hope I do better than that on the one I sent! Just goes to show how baggy the rolls are
Did you expect 53 on the incuse? Or was it a surprise?
Quote from: 'serial' pid='58058' dateline='1409044703'You got only 64 on the 2014 mor?!? I hope I do better than that on the one I sent! Just goes to show how baggy the rolls are
Did you expect 53 on the incuse? Or was it a surprise?
The MOR coin was the one AC sent me, I am hoping for at least a 66 from the 3 I sent in.
The incused was exactly what I thought it would be, I have quite a few in this grade. [/b]
we want pickys
Quote from: 'Australian coin' pid='58084' dateline='1409102153'we want pickys
I will take images of all the coins when they arrive home from the US.
I will add them to the dollar coin thread :ok::)
I have 3 days off so I should be able to sort out and submit all the rest of my coloured 25mm coins and all my MOR business strike and Proof Coins.
That's about 60 odd coins to tag and bag :dash1:
That will only leave the ali/bronze commemorative 25mm dollar coins to get done :angel:
looking for opinions
reckon this is worth sending with such a big scratch?
reckon they'd bin it?
ta in advance
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a585/auntyrobbs/PC2901022_zps31a3c18d.jpg)(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a585/auntyrobbs/PC2901002_zpsb746bdd5.jpg)
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='58215' dateline='1409350150'looking for opinions
reckon this is worth sending with such a big scratch?
reckon they'd bin it?
ta in advance
I don't think they will bin it but it's a possibility. However, looking at the population report, you really need a coin that's going to be better than MS64RB, not sure it will top that....
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='58215' dateline='1409350150'looking for opinions
reckon this is worth sending with such a big scratch?
reckon they'd bin it?
ta in advance
I think they would grade it OK.
Would be worthwhile if it got 64RD.
Hard to get RD with these.
I have just bagged and tagged the other 30 pad printed 25mm dollar coins to send to PCGS, some of these have been in 2x2's since 2006 and look great still.
It will be interesting to see what grades they achieve .
I will add a few more decimals to make the total 40 coins to make a full submission.
The 25mm ali/bronze coins are the next to get sent to the plastics factory, I will send these over 100 at a time to take advantage of the $1.40 per coin postage cut.
Look out Feathers I'm about to catch up with you on the PCGS site registry :diablo::)
man if only you were in perth. we could combine and save postage
Quote from: 'serial' pid='58287' dateline='1409449038'man if only you were in perth. we could combine and save postage
I have decided to send a batch of 100 coins in this time, that will still leave nearly 200 to get graded .
I will send most of the business strike coins in first then I will send in the Proof coins later.
I am hoping to get them all done by the end of this year.
My biggest submission ever, it has taken me all morning to bag and Tag this lot. and fill in the paperwork .
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/the_100.jpg)
You must have plenty of spare cash to be paying for that lot to be graded and slabbed or does the grading/slabbing costs become a tax write-off?.
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='58313' dateline='1409477235'You must have plenty of spare cash to be paying for that lot to be graded and slabbed or does the grading/slabbing costs become a tax write-off?.
Its not about the "spare cash" , Its more about commitment :ok:
this submission WILL knock Emu down a place and the other coins I send in will give me precedence over "Timbertop" :yahoo:
Its all about "Kudos" Mate :)
mate you need to use the online form!
and get a label maker. will save you heaps of time and the online form makes it easier to do.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='58321' dateline='1409484808'Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='58313' dateline='1409477235'You must have plenty of spare cash to be paying for that lot to be graded and slabbed or does the grading/slabbing costs become a tax write-off?.
Its not about the "spare cash" , Its more about commitment :ok:
this submission WILL knock Emu down a place and the other coins I send in will give me precedence over "Timbertop" :yahoo:
Its all about "Kudos" Mate :)
Nice going Jim and a far cry from the days when you used to crack them out of the slabs
QuoteNice going Jim and a far cry from the days when you used to crack them out of the slabs
AHH , them were the days when I had plenty of disposable income to spend on coins instead of grading companies :angel:
So how would you go in sending a near/almost complete collection of Alum-Br $1 coins, all 270 or so of them (I think) and what would that lot cost?
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='58456' dateline='1409659834'So how would you go in sending a near/almost complete collection of Alum-Br $1 coins, all 270 or so of them (I think) and what would that lot cost?
At an average of $20 per coin.
Do the math :ok:
That works out at around $5,400.00 plus I presume insurance and postage, closr to $6K I would say.
Is it worth it and if so, would you send them all as one package or send multiple packages over a period of time?
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='58460' dateline='1409663004'That works out at around $5,400.00 plus I presume insurance and postage, closr to $6K I would say.
Is it worth it and if so, would you send them all as one package or send multiple packages over a period of time?
It depends on how you define "worth it".
As a business proposition or investment. Then probably not.
As a way to improve your grading skills and to gain more satisfaction from this hobby, I personally would say YES it is well worth the expense.
Can u send them modern economy. I think that is the cheaper option?
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='58474' dateline='1409703379'Can u send them modern economy. I think that is the cheaper option?
Yes and skip the secure option with the crappy images works out quite well.
"Modern Economy"?
MODERN (1965 to date)
http://www.pcgs.com/servicesandfees/
Thankyou for that.
Just opened a letter from Aus post telling me my 65 coin submission is being held by Customs :dash1:
I have emailed Customs and sent them my invoice from PCGS, I'm buggered if I am going to pay an import duty on my own property :dodgy:
This is the quote from Walter from another thread.
QuoteFill the N10 form, the declaration for the contents is as followed:
Description of goods: Returning Australian Goods
Tariff Classification: 71181000
Concession: GST Ex 417
You will probably have to pay GST on the Grading fee though, unless if others know what code you need to use for that.
-rob
Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='58607' dateline='1409967020'This is the quote from Walter from another thread.
QuoteFill the N10 form, the declaration for the contents is as followed:
Description of goods: Returning Australian Goods
Tariff Classification: 71181000
Concession: GST Ex 417
You will probably have to pay GST on the Grading fee though, unless if others know what code you need to use for that.
-rob
Thanks Rob.
I filled out the PDF N10 form and have emailed it to Customs.
This really is a pain in the Bum.
it is bad enough waiting for the coins to arrive in the states, wait for the grading process, wait for the coins to arrive back home without this "Malarkey" with Customs :dash1:
dude it sucks that you may have to pay gst on a service not available in australia
Quote from: 'serial' pid='58617' dateline='1409978497'dude it sucks that you may have to pay gst on a service not available in australia
I can't see why I SHOULD have to pay GST on a service that wasn't provided in Australia:dodgy:
Just got off the phone to Customs.
It took me a good 20 min to get to talk to someone that was NO help whatsoever :dash1:
I sent them a copy of my PCGS invoice with the N10 form via email, I hope that this should be enough information to allow these Morons to release my coins.
Aw Crap, I will probably have the same dramas when my 100 coin submission comes back :cray:
Quote from: 'serial' pid='58617' dateline='1409978497'dude it sucks that you may have to pay gst on a service not available in australia
The Customs department would dispute that and use APCGS as a grading service in Australia.
Does the Customs department only make these hoops for larger submissions or for all submissions? IIRC they don't collect GST on imports under $1,000 so has anyone had these hassles with smaller (say 30 coins) lots as the slabbing fee/insurance/postage would be under a grand.
APCGS shouldn't be used it is in no way comparable to PCGS and reputable TPGs anyway if customs brought it up could dispute it as it isn't a third party nor good at grading therefore it is different? Believe me in studying law you have massive cases decided on the most trivial thing imaginable honestly it is ridiculous.
Quote from: 'oh my florin' pid='58856' dateline='1410220615'APCGS shouldn't be used it is in no way comparable to PCGS and reputable TPGs anyway if customs brought it up could dispute it as it isn't a third party nor good at grading therefore it is different? Believe me in studying law you have massive cases decided on the most trivial thing imaginable honestly it is ridiculous.
I agree that PCGS and APCGS is comparing oranges and lemons (you can guess which one is a lemon) but Customs controls the fruit bowl and has possession of your coins. They have in-house lawyers and a massive budget and they know that us peons cannot afford to spend 100 grand (plus) to take our case to court. Wait a year or three, have our day in court and if we win we save a few hundred dollars and they hand over our property (assuming they have not lost or damaged it in storage).
So we have to bend over and pay for our goods.:cray: unless we want to fund a barristers latest sports car.
Some results just in.Nothing spectacular but some
were better than expected
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30435038.html
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30435107.html
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30435108.html
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30435112.html
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30435114.html
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30435120.html
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30435124.html
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30435127.html
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30435133.html
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30435135.html
Check out the photo.PCGS are on the ball
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30435033.html
Don't worry about the photos
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30435095
did you want to sell/swap that 1910 shilling? I need one for my set
We've got a nice 1910 shilling in our upcoming auction:
http://www.numisbid.com.au/Browse/1910_Shilling_PCGS_MS64/10815
I didn't notice that. it is hard to have to scroll through so many listings to do my research so I was going to give this auction a miss. looks like I will have to attend now, I have put a bid in on it in the mean time
I really wish you would do a printable lists!!
"insert begging emoticon here"
I wasn't expecting this.
I'm horrible with Silver, always a grade or more too harsh on them.
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30435070.html
Well I must say that is a pretty nice shilling there Fr45h3R good pick up and great grade
I got a bill from Customs and had to pay a Tax on the shipping and insurance of $48.85 WTF.
I've had 335 coins either graded or waiting to be graded this year and now the Customs ratbags want a cut of the pie as well :dash1:
It's not just the extra cost that annoys me it is the extended delay of getting my coins back.
come on trout some one has to pay for abbott's huge pay cheque and the massive increases to asio and the like and not to mention the 80 new highly trained :police_badge: to bust home grown terrorists at the airports :scratch_one-s_head: but to me as soon as they leave the country cut up their passports and tell them to go :whistle2: and we don't care where they go but they're not allowed back here as they obviously don't want to be australian so why should it keep costing us to then keep them locked up in our gaols..now wouldn't that save heaps on having to train, arm and pay these officers that customs should already be doing so then you might not get stung so hard at customs..sure it's not just extortion because it sounds like it to me..give me more money and you can have your goods :mafia: yep that sounds like it to me :angel:
I want to know if the country is so broke and budget blown out and has no money to support the weak or medicare any more how come we can find all this money to do things like this and build roads to nowhere and don't start me on the pollies and their entitlements as I don't see why they should get paid a squillion, get huge super AND pension with all the other lurks and perks and all at tax payers expense and screwing aussie workers all at the same time and say they are here for us and the country..AMAZING :dash1: bunch of bloody :pirate: 's if you ask me :derisive:
:police_car: :scared: Sorry for going :off_topic: gotta :bye2:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='59038' dateline='1410642198'I got a bill from Customs and had to pay a Tax on the shipping and insurance of $48.85 WTF.
I've had 335 coins either graded or waiting to be graded this year and now the Customs ratbags want a cut of the pie as well :dash1:
It's not just the extra cost that annoys me it is the extended delay of getting my coins back.
have other pcgs submitters had to pay this tax?
this is winging its way back from u.s.
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30435071.html
its ok can do better ... if trout lets some go :angel:
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='59041' dateline='1410652223'Quote from: 'trout' pid='59038' dateline='1410642198'I got a bill from Customs and had to pay a Tax on the shipping and insurance of $48.85 WTF.
I've had 335 coins either graded or waiting to be graded this year and now the Customs ratbags want a cut of the pie as well :dash1:
It's not just the extra cost that annoys me it is the extended delay of getting my coins back.
have other pcgs submitters had to pay this tax?
Yep.
If the declared value of the coins + declared value of the service exceeds $1000, then customs may hold the package.
The declared value of the coins are exempt from GST, but we had to pay GST on the services (10%) plus a processing fee from customs.
Is the answer to send smaller consignments? Maybe the extra post cancels it out?
Fully O/T but Ausjack is partly right. Pollies perks are small beer compared to the billion dollars wasted on "illegals" every month (yes, month- not year). There are over 100 thousand on welfare, the cost of running detention centres is 150-200 million/month and they can eat lobster and other luxury food in detention (at our expense). Have a number of contacts who work in the centres and they have to deal with mother f#@##$rs who insist on prawns as the main component of their diet, to avoid riots it is Immigration policy to give in to those demands.
Meanwhile I have relatives back in Africa who have to wait in the queue for legal migration (even though there is a civil war with ISIS beheading people):pirate:
So they need your money Trout to pay for the lobster.
PRAWNS, that's it I'm becoming an illegal immigrant :)
Quote from: 'duggee27' pid='59045' dateline='1410663015'this is winging its way back from u.s.
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30435071.html
its ok can do better ... if trout lets some go :angel:
:drooling: very nice and well done duggee :good:
Quote from: 'Nightparrot' pid='59054' dateline='1410666333'Is the answer to send smaller consignments? Maybe the extra post cancels it out?
It really depends. The postage does become cheaper as the number of coins increases , but then the total grading fee is also higher.
I've seen packages come through that were over the $1000 mark the were held by customs, and then others that were higher value that weren't.
Best to factor the price into the submission if you know its going to be over $1000.
Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='59076' dateline='1410678659'Quote from: 'Nightparrot' pid='59054' dateline='1410666333'Is the answer to send smaller consignments? Maybe the extra post cancels it out?
It really depends. The postage does become cheaper as the number of coins increases , but then the total grading fee is also higher.
I've seen packages come through that were over the $1000 mark the were held by customs, and then others that were higher value that weren't.
Best to factor the price into the submission if you know its going to be over $1000.
Thanks
Quote from: 'trout' pid='59038' dateline='1410642198'I got a bill from Customs and had to pay a Tax on the shipping and insurance of $48.85 WTF.
I've had 335 coins either graded or waiting to be graded this year and now the Customs ratbags want a cut of the pie as well :dash1:
It's not just the extra cost that annoys me it is the extended delay of getting my coins back.
$48.85 is the processing fee. You pay it on anything that goes through customs - you can't avoid it, even if Australia Post loses your parcel after it's cleared customs they won't refund it.
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='59120' dateline='1410734023'Quote from: 'trout' pid='59038' dateline='1410642198'I got a bill from Customs and had to pay a Tax on the shipping and insurance of $48.85 WTF.
I've had 335 coins either graded or waiting to be graded this year and now the Customs ratbags want a cut of the pie as well :dash1:
It's not just the extra cost that annoys me it is the extended delay of getting my coins back.
$48.85 is the processing fee. You pay it on anything that goes through customs - you can't avoid it, even if Australia Post loses your parcel after it's cleared customs they won't refund it.
That would be like having to pay a fee if a copper pulls you over for a random breath test :dodgy:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='59132' dateline='1410744310'That would be like having to pay a fee if a copper pulls you over for a random breath test :dodgy:
Unfortunately they make the rules
Quote from: 'trout' pid='59132' dateline='1410744310'Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='59120' dateline='1410734023'Quote from: 'trout' pid='59038' dateline='1410642198'I got a bill from Customs and had to pay a Tax on the shipping and insurance of $48.85 WTF.
I've had 335 coins either graded or waiting to be graded this year and now the Customs ratbags want a cut of the pie as well :dash1:
It's not just the extra cost that annoys me it is the extended delay of getting my coins back.
$48.85 is the processing fee. You pay it on anything that goes through customs - you can't avoid it, even if Australia Post loses your parcel after it's cleared customs they won't refund it.
That would be like having to pay a fee if a copper pulls you over for a random breath test :dodgy:
Shush up Trout, you don't want to give the cops any ideas.
I paid the fee/fine on the 12th, Still NO coins at the post office :dash1:
I have just stripped and saflipped 5 Wedding sets ready to send off to the plastics factory along with a few other coins.
I had a real good long hard look at the Wedding set coins and couldn't find a single blemish on any of them, They all look immaculate .
Maybe just maybe I might crack a couple of MS70 grades with this bunch,
I have sent hundreds of coins away to be graded and haven't been able to achieve a MS70 grade yet.
Just got the results back fro a 25 coin submission, it only took 18 working days.
This is the fastest turn around I have ever had, Just hope the Customs don't stuff me around again.
My Dollar coins did OK, a couple of disappointments but over all I am happy with them.
2011 MOR Silver Proof PR68DC
2012 MOR Silver Proof PR69DC
2014 MOR Silver Proof PR69DC
2014 MOR Al-Br MS66,MS66 and MS65
2014 red Bull Ant MS68
2014 Grasshopper MS69
2014m A voyage to Terra Australis MS67
2011 Census Centenary Al-Br MS66
Nice results mate and hope you jag that 70 and hope I'm not far behind :)
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='59354' dateline='1410994234'Nice results mate and hope you jag that 70 and hope I'm not far behind :)
When I fill in the submission form there is a column where you can select MS/PR/SP I am wondering if I select SP for the Wedding set coins they will grade them as such?
IMHO the Wedding set coins ARE specimen quality and should be graded as such.
I recon it is worth a crack at it :ok:
Yeah go for it and good luck, they'll only send it back MS if they don't think it's right and as long at it's 70 it's :yahoo:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='59358' dateline='1410994894'Yeah go for it and good luck, they'll only send it back MS if they don't think it's right and as long at it's 70 it's :yahoo:
How hard can it be? The graders would have to put their Sunnies on to grade these coins :angel:
if you place a wedding set coin alongside a Mint set coin the difference is startlingly obvious :dash1:
SHHHH you'll give it all away, we have to have some secrets :angel:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='59361' dateline='1410995291'SHHHH you'll give it all away, we have to have some secrets :angel:
I'm Not good with Secrets , Someone called me "Babberfingers" once :angel:
Just got off the phone to Aus Post and Customs , Which took forever .
I actually ran out of battery on one phone whilst waiting for Aus Post :dash1:
I paid the ridicules $48.85 fee the Customs on the 12th and they finally got around to clearing my coins on the 15th So I wont see these until at least the 22nd-23rd.
I posted these to PCGS 21/7/14 and they arrived in Melbourne 28/8/14 that's nearly a Month that these cretins at Customs have delayed my submission :cray:
This is the 10th submission I have sent this year and ALL the other submissions had a declared value exceeding the $1000 threshold , By the Gods I hope that this is the one and only time I have to go through all this red tape BS Because if it happens again It will seriously affect my decision to send any more coins away to be graded.
I just filled out a couple of submission forms to send to PCGS, I typed them out on the PDF form instead of writing them out by hand :yahoo:
Yea I know , Took me long enough to switch on :angel:
I sent 5 wedding sets in and I used SP in the MS/PR/SP Colum, I know they will probably ignore this but if you don't try you can never succeed .
I also found a couple of 2014 MOR ali/bronze coins I set aside originally .
I sent the wrong coins in with the last submission , So hopefully I may get lucky and get better than a MS66 for these.
I also Kept the value down below $1000 to try and avert the attention of those Customs Buggers :)
Well they finally arrived :yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:
Here is the pick of the bunch, My first 70 graded coins :dance2:
Lousy pic but I am still sorting them out :angel:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/perfect.jpg)
very nice Jim I bet they are all keepers
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='59902' dateline='1411442631'very nice Jim I bet they are all keepers
NO doubt about that whatsoever :)
Interesting picture trout but why are all coins, except the centre coin, showing Reverse to the front of the slab?
Does PCGS have a rule about what is shown to the front of the slab or not?
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='59911' dateline='1411451275'Interesting picture trout but why are all coins, except the centre coin, showing Reverse to the front of the slab?
Does PCGS have a rule about what is shown to the front of the slab or not?
That is a really good question Goldie.
From my limited experience I have noticed that all the standard design coins have the date side (obverse) on the side of the slab that holds the grade etc. and the commemorative design coins have the reverse on the grade side.
OK, thanks. That should have been obvious and I didn't pick it up.
I sent a pagoda and a sovereign over to Eric to get graded for me, here are the results .
I'm quite pleased with these :):dance2:
30758387 794146 ND (1790) Pagoda Arcot AU58
30758388 113383 1894-S Sov S-3877 Australia MS62
30758387 794146 ND (1790) Pagoda Arcot AU58
nice work!
Quote from: 'serial' pid='60070' dateline='1411731443'30758387 794146 ND (1790) Pagoda Arcot AU58
nice work!
Matches my other coin perfectly :)
I was however rather surprised at what the Sov graded at.
I, Eric and feathers were thinking AU58 but The graders at PCGS must have seen it differently :ok:
Just opened up a roll of pennies and will be sending these over first
to see how they go.I hope they do OK
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/20141011_104146.jpg)(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/20141011_104253.jpg)
did you say that you were sending them to my place?
oh gosh ... gee... fanks .... :heart:
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='60792' dateline='1412995952'did you say that you were sending them to my place?
oh gosh ... gee... fanks .... :heart:
There was a nice chocolate one in there RG and I thought of you
straight away if you're interested
yep
i'm after the best that you can get in chocolate
you have a sale possum!! :yahoo:
mmmmmmmmm chocolate. mmmmmmm pennies.
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='60795' dateline='1412997849'yep
i'm after the best that you can get in chocolate
you have a sale possum!! :yahoo:
Hard to capture the colour but it's a deep rich dark brown and
should grade at least MS65BN
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/c2.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/20141011_132409.jpg)
wowsa
those frosty browns always photograph a silver colour don't they?
Better pictures
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/20141011_144816.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/20141011_144757.jpg)
These are the next lot of coins I am going to send into PCGS using my 4 FREE submissions
Have a crack at grading these and I will post the results when I get them back from PCGS.
1936 quarter Anna
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1936_quarter_anna1~0.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1936_quarter_anna~0.jpg)
1899m Sovereign
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1899m_sov1~0.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1899m_sov~0.jpg)
1840 Rupee
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1840_rupee1~0.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1840_rupee~0.jpg)
1821 Half Crown
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1821_half_crown1~1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1821_half_crown~1.jpg)
I will guess the sovereign will go MS63
My latest arrival should do well I hope
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/22c.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/22d.jpg)
That 1922 penny should go AU53 or 55.
22s are often poor strikes.
MS62 I reckon.
Quote from: 'dcoin' pid='61222' dateline='1413886527'That 1922 penny should go AU53 or 55.
I cannot see it going that low, the fields are mark free, possibly a hint of wear to the moustache (AU58?) but a decent crop of hair and the bands of the crown containing the 8 pearls don't show wear. The reverse looks like the die was worn out, I have pennies with similar pits under the letters of ENNY so that is some weird thing like ghosting. Also the letters of COM and the inner ring are not very well struck. MS62BN?
To my eyes it's as good or better than the last 1922 penny (below) that I sent to PCGS which achieved MS63BN but if it gets MS62 it will
still be a big win
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/20140531_132917.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/20140531_133245.jpg)
I get a bit perplexed grading these, the fields look good but you have that weird bumpiness to them that comes from the dies of that period. then you have rich/clear details on the head but the thing above the one looks worn out (I know weak strike) you also look at the crown and the lack of details on the vertical pearls and compare them to the details on his neck and shoulder and the only way to really get an idea of the grade is to have it in hand so you can look it over with an eyepiece and see the lustre.(even with your professional pictures)
it is coins like this that make companies like Pcgs necessary
Quote from: 'serial' pid='61236' dateline='1413890770'I get a bit perplexed grading these, the fields look good but you have that weird bumpiness to them that comes from the dies of that period. then you have rich/clear details on the head but the thing above the one looks worn out (I know weak strike) you also look at the crown and the lack of details on the vertical pearls and compare them to the details on his neck and shoulder and the only way to really get an idea of the grade is to have it in hand so you can look it over with an eyepiece and see the lustre.(even with your professional pictures)
it is coins like this that make companies like Pcgs necessary
Look at the date first in order to get an idea of the strike charactistics.
Then look at the actual coin.
22 pennies are often terrible strikes.
Quote from: 'serial' pid='61236' dateline='1413890770'I get a bit perplexed grading these, the fields look good but you have that weird bumpiness to them that comes from the dies of that period. then you have rich/clear details on the head but the thing above the one looks worn out (I know weak strike) you also look at the crown and the lack of details on the vertical pearls and compare them to the details on his neck and shoulder and the only way to really get an idea of the grade is to have it in hand so you can look it over with an eyepiece and see the lustre.(even with your professional pictures)
it is coins like this that make companies like Pcgs necessary
Something I look for with these coins is the little lumps and dots on the top of the raised detail and if those are visible it is a good indication that It might be UNC as those little dots and spots usually disappear quickly in circulation
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='61228' dateline='1413887749'Quote from: 'dcoin' pid='61222' dateline='1413886527'That 1922 penny should go AU53 or 55.
I cannot see it going that low, the fields are mark free, possibly a hint of wear to the moustache (AU58?) but a decent crop of hair and the bands of the crown containing the 8 pearls don't show wear. The reverse looks like the die was worn out, I have pennies with similar pits under the letters of ENNY so that is some weird thing like ghosting. Also the letters of COM and the inner ring are not very well struck. MS62BN?
A lot of my grading comes down to the quality of strike. PCGS are not as harsh on strike fullness though.
Hi dcoin, strike fullness doesn't have any bearing on if a coin grades MS or AU. It will stop it getting the higher grades of MS, Stevo might be right about MS63 if the other '22 also made 63 (although to my eyes the coin that did make 63 is a nicer coin).
Stevo, you said it would be a big win at MS62, would it be impolite to ask what you got it for?
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='61245' dateline='1413895534'Hi dcoin, strike fullness doesn't have any bearing on if a coin grades MS or AU. It will stop it getting the higher grades of MS, Stevo might be right about MS63 if the other '22 also made 63 (although to my eyes the coin that did make 63 is a nicer coin).
Stevo, you said it would be a big win at MS62, would it be impolite to ask what you got it for?
Cost me $25 and because the seller was American he wasn't familiar with weakly struck Australian high grade coins.Good for us but only if
you can grade them fairly accurately yourself and pick off the bargains and undergraded coins
Hi All,
What do you folks think a coin like this would grade ?
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Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='61601' dateline='1414665065'Hi All,
What do you folks think a coin like this would grade ?
That coin from the universal coin co auction would grade 64rb
Thanks dcoin ! I was thinking what that would grade at as it was called "Super Gem" ...
They had a 1940 which graded 65 sell for $7500, if they thought it would grade the same they would surely have sent it to pcgs as well.
The carbon streaking will stop a 65 grade, this is an example with near perfect surfaces and it still didn't make 65 (most likely due to carbon spots).
http://www.numisbid.com.au/Browse/1951-Y_Half_Penny_PCGS_MS64RB/9820
my coin dealer refuses to put the GEM designation on a coin with carbon streaks
that being said , it still looks to be a beautiful coin to me
I agree, Thats a good way of looking at it.
Recent purchase now on it's way to PCGS but not easy to grade given it's a threepence which are quite often subject to being weakly struck.
Any opinions on grade?
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/12a.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/12b.JPG)
Have also sent this one across to be slabbed but the question is will it
make MS63 or MS64?
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/1928_3pa.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/1928__3pb.JPG)
initially I would have said gVf but then I looked at the pcgs pop and saw an au55 I would now say xf45-au50. I was never any good with threepences
EDIT: I have re-read what I posted yesterday and decided I was a bit rude. Sorry Steve. The first threepence has a funny looking reverse, and it's a funny enough look that I'd steer clear of it. The way there's toning around the THRE but then it fades to nothing just triggers alarm bells for me. And I am sure I can see some PVC on it. Look to the right of the date, below the emu's bum, and to the left of the roo. I see greenish spots. But of course that could be an artifact of the lighting Either way give it a swim in acetone when you get it.
The second coin is nice, it has the crusty toning that I like. I can see it in a 64 slab but PCGS don't typically like that sort of toning so I wouldn't be too surprised to see it one point less. I have a few very similar coins with very similar toning and I think only one ended up in a 64 slab. The others are far too nice to be 63's.
I just got my latest grading result and am happy
28493284 145765 1934-35 Florin Centennial Australia PR62
Quote from: 'serial' pid='61985' dateline='1415315753'I just got my latest grading result and am happy
28493284 145765 1934-35 Florin Centennial Australia PR62
AWSOME result, Very well done :yahoo:
Quote from: 'serial' pid='61985' dateline='1415315753'I just got my latest grading result and am happy
28493284 145765 1934-35 Florin Centennial Australia PR62
wow.
I was like that too Markn !
I have to say, I couldn't have got it slabbed if it wasn't for Neal putting me onto an expert in this field and Mathew (the expert) giving me the confidence to say it is a proof strike and the information needed to get PCGS to recognise it as one.
A big thanks to all who helped me get this designated as a proof, I cant wait to get it back and show the kids :)
Quote from: 'serial' pid='61992' dateline='1415321861'I was like that too Markn !
I have to say, I couldn't have got it slabbed if it wasn't for Neal putting me onto an expert in this field and Mathew (the expert) giving me the confidence to say it is a proof strike and the information needed to get PCGS to recognise it as one.
A big thanks to all who helped me get this designated as a proof, I cant wait to get it back and show the kids :)
Congratulations, and well done on the perseverance.
Quote from: 'serial' pid='61992' dateline='1415321861'I was like that too Markn !
I have to say, I couldn't have got it slabbed if it wasn't for Neal putting me onto an expert in this field and Mathew (the expert) giving me the confidence to say it is a proof strike and the information needed to get PCGS to recognise it as one.
A big thanks to all who helped me get this designated as a proof, I cant wait to get it back and show the kids :)
Congratulations Adam .You've done really well for yourself there
thanks but it was all luck stevo, I can only hope to be as good as you one day picking the gems out of the trash. I cant wait to see your next grading run
Quote from: 'serial' pid='61985' dateline='1415315753'I just got my latest grading result and am happy
28493284 145765 1934-35 Florin Centennial Australia PR62
We want pics.
Quote from: 'serial' pid='61996' dateline='1415325914'thanks but it was all luck stevo, I can only hope to be as good as you one day picking the gems out of the trash. I cant wait to see your next grading run
Thanks Adam, I'm particularly looking forward to the results of a batch of 1964M pennies that will be going over next week as I finally opened a roll I was sitting on and they will mostly go RD and some of them are very nice.I also sent over a purple and a chocolate from the roll to see how they would go. An MS66RD would be nice but more likely MS65RD
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/64.jpg)
that top right one is a stand out!
must be hard photographing them with the reflectiveness. make sure you let us know how you got
as soon as I get the pics from pcgs I will put them up. I paid extra for the photo pack thing. I figured it would be worth it on this coin
Yes it was impossible to get a good photo of all 6 coins together as I only use 1 light but there
were a few in the roll like the top right coin so it will be very interesting
They all look very nice, the bottom right is one I know PPH would like :)
and we have picture
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/pcgs_pic~0.jpg)
Quote from: 'serial' pid='62008' dateline='1415330620'and we have picture
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/pcgs_pic~0.jpg)
Are you going to share the proof markers on the forum somewhere so we can all learn something from your experience?
(awesome coin)
absolutely!
1stly you notice the polished field in front of king George's fore head
The wreath is fully struck up but has a flat appearance unlike the specimen that has a sharp cut appearance when struck up
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/n_line.jpg)
you cant see it on my pic but there is a raised line where I have drawn a line
same below
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/PA150274.JPG)
you can see it actually continues from the other side of the tail'
The beading on the rim has 2 incuse lines above the N in CenteNary
around the riders feet are die polish marks
here is a higher res pic
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/TrueView_28493284_ExtraLarge.jpg)
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='62002' dateline='1415328289'Quote from: 'serial' pid='61996' dateline='1415325914'thanks but it was all luck stevo, I can only hope to be as good as you one day picking the gems out of the trash. I cant wait to see your next grading run
Thanks Adam, I'm particularly looking forward to the results of a batch of 1964M pennies that will be going over next week as I finally opened a roll I was sitting on and they will mostly go RD and some of them are very nice.I also sent over a purple and a chocolate from the roll to see how they would go. An MS66RD would be nice but more likely MS65RD
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/64.jpg)
Oh my what beauties!
Hey serial. Did u purchase that florin as a proof? Ie did the seller know it was one? Lovely grade too. Sometimes a seller may think a coin is a proof but not have provenance to fill in the gaps. I have a 1937 crown which was in a sold lot that had a proof crown and then the coins were mixed up . So it is one crown that I have retained ... just in case!
A few nice results that have just come through
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30716680/
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30716681/
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30716682/
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30716683/
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30716671/
Nice results there Steve.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='62267' dateline='1415832007'Nice results there Steve.
Thanks Mark they were from a mint roll and I didnt think they would do that well.Maybe I should have kept the rest of them
Droooooool Stevo!!!
Well done! (Esp the 67).
nice one steve!
love the 67!!!!
top of the pops is always good :)
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='62268' dateline='1415832213'Quote from: 'markn' pid='62267' dateline='1415832007'Nice results there Steve.
Thanks Mark they were from a mint roll and I didnt think they would do that well.Maybe I should have kept the rest of them
Well done regardless :)
New arrival what a beauty
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/1921__.jpg)
nice!!!!!!
Does anybody think these have a chance at MS66 ?
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/64a~0.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/64b~0.jpg)
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='62605' dateline='1416394534'Does anybody think these have a chance at MS66 ?
Very hard to get 66 for Aussie pre decimal.
65 seems to be a sort of ceiling.
My guess is 65BN and 64RD.
the one on the left looks good and lustrous but brown for sure
I am going t go with 64bn because of the light rub on the roos hip
the one on the right is that carbon on her face?
if it is I will go 65RD
Quote from: 'serial' pid='62616' dateline='1416440619'the one on the left looks good and lustrous but brown for sure
I am going t go with 64bn because of the light rub on the roos hip
the one on the right is that carbon on her face?
if it is I will go 65RD
Yes it's just carbon but if it goes 65RD it'll still be worth slabbing although I
hope the fully red ones I sent over without carbon marks do a bit better.It
would be nice to get a group of 66RD
will the carbon knock it down to rb?
Quote from: 'serial' pid='62619' dateline='1416444033'will the carbon knock it down to rb?
It will probably go RB I suspect
I have just had a submission "received" at PCGS and it is listed under the service heading as "Modern Issues" ?
I haven't seen that one before.
The one on the left looks stunning and from what I can see in the pictures has some die polish on it (to the bottom-right of the kangaroo?) It should go at least 64+ if not 65 (I really rate it to be honest.) The one on the right should go RB and on the grade I'd put it at least a 64. 66 is a very hard grade to acquire particularly on the Australian copper coins.
Overall nice pick ups stevo just leave a few for the rest of us eh? :D
Steve send the brown to me eerr pcgs and leave the Melbourne red at home. I'd reckon she'd be lucky to make ms 62. The brown is a knockout !!
Haha looks like I am not the only one. My grade was based off the best case of the photos and I was reluctant to provide it on the Melbourne one due to the reflectivity in the photos.
My fastest ever submission results 14 days flat or 10 working days.
NO surprises here but by crikey they were quick with this one :yahoo:
https://www.pcgs.com/Membership/order.html?OrderNo=20870987&Year=2014
So they graded them quickly, big whoop (in a friendly way).
Now you have the fun part of getting them back THROUGH CUSTOMS:zomby:
BTW I clicked on the link and nothing came up. Were they moderns to get graded so quickly?
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='62953' dateline='1416970048'So they graded them quickly, big whoop (in a friendly way).
Now you have the fun part of getting them back THROUGH CUSTOMS:zomby:
BTW I clicked on the link and nothing came up. Were they moderns to get graded so quickly?
No Problem with Customs here Less than the Magic $1000.
They weren't Moderns They were
1x Sovereign
1x Half Crown
2x 1/4 Annas
These were my "FreeBee" 4 submissions for the year :)
The link won't come up until they list the submission on "Shared Listings" :ok:
Trout, if you are getting 4 freebies I take that to be the $149 Gold membership. Wouldn't it be cheaper to pay an extra $70 for the Platinum and get another 4 freebies? It works out at $17.50 each freebie which is cheaper than regular submissions, plus you can use it on the higher value coins (like sovs).
Also why not use the freebie submissions on higher value coins than the 1/4 Annas (are they that good that they are worth over $300 each?)
QuoteAlso why not use the freebie submissions on higher value coins than the 1/4 Annas (are they that good that they are worth over $300 each?)
Yes I know NOT a great choice , I should have sent some of my Proc coins in instead (There is always next year :))
The 1821 Half Crown is the one that Sel gave me earlier this year when he came for a visit , it came out of it OK at XF40 which to me equates to Good VF to low EF the other coins were just along for the ride :)
Quote from: 'trout' pid='62957' dateline='1416974236'QuoteAlso why not use the freebie submissions on higher value coins than the 1/4 Annas (are they that good that they are worth over $300 each?)
Yes I know NOT a great choice , I should have sent some of my Proc coins in instead (There is always next year :))
The 1821 Half Crown is the one that Sel gave me earlier this year when he came for a visit , it came out of it OK at XF40 which to me equates to Good VF to low EF the other coins were just along for the ride :)
Wasnt there some sort of competition going on here ?
I just received a Details Grade on a 2015 Year of the Goat 50c coin :dash1:
I has a scratch on it apparently, There is NO way known that I put it there. :cray:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='62984' dateline='1417024640'I just received a Details Grade on a 2015 Year of the Goat 50c coin :dash1:
I has a scratch on it apparently, There is NO way known that I put it there. :cray:
Did you miss seeing the scratch when you purchased the coin (RAM quality control issues).
Did you unknowingly scratch it when transferring it to the Saflip (clumsy Trout).
Did an employee of PCGS get clumsy and then claims it was sent that way (a clumsy employee or a clumsy and dishonest employee).
If they did it I wouldn't be using the crying emoticon but the angry red devil one and worrying what other mistakes they made and covered up (like fingerprints from fumbling fingers that will show up down the track)..
Hey Guys,
I got 3 more of my NGC coins regraded by PCGS today. To say the least I am very disappointed to see the grading differences between the two TPG companies. (except 1)
1920 M 3D (was AU58) Now AU55
1934 Florin (was MS62) Now AU58:dodgy:
1959 Proof 3D (was PR66) Now PR65
1938 Shilling (Was MS65) Now MS65 :yahoo:
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='63005' dateline='1417072226'Hey Guys,
I got 3 more of my NGC coins regraded by PCGS today. To say the least I am very disappointed to see the grading differences between the two TPG companies. (except 1)
1920 M 3D (was AU58) Now AU55
1934 Florin (was MS62) Now AU58:dodgy:
1959 Proof 3D (was PR66) Now PR65
1938 Shilling (Was MS65) Now MS65 :yahoo:
Do you have the PCGS links to the above ?
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='63010' dateline='1417080572'Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='63005' dateline='1417072226'Hey Guys,
I got 3 more of my NGC coins regraded by PCGS today. To say the least I am very disappointed to see the grading differences between the two TPG companies. (except 1)
1920 M 3D (was AU58) Now AU55
1934 Florin (was MS62) Now AU58:dodgy:
1959 Proof 3D (was PR66) Now PR65
1938 Shilling (Was MS65) Now MS65 :yahoo:
Do you have the PCGS links to the above ?
here you go..
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30967513.html
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30967514.html
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30967515.html
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30967516.html
Nice Coins and the 1938 Shilling looks like it has the beginnings of radial die cracks on the reverse.
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='63011' dateline='1417081281'Quote from: 'echidna' pid='63010' dateline='1417080572'Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='63005' dateline='1417072226'Hey Guys,
I got 3 more of my NGC coins regraded by PCGS today. To say the least I am very disappointed to see the grading differences between the two TPG companies. (except 1)
1920 M 3D (was AU58) Now AU55
1934 Florin (was MS62) Now AU58:dodgy:
1959 Proof 3D (was PR66) Now PR65
1938 Shilling (Was MS65) Now MS65 :yahoo:
Do you have the PCGS links to the above ?
here you go..
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30967513.html
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30967514.html
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30967515.html
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30967516.html
I'd be happy with those PCGS grades if it were me.
NGC generally overgrades.
And they sell for much less on ebay and Numisbid.
Thanks guys, I have paid bit too much for the Florin and the 1920 3D... thats why I was bit upset... I am happy with the Shill... its a nice coin...
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/27455086.html
This one was resubmitted and came back 64+BN.
Previously graded 64BN.
Still unhappy as it looks RB to me.
What do you think ?
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='63032' dateline='1417092139'http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/27455086.html
This one was resubmitted and came back 64+BN.
Previously graded 64BN.
Still unhappy as it looks RB to me.
What do you think ?
That coin is a RB ! What makes it BN ? :idea:
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='63033' dateline='1417092719'Quote from: 'echidna' pid='63032' dateline='1417092139'http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/27455086.html
This one was resubmitted and came back 64+BN.
Previously graded 64BN.
Still unhappy as it looks RB to me.
What do you think ?
That coin is a RB ! What makes it BN ? :idea:
Probably yank graders used to their deep red copper "pennies" and not to our bronze "large cents"
wow! if that is bn it is right on the edge!
Going to give these a try at PCGS to see how they go
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/66a.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/66b.jpg)
very nice steve ,i hope you do well with them rounds . ,, kel ,,
Quote from: 'keldaw' pid='63054' dateline='1417144802'very nice steve ,i hope you do well with them rounds . ,, kel ,,
Thank you Kel
(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc462/joseywales10/1927florin_k2_zps579f28c5.jpg)
(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc462/joseywales10/1927florin_k3_zps6e304ea5.jpg)
Currently at PCGS.
My guess MS63.
What do you reckon ?
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='63129' dateline='1417346586'Currently at PCGS.
My guess MS63.
What do you reckon ?
Agree....
I think 64 would be a possibility
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='63131' dateline='1417349411'I think 64 would be a possibility
Wouldn't the edge scrape above H or the scratch behind the kings eye rule out 64?
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='63132' dateline='1417353398'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='63131' dateline='1417349411'I think 64 would be a possibility
Wouldn't the edge scrape above H or the scratch behind the kings eye rule out 64?
Yeah thats what I thought too.
I graded it MS 63 with that in mind.
However I believe that they dont worry that much about small edge nicks.
It has a beautiful tone and I suspect they will like it.
The grade should come through very soon...
It should do well they seem to like the toned 27's
Opinions required for this coin.Is it worth slabbing?It's a London Obverse with a dot below bottom scroll and should achieve XF40
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/20b.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/20a.JPG)
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='63202' dateline='1417475693'Opinions required for this coin.Is it worth slabbing?It's a London Obverse with a dot below bottom scroll and should achieve XF40
My guess is VF30 or 35 for that one.
Its a nice example of a scarce coin but not worth slabbing I think.
well I got my latest grades back. this was a bit of a focus on my aus pre dec and I think I got a mixed bag
I really missed the mark on a couple of coins however :(
1937 Crown Australia MS62
1937 Crown Australia MS63
1938 Crown Australia AU50
1954(m) Florin Royal Visit Australia MS63
1951(m) Florin Jubilee Australia MS62
1951(m) Florin Jubilee Australia MS63
1940(m) Florin Australia AU55
1952(m) Shil Australia AU58
1964(m) 3D Australia MS65
1942(m) 3D Australia AU53
1918-M 3D Australia AU58
1936(m) Florin Australia AU55
1931(m) Florin Australia AU55
1953(m) 3D Australia MS62
1899 10C Large 9 Canada AU50
1858(w) 1/4 An Single Wreath Tips India MS64RB
1907(c) 1/4 Rup India AU55
(1898) 10C Y-42.4 K-62 LM-208 Six Characters China-Anhwei XF40
1916-T 20 Hel Brass B/B G.E.A. VF20
nd(1906) 10 Csh Y-67.2 Chihli AU55BN
AH1299 Pysa Zanzibar XF45BN
1913-A 3 Mk 25th Year Prussia Genuine - AU Details (92 - Cleaned)
1892 Rupee Bikanir XF45
(1911-33) Rupee Y-3.2 LM-359 Tibet VF35
1845 1/2C St. Sett XF40BN
Well done Serial were there any surprises in there for you?
yeh I am surprised that there wasn't more ms grades!
so many au's its not funny :(
however the 1918 3d came from an anacs slab that I broke out and submitted. it was graded au 58 by anacs! good to see a little consistency
A very nice result on the 1858(w) 1/4 An Single Wreath Tips India MS64RB .
These are very tough to get in this grade, Well done :good:
Just got this coin today.... What are your thought ? Is it worth slabbing ? If so what do you think it would get ? Thanks Folks..
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I think that any proof is worth slabbing
other here can comment on what appears to be pvc damage?? maybe?? re: slabbing suitability
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='63620' dateline='1418377175'I think that any proof is worth slabbing
other here can comment on what appears to be pvc damage?? maybe?? re: slabbing suitability
Thanks Robbie:wavemulticolor:... It is ex Roxbury's coin... It looks bit better in the hand, but not sure to slab or not.. Lets see what others say...
63/64 red and rown is my opinion
Quote from: 'dcoin' pid='63622' dateline='1418378246'63/64 red and rown is my opinion
Thank you dcoin, if it comes back 64RB, I will be happy...
Definitely worth slabbing.What have you got to lose,you can always crack it out if you're not happy with the result
Thanks Stevo, Issue I have is if I dont get a good grade, I would never crack it open and sell it. I have a few coins I know I can get a good price If i take them out of the slab (ie slabbed as AU but looks UNC)...but I can't do it ... This is going to Eric on Monday if feedback from you lot is looking good...:biggrin:
well it looks lovely to me
I have a friend who has a dansco album with pretty well all the QEII being proofs
they have an enormous range of tone 'patina' - the colours that these proofs can be found in is extraordinary
so what might look like PVC to me might really just be age toning
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='63625' dateline='1418378757'Thanks Stevo, Issue I have is if I dont get a good grade, I would never crack it open and sell it. I have a few coins I know I can get a good price If i take them out of the slab (ie slabbed as AU but looks UNC)...but I can't do it ... This is going to Eric on Monday if feedback from you lot is looking good...:biggrin:
I always have a few speculators in a batch of coins which have produced some surprising results.Not always good but definitely worth a shot.
Thanks guys, I will keep you posted with the result...
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='63626' dateline='1418380206'well it looks lovely to me
I have a friend who has a dansco album with pretty well all the QEII being proofs
they have an enormous range of tone 'patina' - the colours that these proofs can be found in is extraordinary
so what might look like PVC to me might really just be age toning
I hope that's a Dansco supreme album.
yeah 'tis Walter
I keep threatening to pinch the album - it is divine
Has anyone noticed the exchange rates in USD and AUD?
Getting pretty pricy lately to submit coins , It is about an extra 20% in AUD :dash1:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='63785' dateline='1418771776'Has anyone noticed the exchange rates in USD and AUD?
Getting pretty pricy lately to submit coins , It is about an extra 20% in AUD :dash1:
It will get worse, Platinum Membership fee is going up by 50 USD on new years day. Almost as if PCGS wants to drive collectors over to APCGS.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='63785' dateline='1418771776'Has anyone noticed the exchange rates in USD and AUD?
Getting pretty pricy lately to submit coins , It is about an extra 20% in AUD :dash1:
Don't remind me. I have a number of bids placed at an auction in the US and every day it gets dearer. It is exceptionally expensive now to purchase coins from the US especially at auctions with nearly 20% on buyers premiums, approximately 20% on exchange rates and 10% GST on top of all that. Just wish they would peg the currency at 1:1 would make it so much easier for everyone now wouldn't it? ;)
it has got me stumped why the US dollar is valued so high considering they have a National debt that they have absolutely NO chance of repaying :dodgy:
But it is rather good for our exports :yahoo:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='63797' dateline='1418810854'it has got me stumped why the US dollar is valued so high considering they have a National debt that they have absolutely NO chance of repaying :dodgy:
But it is rather good for our exports :yahoo:
Try to let go of the idea that a high currency valuation means a strong economy and think simply in terms of supply and demand of the currency - then it'll be pretty obvious why the USD is so strong.
how much will it cost me to post 2 of these over to the USA please ?? one army and one navy
??
(http://i60.tinypic.com/2vdh3kx.jpg) ,, kel ,,
I got $ 10 .00 for the army one and $ 30 .00 for the navy one .
plus postage ..
,, kel ,,
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='63814' dateline='1418853633'Quote from: 'trout' pid='63797' dateline='1418810854'it has got me stumped why the US dollar is valued so high considering they have a National debt that they have absolutely NO chance of repaying :dodgy:
But it is rather good for our exports :yahoo:
Try to let go of the idea that a high currency valuation means a strong economy and think simply in terms of supply and demand of the currency - then it'll be pretty obvious why the USD is so strong.
Answering this in "The Missbehavers"
http://www.australian-coins.net/showthread.php?tid=1808&pid=63817#pid63817
I just spent all morning in town trying to post these to
ROCHESTER , IN THE USA , the post office in Caboolture and the post office in Morayfield would not except the parcel , and they told me that we cannot send coins over to the usa , I said , rubbish , I want to talk to the boss , he came out and told me the same thing , I told him a lot of people send over to usa to be graded by PCGS and his reply was I don't know how they do it because it is not allowed .
how can I do it , he paid $ 40.00 for the 2 coins and $ 28.50 for postage so I added a couple of unc 1991 rams head also and now the post office wont except the package .. what can I do .. ,, kel ,,
Quote from: 'keldaw' pid='63823' dateline='1418876084'I just spent all morning in town trying to post these to
ROCHESTER , IN THE USA , the post office in Caboolture and the post office in Morayfield would not except the parcel , and they told me that we cannot send coins over to the usa , I said , rubbish , I want to talk to the boss , he came out and told me the same thing , I told him a lot of people send over to usa to be graded by PCGS and his reply was I don't know how they do it because it is not allowed .
how can I do it , he paid $ 40.00 for the 2 coins and $ 28.50 for postage so I added a couple of unc 1991 rams head also and now the post office wont except the package .. what can I do .. ,, kel ,,
Call them collectable tokens and they can accept them then
the term "Numismatic items" does the trick every time , The buggers have absolutely NO idea of what that is :good:
Have them packaged and the green, customs CN22 form already filled out when you go to the post office -description of contents as stevo mentioned.
Also, if they fit within the size and weight of a letter definition, they can be sent normal airmail as a letter and save some postage cost. A letter containing "merchandise" must have the customs form adhered.
I am not aware of any restrictions on posting coins from Australia but some countries have restrictions on sending currency (even if only a few collectibles) through the post.
International Post Guide (http://auspost.com.au/apps/international-post-guide.html)
I had a set of commemorative $1 coins returned from Russian Federation because customs picked them up and tried to extort "duty" of many times the value from the intended recipient. He refused and they sent them back to me. I refunded the buyers money and we were then out of pocket by the postage cost!
I don't know who paid the return postage (neither me or the buyer) and don't care.
the coins were in a padded bag , weight was 78 grams and thickness was under 20 mm
That sounds like a letter to me.
Check here Kel...Postage calculator (http://auspost.com.au/apps/postage-calculator.html)
And of course they are not coins (your mistake by being truthful). They are "Commemorative Medallions".
One of my last submissions was my set of 2001 Federation Proof 50 and 20 cent coins along with a couple of other proof coins.
As these were marketed in individual capsules instead of the giant "Slab" that has stayed from 1969 until now ( It changed this year) I am hoping for some nice grades on these :angel:
I should find out in the next few days :yahoo:
Does anyone know when PCGS is shutting up shop for the Festive season and when they are back on deck again?
A couple of reasonable results through today
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30987749.html
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30987750.html
Very nice Steve, done well mate :good:
nice job on the 27 3d!!!!
Quote from: 'serial' pid='64159' dateline='1419322986'nice job on the 27 3d!!!!
Not mine unfortunately and nothing too flash on this run but should be some better results on the next hopefully
did anyone get a ms 64 mule graded recently?
Quote from: 'serial' pid='64263' dateline='1419413078'did anyone get a ms 64 mule graded recently?
Not me but I'd like to see it.
well I have my recent find in at pcgs and a ms64 just popped up on the population report and I am hoping its mine
Quote from: 'serial' pid='64265' dateline='1419414597'well I have my recent find in at pcgs and a ms64 just popped up on the population report and I am hoping its mine
was it that good?
I think it was after looking at ms62,63,64 pics.
plus how often does a ms64 mule pop up? it just happens to appear on population report when mine is in there
fingers crossed
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/PB280274.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/PB280272.JPG)
jeepers - did you get that from a roll?
I have never seen one so nice!
It certainly looks the goods
no I noodled about a month ago from circulation
lucky noodle
must of been in nanna's milk tin as it is in far too excellent condition to have been floating around for a decade or so
Yeh that's what I figured
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/31383521.html
Previously in an NGC MS64 holder.
Previous experience with NGC has been very negative.
And generally I'd rate their grading at least one point lower than PCGS.
Happily this one makes up for all the NGC rubbish I have bought in the past.
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='64876' dateline='1420370280'http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/31383521.html
Previously in an NGC MS64 holder.
Previous experience with NGC has been very negative.
And generally I'd rate their grading at least one point lower than PCGS.
Happily this one makes up for all the NGC rubbish I have bought in the past.
That was a very brave move Dave .I have plenty of NGC slabbed coins but don't think I could muster up the courage to risk crossing ant of them over
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='64876' dateline='1420370280'http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/31383521.html
Previously in an NGC MS64 holder.
Previous experience with NGC has been very negative.
And generally I'd rate their grading at least one point lower than PCGS.
Happily this one makes up for all the NGC rubbish I have bought in the past.
Wondering if u submitted it in the holder or did you take it out?
Quote from: 'Nightparrot' pid='64883' dateline='1420375648'Quote from: 'echidna' pid='64876' dateline='1420370280'http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/31383521.html
Previously in an NGC MS64 holder.
Previous experience with NGC has been very negative.
And generally I'd rate their grading at least one point lower than PCGS.
Happily this one makes up for all the NGC rubbish I have bought in the past.
Wondering if u submitted it in the holder or did you take it out?
nice one and I am wondering the same
Quote from: 'serial' pid='64885' dateline='1420375820'Quote from: 'Nightparrot' pid='64883' dateline='1420375648'Quote from: 'echidna' pid='64876' dateline='1420370280'http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/31383521.html
Previously in an NGC MS64 holder.
Previous experience with NGC has been very negative.
And generally I'd rate their grading at least one point lower than PCGS.
Happily this one makes up for all the NGC rubbish I have bought in the past.
Wondering if u submitted it in the holder or did you take it out?
nice one and I am wondering the same
It was removed from the holder.
Must be a reason why NGC graded it 64.
I suspect they dont like toning.
I have had results back for this coin.Does anyone want to have a guess
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/1a.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/1b.jpg)
ms63?
Quote from: 'serial' pid='64921' dateline='1420499501'ms63?
Bought this one off ebay for $90 described as VF-EF but no it's not MS63
unfortunately
AU58?
I agree AU58
Not bad for VF - EF. IMO the emu doesn't appear have any wear, rims are OK,and the reverse has lustre. Bad luck about the bagging on the obverse, but the hair looks OK. My guess, MS60.
au58 i reckon
AU55, that ding on the kings nose will have held it back.
AU53 - Dealer Buying Obverse & Reverse Impact Damage.
AU58 - Dealer Selling Obverse & Reverse Light Bagging.
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30987749/
Well that was a good result considering the outlay
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/TrueView_28946107_ExtraLarge.jpg)
PR63. Did the seller know it was proof? (or proof-like, long running debate over what constitutes a proof for these florins)
Edit to add, I'm surprised that the population report hasn't included your coin (but the image for your coin is on the population report page).
they should have they were a coin dealer. plus like you said a lot of dealers are in denial as to the existence of proof like or proof strikes so they don't recognise them and sell them as such but this coin in hand is clearly different to other strikes.
I paid the most I ever have for a raw coin when I bought this and I must have looked at 1000 odd coins in the last 3 months to find this one, it is hard to believe there are some many 34/35 florins available on the market today! whats more it is harder to find a problem free xf or lower coin than an aUnc coin. au55ish seems to be where most of them have ended up
to see the difference I would suggest bringing up the picture on the pop report of the ms66 and this coin and putting them side by side on your screen then you will start to see the depth of strike and detail difference.
Got some results back from PCGS today
1966 proof 1c PR68DC
1966 proof 5c PR69DC
1966 proof 10c PR68DC
1966 proof 20c PR69DC
2001 Federation 50c NSW and SA at PR70DC
2001 Federation 20c NT NI and QLD at PR70DC
Quite happy with these :)
They are some very high numbers indeed.
Well done Jim .That's a nice start to a high level proof set.Have you put any
thought into starting a PCGS registry set?
Quote from: 'trout' pid='63837' dateline='1418891408'One of my last submissions was my set of 2001 Federation Proof 50 and 20 cent coins along with a couple of other proof coins.
As these were marketed in individual capsules instead of the giant "Slab" that has stayed from 1969 until now ( It changed this year) I am hoping for some nice grades on these :angel:
I should find out in the next few days :yahoo:
These came out OK
Submission number 5089473 on the shared submissions page
Anyone care to guess the grade on this?
(http://img.numismatics.com.au/30564/0/16777215/800x800.jpg)
(http://img.numismatics.com.au/30564/1/16777215/800x800.jpg)
I'll say it's MS66BN but more likely 65BN
63 or 64bn.
I would say MS65BN
Trick question? Unc details (cleaned)?
64BN for me. These better coins can be very hard to pick.
Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='65552' dateline='1421650907'Trick question? Unc details (cleaned)?
Yeah it was a trick question, there's something right of the bust (lacquer/glue?) that's had an attempted removal with wiping. Otherwise this coin's got it all, great surfaces, smooth lustre, attractive colour, problem-free strike, quality planchet - I estimated it at MS65RB otherwise.
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='65570' dateline='1421702849'Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='65552' dateline='1421650907'Trick question? Unc details (cleaned)?
Yeah it was a trick question, there's something right of the bust (lacquer/glue?) that's had an attempted removal with wiping. Otherwise this coin's got it all, great surfaces, smooth lustre, attractive colour, problem-free strike, quality planchet - I estimated it at MS65RB otherwise.
Do you think they'd still give it a grade as it doesn't look too bad
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='65571' dateline='1421704639'Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='65570' dateline='1421702849'Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='65552' dateline='1421650907'Trick question? Unc details (cleaned)?
Yeah it was a trick question, there's something right of the bust (lacquer/glue?) that's had an attempted removal with wiping. Otherwise this coin's got it all, great surfaces, smooth lustre, attractive colour, problem-free strike, quality planchet - I estimated it at MS65RB otherwise.
Do you think they'd still give it a grade as it doesn't look too bad
They won't grade it, if the damage from cleaning is beyond what would reasonably be expected from normal handling/circulation for the grade then it will no grade. Any sort of odd cleaning (removal of particular residue) can't reasonably expected to occur naturally at an MS level.
Latest results and pretty happy with most of them.The
64 pennies were out of the same roll
1964m penny MS65RB
1964m penny MS64RD
1964m penny MS64BN
1964m penny MS65RD
1964m penny MS65RD
1964m penny MS64RD
1964m penny MS64RD
1964m penny MS64RD
1964m penny MS64RD
1964m penny MS65RD
1964m penny MS64RD
1922 penny MS63BN
1936 halfpenny MS64RB
1922 sixpence AU55
1934/3 threepence VF35
1928 threepence MS64
1932 florin VF35
Damn could quite get that 66 Rd could u! Nice effort still
Quote from: 'serial' pid='65657' dateline='1421804186'Damn could quite get that 66 Rd could u! Nice effort still
Yeah I was hopeful but not confident as they all had a few
marks on them
Did you get images with these Steve?
Just asking as I have a roll of these as well and would like to see how mine would match up to yours :ok:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='65661' dateline='1421807979'Did you get images with these Steve?
Just asking as I have a roll of these as well and would like to see how mine would match up to yours :ok:
The cert numbers haven't been downloaded on the PCGS site yet but although not the best photos but the top 2 outer coins would have graded MS65RD and the bottom right would be the MS65BN
I'd say the top middle coin would be one of the coins that graded MS65RB
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/64.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/1964b~0.jpg)
Here are a few of mine.
I took the images "full frontal" that really don't show the lustre but do show every little defect on the coins.
All these coins have great lustre but I recon MS64RB would be the best to expect ( I am Crap with grading coppers) :dash1:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/64f.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/64g.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/64d.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/64e.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/64c.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/64b.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/64.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/64a.jpg)
Yeah MS64BN or 63BN would pull them up
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='65668' dateline='1421813227'Yeah MS64BN or 63BN would pull them up
:agreed:
Much easier to get super high grade coppers with the Indian coins :whistle2:
You can get coins that are nearly perfect on one side but they usually
always have something going on with other side
I got some results back from PCGS, happy with some and disappointed with others..
Nothing fancy, biggest surprise is from a 1964 Y Penny, for a $5.50 coin to come back MS63RD. I will post pictures when PCGS updates the website.
I had high hopes for a 1940 1/2 D, unfortunately to come back disappointing MS63RB.
I send 4 coins out of a 2015 Mint set in to be graded at PCGS with another batch of decimals.
Here are the grades I received
.
2015 10c MS64
2015 $1 MS64
2015 50c (Honeycomb) MS69
2015 20 Unc Details (Scratch)
All these coins were carefully removed from the mint set and put into saflips for grading .
Bloody awful quality control at the Mint yet again
Some recent results from decimal submissions.
https://www.pcgs.com/membership/SharedOrder.aspx?OrderNo=20885147
https://www.pcgs.com/membership/SharedOrder.aspx?OrderNo=20873383
I cannot believe I only got ms62
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/TrueView_31442059_ExtraLarge.jpg)
still not a bad grading overall except for the pvc body bag
1984 20C Australia MS64
1984 20C Australia MS64
1984 50C Australia MS64
1984 50C Australia MS64
BE2517 50 Baht Ntl. Museum Centennial Thailand MS66
2007 10C Australia MS69
2007 5C Australia MS69
2007 20C Australia MS69
2007 $1 Australia MS69
2007 $2 Australia MS69
2007 50C Australia MS69
2005 20C End of WWII Australia MS69
1968 1C Australia MS64RD
1972 5C Australia MS65
2000 $1 Mule-Struck w/10C Obv Die Australia MS62
2000 $1 Mule-Struck w/10C Obv Die Australia XF45
2000 $1 Mule-Struck w/10C Obv Die Australia XF45
1966 50C Australia MS64
1969 50C Australia MS65
1971 20C Australia MS62
1972 20C Australia Genuine (99 - PVC Residue)
1972 50C Australia MS64
QuoteI cannot believe I only got ms62
Have to agree with you there Mate, Looks MINIMUM MS63 with a shot at 64 from those images :dodgy:
Were the 2007 coins from a Wedding set?
Would it be worthwhile to re-submit that mule?
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='65813' dateline='1422027776'Would it be worthwhile to re-submit that mule?
It probably is but I won't bother. It is going to get shipped of to the SDB where it will spend at least the next 10 years. One of the reasons I got the true view pics is so people can make their own mind up on the coin when the day comes to actually sell it. On a side note did people notice the pcgs quarterly special of 4 free true views?
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='65813' dateline='1422027776'Would it be worthwhile to re-submit that mule?
the bag marks have dragged the grade down one point
Interesting photography from PCGS on one of my latest results
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/31353944.html
Shrunk in the wash at bit Stevo?
They seem to like posting pics of their photography machine ....
Where's the reset button boss.?
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='65929' dateline='1422221569'Interesting photography from PCGS on one of my latest results
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/31353944.html
This happens all too often and is why I don't opt for the secure images anymore.
Even I can take a far superior image that that and it doesn't cost me an extra $5 a pop either :)
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='65929' dateline='1422221569'Interesting photography from PCGS on one of my latest results
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/31353944.html
:dodgy:
At least you have one side photographed well...I have one with nothing showing ! Very poor service ..
Here's one for the 1964 chocolate penny lovers.Not quite the
result I was looking for but it's still a nice looking coin
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/31353934/
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='61933' dateline='1415151595'Recent purchase now on it's way to PCGS but not easy to grade given it's a threepence which are quite often subject to being weakly struck.
Any opinions on grade?
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Have also sent this one across to be slabbed but the question is will it
make MS63 or MS64?
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We're getting pretty good at guessing the grades.Here are the links
to these two AU50 and MS64
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/31353949/
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/31353951/
nice work on that 28!
I have just sent yet another batch of wedding set coins off to PCGS.
This time I specified in the grade column MS/SP/PR as SP and in the description I put Wedding Set Specimen.
I also enclosed the back of a box from a 2002 Wedding set, I doubt that they will take any notice But even Blind Freddy can see the huge difference between a circulation/Mint set coin and these should be attributed accordingly IMHO.
With this sort of thing its all about keeping nocking on the door, Look how long it took for PCGS to attribute the 2000 incused coin.
It didn't happen overnight but in the end it DID happen :)
They're not by definition specimen strikes. For a coin to be a proof or specimen, it must be labeled such by the issuing mint. The Wedding set coins are called Gem Uncirculated by the RAM which makes them Uncirculated business strikes (and thus an MS holder).
That being said PCGS will follow the market and the Aussie market often calls them specimen strikes, they call the 1934 specimens as proofs so you might be able to convince them. I personally would like to see them differentiated as the regular strikes in MS69 and very rare but because of the availability of wedding set issues, the regular strikes are undervalued.
They are not only called "Gem uncirculated" on the box But they also state that they have been 'Specially" Produced to be free of blemishes usually associated with "Uncirculated" Coins.
My argument is if they are NOT Uncirculated Coins and are NOT Proof Coins then they must be by definition "Specimen" coins because of the way they were "Specially" Minted :)
The fields and the strike quality on these coins is astonishingly good and if you place a wedding set coin alongside an uncirculated/mint set coin the difference in quality and strike is undeniably different .
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='66064' dateline='1422327568'That being said PCGS will follow the market and the Aussie market often calls them specimen strikes, they call the 1934 specimens as proofs so you might be able to convince them.
I have been pondering on tha,t as there is a sudden spike in proof 1934/5 florin comings out of WA
I started to wonder of the mintage figures are faulty or if, the very early specimen/business strikes are being mistakenly described as proof issues?
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='66091' dateline='1422350662'Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='66064' dateline='1422327568'That being said PCGS will follow the market and the Aussie market often calls them specimen strikes, they call the 1934 specimens as proofs so you might be able to convince them.
I have been pondering on tha,t as there is a sudden spike in proof 1934/5 florin comings out of WA
I started to wonder of the mintage figures are faulty or if, the very early specimen/business strikes are being mistakenly described as proof issues?
I was actually referring to the 1934 standard specimens (half penny to florin), they were classed by the mint as specimens and H.G. Williams sold them as MS strikes.
You are correct though, the same applies to the 1934/5 except that there are actually true proof of record strikes (about 6 with at least half in museums). At least one of the proofs slabbed by PCGS is a true proof of record strike, at least one of the others is possibly one of the coins sold through H.G. Williams (it's from the same die).
These were special strikes indicating the possibility of an SP designation but the quality was poor compared to say the 1934 specimens or the proof of record strikes. As a result only 50 were sold, if the mint produced more then they would have either been melted or sold to the public through the Centenary celebrations.
it is my coins being discussed here so I figured I would weigh in. There are several factors that id the coins as proof strike along with supporting documentation that has been obtain by some learned coin collectors and out of respect for their researching efforts and I assume future publication of results I will not go into great detail. I can confirm that all the coins currently graded as proof's by PCGS are in actual fact proof strikes most likely struck within a few minutes of each other on the same day during a specific recorded event. Furthermore if you put a proof strike along side a normal strike the difference is clear and as with all proofs the devil is in the detail or in this case fine sharp details.
I know that some people deny the existence of the proofs but they are out there and PCGS has reject significantly more coins that people have attempted to have recognised as proofs as they did not fulfil the criteria to be recognised as one. With this in mind PCGS will not attribute a proof designation willy nilly and to argue that the existing graded coins are not proof strikes is to fly in the face of overwhelming evidence obtained through long research
Remember that for a long time a lot of coin collectors/dealers denied the existence of the 1/2 penny mule and there is still no official record of how it came to be but it happened. They would have better spent that time looking to obtain an example
There were 4 different strikes produced (these categories can be further subdivided but for simplicity purposes we'll leave it to these 4):
Trial strike, 2+, Royal mint London
Proof of record strike, 6+, Royal mint Melbourne
Wire rim (50 sold to H.G. Williams), 50+, Royal mint Melbourne
Bevel rim, 75,000, Royal mint Melbourne
Your coin is a Wire rim type, these were specially produced by the Melbourne mint at the request of H.G. Williams who bought 50 but didn't purchase any more as they were in his words of "inferior quality". Considering two dies were used, it is likely that more were produced.
Whether it should be considered PR/SP or MS is simply a matter of opinion on the definition of these terms, the Melbourne mint however did not consider them proof strikes.
Good topic, discussion, and answers.! :good:
was HG Williams the New Zealand buyer?
"Your coin is a Wire rim type, these were specially produced by the Melbourne mint at the request of H.G. Williams who bought 50 but didn't purchase any more as they were in his words of "inferior quality". Considering two dies were used, it is likely that more were produced"
you know I have 2 right?
QuoteYour coin is a Wire rim type, these were specially produced by the Melbourne mint at the request of H.G. Williams who bought 50 but didn't purchase any more as they were in his words of "inferior quality". Considering two dies were used, it is likely that more were produced.
Whether it should be considered PR/SP or MS is simply a matter of opinion on the definition of these terms, the Melbourne mint however did not consider them proof strikes.
As far as I am aware (With my Limited knowledge) the Specimen coins had a "Nipple" on the rider that upset the sensibilities of some people back then and was removed for the Business and the Proof strikes of this particular coin.
I see NO evidence of a Nipple on Serials coin But the strike does look like a proof issue.
Maybe the Melbourne Mint had a few proofs left over and they got flogged of in the Foy bags instead of wasting them like the others they melted down.
Nobody really knows and all the people involved in this mintage are probably all dead and buried by now anyway, So we will never know with absolute certainty.
but we have the material history to tell it's story
and a small number of experts who are able to accurately identify special coins
not all pcgs guys either
the 1930 penny was denied until the material history proved that wrong!
Quotebut we have the material history to tell it's story
NO we don't, We have hearsay conjecture and Urban Legends with this coin.
The experts have done a bloody good job of identifying these differing coins with the limited "Hard Facts" available , But nothing can be written in stone without factual and accurate information :ok:
yeah
we have the coins
This coin was fresh out of a new Mint set, I had a cursory glance at it before popping it into a saflip for Grading.
Just goes to show that I must be more meticulous when sorting coins to be graded and NOT put any faith in the Quality control at RAM ever again.
Not only does it have a scratch on the reverse it also has a bloody great "Divot" out of the rim on the obverse.
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Quote from: 'trout' pid='66253' dateline='1422585441'This coin was fresh out of a new Mint set, I had a cursory glance at it before popping it into a saflip for Grading.
Just goes to show that I must be more meticulous when sorting coins to be graded and NOT put any faith in the Quality control at RAM ever again.
Not only does it have a scratch on the reverse it also has a bloody great "Divot" out of the rim on the obverse.
That's a planchet flaw by the looks of it. Send it to me if you don't want it.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='66254' dateline='1422585705'Quote from: 'trout' pid='66253' dateline='1422585441'This coin was fresh out of a new Mint set, I had a cursory glance at it before popping it into a saflip for Grading.
Just goes to show that I must be more meticulous when sorting coins to be graded and NOT put any faith in the Quality control at RAM ever again.
Not only does it have a scratch on the reverse it also has a bloody great "Divot" out of the rim on the obverse.
That's a planchet flaw by the looks of it. Send it to me if you don't want it.
All yours Mate :)
posted to The Purple Penny as its the only address I have on hand (on the card).
If you are nice Kathryn just may let you keep it :diablo::laugh2:
I recently purchased a 1955 halfpenny which has something similiar on the rims to trout's 20c piece. On the obverse there is a small area above the N in REGINA where the beading and outer rim are missing. This is replicated on the reverse in nearly the exact same place just above the LI in AUSTRALIA. Would this be considered as a planchet flaw as well or could it have happened when the coin was struck?
I recently purchased a 1955 halfpenny that I want to send to PCGS which has something similar on the rims to Trout's 20c piece. On the obverse there is a small area above the N in REGINA where the beading and outer rim are missing. This is replicated on the reverse in nearly the exact same place just above the LI in AUSTRALIA. Would this be considered as a planchet flaw as well or could it have happened when the coin was struck?
Quote from: 'spraggdean23' pid='66261' dateline='1422589080'I recently purchased a 1955 halfpenny that I want to send to PCGS which has something similar on the rims to Trout's 20c piece. On the obverse there is a small area above the N in REGINA where the beading and outer rim are missing. This is replicated on the reverse in nearly the exact same place just above the LI in AUSTRALIA. Would this be considered as a planchet flaw as well or could it have happened when the coin was struck?
Not sure but from your description it shouldn't prevent grading by PCGS.
will this grade or do you think it will end up in a details slab?
if it does what do you think it will grade?
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I dont think PCGS will like this one
VF20 Obverse XF40 Reverse
Nice strike on the reverse, Not so much on the obverse.
Appears to have been dipped at some stage and lots of meat missing due to wear also quite a lot of detracting marks on the obverse.
I am pretty sure PCGS doesn't "Split Grade .
Best grade on this one VF25 or VF Details (Altered Surfaces)
You can always wait until a REAL expert answers But that is my take on this coin using the images supplied :)
Even if it does grade I don't think it would justify the cost. It would just be a scratched coin in a PCGS holder. Regardless, I don't think it will grade.
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='63619' dateline='1418377010'Just got this coin today.... What are your thought ? Is it worth slabbing ? If so what do you think it would get ? Thanks Folks..
I got my result back... It is PR63RB
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='66276' dateline='1422602193'Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='63619' dateline='1418377010'Just got this coin today.... What are your thought ? Is it worth slabbing ? If so what do you think it would get ? Thanks Folks..
I got my result back... It is PR63RB
What coin are u talking about?
Quote from: 'Nightparrot' pid='66278' dateline='1422603013'Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='66276' dateline='1422602193'Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='63619' dateline='1418377010'Just got this coin today.... What are your thought ? Is it worth slabbing ? If so what do you think it would get ? Thanks Folks..
I got my result back... It is PR63RB
What coin are u talking about?
http://www.australian-coins.net/showthread.php?tid=1976&pid=63619#pid63619
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Note sure how to repost the pictures from that post...
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='66281' dateline='1422605089'Note sure how to repost the pictures from that post...
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So I am not really seeing from those images why it only got PR63. What do you think is the reason?
Quote from: 'markn' pid='66283' dateline='1422605307'Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='66281' dateline='1422605089'Note sure how to repost the pictures from that post...
So I am not really seeing from those images why it only got PR63. What do you think is the reason?
Thanks Mark !
Yes, I was expecting PR64 at a minimum. I think the rub marks on Queens cheek are the only distraction... I am not sure why... Bit of a disappointment ....
Still a lovely coin.....
Quote from: 'Nightparrot' pid='66285' dateline='1422606330'Still a lovely coin.....
Thanks ! I am baffled as why PCGS would only grade it PR63.... This coin went thru 2 top Aussie coin dealers.. One graded it FDC other garded it PR64... If I was to buy raw coins, I need to understand PCGS thinking... This is about 5th time I could not explain PCGS grading...
Does it have any hairlines? It's not unusual to find them on proof copper of that era.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='66287' dateline='1422606968'Does it have any hairlines? It's not unusual to find them on proof copper of that era.
Not that I could find... I will have a closer look when I get it back... Looking at the other photo, there may be a slight scratch on queens cheek..
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30757291.html
Not sure how this coin is 64RD and similar coin got 63RB ?
You might want to consider these PCGS services:
REGRADE: For a coin previously graded by PCGS you feel might be worthy of a higher grade, submit it in the holder. The coin will be removed from the PCGS holder and regraded. Minimum grades are not accepted. If the coin grades lower, the terms of the PCGS guarantee will apply.
RECONSIDERATION: Use the Reconsideration service if you would like to have your coin regraded without being removed from its current holder. Minimum grades are not allowed.
The distinction between regrade and reconsideration is not very clear.
Quote from: 'Nightparrot' pid='66291' dateline='1422608773'You might want to consider these PCGS services:
REGRADE: For a coin previously graded by PCGS you feel might be worthy of a higher grade, submit it in the holder. The coin will be removed from the PCGS holder and regraded. Minimum grades are not accepted. If the coin grades lower, the terms of the PCGS guarantee will apply.
RECONSIDERATION: Use the Reconsideration service if you would like to have your coin regraded without being removed from its current holder. Minimum grades are not allowed.
The distinction between regrade and reconsideration is not very clear.
Thank you NP. I might consider one of those services.
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='66288' dateline='1422607205'Quote from: 'markn' pid='66287' dateline='1422606968'Does it have any hairlines? It's not unusual to find them on proof copper of that era.
Not that I could find... I will have a closer look when I get it back... Looking at the other photo, there may be a slight scratch on queens cheek..
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30757291.html
Not sure how this coin is 64RD and similar coin got 63RB ?
do you have a pcgs link for your coin? to compare?
No, not yet RG. When they post the result I will post the PCGS photo.
All I can see on this coin is planchet streaks , Looks PR65 at least to me from those images.
PCGS can be a little bit "Weird" with Aussie coppers that have the planchet streaks/Wood grains that are quite common in predecimals coppers.
You will never get a RD designation with Planchet streaks but some of these coins deserve a "+" designation as sometimes they can look outstanding.
One tiny scratch on the monarchs cheek should not degrade this to a 63 IMHO :ok:
Quote from: 'markn' pid='66287' dateline='1422606968'Does it have any hairlines? It's not unusual to find them on proof copper of that era.
My thoughts are the same, >90% of the time post-55 proofs below PR64 are at the grade because of hairlines.
I think my 1955 melb proof penny has hairlines as well
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='66352' dateline='1422702828'I think my 1955 melb proof penny has hairlines as well
Are these "hair lines" due to Cabinet Rub, Cleaning or are they prevalent due to an overzealous use of a wire brush by a Mint employee???
dunno
maybe I should find it and take a photo
it's around somewhere
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='66295' dateline='1422612380'
do you have a pcgs link for your coin? to compare?
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here we go, side by side comparison
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To find a 1955/56 penny in high grades is very hard, in fact only one has graded 67 at PCGS, compare that to the 1957-63 issues which are very hard to find i 67 but not as impossible as the 1955/56 penny series.
The vast majority grade 62-64 due to the polishing of the mint, handling/storing of the coins by people as well the packaging of the mint which dulled many of the coins.
Quote from: 'dcoin' pid='66393' dateline='1422789896'To find a 1955/56 penny in high grades is very hard, in fact only one has graded 67 at PCGS, compare that to the 1957-63 issues which are very hard to find i 67 but not as impossible as the 1955/56 penny series.
The vast majority grade 62-64 due to the polishing of the mint, handling/storing of the coins by people as well the packaging of the mint which dulled many of the coins.
I totally agree with you.... however I am at a loss as why the 1956 coin is PR64 and better / sharper 1955 is graded PR63.
interested in thoughts on the grade on this 25 1/2
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and this 25 penny please
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Maybe aEF is my guess for the halfpenny. Not up with the sheldon scale, but would it be around XF40? My guess for the penny arrr....gVF?
I'd say autocoupler is right on the money for the penny but the 1/2p might
stretch to xf45
It's a quiet day so :-
Aussie top end gVF, if there is any lustre not showing on pic
aEF which puts it about low XF range.
Do like these little fellas still showing designers initials.
thanks guys, what is that in pcgs world do you think?
a 1946 for you
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1946 penny is a bit trickier but I'll say XF35-40 .Cant nail that one down exactly
The 46 looks OK, planchet flaw and all, and has good hair. Somewhere around aEF to EF is my guess. Is that a dot between K and G?
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AU53-55
If I was grading the 38 from the pic with a view to buy, gEF would pull it up. In PCGS lingo would that be AU53? The cross on the orb looks OK but some of the other detail is not sharp, maybe from worn dies. I'm certainly no expert at this, but toned coins like this one are difficult, particularly from pics.
I got my 1st 1937 crown dot below i variant today as well
do pcgs recognise them yet?
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The 37 crown should grade MS63 IMO.Nothing majorly wrong with it ,just a few little
nicks here and there.Looks like you've had a profitable day.
Thanks stevo
I also got an old counterfeit 1922 florin in the lot. can anyone direct me to where I find out about the old ones that have value?
I have a slabbed '37 crown with the dot but it isn't attributed as a die error
Hi people could I please have some opinions on this just arrived
from Tasmania
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Looks good but George vi coins are a mystery to me grade wise. What is that dotted line that goes up between ny of penny?
The dotted line is not a scratch but a bit of a carbon.You can hardly notice it in hand
Nice looking coin regardless. Can't wait to hear how it grades
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='66445' dateline='1422947039'Hi people could I please have some opinions on this just arrived
from Tasmania
That's a tough one. There are a few rim dings here and there, the hair and eyebrow look to be just touched off, and the flecky affect in the fields I assume is to do with the pic itself. OK, enough fence sitting, my guess is aUNC. What's that in PCGS, AU58 - MS60,61 ?
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='66445' dateline='1422947039'Hi people could I please have some opinions on this just arrived
from Tasmania
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I have a lot of trouble grading from your pictures Steve
yes, it is a great big photo but in my computer screen is looks almost smudgey as if the pixels are too low even though it is a big picture
I guess that I mean the photo doesn't look crisp - if I compare your pics today to Serials pics today - I can grade better from Serials photos
maybe fordie or someone could advise on the camera settings?
WOOT! my $200 cheepo camera trumps an iphone camera :)
thanks robbiegirl :)
however my coins look better in hand than my pics show.
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I have a lot of trouble grading from your pictures Steve
yes, it is a great big photo but in my computer screen is looks almost smudgey as if the pixels are too low even though it is a big picture
I guess that I mean the photo doesn't look crisp - if I compare your pics today to Serials pics today - I can grade better from Serials photos
maybe fordie or someone could advise on the camera settings?
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Hi RG if you click on the photo it should bring it back into focus and reduce the size a bit
nope doesn't work at my end Steve
sorry Robbie , but works my end , trouble might be your p/c needs a service ? ,, kel ,,
Cheers kel my computer isn't very old but the screen is pretty big 23 inches I think so it is pretty big. But the surface of the coins both in Steve and accumulators pics always looks unclear for me. Just how the resolution is I supposej
Have you tried different display resolution settings?
no Jeff - haven't needed to because other photos like , mark's, robsters, fordies, serials, aj's even Trouts all look like magic
I can grade from those photos
anyways doesn't really matter but it makes me hesitant to comment as I can't clearly see the surfaces etc etc enough to be really confident
cheers
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='66484' dateline='1423036163'no Jeff - haven't needed to because other photos like , mark's, robsters, fordies, serials, aj's even Trouts all look like magic
I can grade from those photos
anyways doesn't really matter but it makes me hesitant to comment as I can't clearly see the surfaces etc etc enough to be really confident
cheers
You're not the only one robbie. The images of that half penny are overly compressed and the compression artifacts make them hard to grade from. The obverse is a bit out of focus. I wouldn't attempt to grade from them, but to be fair I wouldn't try to grade from Serial's latest images either.
Steve can you adjust the camera to use a less aggressive compression setting?
is the compression setting in the camera?
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='66489' dateline='1423041341'is the compression setting in the camera?
Digital cameras work by putting light through a lens into a charged coupled device which produces a raw digital image. They then process the raw image into some sort of usable digital format like JPG (though a lot of cameras can give you RAW images too). The settings they use to create the JPG images are usually configurable. And one of those settings is compression. Steve's images of that half penny show compression artifacts. I have no idea if if his camera allows it to be tweaked or not. But if he did tweak it I bet he'd get better images.
I reduced the pixels to see if that makes a difference
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/20150204_195553.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/20150204_195610.jpg)
yep a bit better
my camera has image sizes 3m - 14 m and on the large sizes the picture is a monster - so then I reduce the pixcels etc. to make it smaller then it gets really crappy
the compression option in my camera is normal or fine - I tis set on normal but I have never adjusted it
so I have found that if I start by reducing the image in the camera it is less hassle to reduce the size etc and I think the picture remains a bit clearer
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='66493' dateline='1423045490'yep a bit better
my camera has image sizes 3m - 14 m and on the large sizes the picture is a monster - so then I reduce the pixcels etc. to make it smaller then it gets really crappy
the compression option in my camera is normal or fine - I tis set on normal but I have never adjusted it
so I have found that if I start by reducing the image in the camera it is less hassle to reduce the size etc and I think the picture remains a bit clearer
My camera is on my phone and I set it to the lowest level (2.4m) and
couldn't see any other way to make it smaller apart from externally compressing it
Steve's "camera" is a Samsung Galaxy phone, not a point & shoot camera.
The image Data Exif info suggests the Original Image as sized at 2049X1152
resized to 512X288 (Squeezed way too much) then resized to 1075X1048.
Way too much resizing going on leaving holes (Artifacts as Mark has stated)
I wuz hoping that you'd come along fordie
yes, when I resize my big pictures right down they become really unclear but sometimes I don't really know how to do the resizing to make them smaller for loading up say on here but, since I have started using the forum gallery & load up there first then paste the link into the post that i'm doing
I have found that I don't have to make the pictures so small
hope I am making sense
I'll put up a little "Simple Coin Cropping" over yonder.
Getting way of topic for this area. :angel:
cheers - that will be appreciated by the likes of Steve and myself
but I beg to differ about being off topic as the thread is about grading from people's loaded photos and/or pasted links to seller photos and sometimes - well a lot of the time I really can't see the surfaces well enough to comment
Quote from: 'Fordprefect' pid='66495' dateline='1423046322'Steve's "camera" is a Samsung Galaxy phone, not a point & shoot camera.
The image Data Exif info suggests the Original Image as sized at 2049X1152
resized to 512X288 (Squeezed way too much) then resized to 1075X1048.
Way too much resizing going on leaving holes (Artifacts as Mark has stated)
Good sleuthing FP.
Sent a 1964m chocolate penny to PCGS as a speculator thinking it might make MS65 but unfortunately it fell just short.It must have been close or possibly the carbon streaks held it back
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/31353934.html
That is a beautiful coin stevo. The chocolate toning (with lustre underneath) and the clarity of the leaves are certainly highlights of the coin.
Thanks OMF the photos don't do it justice
Nice coin stevo. Here is one that I had graded a while ago that I think graded less than I thought it would perhaps due to carbon streaking.
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29282887.html
Quote from: 'spraggdean23' pid='66806' dateline='1423649842'Nice coin stevo. Here is one that I had graded a while ago that I think graded less than I thought it would perhaps due to carbon streaking.
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29282887.html
Nice purple toning on that one.They have to be pretty good to
make MS65
QuoteThey're not by definition specimen strikes. For a coin to be a proof or specimen, it must be labeled such by the issuing mint. The Wedding set coins are called Gem Uncirculated by the RAM which makes them Uncirculated business strikes (and thus an MS holder).
That being said PCGS will follow the market and the Aussie market often calls them specimen strikes,
PCGS MAY be considering this submission as SP as they normally call these coins "World Modern" but this time on my list of submissions they are listed as "Modern Issues"
We will find out in a few weeks when they have been graded and I will post the results here :ok:
Quote from: 'spraggdean23' pid='66806' dateline='1423649842'Nice coin stevo. Here is one that I had graded a while ago that I think graded less than I thought it would perhaps due to carbon streaking.
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29282887.html
beautiful coin
maybe the bump on skippy's tail added to the knock down
regardless, it is very beautiful and the roo is exceptionally well struck
you have good taste!
I just got this to send of to the plastic factory
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/P2130282.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/P2130281.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/P2130280.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/P2130279.JPG)
hard to get the colours right
Gee, I have some plastic coins (School Money). Can I send them to the plastics factory? :dodgy:
What grade do you expect to achieve with this one serial?
Might hit MS62 or outside chance of MS63 on that one Serial
Thanks stevo, I honestly don't know how it will grade. I cant get my head around pcgs grading 27's so I am throwing a few different mint state coins at them in the hope I get a 64 or higher out of the batch. this one that I havnt done the best job photographing but I feel it is a contender as it has the "toning " they seem to like but I have included some blast white and heavily toned ones as well. I will let you know how it goes
"blast white"
I know what you mean but that is an unfortunate term with other connotations. Sodablasting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodablasting)
I found some posts on (not coin) forums recommending it for coins, medals, tokens etc. [One of them even suggested Brasso as the finishing touch! That should get trout excited.]
Also often used as a derogatory term for acid dipped silver coins.
"Also often used as a derogatory term for acid dipped silver coins. "
hhhmm well I used the term in the context that it is devoid of toning
Quote from: 'serial' pid='66936' dateline='1423809071'"Also often used as a derogatory term for acid dipped silver coins. "
hhhmm well I used the term in the context that it is devoid of toning
A good point Serial.
There are many coins out there that are untoned and undipped and have been stored well.
For these coins I rather would use a term like "Full Mint Bloom" or "Fully Lustrous ", "Blast White" does bring up images of nasty dipped coins for me.
I have many of these with full lustre but I suspect that quite a few of them have had at least 1 dip without damaging the original lustre.
I personally prefer the toned coins, Not because they haven't been dipped But because the toning enhances the design as far as I am concerned.
I wish you well with your submission, I would be nice to see some top score Canberra's graded .
Slightly O/T.
The 1927 Canberra that Trout won last month (with the lovely toned coin image of the coin I won), did the dodgy seller send you a nice Unc toned coin or an ugly dipped white coin?
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='67035' dateline='1423978961'Slightly O/T.
The 1927 Canberra that Trout won last month (with the lovely toned coin image of the coin I won), did the dodgy seller send you a nice Unc toned coin or an ugly dipped white coin?
I simply told the seller that I was aware of the scam and got my money back "Proto".
I would of Much rather have got the coin that you did, Well done Mate :yahoo:
this is a scan and not a pic sorry but would it be worth grading, it has a few little marks.
(http://i58.tinypic.com/300uuxj.jpg)
(http://i61.tinypic.com/2u70k5j.jpg)
aUNC.
There you go and it didn't cost you anything for an (in)expert opinion! :laughingneqw:
I will let one of the slab fans give you a worthwhile opinion.
looks to me to have pretty tones AJ
I can't really comment on the pcgs bit but I have seen some really common years like the 1987 proofs go for a flaming bomb on numisbid - I have shaken my head in downright disbelief at the hammer prices .. yeah yeah - the grade was high etc etc
:laugh2: your a crack up Jeff, so who let you out of your box again, does your missus know your out :winkextra: I wanna be good :blush2:
Yes it does RG a slight rainbow toning, I'll see if I can get a pic of it :)
Thanks for the insightful input team :good:
yes A J ,
I think so it would be a good investment I think .. ,, kel ,,
I'd be really happy to get MS66 but anything MS would be good.
I tried sorry RG but I need a better set up/camera as I can't get a decent pic so might have to send to Mark because he'd get a good one no worries as it's not a heavy toning so you have to play around and try and get it on the right angle and me shaking like a leaf doesn't help.
Looks MS66 or 67 to me
Thanks Stevo, I'll put that on the 2x2 :winkextra:
I am not sure if people know but PCGS is doing a quarterly special on true view. your 1st 5 submissions with true view requested between jan1 and march 31st get true view for free. so even if you don't usually get it I suggest you choose 5 coins to get it on if your doing a submission.
linky
http://www.pcgs.com/ccspecial.html
Good pick up serial. Great deal going on there off setting the weak AUD somewhat.
How is it off setting the dollar?
as it now cost $30 to have one graded so you only save if you get that feature in the first place and is it worth the extra for this feature?
Oh and that $30 is getting one of our members to do it so I suppose if you want to go to the trouble of doing it your self I suppose you could save more but then you also have to know what your doing.
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='67167' dateline='1424148033'Oh and that $30 is getting one of our members to do it so I suppose if you want to go to the trouble of doing it your self I suppose you could save more but then you also have to know what your doing.
There are people doing it for $18 but can you trust them?
Some one just did a 724 coin submission of Australian coins! Check out shared submission number 9006831
1 1 31567511 394728 1977 2C Australia MS66RD
1 2 31567512 394728 1977 2C Australia MS66+RD
1 3 31567513 394728 1977 2C Australia MS66RD
1 4 31567514 394728 1977 2C Australia MS66RD
1 5 31567515 394728 1977 2C Australia MS66+RD
2 1 31567516 394734 1979 2C Australia MS66RD
2 2 31567517 394734 1979 2C Australia MS65RD
2 3 31567518 394734 1979 2C Australia MS66+RD
2 4 31567519 394734 1979 2C Australia MS66RD
2 5 31567520 394734 1979 2C Australia MS66RD
2 6 31567521 394734 1979 2C Australia MS66RD
2 7 31567522 394734 1979 2C Australia MS66RD
2 8 31567523 394734 1979 2C Australia MS66+RD
2 9 31567524 394734 1979 2C Australia MS66RD
2 10 31567525 394734 1979 2C Australia MS66RD
2 11 31567526 394734 1979 2C Australia MS67RD
3 1 31567527 630820 1966(c) 2C Australia MS65RB
3 2 31567528 631110 1966(c) 2C Australia MS65RD
3 3 31567529 631110 1966(c) 2C Australia MS64RD
3 4 31567530 631110 1966(c) 2C Australia MS65RD
3 5 31567531 631110 1966(c) 2C Australia MS65RD
3 6 31567532 631110 1966(c) 2C Australia MS65RD
4 1 31567533 394749 1984 2C Australia MS67RD
4 2 31567534 394749 1984 2C Australia MS66+RD
4 3 31567535 394749 1984 2C Australia MS66RD
4 4 31567536 394749 1984 2C Australia MS67RD
4 5 31567537 394749 1984 2C Australia MS66RD
4 6 31567538 394749 1984 2C Australia MS66+RD
4 7 31567539 394749 1984 2C Australia MS66+RD
4 8 31567540 394749 1984 2C Australia MS66RD
4 9 31567541 394749 1984 2C Australia MS66RD
4 10 31567542 394749 1984 2C Australia MS66+RD
5 1 31567543 114196 1968 20C Australia MS66
5 2 31567544 114196 1968 20C Australia MS65
6 1 31567545 499122 1970 20C Australia MS66+
6 2 31567546 499122 1970 20C Australia MS67
7 1 31567547 513317 2012 $1 Co-Operative Australia MS66
7 2 31567548 513317 2012 $1 Co-Operative Australia MS66
7 3 31567549 513317 2012 $1 Co-Operative Australia MS66
7 4 31567550 513317 2012 $1 Co-Operative Australia MS66+
7 5 31567551 513317 2012 $1 Co-Operative Australia MS67
7 6 31567552 513317 2012 $1 Co-Operative Australia MS66
7 7 31567553 513317 2012 $1 Co-Operative Australia MS67
7 8 31567554 513317 2012 $1 Co-Operative Australia MS66+
7 9 31567555 513317 2012 $1 Co-Operative Australia MS66
7 10 31567556 513317 2012 $1 Co-Operative Australia MS66
7 11 31567557 513317 2012 $1 Co-Operative Australia MS66
7 12 31567558 513317 2012 $1 Co-Operative Australia MS66
8 1 31567559 520240 2013 $1 Benevolent Society Australia MS66
8 2 31567560 520240 2013 $1 Benevolent Society Australia MS66
9 1 31567561 516245 2011 $1 Rabbit Al-Bronze Australia MS65
9 2 31567562 516245 2011 $1 Rabbit Al-Bronze Australia MS66
9 3 31567563 516245 2011 $1 Rabbit Al-Bronze Australia MS65
9 4 31567564 516245 2011 $1 Rabbit Al-Bronze Australia MS66
9 5 31567565 516245 2011 $1 Rabbit Al-Bronze Australia MS66
10 1 31567566 516248 2012 $1 Dragon Al-Br 25mm Australia MS66
10 2 31567567 516248 2012 $1 Dragon Al-Br 25mm Australia MS66
11 1 31567568 517975 2013 $1 Snake Australia MS68
11 2 31567569 517975 2013 $1 Snake Australia MS66
11 3 31567570 517975 2013 $1 Snake Australia MS67
11 4 31567571 517975 2013 $1 Snake Australia MS67
11 5 31567572 517975 2013 $1 Snake Australia MS66+
11 6 31567573 517975 2013 $1 Snake Australia MS66
11 7 31567574 517975 2013 $1 Snake Australia MS67+
12 1 31567575 513307 2012 50C Bombing - Map Australia MS66
12 2 31567576 513307 2012 50C Bombing - Map Australia MS66+
12 3 31567577 513307 2012 50C Bombing - Map Australia MS66
12 4 31567578 513307 2012 50C Bombing - Map Australia MS66
12 5 31567579 513307 2012 50C Bombing - Map Australia MS66
12 6 31567580 513307 2012 50C Bombing - Map Australia MS66
13 1 31567581 513306 2012 20C Bombing - Shelter Australia MS66
13 2 31567582 513306 2012 20C Bombing - Shelter Australia MS67+
13 3 31567583 513306 2012 20C Bombing - Shelter Australia MS67
13 4 31567584 513306 2012 20C Bombing - Shelter Australia MS67
13 5 31567585 513306 2012 20C Bombing - Shelter Australia MS67
13 6 31567586 513306 2012 20C Bombing - Shelter Australia MS67
14 1 31567587 513303 2012 20C Bombing - Lookout Australia MS68
14 2 31567588 513303 2012 20C Bombing - Lookout Australia MS67
14 3 31567589 513303 2012 20C Bombing - Lookout Australia MS67
14 4 31567590 513303 2012 20C Bombing - Lookout Australia MS68
14 5 31567591 513303 2012 20C Bombing - Lookout Australia MS67
14 6 31567592 513303 2012 20C Bombing - Lookout Australia MS68
15 1 31567593 520239 2013 20C Army Chaplains Australia MS67
15 2 31567594 520239 2013 20C Army Chaplains Australia MS67
15 3 31567595 520239 2013 20C Army Chaplains Australia MS67
15 4 31567596 520239 2013 20C Army Chaplains Australia MS67
15 5 31567597 520239 2013 20C Army Chaplains Australia MS67
15 6 31567598 520239 2013 20C Army Chaplains Australia MS67
15 7 31567599 520239 2013 20C Army Chaplains Australia MS67
15 8 31567600 520239 2013 20C Army Chaplains Australia MS67
15 9 31567601 520239 2013 20C Army Chaplains Australia MS67
15 10 31567602 520239 2013 20C Army Chaplains Australia MS67
15 11 31567603 520239 2013 20C Army Chaplains Australia MS67+
16 1 31567604 513319 2012 $1 Women's Trophy Australia MS66
16 2 31567605 513319 2012 $1 Women's Trophy Australia MS66
16 3 31567606 513319 2012 $1 Women's Trophy Australia MS67
16 4 31567607 513319 2012 $1 Women's Trophy Australia MS66
16 5 31567608 513319 2012 $1 Women's Trophy Australia MS66
16 6 31567609 513319 2012 $1 Women's Trophy Australia MS65
16 7 31567610 513319 2012 $1 Women's Trophy Australia MS65
16 8 31567611 513319 2012 $1 Women's Trophy Australia MS66
17 1 31567612 513318 2012 $1 Men's Trophy Australia MS65
17 2 31567613 513318 2012 $1 Men's Trophy Australia MS65
17 3 31567614 513318 2012 $1 Men's Trophy Australia MS66
17 4 31567615 513318 2012 $1 Men's Trophy Australia MS66
17 5 31567616 513318 2012 $1 Men's Trophy Australia MS66
18 1 31567617 117385 2011 $1 Joan Sutherland Al-Bronze Australia MS66
18 2 31567618 117385 2011 $1 Joan Sutherland Al-Bronze Australia MS66+
18 3 31567619 117385 2011 $1 Joan Sutherland Al-Bronze Australia MS65
18 4 31567620 117385 2011 $1 Joan Sutherland Al-Bronze Australia MS66
18 5 31567621 117385 2011 $1 Joan Sutherland Al-Bronze Australia MS66
18 6 31567622 117385 2011 $1 Joan Sutherland Al-Bronze Australia MS65
18 7 31567623 117385 2011 $1 Joan Sutherland Al-Bronze Australia MS66
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19 3 31567626 114458 2001-C $1 Army Australia MS66+
20 1 31567627 531987 2014-M $1 A Voyage to Terra Australis Australia MS67+
20 2 31567628 531987 2014-M $1 A Voyage to Terra Australis Australia MS67
21 1 31567629 706363 1994 5C Australia MS67
22 1 31567630 522867 2014 10C Australia MS66+
23 1 31567631 522866 2014 20C Australia MS68
24 1 31567632 522865 2014 50C Australia MS68
25 1 31567633 522864 2014 $1 Mob of Roos Colorized Australia MS68
26 1 31567634 522741 2014 $2 Australia MS65+
27 1 31567635 534552 2015 50C Goat Australia MS67
27 2 31567636 534552 2015 50C Goat Australia MS68
28 1 31567637 391569 2002 5C Australia MS68
29 1 31567638 391570 2002 10C Australia MS68+
30 1 31567639 391571 2002 20C Australia MS69
31 1 31567640 165418 2002 50C Windmill Australia MS69
32 1 31567641 165419 2002 $1 Year of the Outback Australia MS68
33 1 31567642 391572 2002 $2 Australia MS69
34 1 31567643 391573 2003 5C Australia MS69
35 1 31567644 391574 2003 10C Australia MS69
36 1 31567645 162364 2003 20C Volunteers Australia MS69
37 1 31567646 162365 2003 50C Volunteers Cu-Ni Australia MS69
38 1 31567647 162366 2003 $1 Volunteers Australia MS69
39 1 31567648 394590 2005 5C Australia MS69
40 1 31567649 394591 2005 10C Australia MS69
41 1 31567650 174215 2005 20C End of WWII Australia MS68+
42 1 31567651 174216 2005 50C Remembrance Australia MS69
43 1 31567652 174217 2005 $1 60th Ann WWII End Australia MS68
44 1 31567653 394592 2005 $2 Australia MS68
45 1 31567654 114412 2000 $1 Victoria Cross Australia MS68
46 1 31567655 523585 2013 $1 AFL Premier Denom. Obv Australia MS67+
46 2 31567656 523585 2013 $1 AFL Premier Denom. Obv Australia MS66
46 3 31567657 523585 2013 $1 AFL Premier Denom. Obv Australia MS67+
46 4 31567658 523585 2013 $1 AFL Premier Denom. Obv Australia MS67
46 5 31567659 523585 2013 $1 AFL Premier Denom. Obv Australia MS68
46 6 31567660 523585 2013 $1 AFL Premier Denom. Obv Australia MS67
46 7 31567661 523585 2013 $1 AFL Premier Denom. Obv Australia MS66
46 8 31567662 523585 2013 $1 AFL Premier Denom. Obv Australia MS67
46 9 31567663 523585 2013 $1 AFL Premier Denom. Obv Australia MS67+
46 10 31567664 523585 2013 $1 AFL Premier Denom. Obv Australia MS67
46 11 31567665 523585 2013 $1 AFL Premier Denom. Obv Australia MS67+
47 1 31567666 972113 2012 $1 AFL Premiers Denom. Obv Australia MS66
47 2 31567667 972113 2012 $1 AFL Premiers Denom. Obv Australia MS66
48 1 31567668 414822 2008 50C Americas Cup Australia MS67
48 2 31567669 414822 2008 50C Americas Cup Australia MS67
48 3 31567670 414822 2008 50C Americas Cup Australia MS67+
48 4 31567671 414822 2008 50C Americas Cup Australia MS68
49 1 31567672 404411 2006 50C Gymnastics Australia MS66
50 1 31567673 590178 2009 $1 Steve Irwin Australia MS66+
50 2 31567674 590178 2009 $1 Steve Irwin Australia MS67
50 3 31567675 590178 2009 $1 Steve Irwin Australia MS67
50 4 31567676 590178 2009 $1 Steve Irwin Australia MS66
50 5 31567677 590178 2009 $1 Steve Irwin Australia MS66
50 6 31567678 590178 2009 $1 Steve Irwin Australia MS66
51 1 31567679 514865 2012 $1 Sir Douglas Mawson Australia MS67
51 2 31567680 514865 2012 $1 Sir Douglas Mawson Australia MS66
51 3 31567681 514865 2012 $1 Sir Douglas Mawson Australia MS66+
51 4 31567682 514865 2012 $1 Sir Douglas Mawson Australia MS67
51 5 31567683 514865 2012 $1 Sir Douglas Mawson Australia MS67
52 1 31567684 520248 2013 $1 Slim Dusty Australia MS67+
52 2 31567685 520248 2013 $1 Slim Dusty Australia MS67
53 1 31567686 394710 1971 2C Australia MS66RD
53 2 31567687 394710 1971 2C Australia MS66RD
54 1 31567688 394716 1973 2C Australia MS66RD
54 2 31567689 394716 1973 2C Australia MS66RD
54 3 31567690 394716 1973 2C Australia MS66RD
54 4 31567691 394716 1973 2C Australia MS66RD
54 5 31567692 394716 1973 2C Australia MS66RD
54 6 31567693 394716 1973 2C Australia MS65RD
54 7 31567694 394716 1973 2C Australia MS66RD
54 8 31567695 394716 1973 2C Australia MS66RD
54 9 31567696 394716 1973 2C Australia MS66RD
54 10 31567697 394716 1973 2C Australia MS66RD
54 11 31567698 394716 1973 2C Australia MS66RD
54 12 31567699 394716 1973 2C Australia MS66RD
55 1 31567700 394719 1974 2C Australia MS66RD
55 2 31567701 394719 1974 2C Australia MS66RD
55 3 31567702 394719 1974 2C Australia MS66RD
55 4 31567703 394719 1974 2C Australia MS66RD
55 5 31567704 394719 1974 2C Australia MS66RD
55 6 31567705 394719 1974 2C Australia MS66RD
55 7 31567706 394719 1974 2C Australia MS66RD
55 8 31567707 394719 1974 2C Australia MS66RD
56 1 31567708 113999 1966(c) 5C Australia MS63
56 2 31567709 113999 1966(c) 5C Australia MS64
56 3 31567710 113999 1966(c) 5C Australia MS65
57 1 31567711 144218 1972 5C Australia MS66
57 2 31567712 144218 1972 5C Australia MS65
57 3 31567713 144218 1972 5C Australia MS65
58 1 31567714 706311 1973 5C Australia MS66
58 2 31567715 706311 1973 5C Australia MS66+
58 3 31567716 706311 1973 5C Australia MS67
59 1 31567717 706311 1973 5C Australia MS66
59 2 31567718 706311 1973 5C Australia MS67
60 1 31567719 706390 1967 10C Australia MS66
61 1 31567720 706390 1967 10C Australia MS66
62 1 31567721 402874 1972 10C Australia MS65
63 1 31567722 499037 1973 10C Australia MS66
64 1 31567723 144127 1973 20C Australia MS66+
64 2 31567724 144129 1971 50C Australia MS65
64 3 31567725 509736 2011 20C Royal Wedding Australia MS65
65 1 31567726 509736 2011 20C Royal Wedding Australia MS65
66 1 31567727 509736 2011 20C Royal Wedding Australia MS65
66 2 31567728 639356 1966(c) 1C Australia MS65RD
66 3 31567729 391583 2004 5C Australia MS68
66 4 31567730 391583 2004 5C Australia MS69
66 5 31567731 391583 2004 5C Australia MS68
66 6 31567732 391583 2004 5C Australia MS68
66 7 31567733 391583 2004 5C Australia MS68
67 1 31567734 391583 2004 5C Australia MS68
68 1 31567735 391583 2004 5C Australia MS69
69 1 31567736 394590 2005 5C Australia MS68
70 1 31567737 590125 2006 5C Australia MS69
70 2 31567738 590127 2008 5C Australia MS69
70 3 31567739 391584 2004 10C Australia MS69
70 4 31567740 391584 2004 10C Australia MS69
70 5 31567741 391584 2004 10C Australia MS69
70 6 31567742 391584 2004 10C Australia MS69
70 7 31567743 391584 2004 10C Australia MS68
71 1 31567744 391584 2004 10C Australia MS69
72 1 31567745 391584 2004 10C Australia MS69
73 1 31567746 394591 2005 10C Australia MS69
74 1 31567747 590131 2006 10C Australia MS68
74 2 31567748 590133 2008 10C Australia MS69
74 3 31567749 509957 2004 20C Large Head Australia MS68
74 4 31567750 509957 2004 20C Large Head Australia MS68
74 5 31567751 509957 2004 20C Large Head Australia MS69
74 6 31567752 509957 2004 20C Large Head Australia MS69
74 7 31567753 509957 2004 20C Large Head Australia MS69
75 1 31567754 509957 2004 20C Large Head Australia MS69
76 1 31567755 509957 2004 20C Large Head Australia MS68
77 1 31567756 174215 2005 20C End of WWII Australia MS68
78 1 31567757 590138 2006 20C Australia MS69
78 2 31567758 590140 2008 20C Australia MS69
78 3 31567759 511629 2004 50C Large Head Australia MS69
78 4 31567760 511629 2004 50C Large Head Australia MS69
78 5 31567761 511629 2004 50C Large Head Australia MS68
78 6 31567762 511629 2004 50C Large Head Australia MS69
78 7 31567763 511629 2004 50C Large Head Australia MS69
79 1 31567764 511629 2004 50C Large Head Australia MS69
80 1 31567765 511629 2004 50C Large Head Australia MS68
81 1 31567766 174216 2005 50C Remembrance Australia MS68
82 1 31567767 590144 2006 50C Australia MS69
82 2 31567768 590146 2008 50C Australia MS68+
82 3 31567769 509079 2004 $1 Australia MS69
82 4 31567770 509079 2004 $1 Australia MS68
82 5 31567771 509079 2004 $1 Australia MS68
82 6 31567772 509079 2004 $1 Australia MS68
82 7 31567773 509079 2004 $1 Australia MS66
83 1 31567774 509079 2004 $1 Australia MS67
84 1 31567775 509079 2004 $1 Australia MS68
85 1 31567776 174217 2005 $1 60th Ann WWII End Australia MS67
86 1 31567777 509963 2006 $1 Australia MS68
86 2 31567778 590153 2008 $1 Australia MS69
86 3 31567779 391587 2004 $2 Australia MS68
86 4 31567780 391587 2004 $2 Australia MS68
86 5 31567781 391587 2004 $2 Australia MS69
86 6 31567782 391587 2004 $2 Australia MS68
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88 1 31567784 391587 2004 $2 Australia MS68
89 1 31567785 394592 2005 $2 Australia MS68
90 1 31567786 407607 2006 $2 Australia MS68
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holey f... hell batman ...:angel:
a few PR70DC in there..
could be a slooooow release on the bay
A few top of pops! That is a well picked out grading run. My money is on this being emus handing work
check out the 2000 millennium 50 cent incused ms66 and ms67 wooow
no they are normal ones stevo
Quote from: 'serial' pid='67189' dateline='1424162542'no they are normal ones stevo
bugger
Looks like the person has done pretty well an almost complete decimal collection.........
Definatly looks like feathers handiwork.
great job :good:
Who is "feathers"?
It could be cotton & co .I was talking to Michael Cotton today and his last submission
contained 25000 coins
I scrolled through those numbers many times looking for 9006831 :kez_11: Thankfully I now know I'm not susceptible to epilepsy :sleepy:
That is massive. First thought being how many top of the pops would he have gotten in that one and how would it affect their prices. Secondly the amount he would have to pay for that many coins to be slabbed let alone insurance.
Yeah it was feathers and he's quite happy with the results
ok so now I am confused
is it Peter's submission (maybe for Stuart) or Serials?
No its not mine. I wish I had $20k spare to spend on grading fees much less the coins that were graded!
That is $100k+ worth of coins!!"
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='67231' dateline='1424243746'ok so now I am confused
is it Peter's submission (maybe for Stuart) or Serials?
It was all Stuart's stuff
oh ta guys
now I get it
sorry - I thought that Serial had gone pro!!! I was duly impressed with that list.
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='67266' dateline='1424326735'oh ta guys
now I get it
sorry - I thought that Serial had gone pro!!! I was duly impressed with that list.
thanks for the vote of confidence but my power ball numbers didn't come up
plus you could deduct 2 points of 80% of everything there and that would be a submission I would have sent
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='67195' dateline='1424168386'Who is "feathers"?
bruce , feathers is EMU , I thought u would know that ,, kel ,,
Nope, sorry kel.
$20,000 plus to get that lot slabbed. I need more than that to do my decimal collection.......
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='67304' dateline='1424384858'Nope, sorry kel.
$20,00 plus to get that lot slabbed. I need more than that to do my decimal collection.......
It would have cost $12,670 USD to get that lot slabbed Plus outward postage.
Sounds like a lot of money but it works out at only $17.50 USD per coin for the grading fees at the standard submission rates , If this qualified as a "Bulk" submission it would have been cheaper than that.
For most people this would seem a very risky venture But with Feathers doing the selecting it is a "No Brainer" great investment.
I can only imagine the time and effort involved putting all these coins together.
Just the selection would have involved grading out coins from thousands, then they would have all been safliped tagged and recorded on the submission before posting.
A marathon effort and looking at the results extremely well executed.
Glad I'm not into slabbed coins, I'm still finding it hard to pay more than $20 a coin for good quality pre-decimals.
Maybe when I pay the mortgage off and the kids grow up....
...and a possible lotto win!
Quote...and a possible lotto win!
Not really these guys do this all the time.
A mixture of Skill and a conviction in their own abilities = a good result.
lotto is gambling, these blokes KNEW what they had before they sent them away and knew the values of each coin they sent.
Not gambling at all IMHO just a great use of "Finesse" , skill and having the "Balls" to back themselves.
One day I may be half as good as Feathers at pre-Grading and that will be good enough for me :yahoo:
you have described a professional coin dealership in a nut shell
and how it ticks consequent to the dealerships' experience in that particular market
one should expect no less
:yahoo: thank you so very much Eric :thank_you: got my coins and sorry about my crappy pic's but very happy :)
2x AU53 and 2x AU55
(http://i57.tinypic.com/w8l5xi.jpg)
and now my babies, PR66 1 & 2 cent, PR68 5, 10 &20 and PR65 50 cent
(http://i57.tinypic.com/wvvd60.jpg)
Very very nice AJ!
thanks Uni, I have 2 more incuse for Eric to suss and hope to get at least around the same grades and yes very happy with the 66 set :good:
Not that I'll sell the 66 set for a while but anyone got any ideas on how much it would be worth??
beautiful Jayson , no wonder your happy ,
I would be to with that lot . . ,, kel ,,
Just got this out of a mint set and I'm wondering if this
will be slabbable with this error
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/b~1.jpg)
Gee nice coin Stevo :drooling: but don't know about slabbing so we'll have to see what the others say but I'm very interested to find out :good: I think it's one of those things where if you did get it done it would be to protect it for your collection as some things aren't worth it as the coin might not get the slab price back but then you just never know and might be a real hit on feebay :winkextra:
would have to near be a 20 cent wouldn't it :D
Very cool. Not sure if there's a premium for it though, I like planchet flaws but not many others do. Plus error slabs are like $70 now. For one coin. Ouch. Nonetheless, very cool and desirable IMHO.
Hands off Mark, I spied it second after Stevo :winkextra: Gee so $70 for error, mmm means it has to be a pretty good coin to justify it.
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='67502' dateline='1424662784'2x AU53 and 2x AU55
(http://i57.tinypic.com/w8l5xi.jpg)
Very nice AJ. Rainy day specials I reckon.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='66810' dateline='1423652681'QuoteThey're not by definition specimen strikes. For a coin to be a proof or specimen, it must be labeled such by the issuing mint. The Wedding set coins are called Gem Uncirculated by the RAM which makes them Uncirculated business strikes (and thus an MS holder).
That being said PCGS will follow the market and the Aussie market often calls them specimen strikes,
PCGS MAY be considering this submission as SP as they normally call these coins "World Modern" but this time on my list of submissions they are listed as "Modern Issues"
We will find out in a few weeks when they have been graded and I will post the results here :ok:
NO results yet but they renamed the submission to "World Modern" Bugger :dash1:
I just got an email from PCGS informing me that I had to pay the extra $5 per coin for a world economy submission because the coins are pre 1965.
Apparently all pre 1965 coins have to be sent "Secure Plus" .
I reluctantly authorised the payment, One more crappy "Mechanical Error" image and I will be sending them a blast.
I don't see why I should HAVE to pay the extra for those crappy images if I really don't want them:dodgy:
Thoughts on these scans please as I can't take decent pic's to show the pretty coulours, picked it up at the markets yesterday for about $5.
(http://i61.tinypic.com/vse3oo.jpg)
(http://i57.tinypic.com/25sokz6.jpg)
very hard to tell from scans Mate.
If you think it is MS64 or better, then it is most certainaly a candidate Take a photo when the sun comes out :ok:
Not that these are any better (if anything worse LOL) and wish I didn't shake so much but here ya go mate :)
(http://i58.tinypic.com/5keo04.jpg)
(http://i62.tinypic.com/hv5sau.jpg)
Be nice if it gets MS65RB
Thanks Stevo but don' think it would go that high but then I'm still learning and anything is possible :good:
I liked the colours and actually liking the wood grain look more and more, didn't like them much at first but like a lot of things they tend to grow on you :)
Here is a MS64 on Numisbid for comparison AJ :ok:
http://www.numisbid.com.au/Browse/1958-Y_Penny_PCGS_MS64RB/15636
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='67884' dateline='1425243209'Thoughts on these scans please as I can't take decent pic's to show the pretty coulours, picked it up at the markets yesterday for about $5.
(http://i61.tinypic.com/vse3oo.jpg)
(http://i57.tinypic.com/25sokz6.jpg)
beautiful
honestly I am over all this MS talk
looks near unc, if not unc to me
WTF can't we continue to speak some Australian here?
Look at the title of this thread RG :)
That's why we are talking "Sheldon" grades :ok:
Sorry I was really after peoples thought on the coin and not so much grading so maybe I'll start a new thread next time just for opinions on coins as I don't wanna start any fights and especially between my mates :(
Thanks Jim I'll keep an eye on that link but grading is a bit pricey for me ATM but good to know and what people think :hi:
So all in all I think I did ok.
Some Shillings for your grading pleasure :)
ANDA or Sheldon grades , It really doesn't matter :)
1942s
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1942_shilling.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1942_shilling1.jpg)
1943s
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1943_shilling.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1943_shilling1.jpg)
1944s
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1944_shilling.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1944_shilling1.jpg)
Quote from: 'trout' pid='67904' dateline='1425259310'Look at the title of this thread RG :)
That's why we are talking "Sheldon" grades :ok:
point taken but it is now pervasive across most threads in this forum
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='67933' dateline='1425279418'Quote from: 'trout' pid='67904' dateline='1425259310'Look at the title of this thread RG :)
That's why we are talking "Sheldon" grades :ok:
point taken but it is now pervasive across most threads in this forum
:agreed:
But is it such a bad thing?
With the ANDA grades in Uncirculated there is only 4 grades
Uncirculated
Choice Uncirculated
Gem Uncirculated
FDC
With the Sheldon Grading system there are 10 different grades and that isn't counting the "+" grades.
Far more accurate and I would love to have a dollar for every time a coin is described as FDC that is actually a MS68 or 69 coin .
With the popularity of NGC and PCGS graded coins increasing within the Australian Market it make sense to describe coins using the Sheldon scale so that other collectors can make informed decisions as to what these numbers equate to as to the grade of a slabbed coin.
A couple of years ago I would have been "All OVER" this discussion and jumping up and down all over the place.
Numismatics is a "Fluid" thing and ideas and concepts change (Just like anything else) and most of us are scared of change and unwilling to learn a new concept.
I was TOTALLY anti Slobbing and hated the very idea of someone grading and Australian coin using an American system and made myself quit clear on that subject.
Then I settled down and had a good think about things :ok:
Slabbed coins take away the ability of shonky dealers selling cleaned, overgraded and sometimes fake coins and that is a GOOD thing.
If I buy a PCGS/NGC coin I am getting a guarantee (In Writing) that the coin is exactly what I paid for , another Good thing.
Once I got my head around how the Sheldon grades equate to an ANDA graded coin everything "Jelled" and I now have NO problem with either grading codes, The only problem is ALL PCGS and NGC coins are graded "Sheldon" So it is Paramount that Australian collectors can understand the way these grades match up.
I am like many Australians that think and speak in a different language, Except that I only speak English But grade Sheldon and ANDA :ok:
AJ and RG's pennies look lovely but I have a hard time grading from scanned images. They both look UNC and I bet the colour just POPs.
Trout your shillings look (in order), AU53, AU58 (with a poorly neutralized dip), and the last one looks cleaned. I see hairlines on the obverse.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='67938' dateline='1425283073'AJ and RG's pennies look lovely but I have a hard time grading from scanned images. They both look UNC and I bet the colour just POPs.
Trout your shillings look (in order), AU53, AU58 (with a poorly neutralized dip), and the last one looks cleaned. I see hairlines on the obverse.
Spot on Mate :yahoo:
I bought these a few years ago as "Uncirculated" and paid the going rate at the time :angel:
These and many others are the reason I much prefer to buy PCGS/NGC coins these days :p
well I will convert my guess at grading AJ's and I will say lightly touched off unc
and translate that to maybe a MS63 RB
but she might just nudge a MS64 RB
regardless AJ - it was a total bargain at $5 well done possum
Thanks team and yes RG I can't knock back a nice coin for a fiver :winkextra:
Spot on Mark I find it so hard to capture what I see and my pic's don't do my coins any justice, wish I could take nice pic's like your but have noticed you've had trouble with the likes of this http://www.thepurplepenny.com/1287,great-britain-1806-half-penny-1-2d-km-662-pcgs-pr64bn-proof.html
The colours are just so hard as they look different with just moving the camera half a millimetre. I love the colours on the above coin and think you did an excellent job capturing them :good:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='67945' dateline='1425287668'The colours are just so hard as they look different with just moving the camera half a millimetre. I love the colours on the above coin and think you did an excellent job capturing them :good:
That proof has mirror surfaces and they are almost impossible to capture in one image. Perth copper is a lot easier, you just need light. Lots, and lots, and lots of light. And when you think you have enough get more. If your coin isn't too hot to touch after being under the lights for a couple of minutes then you don't have enough light :)
I know this is a good coin but the question is how good ? MS64 ?
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/2000a~0.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/2000b~0.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/2000c.JPG)
WOW
A shoe in at MS64 I recon.
What a ripper of a coin , Well done Mate :yahoo:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='67982' dateline='1425343890'WOW
A shoe in at MS64 I recon.
What a ripper of a coin , Well done Mate :yahoo:
Thanks Jim all I can say is that this has been my holy grail for a couple
of years and my persistence has finally paid off
well done Stevo, beautiful coin mate. I'll go out on a limb and say MS65 and maybe, just maybe a 66 and hope it gets a 66 so be interesting to see , good stuff :good:
QuoteThanks Jim all I can say is that this has been my holy grail for a couple
of years and my persistence has finally paid off
Looks like you got past the Rabbit safe and sound with the prize Mate :laugh2:
Looks at least a ms65 to me maybe even a ms66 although I am far from an expert. It is a fantastic coin Stevo well done and congratulations!
I don't know what it'll grade at, but it's a beauty! :drooling: :drooling:
Another nice pickup on facebook tonight for under $40 delivered.I think everybody went to be early
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/20a.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/20b.jpg)
Well done Stevo, looks like it might be ex mint set :good: So another off to the plastic factory, now that should go MS66 easy ;)
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='68064' dateline='1425389394'Well done Stevo, looks like it might be ex mint set :good: So another off to the plastic factory, now that should go MS66 easy ;)
Thanks AJ yes it would be nice if I could keep my minimum standard of MS66 on these
Tell ya what mate, getting some awesome coins, keep them coming and don't forget to repatriate when possible :friends:
Finally have this one in my hot little hand and it may even
go MS65 or 66
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/2000a~2.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/2000b~1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/2000c.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/2000d.jpg)
:yahoo: EXCELLENT Steve, told ya so, finally I'm getting a little better at grading, just a little :winkextra:
Regardless of what this finally grades out at it is Most defiantly a "Contender".
I think we will ALL be collectively holding our breath until you get the grade back from PCGS.
AWSOME coin Mate , GOOD on you and well done.:yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='68225' dateline='1425543510':yahoo: EXCELLENT Steve, told ya so, finally I'm getting a little better at grading, just a little :winkextra:
Your're definitely getting better at the high grade stuff mate
Quote from: 'trout' pid='68226' dateline='1425546842'Regardless of what this finally grades out at it is Most defiantly a "Contender".
I think we will ALL be collectively holding our breath until you get the grade back from PCGS.
AWSOME coin Mate , GOOD on you and well done.:yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:
Thanks Jim I think I'd better get this one graded asap as I've been told that the MS67 and at least 1 x MS66 example on the population report are not incused but are standard coins from a mint set
Best of luck on an awesome coin. :yahoo:
Good luck on the nice coin.
A super nice incuse Stevo!!!
Do UNC 1971 20c pieces now come with a sticker that says (c) Stevo?
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='68313' dateline='1425629454'A super nice incuse Stevo!!!
Do UNC 1971 20c pieces now come with a sticker that says (c) Stevo?
Great idea Uni , maybe I could stamp my seal on all of my slabs and
have it read "The Stevo Collection"
Just got the results back from PCGS on the Wedding Set coins.
16x MS69
4x MS68
2x MS67
NO SP grades , Bugger :dash1:
I also sent a 2015 Proof Set in with this submission and the grades were Pleasing.
$2 PR68DC
$1 PR69DC
50c PR70DC
20c PR69DC
10c PR70DC
5c PR70DC
A Huge contrast to the Mint set I sent in:angel:
Gee I would have thought the wedding sets would have done better, 67 that's only just about a circulated coin so makes me wonder if it's worth sending for what it cost to grade :scratch_one-s_head: but well done on the others cobba :good:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='68359' dateline='1425683953'Gee I would have thought the wedding sets would have done better, 67 that's only just about a circulated coin so makes me wonder if it's worth sending for what it cost to grade :scratch_one-s_head: but well done on the others cobba :good:
A MS67-68 coin from a mint set or from a roll is a pretty tough grade to get in a circulation type coin.
If you look at PCGS population reports the Decimal coins from 2002-2009 are pretty much the only coins to get MS69 .
I would hazard to guess that the vast majority of high grade coins from 2002-2009 are in fact from Wedding sets and not from rolls or Mint sets :ok:
So if you want the best available coins from these years the Wedding sets are the best option by Far
Yes you do get some Sub standard coins in these sets, I have "Culled" many coins from these sets and they now reside with my Granddaughter and she loves them.
It isn't simply a matter of grabbing a wedding set and expect to get MS69 on every coin, this is far from the case and EVERY coin has to be graded prior to sending the submission away.
In this instance I got it wrong 6 times out of 22, Not a real good "Batting average" But I am getting better at it :angel:
yay 2015 pr70 50c :)
Quote from: 'Australian coin' pid='68367' dateline='1425688169'yay 2015 pr70 50c :)
These are the images of the coin before I sent it away.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/2015_50cp2~0.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/2015_50cp1.jpg)
NOICE one mate :good: BUBBLES BUBBLES BUBBLES :blink:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='68372' dateline='1425689681'NOICE one mate :good: BUBBLES BUBBLES BUBBLES :blink:
HeHe
122 bubbles on this Puppy :laugh2:
:kez_15: gee you counted them all, ya better than me mate I would of stopped at four or maybe five tops :)
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='68379' dateline='1425691035':kez_15: gee you counted them all, ya better than me mate I would of stopped at four or maybe five tops :)
20 is your limit Mate, After that you run out of fingers and toes :laugh2::)
The planchet flaw on the rims on this one, the 1916 Indian halfpenny mule for sale at the next Noble auction
http://www.noble.com.au/auctions/lot/?id=334076
is quite similar to the planchet flaw on the rims of the 1955 halfpenny that I have sent to Pcgs and was trying to describe a while ago. Any thoughts on whether coins with planchet flaws on the rims like these would grade at Pcgs or get body bagged would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers Dean.
Quote from: 'spraggdean23' pid='68383' dateline='1425691921'The planchet flaw on the rims on this one, the 1916 Indian halfpenny mule for sale at the next Noble auction
http://www.noble.com.au/auctions/lot/?id=334076
is quite similar to the planchet flaw on the rims of the 1955 halfpenny that I have sent to Pcgs and was trying to describe a while ago. Any thoughts on whether coins with planchet flaws on the rims like these would grade at Pcgs or get body bagged would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers Dean.
Here is one, Quite a large planchet flaw at 2 o'clock :ok:
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29288632.html
Here's one with the same problem a 11 oclock on the obverse and PCGS
didn't have a problem with it
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/31353944/
Quote from: 'trout' pid='68382' dateline='1425691577'Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='68379' dateline='1425691035':kez_15: gee you counted them all, ya better than me mate I would of stopped at four or maybe five tops :)
20 is your limit Mate, After that you run out of fingers and toes :laugh2::)
Only women count to 20, men have the extra digit to count to 21:angel:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='68382' dateline='1425691577'Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='68379' dateline='1425691035':kez_15: gee you counted them all, ya better than me mate I would of stopped at four or maybe five tops :)
20 is your limit Mate, After that you run out of fingers and toes :laugh2::)
:dodgy: oh your a cunny funt but I can actually go to 21, ya forgot me stalk :laugh2: Thanks Neal :friends:
Quote from: 'spraggdean23' pid='68383' dateline='1425691921'The planchet flaw on the rims on this one, the 1916 Indian halfpenny mule for sale at the next Noble auction
http://www.noble.com.au/auctions/lot/?id=334076
is quite similar to the planchet flaw on the rims of the 1955 halfpenny that I have sent to Pcgs and was trying to describe a while ago. Any thoughts on whether coins with planchet flaws on the rims like these would grade at Pcgs or get body bagged would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers Dean.
Maybe someone can answer this. With reference to the rim flaws on the 1916 Mule halfpenny, are they the result of a very finely clipped planchet? And if so, would this unique marker add value to an already extremely rare coin?
Heh, no need. Went back to the description to find it is already described as a pinched planchet :lazy2: I worry about myself at times :dodgy:
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='68502' dateline='1425781135'Maybe someone can answer this. With reference to the rim flaws on the 1916 Mule halfpenny, are they the result of a very finely clipped planchet? And if so, would this unique marker add value to an already extremely rare coin?
I don't think it makes too much difference at all. And yes, it does look like a clip doesn't it!
I just got the true view pics on a recent grading. they do take better pics than me
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/TrueView_31872035_ExtraLarge.jpg)
Trips me out how much different a coin can look, same coin and pcgs pic/scan
(http://i61.tinypic.com/w9hguq.jpg)
Sure is different. This coin looks great in hand and I am surprised they got all the colours the way they did.
Quote from: 'serial' pid='68892' dateline='1426216053'I just got the true view pics on a recent grading. they do take better pics than me
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/TrueView_31872035_ExtraLarge.jpg)
Those are absolutely great images by PCGS. This is the type of photography I am currently attempting to reproduce for Pre-Decimal and later coins however in terms of Ancients there is another format which suits them much better due to the styling differences. That Canberra Florin however should be worth a premium in the marketplace compared to a typical MS64 due to the attractive toning.
Suss Marks comments on photograph OMF, he does a really good job and from what I can work out it's all about the lighting..more lights then more light and then a few more just for good measure :) I'm hopeless so not even going to attempt it but hope you get it all worked out :good:
That is one of the reasons I chose for this coin to be true viewed. The coin is a perfect example of attractive toning vs ugly toning
Some pretty colours on these
http://www.pcgs.com/pop/valueview.aspx?s=17936
A couple of results back with these the standouts and a good
score with the 1971 coin being top of the pops
31875127 2000 50C Millennium Incuse Flag AU58
31875128 1971 50C MS67
:yahoo: He shoots, he scores, bloody well done Stevo :good:
I got the grades from the seven coins I sent to pcgs at the end of February yesterday. This one is the highlight.
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/31835224.html
I am going to try and keep it and sell some of the others including the 1942-d 3d from the benchmark collection.
Quote from: 'spraggdean23' pid='69429' dateline='1426914975'I got the grades from the seven coins I sent to pcgs at the end of February yesterday. This one is the highlight.
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/31835224.html
I am going to try and keep it and sell some of the others including the 1942-d 3d from the benchmark collection.
What are you looking at selling the 42D threepence for?
I am going to send it to Walter to be sold at auction at Numisbid. I really need the most I can get for it at the moment cause I have depression and am resigning from my supermarket job in a few weeks which is most probably the primary cause of that depression.
Quote from: 'spraggdean23' pid='69437' dateline='1426918681'I am going to send it to Walter to be sold at auction at Numisbid. I really need the most I can get for it at the moment cause I have depression and am resigning from my supermarket job in a few weeks which is most probably the primary cause of that depression.
Cheer up.
Be happy.
You have some nice coins.
If you think you'll get more through Walter then you should do so.
Cheers buddy!
Quote from: 'spraggdean23' pid='69443' dateline='1426920660'Cheers buddy!
It may be best to start it at the minimum price you would be happy to accept for it.
Quote from: 'spraggdean23' pid='69437' dateline='1426918681'I am going to send it to Walter to be sold at auction at Numisbid. I really need the most I can get for it at the moment cause I have depression and am resigning from my supermarket job in a few weeks which is most probably the primary cause of that depression.
I understand that
I took five weeks off work late last year
didn't feel down for NOT one single day the whole time
got back to work and within 2 days - back on the merry go round
Yeah Robbie, I think that being in the same place day in and day out definately starts to wear a person down. Even though I am only working two days a week I have had this job at the same supermarket for fifteen years and it has definately worn me down!
true
I am in my 16th year with this job but I have worked in various roles and based from 8 different locations across the services, during this time so at least I get environmental changes which does make a difference - even having to drive to work a new way makes a difference
sounds like you need a change
if you can afford it - take a break then start looking around for something different
oh dear off topics - think we'll be evicted!! ha ha
Sorry to barge in.... but what grade do you think this 1910 florin is?
(http://www.noble.com.au//site/img/dyn/sales/s108/large/0981a.jpg)
(http://www.noble.com.au//site/img/dyn/sales/s108/large/0981b.jpg)
Looks like about AU53 - AU55 in my opinion
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='69462' dateline='1426977814'true
I am in my 16th year with this job but I have worked in various roles and based from 8 different locations across the services, during this time so at least I get environmental changes which does make a difference - even having to drive to work a new way makes a difference
sounds like you need a change
if you can afford it - take a break then start looking around for something different
oh dear off topics - think we'll be evicted!! ha ha
Nice coin spraggdean23.
I really admire you and RG's staying power. Longest job I ever had was 6 years. That was waaaaay too long for me. A change of environment is always good. My current job is 3 years - feel like it's too long already.
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='69590' dateline='1427167885'Looks like about AU53 - AU55 in my opinion
Would you believe it graded MS63 by PCGS?!? :shock:
http://www.noble.com.au/auctions/lot?id=333889
Looks like a lot of wear in places.
You shouldn't second-guess the PCGS grade on images alone. At least two graders have seen the coin in the flesh and independently arrived at that grade. We, however, have only seen the images. It's not reasonable to expect us to grade the coins through an image more accurately than two professionals have by seeing the coin in the flesh.
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='69590' dateline='1427167885'Looks like about AU53 - AU55 in my opinion
I disagree, I'd say ms62-63. Think that maybe you are considering strike weakness on the reverse as wear from circulation.
Quote from: 'kchan1111' pid='69591' dateline='1427167891'Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='69462' dateline='1426977814'true
I am in my 16th year with this job but I have worked in various roles and based from 8 different locations across the services, during this time so at least I get environmental changes which does make a difference - even having to drive to work a new way makes a difference
sounds like you need a change
if you can afford it - take a break then start looking around for something different
oh dear off topics - think we'll be evicted!! ha ha
Nice coin spraggdean23.
I really admire you and RG's staying power. Longest job I ever had was 6 years. That was waaaaay too long for me. A change of environment is always good. My current job is 3 years - feel like it's too long already.
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='69590' dateline='1427167885'Looks like about AU53 - AU55 in my opinion
Would you believe it graded MS63 by PCGS?!? :shock:
http://www.noble.com.au/auctions/lot?id=333889
Looks like a lot of wear in places.
Yikes it is a very weak obverse strike that looks like heavy wear in places and not easy to grade from the photos especially when comparing it to this one http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/31343962/
Quote from: 'kchan1111' pid='69591' dateline='1427167891'Nice coin spraggdean23.
I really admire you and RG's staying power. Longest job I ever had was 6 years. That was waaaaay too long for me. A change of environment is always good. My current job is 3 years - feel like it's too long already.
I admire someone who can take risks and change jobs/employers
I always feel too nervous to change employers - a sort of security
maybe if I was more comfortable i'd take the plunge ... gotta get the house paid off first!
ps - that florin is darn nice - must be worth a packet
http://www.noble.com.au/auctions/lot?id=333889
I had no problem with the MS63 grade when I viewed it last Wednesday. It has relatively little chatter in the fields, strike is weak even for a 1910 florin (which are almost always a little weak), eye appeal was OK. Just an unc.
It sold for over $2K tonight, which is an unc price.
Quote from: 'drakesterling' pid='69593' dateline='1427169714'You shouldn't second-guess the PCGS grade on images alone. At least two graders have seen the coin in the flesh and independently arrived at that grade. We, however, have only seen the images. It's not reasonable to expect us to grade the coins through an image more accurately than two professionals have by seeing the coin in the flesh.
I actually went to viewing at Noble. It didn't look like it was a MS63 on the obverse in the flesh either - at least to me. Now... obviously the chances are I am wrong and PCGS is justified in giving it a MS63. So I just want to find out why - what they are seeing that I am not.
How do you distinguish a weak strike from wear? Another question is... what happens when the condition on one side differs a lot from the other.
1. First, don't look at the high spots as they are the most likely to be affected by a weak strike. I place my thumb (without touching the coin of course) so that it cover the high point. This is quite easy for Australian George V, Vi and QEII coins.
2. Check for a drop of intensity of the lustre between the fields and the lettering (the lettering protects the surface of the coin in that region). If the lustre appears to flow out from the lettering to the fields, then the coin is unc. If there is a definite dividing line at the base of the lettering then the coin is definitely not unc. (This works best for silver coins). There will of course be borderline cases.
Do this for both sides. It is common for Australian coins to show wear on one side (due to a lower rim affording less protection to the coin) and not the other side.
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='69619' dateline='1427191723'I admire someone who can take risks and change jobs/employers
I always feel too nervous to change employers - a sort of security
maybe if I was more comfortable i'd take the plunge ... gotta get the house paid off first!
Changing job is quite common for my industry. I once work for a start-up for only 4 weeks and then got retrenched because they ran out of cash. They paid me 4 weeks of redundancy pay! Those morons deserves to go broke.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='69626' dateline='1427196612'1. First, don't look at the high spots as they are the most likely to be affected by a weak strike. I place my thumb (without touching the coin of course) so that it cover the high point. This is quite easy for Australian George V, Vi and QEII coins.
2. Check for a drop of intensity of the lustre between the fields and the lettering (the lettering protects the surface of the coin in that region). If the lustre appears to flow out from the lettering to the fields, then the coin is unc. If there is a definite dividing line at the base of the lettering then the coin is definitely not unc. (This works best for silver coins). There will of course be borderline cases.
Do this for both sides. It is common for Australian coins to show wear on one side (due to a lower rim affording less protection to the coin) and not the other side.
Ah I gotcha. Thanks emu. The change in lustre makes sense. Will keep that in mind.
Well khan you might call them morons but it is good to know that there are some companies around with a sense of social responsibility. Many big companies do not show any care for their employees.they just transform the business and wipe their hands of the sacked employees while banking enormous profits
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='69636' dateline='1427255831'Well khan you might call them morons but it is good to know that there are some companies around with a sense of social responsibility. Many big companies do not show any care for their employees.they just transform the business and wipe their hands of the sacked employees while banking enormous profits
Well... yes and no. They should have known the company only has the funding to last for a month or so, that extra funding is not a sure thing. People who have left their old jobs to join them are out of a job. If the extra funding comes through I win, if it doesn't the new guy lose. Stuff him!
But you are right - moron is not the right word.
cheers - I think I get it
just noticed the comment that is all
I am always fully responsible and if I offer a temporary contract I inform the incoming staff member that is all it is - no promises of extension - permanent positions are different and the employer should know their salaries budget and funding projections before making such offers.
WTF
PCGS "Insisted" that I had to pay the extra $5 per coin for the "Secure" images instead of not taking that option and saving $5 per coin on the submissions and this is the quality I got for the extra $5 .
This is Beyond ridicules :dash1:
Arsholes :dodgy:
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/31865823.html
What in the hell is that? Surely not a top secret micro dot (do they still dabble in these) pic of the inner workings of the space station?
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='70244' dateline='1428322356'What in the hell is that? Surely not a top secret micro dot (do they still dabble in these) pic of the inner workings of the space station?
This sort of thing is the very reason I stopped getting the "Secure" option in the first place.
PCGS calls it "Mechanical damage", I call it for what it is "A Stuff Up" .
This happens far to frequently lately.
I haven't had the time yet to go through every coin in the submissions to check if the images are any good yet But I would safely bet a Penny to a Pound that this isn't an isolated instance.
it is a serious consumer issue Trout
so they dig the coin out before they post and take another snap or are you stuck with that image as a reference photo?
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='70254' dateline='1428360525'it is a serious consumer issue Trout
so they dig the coin out before they post and take another snap or are you stuck with that image as a reference photo?
They take a photo of a large area including the coin and their software crops the coin (or in many cases a circle looking area far away from the coin).
As the coin is in the original photo they don't need to retake it to fix the image but it would be nice if they could proactively check instead of waiting for the consumer to complain.
I have just about given up complaining about this to PCGS as it happens just about every time I send a submission with the "Secure" option.
The trouble is that when I go to sell a coin that has this problem the potential buyer looks up the cert number and sees this crap and walks away :dash1:
that's why I far prefer to NOT have the crappy images in the first place :ok:
Over the last year alone I have sent nearly 500 coins away to be graded, It may only be a small amount by other peoples standards but it is still quite a chunk of change spent for me and I expect a better standard of service with the Q and A from this company.
I have a couple of nice banknotes that I want to have graded.
Can I submit them along with coins when I send a submission to PCGS?
I have sent many Wedding set coins into PCGS and I have asked for a SP designation for these coins but they always come back MS.
These coins are by far Superior to the Circulation strike coins found in Mint sets and from the Bank.
The Far superior strike and blinding lustre that the Wedding set coins display sets them apart from the business strike coins as far as I am concerned.
I will keep "Nagging" PCGS and maybe eventually I will get these recognised as SP coins.
Here are some images of a 2004 Wedding set, I doubt very much that you would get coins of this quality from a Mint set or from Circulation.
These are extremely difficult for me to get a good image of because of the intensely lustrous finish.
Have a look at the quality of the strike and the beautiful fields on these coins, Nothing like a Mint Set coin at all.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/04_wedding_set__2dollar1~0.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/04_wedding_set__2dollar~0.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/04_wedding_set__1dollar.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/04_wedding_set__1dollar1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/04_wedding_set_50c~0.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/04_wedding_set_50c1~0.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/04_wedding_set_20c~0.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/04_wedding_set_20c1~0.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/04_wedding_set_10c~0.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/04_wedding_set_10c1~0.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/04_wedding_set_5c~0.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/04_wedding_set_5c1~0.jpg)
Very nice
Here is a 2004 Mint Set coin as a comparison.
Chalk and Cheese really:angel:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/04_mint_set_50c.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/04_mint_set_50c1.jpg)
Yeah I agree trout the wedding sets just blow a mint set out of the water.
Does anyone else have a problem having to pay the extra $5 per coin for the "Secure Plus" imaging at PCGS ?
A large percentage of these images are either Crap or simply are not there (Mechanical Error) :dodgy:
with a Modern submission you can opt out of these But anything before 1965 you HAVE to pay the extra $5 per coin for this IMHO Shoddy service.
I have just had to shell out an extra $170 USD, Which works out to be over $200 Just to ensure that my coins will be graded in a particular submission :dash1:
I have totally given up emailing PCGS to rectify these images because it happens all too often and I would much prefer NOT to have to pay extra for an unwanted and second rate service.
End of Rant...........
I feel SOOOOO much better now :):):)
Quote from: 'trout' pid='71113' dateline='1429739483'Does anyone else have a problem having to pay the extra $5 per coin for the "Secure Plus" imaging at PCGS ?
A large percentage of these images are either Crap or simply are not there (Mechanical Error) :dodgy:
with a Modern submission you can opt out of these But anything before 1965 you HAVE to pay the extra $5 per coin for this IMHO Shoddy service.
I have just had to shell out an extra $170 USD, Which works out to be over $200 Just to ensure that my coins will be graded in a particular submission :dash1:
I have totally given up emailing PCGS to rectify these images because it happens all too often and I would much prefer NOT to have to pay extra for an unwanted and second rate service.
End of Rant...........
I feel SOOOOO much better now :):):)
---------------------- NO ------------------------
They are their rules and there are good reasons for those rules.
These are related to Chinese fake coins in fake PCGS slabs - this is a serious problem.
If you don't like it, don't use their service.
QuoteThey are their rules and there are good reasons for those rules.
These are related to Chinese fake coins in fake PCGS slabs - this is a serious problem.
If you don't like it, don't use their service.
I have NO problem with the grading and handling provided by PCGS at all, Its the secure imaging that I have a problem with.
This is why I don't "Rate" this service.
This is only a few of the stuff ups :ok:
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/31865823.html
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/31865824.html
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/31865825.html
http://www.pcgs.com/SetRegistry/coinfacts.aspx?i=1956940&sid=126139
The image of pre '65 coins online makes it harder to flog fake coins/sub standard coins in fake slabs. Emu is right.
QuoteThe image of pre '65 coins online makes it harder to flog fake coins/sub standard coins in fake slabs. Emu is right.
I do agree with that but if there is NO image or only a part of it WTF am I paying an extra $5 for :angel:
PCGS are charging an extra 20% for this service so I expect them to do the Q&A and get it Right in the first place without having to dicker about emailing and rectifying the problem :ok:
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Hey Guys,
Anyone brave enough to guess the grade for this coin based on PCGS image :winkextra:
I'll give it a crack MS63
Quote from: 'trout' pid='71358' dateline='1430033555'I'll give it a crack MS63
Hahaha... I thought you will have a go mate.. Lets get the others to have a try as well...I will post the correct grade tomorrow :idea:
I think MS62+ personally but a MS63 wouldn't be out of the question
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='71355' dateline='1430032966'Hey Guys,
Anyone brave enough to guess the grade for this coin based on PCGS image :winkextra:
I would say ms61
Keep them coming guys... I will tell you the story and grade latest tomorrow. .. if not earlier.
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='71359' dateline='1430033693'Quote from: 'trout' pid='71358' dateline='1430033555'I'll give it a crack MS63
Hahaha... I thought you will have a go mate.. Lets get the others to have a try as well...I will post the correct grade tomorrow :idea:
HeHe
I was at the back of the line when they were handing Fear out, I missed out on my full quota :angel:
The band on the crown has me a bit concerned But It doesn't look like wear on my screen.
Far better than any example I have in my collection.
Nice coin Mate :yahoo:
Thanks Trout, it's a good looking coin... Rest of the story.... To be continued....
I'll say it's MS64
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='71370' dateline='1430036696'I'll say it's MS64
Cheers Stevo, as a man with great capability grading coins from an image let's see how close you got to this little baby ...:yahoo:
its au58
nit a silvers guru but I would think it is in the choice uncirculated and I'd be suggesting either ms 64 + or ms 65
it has proof like fields to me and there is a bit of cabinet friction on the obverse but overall beautifully struck coin (to me)
Excellent work guys...
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='71375' dateline='1430039369'its au58
Why do you think it's an AU58 ? Very interested to know..
Thanks echidna !
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='71375' dateline='1430039369'its au58
That was my first thought as well, too much wear on the obverse high points for an MS holder. That being said PCGS often allows coins with slight wear into MS holders when the surfaces are good enough, the reverse surfaces certainly are.
I am NOT certain here But I am thinking you have done the PCGS restoration here with this coin (PVC Damage) , I'm sticking with my MS63 regardless :ok:
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='71377' dateline='1430040102'Excellent work guys...
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='71375' dateline='1430039369'its au58
Why do you think it's an AU58 ? Very interested to know..
Thanks echidna !
Reverse is UNC.
But too much chatter on the obverse for MS.
Eye appeal is strong therefore they will grade it 58.
Excellent call there Echidna ... It's an AU58... Crossed over form a NGC MS62...
Thanks for the feedback !
I am not happy with the result... However that's what it is ...
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='71384' dateline='1430044713'Excellent call there Echidna ... It's an AU58... Crossed over form a NGC MS62...
Thanks for the feedback !
I am not happy with the result... However that's what it is ...
Bugger Trouty stuffs up again :dash1:
However I would buy that coin from you for "Bluesheet" prices at AU58 in a Heartbeat :)
Great looking Coin Mate.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='71385' dateline='1430045569'Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='71384' dateline='1430044713'Excellent call there Echidna ... It's an AU58... Crossed over form a NGC MS62...
Thanks for the feedback !
I am not happy with the result... However that's what it is ...
Bugger Trouty stuffs up again :dash1:
However I would buy that coin from you for "Bluesheet" prices at AU58 in a Heartbeat :)
Great looking Coin Mate.
Hahaha... Moral of the story is unless you are 110% sure you have to be carful buying coins off an image on the net :wavemulticolor:
I think 58 is a bit harsh, I looked at a few others to come to 61, that is usually in line with an ngc 62
maybe someone was having a bad day
Quote from: 'serial' pid='71388' dateline='1430048167'I think 58 is a bit harsh, I looked at a few others to come to 61, that is usually in line with an ngc 62
maybe someone was having a bad day
I agree with that ... i thought MS61 was in order. .. but now I have to live with what I have ...
I think it looks far nicer than a 58
but there ya go
That way Fun Ausproofs.
Here is another PCGS image for you guys to have some fun with.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/71_20c.jpg)
MS66 would probably pull this one up
UNC - PVC damaged or cleaned
preddy
I am too scared to comment as I was way way out of that florin!! ha ha
but it looks close to GEM to me
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='71415' dateline='1430098112'UNC - PVC damaged or cleaned
you don't get an image if the coin is "Boddybagged" :)
I'll say MS66 or MS65.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='71431' dateline='1430117960'Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='71415' dateline='1430098112'UNC - PVC damaged or cleaned
you don't get an image if the coin is "Boddybagged" :)
Hahaha.. tried to be different. ..
Okay I will go MS 67...:yahoo:
Disclaimer. . I am very bad at grading coins..
ms 64
This is the coin, Well done Mark :good:
The secure images are pretty much crap to grade from.
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/31865838.html
is aussie GEM close to MS66?
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='71455' dateline='1430130719'is aussie GEM close to MS66?
Personally I rate GEM as MS65 tho some particularly nice MS64s would also qualify for it too.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='71454' dateline='1430130069'This is the coin, Well done Mark :good:
The secure images are pretty much crap to grade from.
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/31865838.html
I managed to pick the grade as well after studying quite a few
1971 20 cent coins over the last year
Result is in at MS64 PCGS #32177018 Used trueview on this
but hasn't been uploaded yet and I'd say the mark on the flag
held it back a bit but still a great result
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='68221' dateline='1425542059'Finally have this one in my hot little hand and it may even
go MS65 or 66
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/2000a~2.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/2000b~1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/2000c.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/2000d.jpg)
fantastic result mate.
:wavemulticolor:
Some interesting coins in this submission .
https://www.pcgs.com/Membership/sharedorder.aspx?OrderNo=20918097
Nice grade Stevo I was going to say how well you have been doing lately but Eric has pipped you there after this coin went up
http://www.drakesterling.com/coins-for-sale/products/1915-london-shilling
Yes a bit of a let down and think you were robbed Stevo but still an ok result mate :good:
would like to hear thoughts on the following
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/P5180318.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/P5180316.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/P5180314.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/P5180312.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/P5180309.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/P5180307.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/P5180305.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/P5180303.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/P5180292.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/P5180291.JPG)
some nice die cracks on a few coins there and nice coins but I think they might be a little too scratched up to get really high grades sorry but then I'm quite often wrong :)
to be honest I just want to break 60 on them
Quote from: 'serial' pid='72591' dateline='1431934034'to be honest I just want to break 60 on them
They all look a bit circulated and some also looked cleaned. The '38 crown isn't too bad (aUnc?) but I can't be sure it hasn't got surface hairlines.
A Canberra florin really needs to be MS63 to be worth slabbing as even in PCGS MS64 slabs they go for $100-200 and 63s go for $50-100.
a couple 50 cent coins
these are so hard to find not toned
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1966_50c1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1966_50c.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/2000_50c1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/2000_50c.jpg)
:drooling: I'll swap ya them as well cobba :laugh2:
Quotewould like to hear thoughts on the following
Canberra Florin AU50
1927 coa Florin AU50
1914 Shilling EF45
1926 3d VF20
1938 Crown AU/UNC Details (92) cleaned
The 1927 coa is a rather nice coin with the die crack going through "Florin"
The 1938 Crowns are known to have soft strikes and it is a shame that this coin has been "wiped" which is evident by the hairlines on the reverse.
It is still a nice coin but would come back details from pcgs.
After sending quite a few of the 1970 Captain Cook specimen coins (the ones in the red plastic boxes) to PCGS I have "Finally" managed to get some graded SP at last :yahoo:
Getting the SP recognition on the wedding set coins is still a work in progress.
First three AU55
1926 3d AU53
1938 5/- AU Details cleaned
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='72647' dateline='1432001144'First three AU55
1926 3d AU53
1938 5/- AU Details cleaned
You would be more accurate than me Walter
No wonder I get nice surprises when my submissions get graded :yahoo:
Just put together a 45 coin submission, what a pain in the bum writing out the stickers and putting them on one handed.
It took me a couple of hours.
I sent a 2004 Wedding set away with this lot, It will be interesting to see if they give them an SP grade as I have requested (again :dash1: )
Anybody want to guess the grade of this before it goes over?
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/18a.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/18b.JPG)
64 but might scrape a 65 but then it could be friday arvo and they're feeling generous :drinks:
Are those your pic's Stevo :scratch_one-s_head:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='72761' dateline='1432162985'64 but might scrape a 65 but then it could be friday arvo and they're feeling generous :drinks:
Are those your pic's Stevo :scratch_one-s_head:
Not my photos AJ.The coin is in transit to me
I'll hold my judgement until I see your pic's :)
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='72764' dateline='1432165175'I'll hold my judgement until I see your pic's :)
I agree purely from the photos it looks nice tho
Recent results from NGC to PCGS crossover .I cracked these out and sent them over raw rather than sending them over in the NGC slabs
1913 halfpenny NGC MS63BN #3419788-018 - PCGS MS64BN #32030165
1910 threepence NGC MS65 #3419788-005 - PCGS MS64 #32030168
Not a bad result suppose
nice results Mate :good:
We finally have images
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/32177018
Nice :drooling:
AWSOME :yahoo:
Those are beautiful stevo. P.s While we are on the PCGS thread everyone go and checkout the Shillings Walter has on Numisbid Finest knowns from #1 set registry The M are being sold unfortunately they are far to rich for me :/
whilst o/seas got my results back for crossovers ngc to pcgs (naturally!!) but had to wait till i got back to check what grade was sent (memory issue)
26 coins submitted (22 x pre decimal proofs)
22 crossed ssame grade
1 x up 1 point to 66rd
1 x down 1 point to 65rd
1 x dwn 2 points to 64rb
1x dnc - proclamation shilling-bugger !!
gotta be happy with that :yahoo::D
Just been looking at graded coins to expand the knowledge and think there are a few consistency issues. This coin has a really weak strike and looks like it has minor wear. Going off the grading chart the strike may not be full but to be ms60 or above the coin may not have wear. Looks worse than other similar coins of that grade. Anyone agree?
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Slabbed-1962y-Australian-Penny-PCGS-MS63RB-/331563860950?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item4d32bf03d6
This one seems similar, Can a weak strike leave an absence of that much detail? looks like wear on the head as cant really see details of the crown/leaves area.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1963-Y-Australian-Penny-PCGS-MS63BN-Choice-Uncirculated-Graded-Coin-/291477189050?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item43dd64f1ba
I just trying to learn a bit more and opinions and thoughts on coin 1 and 2 would be very helpful, Thanks
Sorry but I'm like you OCC and still learning but I wonder if that second link is rotated/up set or just turned the slab around :scratch_one-s_head:
re the 1962 & 63
the 62 is just worn out /filling dies and is a fairly common occurrence in the 62 issue
the 63 has dreaded 'Verdigris' spots and makes it a 5c coin (to me)
I can't for the life of my understand why anyone would send over coins like them
they are such common years and can be found easily in better overall condition
PCGS look at surface wear post mintage I think that the strike is considered in the numbers but even if it is ugly unc - to them it is unc
and they are very kind and will slabb even the plainest of coins, which is nice
I picked this up in Perth, what you mob think it will grade at PCGS ?
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1916_florin1jpg.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1916_florin.jpg)
maybe 64..yep I'm harsh :)
Bloody nice coin :good:
Nice coin Trout, alright with my 24 hours of study. Judging by the strike detail, rims and eye appeal the coin may be the 3rd to get the MS64+ grading. It could even go 65 but think that would come down to how good the fields are? (hard to tell by the photo) But its a real nice coin for sure
that would come down to how good the fields are? (hard to tell by the photo)
Are these images any better?
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1916_florin3.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1916_florin2.jpg)
still looks a little bit chatty sorry so I'll stick with my 64 for now :)
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='73460' dateline='1433025792'still looks a little bit chatty sorry so I'll stick with my 64 for now :)
I'll be happy with a 64 :good:
Maybe too many hairlines on the obverse for 64 but you never know.How much did it set you back?
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='73467' dateline='1433027199'Maybe too many hairlines on the obverse for 64 but you never know.How much did it set you back?
I paid $1850 for this coin :angel:
Do I see a Rev Die Crack starting below the I then through the Emu's tail to the bottom of the G?
It's a lovely coin, to be shure! :yahoo:
Quote from: 'Nevol' pid='73474' dateline='1433028530'Do I see a Rev Die Crack starting below the I then through the Emu's tail to the bottom of the G?
It's a lovely coin, to be shure! :yahoo:
Yes
It's only small but it is definitely a die crack :ok:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1916_florin4.jpg)
good strike, but the kings band has wear
and the end of the moustache has a bit too much wear
1916 florins can have a weak strike which will sometimes show on the band in the
crown and other areas so I'll be interested to see how it grades
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='73491' dateline='1433039584'1916 florins can have a weak strike which will sometimes show on the band in the
crown and other areas so I'll be interested to see how it grades
We will find out in a month or so Mate :ok:
Yes we will indeed :winkextra: do I get a prize for gettin it right :blush2:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='73460' dateline='1433025792'still looks a little bit chatty sorry so I'll stick with my 64 for now :)
I agree about the surface stopping it being above 64. Might not even make 64 based on the obverse fields. Still nice florin with lots of natural lustre.
This should go gF, it looks like it still has some remaining lustre on the reverse.
sellers pic's
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1933_shilling1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1933_shilling.jpg)
Yeah that angle shows the light on the fields better. Ill stick to 64, the coin has great eye appeal, And to me id rather have a great looking coin rather than a higher graded coin without the eye appeal. Make sure to let us know when you get the results. I think you have done well.
How do you guys package up your coins to send to PCGS ?
I have tried all sorts of ways involving boxes, tissue paper, saflips and bubble wrap.
On my latest submissions I put the coins into saflips, labelled them and put the saflip into a PP album page.
I then folded the pages and sticky taped them together and put the whole shebang in a padded envelope.
This way all the coins are in sequence eg line 1,2,3 etc and will make it easier at the other end to sort out the coins for grading.
There is also NO way that the coins can move about during transit this way :good:
A bit more user friendly than having the coins mixed up in a box full of padding :)
Ah so that's how I send them, I pack them pretty well by the sounds :)
Not a common occurence for an NGC coin to be upgraded from MS63 to MS64.On this occasion I cracked the coin out before sending it over.I wonder how PCGS would have graded it if I had sent it over in the NGC slab
http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/index.aspx?CertNumber=3419788-018
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/%2032030165
Nicely done Mate.
:wavemulticolor:
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='73801' dateline='1433382490'Not a common occurence for an NGC coin to be upgraded from MS63 to MS64.On this occasion I cracked the coin out before sending it over.I wonder how PCGS would have graded it if I had sent it over in the NGC slab
http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/index.aspx?CertNumber=3419788-018
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/%2032030165
nice
they say that medical specialists are influenced by the referring doctors' pt history information when they make a diagnosis on radiology xrays, scans etc
it has been proven to be of significant risk (hence a second opinion is always a safe bet)
so i'd see no reason why a pcgs assessor would not be influenced by a couple of factors
1. that it is ngc a competitor
2. that pcgs would perhaps always have a point to prove that their grading is 'stricter'
humans can never be 100% objective - It is not possible
anyways, darn nice halfpenny there Steveo
Nice half penny. Does it have the provenance on the pcgs holder?
Quote from: 'oh my florin' pid='73805' dateline='1433384333'Nice half penny. Does it have the provenance on the pcgs holder?
It doesn't have the provenance on the new holder OMF but I was more
interested in a possible upgrade so had to choose between upgrade
or provenance as I doubt it would have made 64 if sent over in the NGC
slab
That's a shame maybe I have spent to long in ancients with the provenances lol :P Regardless it is a good trade off in terms of pre decimals :D
Quote from: 'oh my florin' pid='73805' dateline='1433384333'Nice half penny. Does it have the provenance on the pcgs holder?
I don't think provenance is an issue if a coin is in a PCGS slab because the coin is "authenticated" as well as graded :ok:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='73888' dateline='1433452029'Quote from: 'oh my florin' pid='73805' dateline='1433384333'Nice half penny. Does it have the provenance on the pcgs holder?
I don't think provenance is an issue if a coin is in a PCGS slab because the coin is "authenticated" as well as graded :ok:
Yeah I have spent to long in ancients there provenances are preferred and if it has a particular provenance e.g. displayed in a reference book or museum then it will attract a massive premium.
True people sometimes try to collect a particular collection but pcgs etc do slab the odd private collection and but those collections may not be of any numismatic significance.
finally got my 1910 florin!
how do you think it will do?
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/P6070295.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/P6070296.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/P6070302.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/P6070303.JPG)
I am a bit worried that this scuff on his beard with drop it to au
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/P6070306.JPG)
The actual coin may look a lot better "in hand", but from them images I would call this one at AU55-58.
It looks like wear on the obverse to me, Still a great looking coin with lots of residual lustre
I'm with trout and think it might be just a little too scuffed up to get MS but still a nice worthy coin :good:
I would agree that the coin is in the AU range but the marks are just too much for me to put it into the AU55-58 range. My personal preference would be AU50-53 due to the extent of the marks. Nevertheless a very attractive coin.
p.s. I may just be harder on it because of the extent of the marks?
any coin with that age [105 years ] deserves the best ,
congratulations serial .
Split grade for me. gEF/aU
Yeah agree auto as it does look better on the reverse rather than the obverse.
would you reconsider that grade when you look at this?
http://www.australian-coins.net/showthread.php?tid=3274&pid=64060&highlight=1910+florin
Hi AJ, do you know if the TPG's do split grades? Me being in the raw so to speak, I'm not familiar with how they operate :biggrin::biggrin::laugh2:
That's the problem with this coin series. Being a 1 year only it has been hard for me to understand how they grade them. Been looking at them a while now and was willing to roll the dice on this one raw. The alternative was to outlay $1k+ for one slabbed.
And as usual it looks much better in hand with full cartwheel except in a few small spots in the fields. I will send of soon and let you all know how it goes
Quote from: 'serial' pid='74062' dateline='1433671375'would you reconsider that grade when you look at this?
http://www.australian-coins.net/showthread.php?tid=3274&pid=64060&highlight=1910+florin
I hope you do well with it but they tend to like toning so it will be interesting to see how yours comes back, good luck and hope it reaches the MS :good:
I'm still trying to work pcgs out :scratch_one-s_head: just look at Eric's site at the last two 20 cents he listed http://www.drakesterling.com/coins-for-sale to me looking at them the 2015 should be a higher grade that the 2004 but both got MS67 so you just never know and I think the same with some of the slabs I have here and wonder what I'm missing, one day I hope to work it out :dodgy:
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='74066' dateline='1433671580'Hi AJ, do you know if the TPG's do split grades? Me being in the raw so to speak, I'm not familiar with how they operate :biggrin::biggrin::laugh2:
:swoon: lordy lordy lordy go put some cloths on will ya :laugh2:
To be totally honest mate I'm not sure so hope one of the guns step in on this as I'd also like to know but I would suppose that's where they look at the hole coin and grade accordingly to the scale but then the + they sometimes give still has me confused as well..sorry I'm no help auto :(
Quote from: 'serial' pid='74062' dateline='1433671375'would you reconsider that grade when you look at this?
http://www.australian-coins.net/showthread.php?tid=3274&pid=64060&highlight=1910+florin
Yes I just had a look at that.
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/31630931/
Your coin is at least as nice as that one and I wouldn't be surprised at all with a MS62-63 result.
Well done :good:
just "Musing" why doesn't PCGS do the same as NGC when you do a submission.
PCGS just lists your coins as received and NGC update the progress of your coins as they move up the line (which is nice).
They both take about the same amount of time to give you the grades but it IS nice to see how the submission is progressing :angel:
Any thoughts on how this will grade ?
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/17a.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/17b.JPG)
ms60 something, different toning marks around letters does that mean its been dipped ?
Quote from: 'Australian coin' pid='74180' dateline='1433903029'ms60 something, different toning marks around letters does that mean its been dipped ?
I would think that is natural toning.I bought this coin because it looked uncleaned to me and a reasonably high grade
Are those images "scans"
I can't make out the surface detail or the quality of the lustre from these.
Nice looking coin Mate :good:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='74186' dateline='1433905754'Are those images "scans"
I can't make out the surface detail or the quality of the lustre from these.
Nice looking coin Mate :good:
Sellers images so not sure but it will be off to the plastics factory on my last PCGS run for this financial year
IMHO the feathers of the emu look touched off, as do the edges on the badges down the left side of the shield, and some marks in both fields. The high points of the Kings regalia look to be just touched off if at all, and the band looks untouched. There also appears to be some small hits to the rim of the obverse. For what it's worth, a split grade anywhere between aU and gEF, say AU58. I'm no expert, but I've seen the odd PCGS grade of MS 61 - 62 on similar coins. :angel:
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='74199' dateline='1433925536'IMHO the feathers of the emu look touched off, as do the edges on the badges down the left side of the shield, and some marks in both fields. The high points of the Kings regalia look to be just touched off if at all, and the band looks untouched. There also appears to be some small hits to the rim of the obverse. For what it's worth, a split grade anywhere between aU and gEF, say AU58. I'm no expert, but I've seen the odd PCGS grade of MS 61 - 62 on similar coins. :angel:
A very comprehensive description Peter and going by the obverse which has no wear from what I can see I'm hoping the reverse is a weak strike enabling an MS62 grade.Time will tell
I think it could get 62 but I am no way an expert on this type of coin
I am no expert but I will have a crack at AU58, not sure if its clean enough for MS61
Just parcelled up my 6th submission since I got out of hospital,
154 coins in all.
Lucky I am unable to go fishing with my gimpy arm so I have saved a few quid by not doing that cos this lot is going to cost a few quid to get done :dash1:
That will do me for now :angel:
The first one got there 2/6/15 so I should have some results in a couple of weeks and more over the following 2 weeks :)
I won't get the results from this last one for 6-8 weeks.
Nice rotated halfpenny just returned from the factory
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/39b~3.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/39a~3.jpg)
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='74179' dateline='1433901390'Any thoughts on how this will grade ?
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/17a.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/17b.JPG)
In my opinion it should grade AU55 the emu is a little too touched off as well as the grass around the kangaroo for a 58. The obverse has a little wear on the regalia and a few marks on the bust.
I was wondering, are all the coins being graded now going to be housed in the new fully sealed slabs?
Quote from: 'trout' pid='74761' dateline='1434949930'I was wondering, are all the coins being graded now going to be housed in the new fully sealed slabs?
We sent a couple of coins back for reholdering (separate submissions). Got an old holder back 2 weeks ago and our first new holder last week.
One thing I have noticed is that when PCGS first advertised this new holder they had one sitting in a fish tank and I'm sure it was advertised as airtight. Now the website says "virtually airtight".
Edit: Answered my own question -here is the fish tank (http://www.pcgsblog.com/2015/06)
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='74765' dateline='1434966643'Quote from: 'trout' pid='74761' dateline='1434949930'I was wondering, are all the coins being graded now going to be housed in the new fully sealed slabs?
We sent a couple of coins back for reholdering (separate submissions). Got an old holder back 2 weeks ago and our first new holder last week.
One thing I have noticed is that when PCGS first advertised this new holder they had one sitting in a fish tank and I'm sure it was advertised as airtight. Now the website says "virtually airtight".
Edit: Answered my own question -here is the fish tank (http://www.pcgsblog.com/2015/06)
I have nearly 200 coins in the system at the moment and am hoping for the new slabs.
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='74765' dateline='1434966643'Quote from: 'trout' pid='74761' dateline='1434949930'I was wondering, are all the coins being graded now going to be housed in the new fully sealed slabs?
We sent a couple of coins back for reholdering (separate submissions). Got an old holder back 2 weeks ago and our first new holder last week.
One thing I have noticed is that when PCGS first advertised this new holder they had one sitting in a fish tank and I'm sure it was advertised as airtight. Now the website says "virtually airtight".
Edit: Answered my own question -here is the fish tank (http://www.pcgsblog.com/2015/06)
They advertised it as watertight as such the slab in the fish tank however that doesn't necessarily mean it is airtight, as although particles of water are too big for the acrylic matrix, air particles are substantially smaller and as such small enough to fit through. Short way to remember it is if it is airtight it is watertight however if it is watertight it may not be airtight.
Correction: They state that the new welding technique is airtight (over the short term while the air particles pass through the acrylic)
Happy to be wrong tho
I put 7 submissions together over the last month and the last of these has finally arrived at Newport Beach.
I got a little bit "Angsty" waiting for some of the submissions to arrive because NONE of my tracking numbers showed any results in transit.
Very relived when they all showed up at the other end :yahoo:
Now starts the waiting game whilst they grade 183 coins for me.
I don't know about you guys but for me there is a sense of excitement waiting for the results.
I have had hundreds of coins graded since 2013 and the anticipation awaiting the grades is always there for me :angel:
There seems to be a lot of PCGS Graded and slabbed coins turning up on ebay.
On seller appears to selling hundreds of coins at the same time.
Is she trusted seller or not.
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='75134' dateline='1435898932'There seems to be a lot of PCGS Graded and slabbed coins turning up on ebay.
On seller appears to selling hundreds of coins at the same time.
Is she trusted seller or not.
PM sent
I think the PCGS grader was pretty "harsh" on this one :cray"
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/32555624
PM read and replied to.
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='75134' dateline='1435898932'There seems to be a lot of PCGS Graded and slabbed coins turning up on ebay.
On seller appears to selling hundreds of coins at the same time.
Is she trusted seller or not.
He is trustworthy and sends thousands of coins at a time to Hong Kong for grading.He once told me that he slabs more coins with PCGS than anybody else in Australia and gets discounts for sending complete sets and rolls over
ok all very kryptic
I gotta know even though I probably do know ...
pm the answer so that I can sleep tonight!! ha ha
there has a been a QLD seller with heaps of pcgs listings up
like hundreds!! I look at them all the time, love the photos
Spill The Beans steevo :ok:
I just bought a ms 66 1/12 Anna for my set of him/her
Been buying from him for a while now and would recommend them
very noice at that!!!
the big fish would like that one as well!!
Quote from: 'trout' pid='75149' dateline='1435917179'Spill The Beans steevo :ok:
I got to know him earlier this year because he bought quite a few coins from me and we spoke quite often about the coin situation and he told me how he operates.The last shipment he told me about was roughly 300kg of slabbed coins that he couldn't bring back on the plane from Hong Kong with him so he was waiting for them to arrive.He goes to Hong Kong regularly for his jewellery business as well http://www.cottonandco.com.au/
Anyway if you have bulk high grade coins or sets to sell he'll make you an offer
wow big dollars
the website is fantastic
and I thought it was Stuart Anderson at the start !! ha ha
but this is the one who has popped up from QLD and has loads of coins across all price ranges
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1964-MS65RD-Australian-Penny-1d-PCGS-Graded-Coin-CH-UNC-/281605028249?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item4190f7b999
ps be cautious of the offers - I have had one made to me on ebay (not impressed!)
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='75156' dateline='1435924627'wow big dollars
the website is fantastic
and I thought it was Stuart Anderson at the start !! ha ha
but this is the one who has popped up from QLD and has loads of coins across all price ranges
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1964-MS65RD-Australian-Penny-1d-PCGS-Graded-Coin-CH-UNC-/281605028249?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item4190f7b999
ps be cautious of the offers - I have had one made to me on ebay (not impressed!)
Yeah that seller has lots of different stuff. Last week or the week before they had on auction of full 1 and 2 cent coin sets all graded and all around ms64-ms65. The 1's went for about $250 and the 2's around $350.
Quote from: 'Oldcoinchest' pid='75160' dateline='1435928076'Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='75156' dateline='1435924627'wow big dollars
the website is fantastic
and I thought it was Stuart Anderson at the start !! ha ha
but this is the one who has popped up from QLD and has loads of coins across all price ranges
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1964-MS65RD-Australian-Penny-1d-PCGS-Graded-Coin-CH-UNC-/281605028249?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item4190f7b999
ps be cautious of the offers - I have had one made to me on ebay (not impressed!)
Yeah that seller has lots of different stuff. Last week or the week before they had on auction of full 1 and 2 cent coin sets all graded and all around ms64-ms65. The 1's went for about $250 and the 2's around $350.
Yeh I got the 5cent set. Put my set registry up to 85% complete :)
QuoteI just bought a ms 66 1/12 Anna for my set of him/her
Very nicely done, Any Brit/India coin in MS66 is a nice addition to the set :yahoo:
Just incase anyone is interested. Another lot of the 1's and 2's are up for auction
1 cent set - http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/28x-Set-of-1966-2006-MS64RD-MS65RD-Australian-1c-One-Cent-PCGS-Graded-Coins-/400950154906?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item5d5a7dd69a
2 cent set - http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/26x-Set-of-1966-2006-MS63-65-Australian-2c-Two-Cent-PCGS-Graded-Coins-/400950160624?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item5d5a7decf0
Makes you wonder sometime? Is it worth it for lower value coins?
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/77x-1966-2012-MS64-66-PCGS-Graded-Australian-Coins-All-Different-1c-2-/271920926971?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item3f4fc010fb
If 1 person only bids that 800 - 10% fees = $720
77 graded coins for less than $10 each. Some coins already have a value at $3 - $5 on there own.
Even with a bulk lot surely it more than $5 a coin + postage.
How much would 100 coins cost to get graded?
He's just offloading his crap and is prepared to take a hit on these lots.He'd be lucky to
pay half the grading costs of the average person because of the volume of coins he gets
slabbed
Quotehttp://www.ebay.com.au/itm/77x-1966-2012...3f4fc010fb
How much would 100 coins cost to get graded?
With the exchange rate as it is now I would think about $20 per coin or 2K for a hundred.
Any 1 or 2 cent coin that you send away to be graded that comes back with a grade of 66 or less is called a "Stuff Up".
This listing is just dumping these types of coins to get rid of them :ok:
Thanks Steve and Trout.
I understand taking the good with bad and to get a set or what ever your after you may have some casualties.
Thanks for a figure in the $$ value of grading cost. That's good knowledge to know.
Quote.He'd be lucky to
pay half the grading costs of the average person because of the volume of coins he gets
slabbed
"Shot gunning" a submission is NOT the way to go at all.
Thanks to the helpful and kind advice from Mark and Umu I now carefully "pre grade" EVERY coin I submit before sending in a submission, I still "screw up" every now and then, But hay i'm new at this and am slowly getting better :)
maybe they are catering for the average collectors and not just the top guns
I got my 5 cent set registry up to 85.71% completed from around 15% in 1 buy. yes my set rating is low but they are all mint state and I can upgrade as I go along.
I like this seller a lot
plus ms65 is my set average so I think I am doing ok
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='75291' dateline='1436182195'maybe they are catering for the average collectors and not just the top guns
NO they are dumping their Junk :ok:
Depending on the date Would you seriously pay $10+ for an average uncirculated 1 or 2 cent coin ?
check this submission out! (not mine btw)
1 1 32430322 143384 1861-SY 1/2 Sov Australia AU55
2 1 32430323 143398 1886-S 1/2 Sov S-3862E Australia AU58
3 1 32430324 143382 1887-S 1/2 Sov S-3862E Young Head Australia AU53
4 1 32430325 454435 1891-S 1/2 Sov S-3871C With J.E.B. Australia AU53
5 1 32430326 113091 1893-S 1/2 Sov S-3881 Old Head Australia Genuine AU Details (92 - Cleaned)
6 1 32430327 113091 1893-S 1/2 Sov S-3881 Old Head Australia XF45
7 1 32430328 113091 1893-S 1/2 Sov S-3881 Old Head Australia AU55
8 1 32430329 143369 1900-P 1/2 Sov S-3880 Australia AU50
9 1 32430330 143367 1904-P 1/2 Sov S-3976A Australia AU50
10 1 32430331 143367 1904-P 1/2 Sov S-3976A Australia XF45
11 1 32430332 143366 1906-M 1/2 Sov S-3975 Australia AU50
12 1 32430333 113130 1909-M 1/2 Sov S-3975 Australia AU50
13 1 32430334 143373 1909-P 1/2 Sov S-3976B Australia AU50
14 1 32430335 172714 1900-M 1/2 Sov Australia Genuine AU Details (92 - Cleaned)
15 1 32430336 113146 1911-P 1/2 Sov S-4008 Australia AU58
16 1 32430337 113152 1915-P 1/2 Sov S-4008 Australia MS62
17 1 32430338 113152 1915-P 1/2 Sov S-4008 Australia MS63
18 1 32430339 142081 1873-M Sov S-3857 Australia MS61
19 1 32430340 113279 1875-M Sov S-3857 Australia MS62
20 1 32430341 113183 1870-SY Sov Australia Genuine UNC Details (92 - Cleaned)
BIG bucks here!
That one makes my submission look a bit sad.
https://www.pcgs.com/Membership/sharedorder.aspx?OrderNo=20935551
Quote from: 'serial' pid='75358' dateline='1436316958'check this submission out! (not mine btw)
1 1 32430322 143384 1861-SY 1/2 Sov Australia AU55
2 1 32430323 143398 1886-S 1/2 Sov S-3862E Australia AU58
3 1 32430324 143382 1887-S 1/2 Sov S-3862E Young Head Australia AU53
4 1 32430325 454435 1891-S 1/2 Sov S-3871C With J.E.B. Australia AU53
5 1 32430326 113091 1893-S 1/2 Sov S-3881 Old Head Australia Genuine AU Details (92 - Cleaned)
6 1 32430327 113091 1893-S 1/2 Sov S-3881 Old Head Australia XF45
7 1 32430328 113091 1893-S 1/2 Sov S-3881 Old Head Australia AU55
8 1 32430329 143369 1900-P 1/2 Sov S-3880 Australia AU50
9 1 32430330 143367 1904-P 1/2 Sov S-3976A Australia AU50
10 1 32430331 143367 1904-P 1/2 Sov S-3976A Australia XF45
11 1 32430332 143366 1906-M 1/2 Sov S-3975 Australia AU50
12 1 32430333 113130 1909-M 1/2 Sov S-3975 Australia AU50
13 1 32430334 143373 1909-P 1/2 Sov S-3976B Australia AU50
14 1 32430335 172714 1900-M 1/2 Sov Australia Genuine AU Details (92 - Cleaned)
15 1 32430336 113146 1911-P 1/2 Sov S-4008 Australia AU58
16 1 32430337 113152 1915-P 1/2 Sov S-4008 Australia MS62
17 1 32430338 113152 1915-P 1/2 Sov S-4008 Australia MS63
18 1 32430339 142081 1873-M Sov S-3857 Australia MS61
19 1 32430340 113279 1875-M Sov S-3857 Australia MS62
20 1 32430341 113183 1870-SY Sov Australia Genuine UNC Details (92 - Cleaned)
BIG bucks here!
Yeah whenever you include 1/2 Sovereigns the price tag is massive particularly in the earlier date and XF40-AU58 range.
QuoteYeah whenever you include 1/2 Sovereigns the price tag is massive particularly in the earlier date and XF40-AU58 range.
That's because the half Sov's actually circulated and the full Sov's didn't really :ok:
Got this today hoping it's a safe bet at AU53. What do you think ?
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/39b_28229.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/39b_28129.jpg)
I hope those images are scans and that's why I cant see a shred of luster.
From those images the coin looks dipped to death :cray:
Otherwise I would call this an easy 55-58 :good:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='75457' dateline='1436505735'I hope those images are scans and that's why I cant see a shred of luster.
From those images the coin looks dipped to death :cray:
Otherwise I would call this an easy 55-58 :good:
It has subdued lustre but the angle of the photos don't show it. It won't go
AU58 but I'd be more than happy with AU55
If the luster is there looks an easy AU55, its hard to pick any actual wear on the coin it just looks like it was in the bottom of the bag and copped a flogging Mate.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='75459' dateline='1436506296'If the luster is there looks an easy AU55, its hard to pick any actual wear on the coin it just looks like it was in the bottom of the bag and copped a flogging Mate.
Hope so mate . Not bad for $100
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='75460' dateline='1436506402'Quote from: 'trout' pid='75459' dateline='1436506296'If the luster is there looks an easy AU55, its hard to pick any actual wear on the coin it just looks like it was in the bottom of the bag and copped a flogging Mate.
Hope so mate . Not bad for $100
Well Done Mate :wavemulticolor:
I have a nice one Steve
not cheap but could do you a deal
unc
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='75466' dateline='1436509624'I have a nice one Steve
not cheap but could do you a deal
unc
Pm sent
Isn't it about time we had an international link like this
http://www.pcgsasia.com/?l=en
If you have coins encapsulated in the new slabs from PCGS this may be of interest to you :ok:
http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=234771#1963091
Quote from: 'trout' pid='75482' dateline='1436560805'If you have coins encapsulated in the new slabs from PCGS this may be of interest to you :ok:
http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=234771#1963091
Thanks mate, I bought a coin that is in one of the new holders. Hope it won't have this problem.
OOPS. Darn growing pains:diablo:
quality issue
naughty pcgs
I suspect PCGS have dealt with this problem now
Hope so for everyones sake you has sent coins to them
I imagine it was simply a case of whoever was doing the sonic sealing job on that day forgot to seal a submission or part of it.
I think perhaps it was just adjusting to the new slabs considering the change in materials and the new nature of the sonic seal.
come on guys
it is a royal stuff up
end of story
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='75538' dateline='1436702613'come on guys
it is a royal stuff up
end of story
Come on RG, shit happens no fault no blame.
You of all people being in the medical business should be aware of this :angel:
Just "funning" with you Mate, I recon someone got a huge kick up the bum for this SNAFU at PCGS :)
true and having been on the receiving end of a recent dental procedure stuff up I fully understand the consequences of human error (upon my person)
the good thing is that if your coin is in an unsealed slab then the world won't stop spinning
but if someone took the wrong kidney ... well a life could be ruined
but I think people were being a bit too kind regarding pcgs quality control issues
hopefully pcgs will cover post charges, regarding etc and quickly remedy the issue before reputation damage sets in
Meanwhile in the operating room as patient is falling asleep. Doctor: Okay bring up the wiki how article
sadly, I think that my young dentist needs a wikkie how to
I will be going more expensive expert/s for the repair job/s (if they can be done)
and maybe pcgs could do with having competent staff across all the domains, like the coin slab & packing, photographing etc
they (pcgs) do the 'expertise' sell but the stuff that makes experts so good are things like the team that they have working with them and consistency of service
if they are consistently *rap then that is bad for business
Just picked this up on Facebook.I have high hopes but MS65
will be acceptable
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/1966b.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/1966a.jpg)
Nice surfaces stevo. Is it slightly toned or is that a light thing going on.
65's on 1966's are rarer than most would think. Best of luck stevo.
These buggers are tough to get in MS65 or better, especially from them images :ok:
I do wish you well but don't get your hopes up until you see the coin "in hand" :)
Don't have it in hand yet but will post photos later in the week if it's
as good as the photos
Looks very nice stevo
Yeah it looks as good as one of my best 1971 20 cent coins from the photos but I think it will
probably come up a bit short on lustre
AJ has 3 of these 1966 50c coins at PCGS awaiting grades at the moment and I have another 5 coins in a later submission awaiting their verdict.
I wont publish AJ's results, I will leave that to his discretion But I will show mine so that it will give our members here an idea of how these are graded at PCGS. :ok:
This is Weird 3 submissions sent on the same day , 2 are going through Australian Customs and 1 was returned to sender .
Tracking number for UPS EC570542293US :dodgy:
I have just got the results for my 1901 and 1902 Maundy sets.
Very pleased with these :)
1901
1d PL67
2d PL66
3d PL66
4d PL66+
1902
1d PL67+
2d PL67
3d PL67+
4d PL67
stroooooth, ya did a lot better than I thought, well done cobba :good:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='77049' dateline='1438729863'stroooooth, ya did a lot better than I thought, well done cobba :good:
I had a look at PCGS population reports and this is how these two sets stacked up :yahoo:
1901
1d PL67 None graded higher
2d PL66 1 graded higher @ PL66+
3d PL66 1 graded higher @ PL67
4d PL66+ Single highest graded
1902
1d PL67+ 1 graded higher @ PL68
2d PL67 None graded higher
3d PL67+ Single highest graded
4d PL67 1 graded higher @ PL67+
The 1907 set didn't fare so well tho :cray:
At least none come back "Details", So still a reasonable set :good:
1d PL64
2d PL66
3d PL65
4d PL64
Congratulations trout on the great grades :D
so did I win the comp :D
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='77078' dateline='1438745920'so did I win the comp :D
Still waiting on the results for the 1916m florin :ok:
lets just say I won for arguments sake :laugh2:
just got some result back and got 2 x 1966 ms66 50 cent coins :)
happy days
cant wait to see the true view pics
me too
I like that year
Quote from: 'serial' pid='77184' dateline='1438842473'just got some result back and got 2 x 1966 ms66 50 cent coins :)
happy days
cant wait to see the true view pics
You get all of the lucky breaks mate.Well done
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='77196' dateline='1438855057'Quote from: 'serial' pid='77184' dateline='1438842473'just got some result back and got 2 x 1966 ms66 50 cent coins :)
happy days
cant wait to see the true view pics
You get all of the lucky breaks mate.Well done
Lol will swap one of them for your ms 62 1910 florin if you want
:taunt:
Congratulations serial that is quite the achievement with is often understated.
you should see the rest :)
1966 1C, DC Australia PR68DC
1968 1C, RD Australia MS64RD
1968 2C, RD Australia MS63RD
1966 2C, DC Australia PR67DC
1966(c) 5C Australia MS67
1966(c) 5C Australia MS67
1967 5C Australia MS68
1967 5C Australia MS65
1968 5C Australia MS66
1971 5C Australia MS67
1972 5C Australia MS65
1966 10C, DC Australia PR67DC
1969 10C Australia MS66
1970 10C Australia MS68
1972 10C Australia MS67
1966(c) 20C Australia MS64
1968 20C Australia MS65
1969 20C Australia MS63
1970 20C Australia MS65
1971 20C Australia MS66
1971 20C Australia MS63
1971 20C Australia MS65
1983 20C Australia MS64
1966 50C Australia MS66
1966 50C Australia MS66
1966 50C Australia MS64
1970 25 Pst President Nasser Egypt MS64
1980-R 500 L Italy MS66
1981-R 500 L Italy MS68
1982-R 500 L Italy MS67
Not a bad batch serial but the pick would be the 66 proof 1 cent, be worth as much as the rest put together :winkextra:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='77229' dateline='1438886005'Not a bad batch serial but the pick would be the 66 proof 1 cent, be worth as much as the rest put together :winkextra:
I'd settle for the 2 x 1966 round 50's in MS66 but will have to keep
looking as I think serial would have trouble parting with them
A MS65 for a 1966 50 cent is tough enough, a MS66 is an outstanding result.
Not 1 but 2 of them :yahoo:
Awesome job Serial :wavemulticolor:
yeah true and I wouldn't knock one back but try and get a high grade 1 or 2 cent is pretty bloody hard as most coppers are pretty crappy now so you'll pay for a good one :)
Well done Serial. Look out for Stevo with those 1971 20c!!!
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='77244' dateline='1438904423'Well done Serial. Look out for Stevo with those 1971 20c!!!
Yes Uni I nearly have enough of them now and have moved
on to 1972 5 cent coins and have 17 of them out of rolls or
mint sets to get graded.So will have to look for something else
to concentrate on.It sounds like obsessive behaviour doesn't it?
Actually ausjack the proof 1 cent is good but value wise it probably wouldn't make the top 4. I was hoping for a PR 69 but 68 is an upgrade on my set. Now I just need to find a decent proof 66 50c it will take me another 6 months of auction/coin show hunting to find that
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='77248' dateline='1438905314'It sounds like obsessive behaviour doesn't it?
:laugh2: ...... That's the best kind !
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='77244' dateline='1438904423'Well done Serial. Look out for Stevo with those 1971 20c!!!
actually it is stevo who got me onto them. I am currently hunting for a 67 or higher.
putting my next submission together as we speak
Quote from: 'serial' pid='77252' dateline='1438907045'Actually ausjack the proof 1 cent is good but value wise it probably wouldn't make the top 4. I was hoping for a PR 69 but 68 is an upgrade on my set. Now I just need to find a decent proof 66 50c it will take me another 6 months of auction/coin show hunting to find that
Mate I'd be over the moon with a PR68 but yes a 69 would be a lot better, your doing extremely well :good:
Quote from: 'serial' pid='77252' dateline='1438907045'Actually ausjack the proof 1 cent is good but value wise it probably wouldn't make the top 4. I was hoping for a PR 69 but 68 is an upgrade on my set. Now I just need to find a decent proof 66 50c it will take me another 6 months of auction/coin show hunting to find that
The best 66 50 cents I have is a PR67DCAM, These buggers are proving "Tough" to find in better grades.
Those bloody 66 proof set boxes didn't help to look after the coins much :dash1:
yes stupid blue velvet dose a lot of damage, so you still a few short of top of the pops, I'm happy enough with my PR65 as it was a pretty cheap set and would have been cheaper if SOMEONE who'll remain nameless didn't bid me up :dodgy: :angel:
I submitted 4 1966 proof sets and the best of them are these.
1c= PR68
2c=PR67
5c=PR69
10c=PR69
20c=PR69
50c=PR67
This is the best I have but I'm too scared to cross it over because it cost me a
pretty penny to start with
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/50.jpg)
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='77375' dateline='1439089787'This is the best I have but I'm too scared to cross it over because it cost me a
pretty penny to start with
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/50.jpg)
I'm pretty Shure that if it doesn't cross over they leave it in the NGC holder and return it to you.
There is a Perception that NGC graded coins are over graded by 1 point in comparison to a PCGS graded coin, So it would be in your interest to get this crossed over at the same grade in a PCGS slab.
It will probably only cost you about $30 to submit this coin and the worst case scenario is they return your coin in the NGC slab.
If it does cross over in a PCGS slab then you have a $3200 coin sitting on your desk :good::)
Quote from: 'trout' pid='77373' dateline='1439089412'I submitted 4 1966 proof sets and the best of them are these.
1c= MS68
2c=MS67
5c=MS69
10c=MS69
20c=MS69
50c=MS67
You meant PR not MS? :idea:
QuoteYou meant PR not MS?
Fixed it :ok:
I have had a pretty busy morning :angel:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='77383' dateline='1439091292'QuoteYou meant PR not MS?
Fixed it :ok:
I have had a pretty busy morning :angel:
Good on you ! I hope you were busy sorting your next submission :yahoo:
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='77375' dateline='1439089787'This is the best I have but I'm too scared to cross it over because it cost me a
pretty penny to start with
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/50.jpg)
I agree with Trout, just by looking at the coin, it has a good chance of crossing over... Even at one level below, it is a nice valuable coin.
:drinks: early start mate :laugh2:
Bloody nice coin Stevo :drooling:
I've submitted one set and got
1c PR65
2c PR66
5c PR68
10c PR68
20c PR68
50c PR65
so I'm happy with that, and actually did a lot better on a lot than I thought I would and especially the coppers and the 5 & 10 :D
QuoteGood on you ! I hope you were busy sorting your next submission Yahoo
You must be looking over my shoulder, I have just finished tagging and bagging another World Economy Submission that I am posting Monday :)
Bit of a mix in this one with Maundy coins, Indian coins, Canadian Coins and a few Aussie Coins :yahoo:
Geebus I've created a monster with the maundy's :laugh2: But they are a sweet little coin :ok:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='77397' dateline='1439102109'Geebus I've created a monster with the maundy's :laugh2: But they are a sweet little coin :ok:
I thank you for that Mate, these ARE Gorgeous little coins.
It's just a matter of picking the right coins to buy.
Thanks to Marks good advice I have managed to pick up some nice examples :good:
Yeah I'll second that :good:
I'm very quickly running out of nice things to find for you because you have just about everything :( But I have an idea for something else :winkextra:
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='77387' dateline='1439092052'Quote from: 'trout' pid='77383' dateline='1439091292'QuoteYou meant PR not MS?
Fixed it :ok:
I have had a pretty busy morning :angel:
Good on you ! I hope you were busy sorting your next submission :yahoo:
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='77375' dateline='1439089787'This is the best I have but I'm too scared to cross it over because it cost me a
pretty penny to start with
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/50.jpg)
I agree with Trout, just by looking at the coin, it has a good chance of crossing over... Even at one level below, it is a nice valuable coin.
I agree send it in Stevo and good luck with it
Off to PCGS .I hope I can get an MS67 or better
out of this lot of 1972 5 cents
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/72b.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/72a.jpg)
hmm did 72s come in high grades, were they available for purchase as a mint set, or circulation ones you put together, I guess they would come in red wallets
Quote from: 'Australian coin' pid='77536' dateline='1439284128'hmm did 72s come in high grades, were they available for purchase as a mint set, or circulation ones you put together, I guess they would come in red wallets
They did come in mint rolls, I bought a couple of coins from a roll from the same seller .
one came back MS68 and the recent one came back MS65.
The ones in the mint (plastic) sets are normally ruined via PVC :ok:
These 10 were out of a roll and are minimum MS66 but are high echidna
one of my 1966 ms66 50's
all the high grade coins I got are now the example pictures on pcgs's population report so you can see them there in all their glory
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/ms66_1966_50.jpg)
Congratulations serial it looks great
Very nice serial .Would be nice to have a few of those in the collection and
there seems to be a lot of high grade raw coins around but the advice I keep
seeing online is to not pay more than $20 per coin but I have been guilty of
paying a lot more to find that elusive coin that will go MS66
these are the pics cropped to fit on this site of my 1910 florin, it came back au58 :(
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/webpic2.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/web_pic_1.jpg)
I feel a bit robbed on this one but can live with the grade
Well serial at least it is a very nice 58 :P positives mate, positives
I know I know, I just think it should have at least hit 61. But I do love the trueview pictures coming out of PCGS now
now I have to hunt a mint state example to upgrade my now completed sets :)
Yeah I think you were ripped off or maybe I just got lucky
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/1910c.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/1910d.jpg)
Yeh I really expected mine to do better than yours
Either they had a good day when grading yours or a bad one on mine
Quote from: 'serial' pid='77585' dateline='1439351783'Yeh I really expected mine to do better than yours
Either they had a good day when grading yours or a bad one on mine
If that's an AU58 it should be called a AU58+.
I recon they graded this far too harshly.
I have been saying this for a while now about pcgs, and especially after getting a few more slabs and having them in had to suss out :winkextra: can always resubmit it, but at a cost :(
:mocking: well unlike me they're not perfect :laugh2: sorry I wanna be good :blush2: :angel:
Eye opening comparison between two similar coins graded by the same T.P.G.! Throws the 'eye appeal' askew i.m.o. :dodgy:
Quote from: 'Robster' pid='77649' dateline='1439420017'Eye opening comparison between two similar coins graded by the same T.P.G.! Throws the 'eye appeal' askew i.m.o. :dodgy:
Serial's bright and shiny coin graded AU58 whereas my dull ,toned coin graded MS62 although mine does have some lustre which you can't see in the photo
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/%2031630931
Quote from: 'serial' pid='77581' dateline='1439345058'I feel a bit robbed on this one but can live with the grade
It's a nice coin but the lustre shows a clear break between the fields and the protected areas. I would have sent it in
expecting an AU58 but
hoping for low MS. Sounds like you thought exactly the same. Personally I'd be delighted to have that coin in my collection!
Hi Folks, Could you please provide some grading opinions on this 3 D?
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='78044' dateline='1440197236'Hi Folks, Could you please provide some grading opinions on this 3 D?
gEF or perhaps AU.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='78046' dateline='1440197834'Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='78044' dateline='1440197236'Hi Folks, Could you please provide some grading opinions on this 3 D?
gEF or perhaps AU.
Thank you Mark, so AU53 -AU58 if it goes to PCGS.
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='78047' dateline='1440198263'Quote from: 'markn' pid='78046' dateline='1440197834'Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='78044' dateline='1440197236'Hi Folks, Could you please provide some grading opinions on this 3 D?
gEF or perhaps AU.
Thank you Mark, so AU53 -AU58 if it goes to PCGS.
Yes, I would have thought something in that range.
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='77653' dateline='1439421001'Quote from: 'Robster' pid='77649' dateline='1439420017'Eye opening comparison between two similar coins graded by the same T.P.G.! Throws the 'eye appeal' askew i.m.o. :dodgy:
Serial's bright and shiny coin graded AU58 whereas my dull ,toned coin graded MS62 although mine does have some lustre which you can't see in the photo
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/%2031630931
Toned silver coins with underlying lustre will normally grade better than a bright and shiny coin most times.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='78110' dateline='1440306109'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='77653' dateline='1439421001'Quote from: 'Robster' pid='77649' dateline='1439420017'Eye opening comparison between two similar coins graded by the same T.P.G.! Throws the 'eye appeal' askew i.m.o. :dodgy:
Serial's bright and shiny coin graded AU58 whereas my dull ,toned coin graded MS62 although mine does have some lustre which you can't see in the photo
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/%2031630931
Toned silver coins with underlying lustre will normally grade better than a bright and shiny coin most times.
Uh. No. All other factors being equal the lustrous coin will almost always outgrade a toned coin with subdued lustre. The one exception can be when the toning has exceptional eye appeal.
Why is it then that most of the higher graded George V Silver Pre decimals seem to be toned , especially the Florins ?
It may be that very few coins have survived with blast white fully lustrous surfaces and devices or have been lightly dipped and judged accordingly.
I am sending in to PCGS a pretty much blast white coin with a small amount of peripheral toning 1931 Florin that is technically rather nice and expect it to grade at MS63-64.
Unfortunately it only has a tiny amount of toning on it, If it had more toning I wouldn't at all be surprised with a MS65 grade.
The reason I am saying this is I had a consignment of coins delivered to me that wasn't mine and like all True coinies I just had to have a look at every single coin :angel:
There was a selection of early pre decimal 3d,6d and shillings in there and ALL the highest graded coins were Toned.
I could and probably am wrong in this assumption But NGC seem to prefer the toned coins and maybe PCGS is starting to think that way as well.
Just throwing some Food for thought/discussion out there :)
Because most untoned pre-decimal silver coins are that way due to light cleaning which adversely affects lustre and surface condition.
Original, untoned coins can be found from many dates (due to roll finds) such as 1931, 1934, 1936 shillings, 1931 and 1936 florins and these grade better than their toned counterparts.
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='78119' dateline='1440318829'Because most untoned pre-decimal silver coins are that way due to light cleaning which adversely affects lustre and surface condition.
Original, untoned coins can be found from many dates (due to roll finds) such as 1931, 1934, 1936 shillings, 1931 and 1936 florins and these grade better than their toned counterparts.
Thanks Walter, So Has this been dipped or is it a roll find ?
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1931_florin~0.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1931_florin1~0.jpg)
A nice honest coin although not uncirculated is still worthy of slabbing and should do AU50-53 hopefully
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Australia-1911-Florin-VF-8-Pearls-Clear-Centre-Diamond-/371413668435?
what do you think? worth grading?
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/P9290330.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/P9290329.JPG)
Code: (http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/P9290328.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/P9290327.JPG)
A bit of chatter on the obverse MS63 with an outside chance of MS64.Hopefully this one that I
picked up this afternoon will do about MS64 or better
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/171926561063?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2648&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
1972 MS64 ?
YUCK
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/281588075500?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&fromMakeTrack=true
Quote from: 'runway' pid='80152' dateline='1443532879'1972 MS64 ?
YUCK
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/281588075500?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&fromMakeTrack=true
SUPER YUCK! You should report that listing, I though ebay policy was to have shots of the whole slab, front and back?
Quote from: 'matttheriley' pid='80154' dateline='1443541837'Quote from: 'runway' pid='80152' dateline='1443532879'1972 MS64 ?
YUCK
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/281588075500?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&fromMakeTrack=true
SUPER YUCK! You should report that listing, I though ebay policy was to have shots of the whole slab, front and back?
the seller has made a mistake in their listing it is a ms63 not a ms64 ,going by the sellers photos its lucky it got that grade too http://www.pcgs.com/cert/80073590
Quote from: 'runway' pid='80152' dateline='1443532879'1972 MS64 ?
YUCK
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/281588075500?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&fromMakeTrack=true
Just another reason why the individual must acquire grading skills, and not put blind faith in a grade attributed by another party, irrespective of whether the coin is in a slab or a 2X2.
so I have this due back any day now, so you vs pcgs how do you think it will grade?
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/P8060371.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/P8060369.JPG)
au58 from me
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='80164' dateline='1443592780'au58 from me
:dodgy:
are you serious or just stirring me up?
I was thinking between 63-66
if this is au58 I need to buy all your au coins
The 54 florin should go MS65 in my book
Quote from: 'serial' pid='80163' dateline='1443591219'so I have this due back any day now, so you vs pcgs how do you think it will grade?
Looks nice. Could hit a 5 if there's good lustre. I've got a one with hardly a mark on it (even less than yours) that has some dusty toning. 64. :dodgy:
MS63+
These are really tough in grades over 63 .
Those few minor marks on the reverse and obverse will hold this back from getting a 65 grade.
I'm in the MS64 camp , a very nice coin :good:
Quote from: 'serial' pid='80167' dateline='1443593216'Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='80164' dateline='1443592780'au58 from me
:dodgy:
are you serious or just stirring me up?
I was thinking between 63-66
if this is au58 I need to buy all your au coins
happy for you to buy all my coins, for the right price of course
true at times I undergrade then other times I over grade
send it off
the roos check & ears are a bit fat and the lions cheek & shoulder also look to be a bit flat
the reverse has some wear in my books , nicks on AUS - the lions hip & legs
but trust the other guys more, they send off to pcgs all the time
so do you
I just dream
and I struggle with grading the silver coins over the penny
ps
if your coin is a ms 64 or higher
then I am sending mine over
I actually sent this of a month and a bit ago. I will upload the true view pics and grade when I get it soon
PCGS are pretty hard on these 1951 coins.
This one of mine that only made MS62 :dash1:
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/32538632.html
Quote from: 'serial' pid='80177' dateline='1443602272'I actually sent this of a month and a bit ago. I will upload the true view pics and grade when I get it soon
I will probably blush with embarrassment
but the idea is to test our
grading from photographs skills
Just received these today.Are they worth slabbing? There is an outside chance that they
may go RD
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/48a.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/48b.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/49a.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/49b.jpg)
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='80164' dateline='1443592780'au58 from me
AU means signs of wear. Can't see any wear. At least MS63 (outside chance of 64).
nice doubling of the 94 in 1949 Steve
very nice coins, i'd reckon they would be worth slabbing
yes I would send them stevo, I actually did send a couple similar
Quote from: 'serial' pid='80214' dateline='1443675575'yes I would send them stevo, I actually did send a couple similar
Might just send the 48 as the 49 has more chatter and some planchet flaws.Actually
the 49 has a better chance of a red designation than the 48 but the flaws could be
a problem
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='80215' dateline='1443677699'the flaws could be
a problem
Here's a 48 PCGS knocked back last month for lamination peel.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/planchet-flaw.jpg)
Ouch!
That really is a stunning coin PPH.
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='80227' dateline='1443695040'Ouch!
That really is a stunning coin PPH.
It is. I thought they'd let it get through. But no. So no more planchet flaws being sent by us.
Nice coin there PPH .Pity it didn't grade as it is a beauty
Very disappointing PPH when such a coin gets knocked back,was it sent to PCGS or just to a PCGS authorised Australian dealer who was honest enough to not send to PCGS?
That is rather strange Mark.
It is NOT PMD so it should have graded i would think.
I wonder if you added "planchet flaw" in the veriety colum it would grade??
Quote from: 'trout' pid='80237' dateline='1443709326'I wonder if you added "planchet flaw" in the veriety colum it would grade??
No. Perhaps it would need to be sent as an error but it's too minor for that.
I think it's borderline that it got knocked back. Mark has a penny in his collection with what I recall to be a similar flaw that was graded fine (a MS65 too I think) but a few years ago now. Perhaps on another day of the week it would have graded or they have got more strict.
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='80249' dateline='1443738323'Quote from: 'trout' pid='80237' dateline='1443709326'I wonder if you added "planchet flaw" in the veriety colum it would grade??
No. Perhaps it would need to be sent as an error but it's too minor for that.
PPH is quite correct. Planchet flaws are errors in the eyes of PCGS NOT varieties. I happen to agree with their distinction btw.
Quote from: 'runway' pid='80234' dateline='1443705790'Very disappointing PPH when such a coin gets knocked back,was it sent to PCGS or just to a PCGS authorised Australian dealer who was honest enough to not send to PCGS?
We sent it ourselves. I thought the planchet flaw was small enough and the coin of a good enough quality that it might net grade out at MS64.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='80254' dateline='1443740078'Quote from: 'runway' pid='80234' dateline='1443705790'Very disappointing PPH when such a coin gets knocked back,was it sent to PCGS or just to a PCGS authorised Australian dealer who was honest enough to not send to PCGS?
We sent it ourselves. I thought the planchet flaw was small enough and the coin of a good enough quality that it might net grade out at MS64.
That's frustrating
I will be sending that 1925 penny with the clipped planchet i bought off PP into PCGS for grading when I get back from this job.
Looks like I will have to send it as an error submission, How do I go about doing that?
I haven't sent an error submission in as yet.
PCGS grading for error coins cost a fortune to send and get grade not sure if it's worth the drama
I have just noticed that the images supplied when you submit with the "Secure" option are full blown "Trueview" images and not the crappy images we had to put up with before.
I never thought I would say this but the extra $5 is well worth spending on the secure option :good:
Well, that is decent of them considering they force you to spend the extra $5 for non US coins!
Quote from: 'matttheriley' pid='80532' dateline='1444403631'Well, that is decent of them considering they force you to spend the extra $5 for non US coins!
You only have to do the secure with World Regular or Economy, World modern you can opt NOT to have the secure option :ok:
so results are in its ms64
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/1954_florin_ms_64.jpg)
got ms64 on this 35 shilling as well :)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/1935_shilling.jpg)
Some nice results in the rest of that submission as well, Nicely done :good:
well there ya go
I must add that the pcgs photo does the 1954 florin justice as well
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='80895' dateline='1445406428'well there ya go
I must add that the pcgs photo does the 1954 florin justice as well
pity about the mark on her neck and the lions hide
Quotepity about the mark on her neck and the lions hide
To me those "Marks" look superficial and are merely breaks in the lustre from rub.
I also think that this issue and the 1951 Jubilee coin are very underrated in MS64 and higher grades :ok:
Was that from a World "Regular" or "Economy" submission Serial??
Here are some of the grades I got back today.
I was thinking "Soft strike" obviously PCGS disagreed with my call :cray:
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/32957491
This was a nice result :)
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/32957497
I can live with these.
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/32957498
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/32957502
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/32957504
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/32957549
I think they were a bit "tough" on this one :(
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/32957501
Nice coins trout!
Quote from: 'trout' pid='80967' dateline='1445572039'I think they were a bit "tough" on this one :(
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/32957501
I think so too Trout.
Looking at their pics and the ones you posted in the thread back in August I can't see too much wrong with it. (Not that that means too much).
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='80969' dateline='1445580206'Quote from: 'trout' pid='80967' dateline='1445572039'I think they were a bit "tough" on this one :(
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/32957501
I think so too Trout.
Looking at their pics and the ones you posted in the thread back in August I can't see too much wrong with it. (Not that that means too much).
I can't remember any detracting marks on this coin that would get it a low MS63 grade , I was pretty confident of at least a MS64 with a chance at 65 .
Buggered if I know, there is always the option of sending it back again :ok:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='80975' dateline='1445590328'Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='80969' dateline='1445580206'Quote from: 'trout' pid='80967' dateline='1445572039'I think they were a bit "tough" on this one :(
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/32957501
I think so too Trout.
Looking at their pics and the ones you posted in the thread back in August I can't see too much wrong with it. (Not that that means too much).
I can't remember any detracting marks on this coin that would get it a low MS63 grade , I was pretty confident of at least a MS64 with a chance at 65 .
Buggered if I know, there is always the option of sending it back again :ok:
That is a one nice coin Trout, forget the grade, that has a look of a MS64+ or higher. In saying that, there are some marks behind kind ear and flattening on emu's feather. That may be the reason why it is MS63... :angel:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='80967' dateline='1445572039'I think they were a bit "tough" on this one :(
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/32957501
I see what are probably 5 parallel scrapes on the obverse under the EX F: on the obverse. If they are scrapes then the 63 grade is probably justified.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='80967' dateline='1445572039'Here are some of the grades I got back today.
I was thinking "Soft strike" obviously PCGS disagreed with my call :cray:
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/32957491
What were you expecting?
QuoteWhat were you expecting?
I was expecting at least AU58.
QuoteI see what are probably 5 parallel scrapes on the obverse under the EX F: on the obverse. If they are scrapes then the 63 grade is probably justified.
Good eyes Mark, I will have a good look at that part of the coin when it gets back :ok:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='81067' dateline='1445829323'QuoteWhat were you expecting?
I was expecting at least AU58.
If it was a weak strike AND AU58 you'd expect rounded off high points AND almost full lustre in the fields. Your coin is showing well rounded high points and worn fields on the obverse. You can see the lustre still present in the devices that is completely gone in the open areas of the fields. The reverse is probably AU58.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='81067' dateline='1445829323'Good eyes Mark, I will have a good look at that part of the coin when it gets back :ok:
Can see it in your pics from back in August, but not sure what to make of it.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='78013' dateline='1440147582'1910 6d
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1910_6D1~0.jpg)
beautiful coin regardless of the numbers
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/32957501_large.jpg)
I just got the results back for a 24 coin modern Australian submission an only 2 of the coins PR69DC have 3 coins graded higher.
All the rest are equal finest or single finest .
I will post the sub number when the images are available.
A couple of the stand out coins are the PR70Dc 1976 10c PR70DC 1976 1c and a MS68 2000 Victoria cross :)
Well done Troutski, a top effort!
Images are available but not on the shared orders page yet.
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/32813264
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/32813264
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/32813253
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/32813273
Quote from: 'trout' pid='81382' dateline='1446793462'Images are available but not on the shared orders page yet.
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/32813264
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/32813264
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/32813253
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/32813273
Well done ! If you are planing to sell them, do it soon. Single finest coins attract more bidders and higher prices :yahoo:
This is the submission.
No stuff ups this time :)
https://www.pcgs.com/Membership/sharedorder.aspx?OrderNo=20959758
Quote from: 'trout' pid='81386' dateline='1446803988'This is the submission.
No stuff ups this time :)
https://www.pcgs.com/Membership/sharedorder.aspx?OrderNo=20959758
awwwwsome ... you da man ! :yahoo:
Not a bad result but I went through 18 proof sets 1975 and 1976 and these were the pick of the bunch.
I was actually expecting more 70 grades but that didn't happen, All is good 70 grades are incredibly hard to get.
I imaged every coin then expanded the image and any with a tiny defect didn't get a gurnsy.
Difference between a 69 and 70 would be nothing
Nice results Trout! How many top pops you have now?
Quote from: 'matttheriley' pid='81392' dateline='1446834826'Nice results Trout! How many top pops you have now?
I have absolutely no idea.
This is something you never want to find in your blue box when you get your submission back :cray:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/fakes.jpg)
:cray:
Ouch Trout!
Oh no!!! Do you have any recourse with the seller?
... and Jesus wept.
Quote from: 'matttheriley' pid='82362' dateline='1449577409'Oh no!!! Do you have any recourse with the seller?
I did open a case with PayPal for the 1919 coin but because customs held my coins for nearly a month I missed the cut off date to post the coin back and lost the case :dash1:
PCGS are being a bit slow this year.
I have had coins sent as a regular submission sitting there since 1st December on a 20 day turnaround.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='82371' dateline='1449602338'Quote from: 'matttheriley' pid='82362' dateline='1449577409'Oh no!!! Do you have any recourse with the seller?
I did open a case with PayPal for the 1919 coin but because customs held my coins for nearly a month I missed the cut off date to post the coin back and lost the case :dash1:
That sucks. Is your Paypal funded by credit card? They should be able to do something.
Some results just back from PCGS.I think I have enough 1972 5 cents now.Time
to move onto something else
33266638 144218 1972 5C MS67 Australia
33266639 144218 1972 5C MS67 Australia
33266640 144218 1972 5C MS66 Australia
33266641 144218 1972 5C MS66 Australia
33266642 144218 1972 5C MS66 Australia
33266643 144218 1972 5C MS67 Australia
33266644 144218 1972 5C MS66 Australia
33266645 144218 1972 5C MS67 Australia
33266646 144218 1972 5C MS67 Australia
33266647 144218 1972 5C MS66 Australia
33266648 144218 1972 5C MS67 Australia
33266649 113999 1966(c) 5C MS68 Australia
33266650 113999 1966(c) 5C MS67 Australia
33266651 113999 1966(c) 5C MS65 Australia
33266652 113999 1966(c) 5C MS68 Australia
33266653 144218 1972 5C MS66 Australia
33266654 144218 1972 5C MS67 Australia
33266655 144218 1972 5C MS66 Australia
33266656 144218 1972 5C MS67 Australia
33266657 144218 1972 5C MS66 Australia
33266658 144218 1972 5C MS67 Australia
33266659 545407 2015 $1 WWI War Heroes-Red Poppy MS68 Australia
33266660 545407 2015 $1 WWI War Heroes-Red Poppy MS67 Australia
33266661 144131 1973 50C MS65 Australia
33266662 724196 1974 50C MS66 Australia
33266663 114281 1966 50C MS64 Australia
33266664 114281 1966 50C Genuine - UNC Details (92 - Cleaned) Australia
33266665 114281 1966 50C MS64 Australia
I've got one for ya stevo, have you thought about the 2000 50 cent incused flag :laugh2::laugh2::angel:
BTW you sure have a mortgage on the 72's. Did they all come from mint sets, and is there are mixture of high and low Echidna's?
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='83750' dateline='1453161015'I've got one for ya stevo, have you thought about the 2000 50 cent incused flag :laugh2::laugh2::angel:
BTW you sure have a mortgage on the 72's. Did they all come from mint sets, and is there are mixture of high and low Echidna's?
Yeah I have thought about the 2000 incused 50 ( a lot ).As a matter of fact I have another
11 high grade hand picked examples to send away and yes I thought there were
a few low echidna 5 cent coins in the pile and Eric is checking with PCGS before they despatch them back to Australia so we'll have to wait for the outcome there
Nice results there Mate , Well done :yahoo:
Love your work Stevo! :good:
Nice work Stevo, any other 1972 5 cents left for others?:taunt:
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='83764' dateline='1453190616'Nice work Stevo, any other 1972 5 cents left for others?:taunt:
I only stopped the flow for a couple of weeks so they should
be starting to surface again by now
Well done on some nice results Stevo :good:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='83780' dateline='1453239016'Well done on some nice results Stevo :good:
Thanks mate. I wonder if it was worth the investment getting the poppy $1 coins
graded as I haven't seen any sales for them yet
Actually there's one coming up on numisbid but it has a ver y low estimate
http://www.numisbid.com.au/Browse/2015_One_Dollar_PCGS_MS67/25119
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='83784' dateline='1453242958'Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='83780' dateline='1453239016'Well done on some nice results Stevo :good:
Thanks mate. I wonder if it was worth the investment getting the poppy $1 coins
graded as I haven't seen any sales for them yet
Actually there's one coming up on numisbid but it has a ver y low estimate
http://www.numisbid.com.au/Browse/2015_One_Dollar_PCGS_MS67/25119
That is one of mine, Looks like someone will get a bargain.
All is good , That's the nature of an auction where the bidders on the day decide what a particular coin is worth Not some book or database :good:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='83787' dateline='1453245501'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='83784' dateline='1453242958'Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='83780' dateline='1453239016'Well done on some nice results Stevo :good:
Thanks mate. I wonder if it was worth the investment getting the poppy $1 coins
graded as I haven't seen any sales for them yet
Actually there's one coming up on numisbid but it has a ver y low estimate
http://www.numisbid.com.au/Browse/2015_One_Dollar_PCGS_MS67/25119
That is one of mine, Looks like someone will get a bargain.
All is good , That's the nature of an auction where the bidders on the day decide what a particular coin is worth Not some book or database :good:
Still a week to go mate so I hope you get a bit more interest in it as they sell for
$150+ in the card and this one is a decent grade
Quote from: 'trout' pid='83787' dateline='1453245501'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='83784' dateline='1453242958'Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='83780' dateline='1453239016'Well done on some nice results Stevo :good:
Thanks mate. I wonder if it was worth the investment getting the poppy $1 coins
graded as I haven't seen any sales for them yet
Actually there's one coming up on numisbid but it has a ver y low estimate
http://www.numisbid.com.au/Browse/2015_One_Dollar_PCGS_MS67/25119
That is one of mine, Looks like someone will get a bargain.
All is good , That's the nature of an auction where the bidders on the day decide what a particular coin is worth Not some book or database :good:
Looks like it'll sell well above the reserve. One of the weaknesses of the Blue Sheet (where our estimates come from) is that in using automated pricing based on certified coin sales, if the coin has no past sales history valuations can be inaccurate. Thankfully this problem is self-fixing once sales occur.
QuoteLooks like it'll sell well above the reserve. One of the weaknesses of the Blue Sheet (where our estimates come from) is that in using automated pricing based on certified coin sales, if the coin has no past sales history valuations can be inaccurate. Thankfully this problem is self-fixing once sales occur.
All is good Walter, I know some of my consignments are in "Uncharted" territory But when they sell Bluesheet should get a bit of a baseline from the auction results :)
Australia Red Poppy - 2015 One Dollar, PCGS graded MS67. Est. $22 - $30.
Slab cost would be that alone
I posted of 3 submissions on Jan 22nd, They haven't showed up on the PCGS site as having being received yet.
The tracking numbers that Aus Post provides is useless so I have to rely on the PCGS site to see if my coins actually get there.
Early days yet and I haven't had a problem before but it always makes me nervous waiting to see if they got there ok :angel:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='84212' dateline='1454641558'I posted of 3 submissions on Feb 22nd, They haven't showed up on the PCGS site as having being received yet.
:laugh2: On ya Troutski ...... a tad of Fridayitis (I know you meant Jan).
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='84215' dateline='1454643254'Quote from: 'trout' pid='84212' dateline='1454641558'I posted of 3 submissions on Feb 22nd, They haven't showed up on the PCGS site as having being received yet.
:laugh2: On ya Troutski ...... a tad of Fridayitis (I know you meant Jan).
Cheers Mate, Fixed it :blush:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='84216' dateline='1454645267'Cheers Mate, Fixed it :blush:
Have another go. Heheh :angel:
Bugger, I forgot to save the edit :dash1:
That's better. :yahoo:That rotten Fridayitis can be a sod to shake off.
1966 20c wavy 2 PCGS MS63 arrived today
photos
or just a teaser!!!! :)
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='84243' dateline='1454719201'photos
or just a teaser!!!! :)
Please find your grades below:
33266621
409743
1966(L) 20C Wavy "2"
MS63
Australia
I have noticed something a little Odd on the PCGS website.
I have a 1901 Maundy 3d that is graded PL66.
It has this grade on the slab and it is graded as such in my set registry, But when I look at the pop report there is the image of my coin with a grade of MS66.
I am wondering why they have done this as MS and PL are 2 different coin types and I am supposing that a MS66 1901 3d would be considered to be a circulation strike and not a Maundy coin?
Quote from: 'runway' pid='84225' dateline='1454672492'1966 20c wavy 2 PCGS MS63 arrived today
Congratulations Peter on a great result.A very desirable coin in this grade
Quote from: 'runway' pid='84268' dateline='1454767288'Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='84243' dateline='1454719201'photos
or just a teaser!!!! :)
Please find your grades below:
33266621
409743
1966(L) 20C Wavy "2"
MS63
Australia
sorry I don't know about this
other posters just pop that pcgs photo in the post
it would be lovely to see such a high grade example
It is strange why another $5 wasn't spent to get the secure option with the imaging for this coin.
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/33266621
Quote from: 'trout' pid='84295' dateline='1454812327'It is strange why another $5 wasn't spent to get the secure option with the imaging for this coin.
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/33266621
Probably because it's not for sale
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='84305' dateline='1454823148'Quote from: 'trout' pid='84295' dateline='1454812327'It is strange why another $5 wasn't spent to get the secure option with the imaging for this coin.
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/33266621
Probably because it's not for sale
You get a lot more than just the images with the "secure" option :ok:
http://www.pcgs.com/secure/
Quote from: 'trout' pid='84295' dateline='1454812327'It is strange why another $5 wasn't spent to get the secure option with the imaging for this coin.
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/33266621
It's strange how you think I don't bother paying $5 extra for imaging ... why would anyone even bother ... slabbing is expensive enough as it is :dodgy:
no worries for me for the secure photo
just grab yer camera and post a pic
the coins sounds spectacular
and all it willl cost is some of your time
QuoteStill a week to go mate so I hope you get a bit more interest in it as they sell for
$150+ in the card and this one is a decent grade
http://www.numisbid.com.au/Browse/2015_One_Dollar_PCGS_MS67/25119
I still haven't got any indication that my last 3 submissions have been received by PCGS.
I will give it another week before I ask the Post Office about this.
There are 4 of my Maundy sets in these submissions and it would be heart breaking to loose these.
My submissions finally showed up after 3 weeks, It normally takes 7-10 days and sometimes even faster.
That's good news, a big sigh of relief I'd imagine.
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='84409' dateline='1455142252'That's good news, a big sigh of relief I'd imagine.
You betchya, it took me ages to find those Maundy coins in that sort of condition.
Just got an 1884-M Shield Sov back in MS64 (Ex Quartermaster) and a 1934 proof penny back in PR63RB, both exactly the grades I expected. :)
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='84444' dateline='1455231945'Just got an 1884-M Shield Sov back in MS64 (Ex Quartermaster) and a 1934 proof penny back in PR63RB, both exactly the grades I expected. :)
Very Very Nice.
Can you post the cert #'s so that we can look at the PCGS images :)
33534119 & 33534120
Certs aren't up yet
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='84446' dateline='1455234166'33534119 & 33534120
Certs aren't up yet
Thanks Mate :good:
The images are now up, Stunning coins Mate :drooling:
That Proof penny is an absolute Corker :good:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/walter_84_sov.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/walter_34_1d.jpg)
Latest result for me I'm happy to say is a beauty.Pictures to follow
Wow
Am I allowed to swear???
Did you buy this as a proof?
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='84924' dateline='1456462111'Wow
Am I allowed to swear???
Did you buy this as a proof?
It's actually not mine, the owner purchased it (as a proof) from the Rare Coin Company. I did verify it is a genuine proof strike before accepting it.
Latest result is a PR63 and looks good in the photos
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/28566882_large.jpg)
Ok the coin is just spectacular without a doubt!!
but more important things ... your mailbox is full Steve
I wanted to message you about more mulberry plants!
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='84933' dateline='1456478843'Ok the coin is just spectacular without a doubt!!
but more important things ... your mailbox is full Steve
I wanted to message you about more mulberry plants!
I emptied the mailbox but I guess it takes time to catchup
yep
good
and then you have to empty the trash bin
took me a while to learn that as well
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='84935' dateline='1456479886'yep
good
and then you have to empty the trash bin
took me a while to learn that as well
Ok old messages deleted
ha ha
now back to the serious business of beautiful coins !!!!
QuoteI emptied the mailbox but I guess it takes time to catchup
You probably have to empty the deleted box as well. :angel:
A couple more which I hope will do as good as the one above
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/a_28900x37129.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/b_28900x39029.jpg)
They are beautiful stevo
Nice result Steve :good:
The surfaces on that coin on the right look amazing.:yahoo:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='84948' dateline='1456519405'Nice result Steve :good:
The surfaces on that coin on the right look amazing.:yahoo:
You should see it in hand .It is impossible to take a photo
that will do it justice
Such wonderful coins Stevo!
I can't recall you telling us all that you'd won lotto? :laugh2:
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='84959' dateline='1456537494'Such wonderful coins Stevo!
I can't recall you telling us all that you'd won lotto? :laugh2:
They weren't really that expensive in comparison to what they should have cost me but it seems that all eyes were elsewhere at the time the auction was running
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='84958' dateline='1456536943'It is impossible to take a photo that will do it justice
I can totally relate to that at the moment, I've had 11 coins on my desk for the past fortnight and am still trying to get some "good enough to create a thread" pics. (Bloody shiny coins!! :laugh2:) (Not that it will be any thing as exciting as your 34/35's, but it is enough to amuse a crazy unicorn).
Hey Folks,
I went bit of a raw coin shopping spree.. Could I please get some of your expert opinion on the potential coin grades ? First lot will be 3 florins.. 1954, 1957 and 1962..
https://www.flickr.com/photos/124691928@N05/24740584814/in/dateposted/ (1962)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/124691928@N05/25278091201/in/photostream/ (1962)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/124691928@N05/24740470814/in/photostream/ (1957)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/124691928@N05/25371064375/in/photostream/ (1957)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/124691928@N05/24744328723/in/photostream/ (1954)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/124691928@N05/24740377884/in/photostream/ (1954)
As a side note off the coins were graded GEM UNC by the seller ...
Thank you for your help ..
The 1941 is very nice and hard to get that good, the others are all OK but nowhere near GEM UNC with problems such as scratches on the queens face.
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='85080' dateline='1456743122'The 1941 is very nice and hard to get that good, the others are all OK but nowhere near GEM UNC with problems such as scratches on the queens face.
Thanks Neal, 1941 has gone to plastic factory already. Other 3 coins I received today..
I've gotta say, I have never seen such wonderful pictures! Thumbs up PCGS, keep up the GREAT work! LOL!
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/31854028
Quote from: 'matttheriley' pid='85342' dateline='1457374206'I've gotta say, I have never seen such wonderful pictures! Thumbs up PCGS, keep up the GREAT work! LOL!
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/31854028
Mechanical damage :angel:
This is what you used to get for the extra $5 in a "Secure" submission.
For the extra $5 you now get this :good:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1858_qa5.jpg)
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='85077' dateline='1456740921'Hey Folks,
I went bit of a raw coin shopping spree.. Could I please get some of your expert opinion on the potential coin grades ? First lot will be 3 florins.. 1954, 1957 and 1962..
https://www.flickr.com/photos/124691928@N05/24740584814/in/dateposted/ (1962)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/124691928@N05/25278091201/in/photostream/ (1962)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/124691928@N05/24740470814/in/photostream/ (1957)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/124691928@N05/25371064375/in/photostream/ (1957)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/124691928@N05/24744328723/in/photostream/ (1954)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/124691928@N05/24740377884/in/photostream/ (1954)
As a side note off the coins were graded GEM UNC by the seller ...
Thank you for your help ..
For what it's worth, IMHO I wouldn't call them gem as there are too many contacts. It looks like they have spent some time housed in 2X2's and stored in soft plastic pages where the PVC has leaked through the mylar. A soak in acetone for a day or two should help :angel:
I like the 1921 3 pence!
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='85348' dateline='1457397195'Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='85077' dateline='1456740921'Hey Folks,
I went bit of a raw coin shopping spree.. Could I please get some of your expert opinion on the potential coin grades ? First lot will be 3 florins.. 1954, 1957 and 1962..
https://www.flickr.com/photos/124691928@N05/24740584814/in/dateposted/ (1962)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/124691928@N05/25278091201/in/photostream/ (1962)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/124691928@N05/24740470814/in/photostream/ (1957)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/124691928@N05/25371064375/in/photostream/ (1957)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/124691928@N05/24744328723/in/photostream/ (1954)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/124691928@N05/24740377884/in/photostream/ (1954)
As a side note off the coins were graded GEM UNC by the seller ...
Thank you for your help ..
For what it's worth, IMHO I wouldn't call them gem as there are too many contacts. It looks like they have spent some time housed in 2X2's and stored in soft plastic pages where the PVC has leaked through the mylar. A soak in acetone for a day or two should help :angel:
Thanks mate, the 3 florins went back to where it came from .... I wanted them to grade at a level to make sure it is worth what I have paid for them... So hunt continues :dodgy:
Quote from: 'matttheriley' pid='85349' dateline='1457397819'I like the 1921 3 pence!
It is probably an AU 58 or so...
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='85356' dateline='1457416718'Quote from: 'matttheriley' pid='85349' dateline='1457397819'I like the 1921 3 pence!
It is probably an AU 58 or so...
Still prettier than some MS coins! Buy the coin, not the holder, right? It's nice!
Quote from: 'matttheriley' pid='85398' dateline='1457476643'Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='85356' dateline='1457416718'Quote from: 'matttheriley' pid='85349' dateline='1457397819'I like the 1921 3 pence!
It is probably an AU 58 or so...
Still prettier than some MS coins! Buy the coin, not the holder, right? It's nice!
True :wavemulticolor:
I sent 3 submissions in the same package to PCGS a while ago .
One submission has already been graded and delivered back to me the other two are still awaiting grading.
The one that I have back had a green "RUSH" sticker on it, I have never seen one of these before.
I wonder why this particular submission was graded so fast, Has anyone else seen one of these stickers on a blue box?
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/pcgs~0.jpg)
James ...
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='85658' dateline='1458037901'James ...
Nothing wrong with James, It is an Honest and Noble name and anyway I didn't choose it Mum did :):angel:
This is a bit strange :angel:
http://www.pcgs.com/Pop/ValueView.aspx?s=592419
Heh, I know a bloke who would love that rooster!!
Quote from: 'trout' pid='85807' dateline='1458352991'This is a bit strange :angel:
Just another PCGS mishap. This is the PR70DC coin:
(http://images.pcgs.com/TrueView/33786572_large.jpg)
As I am relatively new to getting my coins graded by a TPG, This is only my 4th year of submitting coins to PCGS and yet I still get "Toey" when the submission has been with PCGS for 3 weeks or so and check them every day after that time.
I have gotten into the habit of writing down what I think a coin will grade on my copy of the submission form and it is still exciting for me to see how my grades compare to what the PCGS grades are when I eventually get the results.
I hope that this "Novelty" never wears off because foe Me the anticipation waiting for the grading results is a large part of the appeal with sending my coins into PCGS.
Am I alone with this or does the novelty and excitement wear off over time ??
Quote from: 'trout' pid='85867' dateline='1458502821'As I am relatively new to getting my coins graded by a TPG, This is only my 4th year of submitting coins to PCGS and yet I still get "Toey" when the submission has been with PCGS for 3 weeks or so and check them every day after that time.
I have gotten into the habit of writing down what I think a coin will grade on my copy of the submission form and it is still exciting for me to see how my grades compare to what the PCGS grades are when I eventually get the results.
I hope that this "Novelty" never wears off because foe Me the anticipation waiting for the grading results is a large part of the appeal with sending my coins into PCGS.
Am I alone with this or does the novelty and excitement wear off over time ??
It is still exciting but when you send your coins through a dealer and you have no idea when they arrived at PCGS or at what stage they are at you tend to forget about them after the first few months but it is certainly exciting to get the results and anticipate having them in your hands again
I love this coin despite its low au 58 grade
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/1917_3d.jpg)
It's a pity we can't get a AU58+ grade because this one is a stunner.
Gorgeous toning :good:
Yes nice coin even though low grade :)
A 1917 3d in AU58 is nothing to be sneezed at and they are pretty "Tough" to find this good.
I would personaly prefer an attractivly toned coin like this in AU58 to a blast white MS60-62 coin anyday. :ok:
I'm happy with anything, beggars can't be choosers :winkextra:
I think that coin looks MS64.. I have a 1921, very nice tone, may be I might get it graded.. it will be an AU 58..
It does have a few flat points AP like 6 beads and the star looks a bit flat but maybe should have got a higher grade, are these know to have a weak strike as that might explain it.
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='86349' dateline='1459253323'It does have a few flat points AP like 6 beads and the star looks a bit flat but maybe should have got a higher grade, are these know to have a weak strike as that might explain it.
Thanks AJ... However just have a look at the MS65 in this Pop report... :angel:
http://images.pcgs.com/CoinFacts/26648017_32294999_2200.jpg
Yes sometimes it's hard to see how they come up with their grades, must be like buying a car and you don't want a monday or friday one :winkextra:
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='86350' dateline='1459253904'Thanks AJ... However just have a look at the MS65 in this Pop report... :angel:
Buy the coin not the holder? This statement is usually made in reference to over-grading. In this case its under-graded. Either way its cold comfort, I'm sure.
Latest pickup from Smalls Auction today.Hopefully there will be a few gradable coins
in this lot
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/1966.jpg)
Nice score, I hope they are not too bagged up :good:
The general appearance is good. Please show us a few of the better ones when you have sorted them. And, any strong double bars.
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='86482' dateline='1459579919'The general appearance is good. Please show us a few of the better ones when you have sorted them. And, any strong double bars.
Will do Jeff.They did have a photo of one of the coins in this lot
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/1966b~0.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/1966a~0.jpg)
Very attractive coin that one.
Was thinking of getting this one regraded but would be interested in opinions as to
what it might achieve
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/1927a_28629x65029.jpg) (http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/1927b_28611x65029.jpg)
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='87709' dateline='1461324750'Was thinking of getting this one regraded but would be interested in opinions as to
what it might achieve
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/1927a_28629x65029.jpg) (http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/1927b_28611x65029.jpg)
Is this in MS63 holder now ? Looks MS63 to me... ( I am hopeless at grading so dont take it personally:angel:)
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='87710' dateline='1461326227'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='87709' dateline='1461324750'Was thinking of getting this one regraded but would be interested in opinions as to
what it might achieve
Is this in MS63 holder now ? Looks MS63 to me... ( I am hopeless at grading so dont take it personally:angel:)
Yes it is but looking at it in hand I thought it might have a good
chance at an upgrade
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='87711' dateline='1461326464'Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='87710' dateline='1461326227'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='87709' dateline='1461324750'Was thinking of getting this one regraded but would be interested in opinions as to
what it might achieve
Is this in MS63 holder now ? Looks MS63 to me... ( I am hopeless at grading so dont take it personally:angel:)
Yes it is but looking at it in hand I thought it might have a good
chance at an upgrade
May be worth a shot, I saw some marks on kings face and emu's feathers... hence the MS63 grade... I spoke to Eric yesterday, he has a special going on with grading at the moment so might as well get it done...
I suspect the state of the dies (rusty) may prevent a higher grade.
But its worth a try.
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='86482' dateline='1459579919'The general appearance is good. Please show us a few of the better ones when you have sorted them. And, any strong double bars.
These 2 were the pick of the bunch
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/1~1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/2~1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/3~1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/4~1.jpg)
Is anyone else having dramas logging on to the PCGS website at the moment ?
Quote from: 'trout' pid='88604' dateline='1463101233'Is anyone else having dramas logging on to the PCGS website at the moment ?
No problems from the North East
Its not working here in the Midwest, can only get cached pages via cloud.
Not working for me in northern NSW.
It's probably all the new Gold Merc's getting graded that is bogging the system along with all the rest of the Bullion coins the yanks love to get slabbed :angel::dash1:
Still working for me no problem but my computer is hooked up to the NBN
Its back again - PCGS does seem to "dropout" from time to time but it usually comes back online pretty quick. Which is good for me because I refer to about 100 times per day.
It is sort of working now , I just cant see any of my orders :(
The only thing I can think of is they have received the three submissions I sent a week-10 days ago and have "Fluffed" it when adding them to my orders list.
This wouldn't be the first time this has happened to me :cray:
I have a submission that is due to be graded any day now and it is frustrating not being able to check up on it .
I still can't see my order history.
Can you Guys see yours at the bottom of the Membership page ?
Try waiting 12 weeks then see how that goes
Quote from: 'runway' pid='88672' dateline='1463143034'Try waiting 12 weeks then see how that goes
I have sent 46 submissions (6-700 coins) to PCGS since 2013, For Me the wait Never gets any easier :dash1::angel:
I wonder how this one will grade
MS63-64 , That large scratch on the emu will hurt the grade on this one.
Otherwise MS66
Dont know much about grading decimals but my guess is at least 64 on the 73 50 cent.
Photo of the 23 threepence is not good enough to grade from.
Maybe 62 on a good day, probably 58.
What happened to that rather nice 1973 50 cents ?:(
I can't see it either
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='90485' dateline='1465731658'I can't see it either
It had a really nice obverse and like trout said, there was a scratch on the bird.
I have bought this coin from a very reputable source and have looked up the cert# on PCGS and it isn't in the database.
This is a bit strange as the coin looks to be in a "Secure" holder.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ebay_coin.jpg)
Quote from: 'trout' pid='91137' dateline='1466471616'I have bought this coin from a very reputable source and have looked up the cert# on PCGS and it isn't in the database.
This is a bit strange as the coin looks to be in a "Secure" holder.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ebay_coin.jpg)
That can happen .... I have had similar experience. If you back to your dealer, he can fix it in few days...
I had the same thing happen (and I think it might have been the same dealer). At first I tried to get PCGS to fix it but they said the coin had to go back as a "mechanical error re-submission". Instead, I took it back to the dealer and he gave me a refund. I'm not sure what happened with the coin after that.
QuoteI had the same thing happen (and I think it might have been the same dealer). At first I tried to get PCGS to fix it but they said the coin had to go back as a "mechanical error re-submission". Instead, I took it back to the dealer and he gave me a refund. I'm not sure what happened with the coin after that.
I am pretty sure that they will fix up the "Mechanical error" Stuff ups free of charge, I am not sure about the postage though and just sending 1 coin will cost about $20 to get there and $69.47 USD to get it back.
I you have to pay the postage costs it becomes quite an expensive "FREE" fix for a stuff up PCGS made in the first place :dodgy:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='91151' dateline='1466481163'a stuff up PCGS made
Has an all too familiar ring to it.
Try emailing them, maybe they can fix it without the coin in hand.
Quote from: 'r9453' pid='91162' dateline='1466486201'Quote from: 'trout' pid='91151' dateline='1466481163'a stuff up PCGS made
Has an all too familiar ring to it.
Try emailing them, maybe they can fix it without the coin in hand.
Worth a shot I suppose :ok:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='91163' dateline='1466487281'Quote from: 'r9453' pid='91162' dateline='1466486201'Quote from: 'trout' pid='91151' dateline='1466481163'a stuff up PCGS made
Has an all too familiar ring to it.
Try emailing them, maybe they can fix it without the coin in hand.
Worth a shot I suppose :ok:
Not sure you missed my post above Trout. As I said best option is to ask the dealer. Up to you what you do.
QuoteNot sure you missed my post above Trout. As I said best option is to ask the dealer. Up to you what you do.
Sorry Mate, I did miss that :angel:
As I got this at a very good price I don't think it would be fair to burden the dealer I bought this from with the extra expense of fixing this up for Me.
I have emailed PCGS asking for a solution to this, Maybe they simply forgot to add the cert# to the database when the coin was graded and they MAY be able to fix this without me having to send the coin back.
If this fails I think that I will simply crack the coin out and send it back for grading with one of my future submissions as this will probably be the most cost efficient way of doing this :ok:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='91178' dateline='1466496637'QuoteNot sure you missed my post above Trout. As I said best option is to ask the dealer. Up to you what you do.
Sorry Mate, I did miss that :angel:
As I got this at a very good price I don't think it would be fair to burden the dealer I bought this from with the extra expense of fixing this up for Me.
I have emailed PCGS asking for a solution to this, Maybe they simply forgot to add the cert# to the database when the coin was graded and they MAY be able to fix this without me having to send the coin back.
If this fails I think that I will simply crack the coin out and send it back for grading with one of my future submissions as this will probably be the most cost efficient way of doing this :ok:
Cool mate.. no worries... it is actually no burden for the dealer and easier for them to fix than you ate trying to get it fixed with PCGS. I have tried that and failed miserably .... PCGS will ask you to send the coin etc.. but if you ask the dealer, it wil be 3 days ... I have done this with Walter and Chris... they had no issue getting it fixed...
I will see what PCGS has to say and if that isn't helpful I will send Chris an email :ok:
Looking at the PCGS listing today I noticed that no one has established an id for the 2010 Rotated 50c despite it being an easily identifiable error (as is the incuse which is identified) and is not subject to variances such as the 2001 $1 Fed.
I still have my last two 2010 rotateds which are both higher grades so just wondering what peoples thoughts are and if anyone has considered having it added?
You could submit it as a "Mint error" submission.
Here is the cost breakdown for you.
Postage costs to the US about $20
Submission fees $60 USD for the mint error submission plus $5 USD for the mandatory secure option for World coins.
$8 USD handling charge
Return postage of $69.47 USD
Total cost in AUD of $209.58 at todays exchange rate and this is if you send the submission yourself, If sent through a dealer the costs will be higher :ok:
:laugh2: .... Thanks Trout ..... no wonder it's not ....."ön the list".
not sure if a rotated die error is an actual die variety
just more of a error as obviously the die was set at the wrong spot or something like that?
whereas say, the incused, it was the wrong die for the circulation strike so it is consequently a die variety of the year or something like that :blush:
True RG that could well be the reason. :good:
What about the double bar varieties as they've been around for a bloody long time now and I couldn't find it at pcgs :scratch_one-s_head:
That's a great point AJ since they are a true die variety. :good:
Ooop's my mistake the double bar is now on pcgs but there's only two 79's and one 80 but no 1966 or tilted 7 1970 50 cent in the varieties.
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='92143' dateline='1467872702'What about the double bar varieties as they've been around for a bloody long time now and I couldn't find it at pcgs :scratch_one-s_head:
What are you talking about, here is my top of pops
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/33761328
Very nice Serial! :good:
Gee, perhaps when I get out of this nightmare I might get time and have the funds to have some coins slabbed. (Thanks be to Trout for his generous offer in a previous instance).
One day I ..... will ...... get there.
Look at my posts serial and you'll see I said I made a mistake :P
Yes trout will help anyone unlike others.
No prob.
The 79's are hard to find in this grade, I was hunting for awhile to get the 2 I got
Quote from: 'serial' pid='92152' dateline='1467878230'No prob.
The 79's are hard to find in this grade, I was hunting for awhile to get the 2 I got
Finding one of these in Mint state is tough enough , To find one at this grade is an outstanding achievement.
Well Done :good:
I think I did extremely well getting one from the pond that went MS65 so pretty good considering it cost me face value :yahoo: but yes a 66 would be sweeter :)
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='92156' dateline='1467882479'I think I did extremely well getting one from the pond that went MS65 so pretty good considering it cost me face value :yahoo: but yes a 66 would be sweeter :)
Did they designate that as a double bar or did they just put MS65 on the slab, I can't remember Mate :)
Just MS65 but still happy, here's the cert link
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/32404983
if you click on the pic you can clearly see the double bar :)
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='92159' dateline='1467886967'Just MS65 but still happy, here's the cert link
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/32404983
if you click on the pic you can clearly see the double bar :)
I remember that one now, The bars are very well defined :yahoo:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='92135' dateline='1467862957'You could submit it as a "Mint error" submission.
Here is the cost breakdown for you.
Postage costs to the US about $20
Submission fees $60 USD for the mint error submission plus $5 USD for the mandatory secure option for World coins.
$8 USD handling charge
Return postage of $69.47 USD
Total cost in AUD of $209.58 at todays exchange rate and this is if you send the submission yourself, If sent through a dealer the costs will be higher :ok:
Really ?
:good:
It must have been just shy of a 66 but probably should have got a + :)
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='92156' dateline='1467882479'I think I did extremely well getting one from the pond that went MS65 so pretty good considering it cost me face value :yahoo: but yes a 66 would be sweeter :)
That's a brilliant coin to come out of the pond AJ, nice work Mate. :good: Was it in more recent times or back around 1980 when you first started collecting :angel: :biggrin:
I sort of collected as a kid but then I didn't start again until about the 2000 mark auto and found this one about 3 maybe 4 years ago :) I see pcgs has my coin as their 1979 ms65 example
http://www.pcgs.com/pop/valueview.aspx?s=114299
I got a bag one day and someone had cleared out their collection and about 1/2 the bag had from 1969 to about 1983 and a heap of nice coins, Stevo actually got a few off me a little while ago :friends:
Just funnin AJ, hope I didn't appear to be doubting you Mate :angel: That was excellent work to find one so late in the peace. Just goes to show if we keep dipping in who knows what's to be found, especially when others can often cash in their chips for whatever reason. :drinks:
All good auto :good: Yes you never know what you might find :winkextra: But still can't find a bloody mule :(
nice looking coin AJ
i always have had a soft spot for the fity cent
Thanks RG, I like noodling the 50 cent the most as they're easier to handle being so big :)
QuoteBut still can't find a bloody mule
Every now and then one of these are still pulled out of circulation, Admittedly they are getting scarcer to find due to all the publicity But they are still out there Mate.
Don't give up just yet :ok:
Nah, never but I won't hold my breath :)
Has anyone recently had a submission done by NGC ?
I noticed on the NGC site that they have the plastic cases similar to the PCGS blue box for sale at $8 each and am wondering if these are used now for return submissions instead of those crappy cardboard things that they used a couple of years ago.
Well Finally after 45 working days PCGS have taken money out of my credit card account, Still NO grading results yet and I find that a bit strange as I normally get the results first then I notice the fee has been deducted from my account.
Maybe the pencil pushers at PCGS are battling to keep up with the pace :angel:
At least there is some sort of movement happening at long last.
Patience grasshopper :mocking:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='92611' dateline='1468629925'Patience grasshopper :mocking:
False alarm :dash1: The payment taken was the auto renewal for my membership fees :blush:
See, calm down mate they'll take your money and sooner...or later you'll get your coins :good:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='92639' dateline='1468643725'See, calm down mate they'll take your money and sooner...or later you'll get your coins :good:
PCGS should grade coins submitted by us old farts faster, Don't they realise that the older we get the more Cranky we become. :angel:
:laugh2: and dinner should be at 3.30 on the dot :angel:
Then it's Dad and Dave at 7 O'Clock followed by Green Bottle and War Correspondent, then off to bed with the sparrows :good::biggrin:
This is the start of week 10 for a couple of submissions I have awaiting grading.
Hopefully I may get some results this week :angel:
Only 20 weeks to go :angel:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='92806' dateline='1468838490'Only 20 weeks to go :angel:
I hear that Gold coin submissions may take a bit longer than regular submissions :angel:
Well stop sending gold coins :)
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='92812' dateline='1468840185'Well stop sending gold coins :)
Aren't Pagoa's Gold :)
That they are, mine will be on the way to sydney soon and then to the plastic factory :yahoo:
Lucky I'm in no rush just as long as I get them back and they get pretty good grades but then again it doesn't really worry me as I won't be selling them in a hurry. It's more just to prove they are what they are and to protect them :good:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='92642' dateline='1468644064'PCGS should grade coins submitted by us old farts faster, Don't they realise that the older we get the more Cranky we become. :angel:
Not only that, we get closer to dropping off the twig.
QuoteNot only that, we get closer to dropping off the twig.
HeHe
Ain't that the truth
The regular and economy turnaround times are starting to return to normal levels at last :good:
The Modern and express turnaround times are still way up there.
At long last (48 working days) one of my submissions has finally been graded, Hopefully the other one will be done soon as well :yahoo:
I just received a whole bunch of notifications from PCGS telling me my Trueview images are ready to download, The thing is I didn't order any trueview images with that particular submission so I don't know what has happened here.
This is from a submission that was finalised last Month.
There is NO need to pay the extra $10 per coin as you get the trueview images for free with a "Secure" submission now anyway.
If I get charged for this I will be pretty Miffed as I didn't authorise it when I sent the submission in.
That's interesting what you say about the $10 images being free with a Secure submission. I did not know that, clearly I need to do some more homework. I thought all submissions were now secure but when I did my research I got the impression that if I wanted images I would pay $10 for them.
Quote from: 'r9453' pid='92966' dateline='1469034364'That's interesting what you say about the $10 images being free with a Secure submission. I did not know that, clearly I need to do some more homework. I thought all submissions were now secure but when I did my research I got the impression that if I wanted images I would pay $10 for them.
PCGS started to supply trueview images with a secure submission halfway through last year.
Prior to that the images that were supplied were pretty awful and sometimes only half of the coin was imaged, sometimes not at all.
It was quite a welcome change when it was first brought in :good:
Yes, I understand the history of PCGS images and the Trueview are great. From memory the Trueview images are listed on the submission form at a cost of $10US so I factored that out when trying to work out the cheapest price. I guess I will know more when and if I get my coins back but I am not expecting any images.
Funnily enough my latest submission doesn't have the trueview images , maybe PCGS hasn't finished them yet or they have discontinued supplying them with the Secure submissions.
I haven't heard anything about the service being discontinued so hopefully they are just behind a bit.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='92972' dateline='1469037707'maybe PCGS hasn't finished them yet or they have discontinued supplying them with the Secure submissions.
This is what I was getting at. Weren't the Trueview images originally $5 and now $10 which is a 100% price hike but not surprising coming from PCGS.
QuoteI haven't heard anything about the service being discontinued so hopefully they are just behind a bit.
I hope you are correct but my impression is that you don't get the images unless you pay the extra $10US - I hope I'm wrong.
Quote from: 'r9453' pid='92973' dateline='1469038803'Quote from: 'trout' pid='92972' dateline='1469037707'maybe PCGS hasn't finished them yet or they have discontinued supplying them with the Secure submissions.
This is what I was getting at. Weren't the Trueview images originally $5 and now $10 which is a 100% price hike but not surprising coming from PCGS.
QuoteI haven't heard anything about the service being discontinued so hopefully they are just behind a bit.
I hope you are correct but my impression is that you don't get the images unless you pay the extra $10US - I hope I'm wrong.
The $5 surcharge for the secure option which is compulsory for non modern world submissions has always been there as far as I am aware.
PCGS just decided to replace the crappy old image types with the trueview ones.
I really enjoy the new images especially for my toned coins as they show the colours far better than I can achieve with my camera skills.
I should have added that I was referring to pre-decimals which must come under category 5.d and presumably include the images:
(http://i.imgur.com/J5tmksv.jpg)
As far as I can tell the trueview is still provided with the secure submissions :good:
If your coins are valued under $300 then you can send them World Economy for $20 a pop +$5 for the secure fee plus postage and the $10 handling fee.
If they are between $300-3000 then you will have to use the regular submission option at $32 a coin plus all the rest of the costs.
It pays NOT to undervalue your coins as if there is any problems you will only get your declared value as compensation.
I don't need to undervalue my coins. In the end I did not make my own submission, I went with a dealer but I assume they would have gone as "World Economy for $20 a pop + $5 for the secure fee plus postage and the $10 handling fee." So, maybe I will be pleasantly surprised and get Trueview images but at this stage I would settle for just the coins.
Quotemaybe I will be pleasantly surprised and get Trueview images but at this stage I would settle for just the coins.
Yes these extended turnaround times of late are very annoying, The times have reduced somewhat on the PCGS website But that hasn't been reflected on the ground.
There have been a few World submissions graded as of late so there IS some light at the end of the tunnel for our submissions getting finalised.
I have been told by PCGS that my last submission will be finalised by the end of this week or next week , So yours shouldn't be too far away from getting done hopefully.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='92993' dateline='1469064043'So yours shouldn't be too far away from getting done hopefully.
Thanks for the positive vibes, I will be sure to report back here when its done. :ok:
I have been looking through my graded one dollar silver proofs and I have noticed that some of the coins are developing Purple/blue toning on the edges of the coins, similar to the toning often found on the "Dump" in the holey dollar and dump sets.
They have been stored in an inert folder held in lighthouse slab pages, It doesn't appear to be a PVC problem as it is purple/electric blue toning and not that nasty green muck.
This is the first time I have noticed this happening to coins in PCGs slabs.
All the toned coins were graded in the same submission on 31/7/14 and I am wondering if they picked up something at PCGS before they were encapsulated ?
I will post a couple of images later :ok:
These were all issued by the RAM in capsules, right? How were they stored between removal from the capsules and being submitted in 2014? I have about 60 of these stored in saflips, so far so good.
Quote from: 'r9453' pid='93044' dateline='1469131986'These were all issued by the RAM in capsules, right? How were they stored between removal from the capsules and being submitted in 2014? I have about 60 of these stored in saflips, so far so good.
I put the entire set together over a period of 6-12 months.
As I acquired each coin I removed it from its capsule and placed it into saflips which in turn were stored in PP 20 coin pages ready for submission.
There were 63 x 25mm silver proofs in the submission I sent and have been adding the odd new coin as it is issued since.
There are a few Whitman and Dansco albums of US coins in the same drawer in the filing cabinet, The Silver coins in these albums don't seem to be adversely affected though.
The toning on the silver dollars appears to be originating from the edges of the coins and as the graders at PCGS don't wear gloves (For Obvious reasons) I am thinking maybe one of them had something on his/her fingers.
The toning is a little distracting But not totally unpleasant and some of the coins are over 20 years old so I imagine that Silver will do what it naturally does I suppose.
I got an email notification the other day from PCGS letting me know that they are going "digital" with their membership subscription renewals.
So instead of getting a big envelope with a few submission forms, advertising paraphernalia and the free subscriptions voucher, these will be sent via email now starting today.
They still have to send me my Polo shirt via snail mail though :)
I usually save up the Gold coins that I want to have graded using the free submissions as you can go up to $3,000 in value with a regular submission :good:
I just found this one on the shared submissions page, Looks like heaps of "Mechanical" errors in this submission.
https://www.pcgs.com/Membership/sharedorder.aspx?OrderNo=21065264&Year=2016&Month=7
So, will my coins eventually appear on this shared submissions page and that will be my first opportunity to see the results? I presume the dealer will have to notify me which one it is otherwise I'll never find it.
Now about the TrueView images, this coin was in a submission dated 2016/05/13 but there is no image:
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/81050007
EDIT: I just remembered there may be a delay before the True View images appear on the website.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='93107' dateline='1469220345'I just found this one on the shared submissions page, Looks like heaps of "Mechanical" errors in this submission.
https://www.pcgs.com/Membership/sharedorder.aspx?OrderNo=21065264&Year=2016&Month=7
This submission belongs to Geoffrey Heidemann (Cockatoo Coins)
I was talking to Geoff, he told me that submission was concurrent with mine which does not bode well. He said, "... (with 18 errors in it) mules graded as standard $1's, missing SD's as normals, incused as standard. Needless to say I'm a touch annoyed with them. Called to have them fixed but got told to take photos once they are back and they will let me know what to do. Likely another 2 month turnaround no doubt."
Quote from: 'r9453' pid='93114' dateline='1469236049'I was talking to Geoff, he told me that submission was concurrent with mine which does not bode well. He said, "... (with 18 errors in it) mules graded as standard $1's, missing SD's as normals, incused as standard. Needless to say I'm a touch annoyed with them. Called to have them fixed but got told to take photos once they are back and they will let me know what to do. Likely another 2 month turnaround no doubt."
The way that submission was put together makes me think it was his customers coins and he was the acting Agent.
This sort of stuff up by PCGS is the Last thing ANY dealer needs and It will only make him look bad in the eyes of his customers, How on earth does PCGS repair that sort of Damage??
It looks to me that PCGS is getting "Snowed Under" and is starting to rush things and make mistakes lately .
Quote from: 'trout' pid='93115' dateline='1469246823'Quote from: 'r9453' pid='93114' dateline='1469236049'I was talking to Geoff, he told me that submission was concurrent with mine which does not bode well. He said, "... (with 18 errors in it) mules graded as standard $1's, missing SD's as normals, incused as standard. Needless to say I'm a touch annoyed with them. Called to have them fixed but got told to take photos once they are back and they will let me know what to do. Likely another 2 month turnaround no doubt."
The way that submission was put together makes me think it was his customers coins and he was the acting Agent.
This sort of stuff up by PCGS is the Last thing ANY dealer needs and It will only make him look bad in the eyes of his customers, How on earth does PCGS repair that sort of Damage??
It looks to me that PCGS is getting "Snowed Under" and is starting to rush things and make mistakes lately .
He sent his submission in without the PCGS ID numbers for each coin so it's not PCGS's fault completely
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='93116' dateline='1469247805'He sent his submission in without the PCGS ID numbers for each coin so it's not PCGS's fault completely
Yes, PCGS should still get it right but why leave it to chance? Adding the PCGS numbers does take a little bit of extra work but it is the attention to detail that pays off. Hopefully not too much room for confusion with my pre-decs.
QuoteHe sent his submission in without the PCGS ID numbers for each coin so it's not PCGS's fault completely
If it has gotten to the point where we have to tell the graders exactly what a coin is then we are wasting our money.
I rarely add the coin number to a submission and in the past I haven't had a problem.
When I send Specimen Captain Cooks I DO add the coin number also I add to the description as well, even after doing that on the last submission they still got it wrong.
If PCGS fail to get the attribution correct for a coin then what guarantee do we have that they have got the Grade correct as well ???
It is starting to look like the "Apprentice's" are doing the grading now at PCGS and we are the ones paying for their education :dash1:
QuoteNow about the TrueView images, this coin was in a submission dated 2016/05/13 but there is no image:
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/81050007
That is one of Mine.
I think it is a three stepper but it has been that long I have forgotten which coin I sent now :angel:
Normally the images are available within 24-48 hrs But it looks like there is a Bottleneck in the imaging department as well as the grading department at the moment :dash1:
This is another Canberra Florin that was graded AU58 from the submission prior to this one.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/AU58_Canberra.jpg)
After 4 days my NGC submission has moved up to "Scheduled for Grading".
The turnaround for World Modern at NGC is apparently 15 working days,
This is 32 days faster than the PCGS estimate at the moment, So lets see how NGC preforms.
Wrong thread? If the turnaround is 32 days faster then NGC is already outperforming PCGS. How many coins did you send?
Quote from: 'r9453' pid='93430' dateline='1469826673'Wrong thread? If the turnaround is 32 days faster then NGC is already outperforming PCGS. How many coins did you send?
I only sent 7 coins in this submission to "Test the Waters" so to speak as I haven't had a coin graded by NGC since 2013.
I sent the coins out of an "in come the dollars/cents" set and a specimen Captain Cook coin, lets see how they go with these and if they can live up to their turnaround time estimates.
I am tempted to send a Wedding Set to them to be graded to see if they will attribute these differently to the circulation strikes for the same year.
I have had NO luck in 3 years with PCGS getting these attributed for what they are so maybe it may be worth giving NGC a Crack at them.
I haven't seen a PCGS image in this sort of format before, What is the go here?
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/80296552
Quote from: 'trout' pid='93489' dateline='1469908927'I haven't seen a PCGS image in this sort of format before, What is the go here?
I've seen another image like that, it looks like a cheapskate version of TrueView. Probably a cost-cutting measure since it standardises all coins to the same size as the holder.
Quote from: 'r9453' pid='93491' dateline='1469909665'Quote from: 'trout' pid='93489' dateline='1469908927'I haven't seen a PCGS image in this sort of format before, What is the go here?
I've seen another image like that, it looks like a cheapskate version of TrueView. Probably a cost-cutting measure since it standardises all coins to the same size as the holder.
The image quality is pretty shoddy and not professional looking.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='93489' dateline='1469908927'I haven't seen a PCGS image in this sort of format before, What is the go here?
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/80296552
It's the Hong Kong fomat.I suspect they might be sending our coins there because they cant handle the volume in California
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='93495' dateline='1469917111'Quote from: 'trout' pid='93489' dateline='1469908927'I haven't seen a PCGS image in this sort of format before, What is the go here?
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/80296552
It's the Hong Kong fomat.I suspect they might be sending our coins there because they cant handle the volume in California
I would be pretty upset if I ended up with lousy images like that with a submission of mine.
The images are not even in focus .
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='93495' dateline='1469917111'It's the Hong Kong fomat.I suspect they might be sending our coins there because they cant handle the volume in California
If that is the case then I would say it's another disappointing development in the ongoing deterioration of PCGS services.
I have a backlog of coins that I want to have graded by PCGS so that I can add them to my set registries But I am reluctant to submit them at the moment because of the amount of basic and stupid stuff ups and the agonisingly slow turnarounds.
I also have a few coins that I want to send away for reconsideration But at the moment I don't think that they will receive the attention that they deserve and will be rushed through.
I am just going to sit back and wait for PCGS to get its act back together and start to grade and attribute correctly and accurately again.
Why is it not secure plus?
I love PCGS coins however if they dont listen to customers and their needs, they will end up like many other organizations in the past... they will dissappear from the radar... May be this is creating an opportunity for a reputable and talented numismatic expert to start a new venture....
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='93501' dateline='1469918843'Why is it not secure plus?
It is a bit strange because PCGS require that a World regular or economy submission has to use the secure option.
This coin is in a standard holder and usually there is NO image provided with this tier.
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='93502' dateline='1469918957'I love PCGS coins however if they dont listen to customers and their needs, they will end up like many other organizations in the past... they will dissappear from the radar... May be this is creating an opportunity for a reputable and talented numismatic expert to start a new venture....
I think that APCGS has muddied the waters too much for any such venture to gain any traction at the moment.
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='93502' dateline='1469918957'May be this is creating an opportunity for a reputable and talented numismatic expert to start a new venture....
I reckon there are quite a few respected and knowledgeable people involved in Australian numismatics right now who would do a great job running a franchise, or something similar. The big question is would it be worth their while? Listening to the many proponents of third party grading, and where they believe the industry is heading in this country, it just may be.
If something like this did eventuate, I could see Australian slabbed coins that were graded locally by Australian coin experts being highly sort after, and as a consequence, the current crop of coins being graded across the ocean by people not completely in tune with the idiosyncrasies of Australian minting processes may experience a drop off in desirability.
Just being the devils advocate :diablo::biggrin::):angel:
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='93518' dateline='1469928820'Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='93502' dateline='1469918957'May be this is creating an opportunity for a reputable and talented numismatic expert to start a new venture....
I reckon there are quite a few respected and knowledgeable people involved in Australian numismatics right now who would do a great job running a franchise, or something similar. The big question is would it be worth their while? Listening to the many proponents of third party grading, and where they believe the industry is heading in this country, it just may be.
If something like this did eventuate, I could see Australian slabbed coins that were graded locally by Australian coin experts being highly sort after, and as a consequence, the current crop of coins being graded across the ocean by people not completely in tune with the idiosyncrasies of Australian minting processes may experience a drop off in desirability.
Just being the devils advocate :diablo::biggrin::):angel:
Good call... you will be a fantastic devils advocate :yahoo:
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='93518' dateline='1469928820'and as a consequence, the current crop of coins being graded across the ocean by people not completely in tune with the idiosyncrasies of Australian minting processes may experience a drop off in desirability.
Just being the devils advocate :diablo::biggrin::):angel:
While there is certainly specialised knowledge with regard to varieties among our coinage there is nothing unique about the way it was minted and nor do you (as some anti-TPG dealers would like you to think) need some unique "only available to Aussie's skills" to grade them. It's that sort of rubbish that leads to grades like "CHUNC for this issue", making up grades for issues that are notoriously poorly struck or preserved. It's much better to have a consistent grading standard applied to all coins regardless of place of origin than to have region specific grading. I would happily back in the world coin graders at PCGS (and NGC) for quality and consistency of grading compared with any small operation in Australia that is grading inside what is, essentially a tiny market.
And let's just put aside the fact that two very well known numismatists in Australia have already proven it's impossible to run a self-sustaining grading company down here and they needed to deal in coins too. While it might not have affected their impartiality there is ALWAYS going to be an issue in the market with a grading company selling their own graded coins. It simply can't work long term.
QuoteWhile there is certainly specialised knowledge with regard to varieties among our coinage there is nothing unique about the way it was minted and nor do you (as some anti-TPG dealers would like you to think) need some unique "only available to Aussie's skills" to grade them. It's that sort of rubbish that leads to grades like "CHUNC for this issue", making up grades for issues that are notoriously poorly struck or preserved. It's much better to have a consistent grading standard applied to all coins regardless of place of origin that to have region specific grading. I would happily back in the world coin graders at PCGS (and NGC) for quality and consistency of grading compared with any small operation in Australia that is grading inside what is, essentially a tiny market.
And let's just put aside the fact that two very well known numismatists in Australia have already proven it's impossible to run a self-sustaining grading company down here and they needed to deal in coins too. While it might not have affected their impartiality there is ALWAYS going to be an issue in the market with a grading company selling their own graded coins. It simply can't work long term.
:agreed:
If it was a viable option to set up a grading company in Australia then NGC and/or PCGS would have done it by now.
These two companies are well respected, Established and have all the infrastructure already in place and all that would be required is for them to set up shop in one of the Major cities here.
Neither of them have done so at the moment, Maybe in the future they may expand their operations to Australia Who knows :ok:
Quote from: 'markn' pid='93573' dateline='1470003801'Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='93518' dateline='1469928820'and as a consequence, the current crop of coins being graded across the ocean by people not completely in tune with the idiosyncrasies of Australian minting processes may experience a drop off in desirability.
Just being the devils advocate :diablo::biggrin::):angel:
While there is certainly specialised knowledge with regard to varieties among our coinage there is nothing unique about the way it was minted and nor do you (as some anti-TPG dealers would like you to think) need some unique "only available to Aussie's skills" to grade them. It's that sort of rubbish that leads to grades like "CHUNC for this issue", making up grades for issues that are notoriously poorly struck or preserved. It's much better to have a consistent grading standard applied to all coins regardless of place of origin than to have region specific grading. I would happily back in the world coin graders at PCGS (and NGC) for quality and consistency of grading compared with any small operation in Australia that is grading inside what is, essentially a tiny market.
And let's just put aside the fact that two very well known numismatists in Australia have already proven it's impossible to run a self-sustaining grading company down here and they needed to deal in coins too. While it might not have affected their impartiality there is ALWAYS going to be an issue in the market with a grading company selling their own graded coins. It simply can't work long term.
Whilst my devils advocate quote was simply an intended tongue in cheek comment separating supposed Aussie local knowledge from generic foreign grading, I very much doubt that those employed as graders with the TPG's, and lets face it, there must be many, would know too much at all about the various strike qualities and unique planchet characteristics of our pre decimal coinage from the Perth Mint for example. As you said, ours is a tiny market, so the likely hood of them even wanting to know is minimal. I know you can't make a silk purse from a sows ear, but IMO this information should be an important consideration when assessing our coins.
As far as backing anyone in as you put it, are you comparing apples with apples? Lets not muddy the waters as so often happens during debates on such subjects by including the scammer's, dodgers and those driven by self interest. Most often, those who have had bad experiences at the hands of such operators haven't done their homework and have lacked discipline.
Regardless of whether it's commercially viable or not, there is undoubtedly a number of respected and knowledgeable people in this country who display the impartiality, skill, experience and moral code required to pull something like this off. It's often these qualities that separate the failures from the successes anyway, and lets not forget greed.
While ever people in the industry are quick to say these things can't happen, I guess they won't, and I see similarities with this numismatic subject and our general non preparedness to decentralise in this country. How silly it is to see millions of people commuting 100's of km's to the confines of a city each day, particularly as these days there is very little need for face to face contact, when all that needs to happen in many cases is for businesses to deliver themselves from the clutches of Government and the self serving interests of the real estate industry by setting up where the population actually live.
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='93582' dateline='1470016326'Whilst my devils advocate quote was simply an intended tongue in cheek comment separating supposed Aussie local knowledge from generic foreign grading, I very much doubt that those employed as graders with the TPG's, and lets face it, there must be many, would know too much at all about the various strike qualities and unique planchet characteristics of our pre decimal coinage from the Perth Mint for example.
I agree with all of what you say. But what you've said here is exactly why PCGS and NGC give a more consistent result. They dont need to know about the various strike qualities or planchet characteristics of any country's coinage. They just need to apply their standards with regards to lustre, surface preservation, bag marks and so on. They don't care that Perth mint bronze is shockingly struck and that they almost never come in mint red. They just need to grade it to their own standards. It's up to collectors to know such minutiae, and not just among different countries, but different coin series, denominations and years.
PCGS doesn't consider the strike/planchet characteristics of a particular issue in their grade. They only consider the coin at hand.
E.g. the best struck 1941-KG penny might only grade MS64 while a Canberra florin with slightly flat steps can grade MS67.
The reason for this is because if you look at the two objectively, the Canberra florin is still better struck up than the 1941-KG penny while in Australia they judge each coin against others of the same issue rather than to a strict universal standard.
Under the Australian method you know a GEM should be among the best of the issue while under the PCGS you can look up the pop charts to see that an MS64 1941-KG penny is among the best.
Thanks for the feedback Guys, it's all a bit of a learning curve especially when one is just looking from the sidelines, and I do get your consistency arguments. Looking ahead as someone considering to become active in this form of collecting, and not that anything I had to send would amount to a whole lot, but I'm a mite turned off by the extra costs involved with postage and insurance and not to forget the risk factor. It sure would be more soothing to deal with a local franchise. Maybe one day :)
Just got some Decimal grading results back and I'm pretty happy with them .Especially the 1972 5 cent Low Echidna at MS68
81183632 1966 50C MS65
81183633 1966 50C MS64
81183634 1966 50C MS65
81183635 1966 50C MS66
81183636 1966 50C MS65
81183637 1966 50C MS65
81183638 1966 50C MS65
81183639 1966 50C MS64
81183641 1966 50C MS65
81183642 1966 50C MS65
81183643 1966 50C MS64
81183644 1966 50C MS65
81183645 1966 50C MS66
81183646 1966 50C MS66
81183647 1966 50C MS65
81183648 2015 $1 WWI War Heroes-Red Poppy MS67
81183649 2015 $1 WWI War Heroes-Red Poppy MS68
81183650 1973 50C MS65
81183651 1972 5C Low Echidna MS64
81183652 1972 5C Low Echidna MS67
81183653 1972 5C Low Echidna MS66
81183654 1972 5C Low Echidna MS68
81183655 1972 5C Low Echidna MS65
81183656 1972 5C Low Echidna MS66
81183657 1972 5C MS66
Some good results here Stevo.
I like 1966 50c MS66 as well!
Some impressive results there Steve, especially the MS66 50c coins.
Well done Mate :yahoo:
Thanks guys it would have been a much better result if a certain Mr Cotton hadn't gotten an
MS66+ and an MS67 round 50's a couple of weeks ago but I'm still very happy with the above results
Some good results Steve.
What was the turnaround time ?
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='93635' dateline='1470113521'Some good results Steve.
What was the turnaround time ?
Not sure when they actually went over as I sent them though Eric but they have been out of my hands for about 8 weeks which is a lot faster than the previous run
so MS66 in the round 50c is pretty special?
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='93656' dateline='1470145003'so MS66 in the round 50c is pretty special?
I think the 1966 50 cent is an iconic Australian coin. As of now, 512 have been graded by PCGS. One has achieved MS67, one MS66+ and there are 48 MS66.
http://www.pcgs.com/pop/detail.aspx?c=5077
http://www.pcgs.com/pop/valueview.aspx?s=114281
Quote from: 'r9453' pid='93658' dateline='1470161978'Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='93656' dateline='1470145003'so MS66 in the round 50c is pretty special?
I think the 1966 50 cent is an iconic Australian coin. As of now, 512 have been graded by PCGS. One has achieved MS67, one MS66+ and there are 48 MS66.
http://www.pcgs.com/pop/detail.aspx?c=5077
http://www.pcgs.com/pop/valueview.aspx?s=114281
There has been a substantial increase in the population figures for this coin since April this year.
In April there were 87 MS65 coins and 15 graded higher, Now there are 142 MS65 coins and 50 graded higher.
This increase in the population normally equates to lower values unfortunately and my instincts tell me that Mr Cotton may be responsible here :ok:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='93660' dateline='1470166278'This increase in the population normally equates to lower values unfortunately and my instincts tell me that Mr Cotton may be responsible here :ok:
Not to mention the 15 coins submitted by stevo1962:
81183632 1966 50C MS65
81183633 1966 50C MS64
81183634 1966 50C MS65
81183635 1966 50C MS66
81183636 1966 50C MS65
81183637 1966 50C MS65
81183638 1966 50C MS65
81183639 1966 50C MS64
81183641 1966 50C MS65
81183642 1966 50C MS65
81183643 1966 50C MS64
81183644 1966 50C MS65
81183645 1966 50C MS66
81183646 1966 50C MS66
81183647 1966 50C MS65
When I look up the cert numbers for Steve's coins on the PCGS cert verification , They don't work what is the go here ??
Quote from: 'trout' pid='93681' dateline='1470211699'When I look up the cert numbers for Steve's coins on the PCGS cert verification , They don't work what is the go here ??
Only graded in the last couple of days and it takes about a week or so usually
It used to take a day or so, But yes they are taking their time lately.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='93660' dateline='1470166278'There has been a substantial increase in the population figures for this coin since April this year.
In April there were 87 MS65 coins and 15 graded higher, Now there are 142 MS65 coins and 50 graded higher.
Most thoughts indicate it's still early days in OZ as far as TPGing is concerned, it may be another 20 years before accurate populations are at hand?
This may prove useful for those wishing to know when their PCGS slabbed coin was graded. :ok:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/holders.jpg)
My 8 Free submissions Voucher arrived today so I am sending my 8 $10 Gold Proofs in to be graded.
With all the counterfeit Gold coins around lately I think it is a good idea to get these certified even though they are pretty much Bullion coins :ok:
My submission to NGC that arrived there 25/7/16 is now at the Grading/quality control stage, That is only 11 working days so far.
I should have the grades soon, SOOOOOO much faster than PCGS
reckon this one is worth sending to pcgs?
it is fully brilliant in the hand - golden red tones
looks 'proof like 'to me.
it also cartwheels but not as noticeable in my photos
here it is beside my old red unc that is starting to tone a tad now
comments and opinions most welcome (especially from Walter or Eric!)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/P8100282_-_Copy.JPG)(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/P8100284_-_Copy.JPG)(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/P8100299_-_Copy.JPG)(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/P8100297_-_Copy.JPG)
The "Orange Peel" on the Kings cheek and ear are pretty detracting RG.
Looks like this came from a rusted die, I'm not sure how PCGS would grade this one.
oh
bum
thanks ... :(
going back to woolies to get some more :cray: limited edition spiderman tissues
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='94137' dateline='1470837634'oh
bum
thanks ... :(
going back to woolies to get some more :cray: limited edition spiderman tissues
I wouldn't be buying the tissues just yet RG, I could be wrong here Mate.
The strike looks very strong on this particular coin and the orange peel/rust marks may be regarded the same as die polish marks and not affect the grade too much, I don't know because I have never sent a coin like this in for grading. :ok:
Personally I would send it in just to find out :)
Quote from: 'trout' pid='94008' dateline='1470753094'My submission to NGC that arrived there 25/7/16 is now at the Grading/quality control stage, That is only 11 working days so far.
I should have the grades soon, SOOOOOO much faster than PCGS
These coins have been graded .
They took 13 working days where PCGS took 53 working days for my last submission, That's 2 weeks not 2 months :good:
Also before anyone smugly claims that NGC is a waste of time because they overgrade, Have a real good look at some of the coins that the PCGS office in Hong Kong have graded lately :ok:
ah well - it is definitely very different in the hand
the hubby suggested it might be an 'ímpaired' proof when he first looked at it
here's a snap of the Victoria museum proof that was transferred from the Melbourne Mint in 1978
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/1951_proof_penny_australia_victoria_museum_obv.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/1951_proof_penny_australia_victoria_museum.jpg)
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='94133' dateline='1470837040'reckon this one is worth sending to pcgs?
it is fully brilliant in the hand - golden red tones
looks 'proof like 'to me.
I've always liked the PL pennies and half pennies. That one is very nice but a little weakly struck. It looks full red, based on that alone I'd call it worth sending.
thanks Mark
well it can go in the little pile that has been waiting to go pcgs for the last 5 years :)
Lovely coin RG :drooling:
Denticle perfection. :wavemulticolor:
Quote from: 'r9453' pid='93117' dateline='1469248309'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='93116' dateline='1469247805'He sent his submission in without the PCGS ID numbers for each coin so it's not PCGS's fault completely
Yes, PCGS should still get it right but why leave it to chance? Adding the PCGS numbers does take a little bit of extra work but it is the attention to detail that pays off. Hopefully not too much room for confusion with my pre-decs.
All coins were submitted with PCGS ID numbers and descriptions Steve, unfortunately PCGS just chose to ignore them
Quote from: 'trout' pid='91137' dateline='1466471616'I have bought this coin from a very reputable source and have looked up the cert# on PCGS and it isn't in the database.
This is a bit strange as the coin looks to be in a "Secure" holder.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ebay_coin.jpg)
I just had a look and this coin is there. So did they fix their technical issues?
Quote from: 'Cockatoo Coins' pid='95286' dateline='1471838217'All coins were submitted with PCGS ID numbers and descriptions Steve, unfortunately PCGS just chose to ignore them
:good: plus one for Cockatoo Coins but another minus one for PCGS.
My submission from NGC arrived back today, No flash blue box just cardboard packaging But at a fraction of the postage cost that PCGS would have charged.
I also got back my saflips that I sent the coins away in complete with bar coded stickers and the odd 1 or 2 notations from the grader on them :)
sounds like a successful mission
get yourself some good grades then?
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='95603' dateline='1472127952'sounds like a successful mission
get yourself some good grades then?
I got some accurate grades which I think is more important than "Good" grades :)
But yes the coins graded from MS68-MS70 .
Good stuff :good: I like the idea of getting flips back as I asked once before what happens to them as it's an extra cost if you don't get them back and cheaper post also sounds good. Now I just need to find someone who can get me a credit card :whistle2:
So were the MS grades for the wedding coins or another submission :huh:
QuoteSo were the MS grades for the wedding coins or another submission
No these were a set of in come the dollars/cents coins.
They did get a a DPL designation as well :good:
Here's hoping that the 3 wedding sets I sent to NGC come back with the PL attribution and not just MS .
Quote from: 'Cockatoo Coins' pid='95286' dateline='1471838217'Quote from: 'r9453' pid='93117' dateline='1469248309'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='93116' dateline='1469247805'He sent his submission in without the PCGS ID numbers for each coin so it's not PCGS's fault completely
Yes, PCGS should still get it right but why leave it to chance? Adding the PCGS numbers does take a little bit of extra work but it is the attention to detail that pays off. Hopefully not too much room for confusion with my pre-decs.
All coins were submitted with PCGS ID numbers and descriptions Steve, unfortunately PCGS just chose to ignore them
Yeah I send them a coin which wasn't in their ID list but a similar (visually very different but same date and denomination) coin was in the list which I suspected they'd mistaken. I put in the comments in caps that the coin was something different but they slabbed it as that anyway.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='95609' dateline='1472131452'QuoteSo were the MS grades for the wedding coins or another submission
No these were a set of in come the dollars/cents coins.
They did get a a DPL designation as well :good:
Here's hoping that the 3 wedding sets I sent to NGC come back with the PL attribution and not just MS .
This is very interesting and has me on the edge on my seat :blink:
QuoteThis is very interesting and has me on the edge on my seat
Careful Mate you may cut off the circulation to your legs and go Bum up when you try to stand :laugh2:
Wouldn't be the first time :laugh2:
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='95612' dateline='1472132480'Quote from: 'Cockatoo Coins' pid='95286' dateline='1471838217'Quote from: 'r9453' pid='93117' dateline='1469248309'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='93116' dateline='1469247805'He sent his submission in without the PCGS ID numbers for each coin so it's not PCGS's fault completely
Yes, PCGS should still get it right but why leave it to chance? Adding the PCGS numbers does take a little bit of extra work but it is the attention to detail that pays off. Hopefully not too much room for confusion with my pre-decs.
All coins were submitted with PCGS ID numbers and descriptions Steve, unfortunately PCGS just chose to ignore them
Yeah I send them a coin which wasn't in their ID list but a similar (visually very different but same date and denomination) coin was in the list which I suspected they'd mistaken. I put in the comments in caps that the coin was something different but they slabbed it as that anyway.
If it's PCGS's error than they should wear all costs to have it fixed, but I doubt they will :(
According to the PCGS website for misattributed coins they refund the grading fee and postage and insurance costs incurred by the owner. Has anyone sent back misattributed coins and had these costs properly covered?
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='95621' dateline='1472140074'According to the PCGS website for misattributed coins they refund the grading fee and postage and insurance costs incurred by the owner. Has anyone sent back misattributed coins and had these costs properly covered?
I've done this a few times, they send a cheque through.
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='95622' dateline='1472146244'Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='95621' dateline='1472140074'According to the PCGS website for misattributed coins they refund the grading fee and postage and insurance costs incurred by the owner. Has anyone sent back misattributed coins and had these costs properly covered?
I've done this a few times, they send a cheque through.
But did it cover ALL expenses like all the postage there and back and insurance etc.
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='95622' dateline='1472146244'Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='95621' dateline='1472140074'According to the PCGS website for misattributed coins they refund the grading fee and postage and insurance costs incurred by the owner. Has anyone sent back misattributed coins and had these costs properly covered?
I've done this a few times, they send a cheque through.
my 1 and only misattributed was hard to believe pcgs stuffed up .... they could not tell and/or read the obverse and differentiate between 'john V1 ' and 'Maria ' !! :huh::-/:lazy2:
I hope it's all fixed up now duggee. Let me know when you'll be here again for show and tell so I can put the jug on :friends:
QuoteHas anyone sent back misattributed coins and had these costs properly covered?
The last time PCGs misattributed my coins I sent a submission to NGC :good:
BTW the small "s" in PCGs is not a typo :angel:
Quote from: 'duggee27' pid='95630' dateline='1472161765'my 1 and only misattributed was hard to believe pcgs stuffed up .... they could not tell and/or read the obverse and differentiate between 'john V1 ' and 'Maria ' !! :huh::-/:lazy2:
It seems beyond belief that these sorts of errors can happen until you bring humans into the equation. Humans make mistakes and nothing is ever going to stop that. Most of the PCGS errors mechanical errors, which are data entry errors, a field that is notoriously hard to get right. If you look at this page (http://panko.shidler.hawaii.edu/HumanErr/Basic.htm) you'll see quantified studies suggesting a 0.5% error rate for data entry of mail codes.
Even if PCGS has somehow got their data entry error rate 1000x better than this (which I very strongly doubt) you're still talking an error rate of 0.0005%. PCGS has graded 2,500,000 million coins this year and assuming the 0.0005% data entry error rate you're talking 1250 mechanical errors this year. 3 a day. And I suspect their data entry error rate is quite a bit higher than than 0.0005% regardless of how much QC they've got in place. And as to the wrong label for a coin seeming obvious? That's assuming the person(s) who put the labels and coins in the holders know anything about coins. I suspect the people who holder up the coins scan the bar code on the holder and then scan a matching bar code on the coin (which is in a 2.5" saflip) to make sure they match before holdering them up without much further examination. If I was in charge of that process I certainly wouldn't want to pay someone to examine each coin to make sure it matches the label, you'd need someone who knows a fair bit about coins and the process would add a lot of time. It's simpler to have a warranty process.
I guess what I am saying is that mistakes are going to happen. I make them, you make them, PCGS make them. If it's a simple mechanical error PCGS has a process in place to deal with it, take advantage of the process and move on with your coin collecting life.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='95642' dateline='1472168047'I guess what I am saying is that mistakes are going to happen. I make them,
Nooo I can't believe that mate :) Me on the other hand being absolutely hopeless have a very high chance of making a mistake :blush2: :angel:
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my 1 and only misattributed was hard to believe pcgs stuffed up .... they could not tell and/or read the obverse and differentiate between 'john V1 ' and 'Maria ' !! :huh::-/:lazy2:
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Hey, this is the 21st century and PCGS is in leftist California. So perhaps John and Maria are the same transexual?:mocking:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='95624' dateline='1472159675'Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='95622' dateline='1472146244'Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='95621' dateline='1472140074'According to the PCGS website for misattributed coins they refund the grading fee and postage and insurance costs incurred by the owner. Has anyone sent back misattributed coins and had these costs properly covered?
I've done this a few times, they send a cheque through.
But did it cover ALL expenses like all the postage there and back and insurance etc.
It covers everything but the cost of clearing an international cheque.
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='95709' dateline='1472218710'It covers everything but the cost of clearing an international cheque.
That's ok then, thanks for clearing that up Walter :good:
I emailed NGC regarding a mistake they had made with the dates on some of the coins in my wedding set submission late yesterday afternoon.
I received a reply early this morning to my email and the problem was resolved quick smart, Such a refreshing change to the awful customer service that I had become accustomed to when dealing with PCGS :angel::yahoo:
QuoteI guess what I am saying is that mistakes are going to happen. I make them, you make them, PCGS make them.
:agreed:
But if you or I were to make mistakes more frequently and on a regular basis and it was affecting our work we would take the necessary steps and we would rectify that situation A.S.A.P.
Maybe PCGS IS looking into the spate of monumental stuff ups that has plagued it over the last few months, I certainly hope so otherwise like any business that is heavily reliant on its reputation the future looks pretty bleak if nothing is done to "Contain" these Blunders.
I found these 2 coins on 2 different submissions on the PCGS shared submission page.
I wouldn't be too impressed if they were my coins.
Captain Cook coin graded MS68
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ms68_bs.jpg)
Canberra Florin Graded MS63
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ms63_bs.jpg)
Haha! Funny you post that 1970 50, thats mine! I wasn`t too impressed by that grade I have to say. I took a good hard look at the coin and thought it would be a SP69 before I sent it. I found my latest submissions have been very harshly graded.
I think by that image the 68 is pretty much on the money But if the graders can't see that this is a Specimen coin they are either Blind or poorly informed.
I do agree that they were rather "Hard" on your submission though.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='96584' dateline='1472779120'Maybe PCGS IS looking into the spate of monumental stuff ups that has plagued it over the last few months,
Like any business operation I reckon they would periodically assess KPI's. Not that I'm any authority on grading etc but occasionally do encounter what I see as disparity when looking at the registry sets for example. I guess this is only natural to a certain extent when so many graders are possibly involved, but no more or less than what might be expected from a similar pool of ANDA dealers IMHO.
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='97543' dateline='1473472137'Quote from: 'trout' pid='96584' dateline='1472779120'Maybe PCGS IS looking into the spate of monumental stuff ups that has plagued it over the last few months,
Like any business operation I reckon they would periodically assess KPI's. Not that I'm any authority on grading etc but occasionally do encounter what I see as disparity when looking at the registry sets for example. I guess this is only natural to a certain extent when so many graders are possibly involved, but no more or less than what might be expected from a similar pool of ANDA dealers IMHO.
The lack of grading accuracy by a large percentage of ANDA and other dealers is precisely why PCGS and NGC have become so popular.
The TPG's do make stuff ups but not to the extent that dealers do, by a long shot.
My point is that PCGS seems to have an increasing percentage of BoBo's of late that they need to address :ok:
I'm not flying anyone's flag in particular, but please, the only reason anyone sets up an organisation like PCGS is to make money.
Indeed. First published in 1952 and last revised 1966. Long overdue for a review. His name was actually JB Bobo (that's not initials but how he was christened!)
(http://magicref.tripod.com/images/books/bobomoderncoinmagic.jpg)
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='97550' dateline='1473475108'I'm not flying anyone's flag in particular, but please, the only reason anyone sets up an organisation like PCGS is to make money.
:agreed:
But without the TPG's we would be back to the old ways of overgraded, cleaned and fake coins being sold as righteous coins again.
I was dead against slabbed coins at first But I have come to realise that without them there is nothing to "Keep the Bastards Honest" and now if you want that high grade flawless coin for your collection getting one that has been professionally graded is at least a 99.99% chance of getting exactly what the coin is purported to be :good:
I am a big follower and purchaser of PCGS coins... All I buy is PCGS graded coins. However lately I am contemplating the real reason why I should pay 10 x more for a coin that is one or two grades higher when the lower grade coin looks better than the higher graded coin. I had a 1948 6D in MS65 that looks not that flashy against a MS64 coin I sold to a member here.. There is also some disparities when it comes to PCGS US and HK. I find coins graded in HK seems to be done more lenient...
Edit Some hight graded coins are worth a premium due to preservation and eye appeal.
I reality most coins graded AU58 are quite attractive coins and can be had for a fraction of the cost of a MS graded coin.
You can build a set of AU58 coins and still have a great set of every coin in great condition without having to pay a kings ransom for them.
After seeing one of the HK graded wedding set coins with a dirty great scratch on it making a MS69 grade I tend to agree that the HK office has lower grading standards as well.
At the moment you can tell if the coin was graded at HK by the image that is provided when you check the cert# out.
The US coins have the trueview image and the HK coins have the NGC like images :ok:
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='97556' dateline='1473477261'I am a big follower and purchaser of PCGS coins... All I buy is PCGS graded coins. However lately I am contemplating the real reason why I should pay 10 x more for a coin that is one or two grades higher when the lower grade coin looks better than the higher graded coin. I had a 1948 6D in MS65 that looks not that flashy against a MS64 coin I sold to a member here.. There is also some disparities when it comes to PCGS US and HK. I find coins graded in HK seems to be done more lenient...
Edit Some hight graded coins are worth a premium due to preservation and eye appeal.
If you're collecting for the pleasure of having the nicest looking coins then buy the coins you love, not the coins with the higher numbers on them. If you're determined to play the registry game the hardest buy the coins with the numbers. There's no doubt there are lower graded coins that are prettier than some of their higher graded peers, which you choose depends on your motivations.
I think 'eye appeal' is the principal factor for me. The number comes after.
And, if buying, the price difference can be substantial.
My motivation is to make up a good looking set without having to mortgage a kidney to AJ.
QuoteIf you're collecting for the pleasure of having the nicest looking coins then buy the coins you love, not the coins with the higher numbers on them. If you're determined to play the registry game the hardest buy the coins with the numbers. There's no doubt there are lower graded coins that are prettier than some of their higher graded peers, which you choose depends on your motivations.
:agreed:
:yeah_what_she_said:
Until you get into the MS65 and upwards the AU58 coins are just as easy on the eye as the lower graded MS coins and sometimes they are even more appealing in my opinion. :good:
Quote from: 'markn' pid='97570' dateline='1473483805'Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='97556' dateline='1473477261'I am a big follower and purchaser of PCGS coins... All I buy is PCGS graded coins. However lately I am contemplating the real reason why I should pay 10 x more for a coin that is one or two grades higher when the lower grade coin looks better than the higher graded coin. I had a 1948 6D in MS65 that looks not that flashy against a MS64 coin I sold to a member here.. There is also some disparities when it comes to PCGS US and HK. I find coins graded in HK seems to be done more lenient...
Edit Some hight graded coins are worth a premium due to preservation and eye appeal.
If you're collecting for the pleasure of having the nicest looking coins then buy the coins you love, not the coins with the higher numbers on them. If you're determined to play the registry game the hardest buy the coins with the numbers. There's no doubt there are lower graded coins that are prettier than some of their higher graded peers, which you choose depends on your motivations.
Good point and agreed. I (try to ) play on the registry set game... therefore numbers are important to me. However the risk I carry with that is by some random chance, reputation for PCGS goes down and next TPG becomes the next big thing, wrongful numbered coin will only become a liability. As long as coin is graded right, I will pay the premium, if you know what I mean...
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='97571' dateline='1473484042'I think 'eye appeal' is the principal factor for me. The number comes after.
And, if buying, the price difference can be substantial.
My motivation is to make up a good looking set without having to mortgage a kidney to AJ.
I'll try and get you a fair price but the kidney market is down at the moment as no one wants to trade me their nice coins for my spare kidney :(
I do both, I have no budget so I only buy the cheapest but the nicest coins I can and I have some really nice one's I've got from PP and Eric and they range from au58 to ms66 and I know I'll never be able to afford the earlier date so not even thinking about playing the registry game but I think I have some lovely coins.. but then they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder :)
I am slowly putting together a set of Graded Canadian Silver dollars with coins that I have either sent away to be graded or have bought them already slabbed.
They are not the top of the wazza coins but they are all nice coins and I am happy with them and that is the important thing as far as I am concerned.
If you are putting a set of graded coins together I find it best to set yourself some achievable goals that are not only affordable but will result in an attractive and evenly matched set when completed.
For instance a set of Australian decimal coins with an average grade of MS66 is quite "Doable" without breaking the bank like a set of MS69-70 coins would and all of the coins are readily available Raw at very reasonable prices.
You could have them slabbed or just leave them raw , That is entirely up to you But I find that having a realistic goal in the first place is important so that you don't end up being discouraged halfway through completing a given set :ok:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='97735' dateline='1473614133'If you are putting a set of graded coins together I find it best to set yourself some achievable goals that are not only affordable but will result in an attractive and evenly matched set when completed.
I take the opposite tack. I know I will never be able to have a complete
evenly matched set because some coins are just too expensive and too hard to get in any decent grade (like 1915 silver in MS66). So I go for really high grades (MS66-67) when those are achievable (like QE2 silver) but will settle for EF coins for the hard years.
Even for decimal collectors I'm sure that my strategy applies. Get a few WOW coins in MS69-70 but for wavy 2s, mules, incuse flags I'll bet most would settle for well below MS66 to complete a set.
Yep I'm with you Neal as the budget (or lack of) dictates a lot and lesser grades are ok.
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='97556' dateline='1473477261'I am a big follower and purchaser of PCGS coins... All I buy is PCGS graded coins. However lately I am contemplating the real reason why I should pay 10 x more for a coin that is one or two grades higher when the lower grade coin looks better than the higher graded coin. I had a 1948 6D in MS65 that looks not that flashy against a MS64 coin I sold to a member here.. There is also some disparities when it comes to PCGS US and HK. I find coins graded in HK seems to be done more lenient...
Edit Some hight graded coins are worth a premium due to preservation and eye appeal.
i think we need to look at the US MARKET on slabbed coins and see how many times more they pay for a coin a few grades higher , our coins might be cheap compared to theirs , as for how some coins look some of the toning on RB perth mint pennies make the coins look better than higher graded RD Penny coins and there are some beautiful chocolate BN coins that are better looking the either RB or RD Coins , but it seems the RD pennies command a premium
RD is nice but I'm happy to pick up a BN coin for a good price. Last month scored a 1964M penny in MS65BN for $12.50 (with free post). On Numisbid a MS64RD sold for $60 and a MS65RD for $180. So I have a nice coin with choice surfaces for a fraction of the cost of a similar (but red) penny.
1964M penny in MS65BN for $12.50 (with free post).
that is terrible
why bother to send the coin off in the first place??
after seller fees
store fees
paypal fees
and slabbing fees
the seller paid to sell that coin
over the years I have learnt to just keep a coin if i end up paying to sell it
Quotei think we need to look at the US MARKET on slabbed coins and see how many times more they pay for a coin a few grades higher , our coins might be cheap compared to theirs , as for how some coins look some of the toning on RB perth mint pennies make the coins look better than higher graded RD Penny coins and there are some beautiful chocolate BN coins that are better looking the either RB or RD Coins , but it seems the RD pennies command a premium
The US coin Market is that big and the collector base is so large it makes the Australian market look like a roadside stall at a country Fair and that's why our coins are relatively cheap in comparison.
As for Red copper coins, There is something just so appealing about a copper coin in it's pristine untarnished form that collectors appreciate :)
I do agree that a technically superior grade in RB or BR for a lesser price is the better deal though :good:
I have two World Modern submissions that have yet to be graded.
One is with PCGS for grading and they received the submission on 22/8/16, The other I sent to NGC last week and it has yet to arrive at the Sarasota office.
Any guesses as to which submission will be graded first :):angel:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='98501' dateline='1474482064'I have two World Modern submissions that have yet to be graded.
One is with PCGS for grading and they received the submission on 22/8/16, The other I sent to NGC last week and it has yet to arrive at the Sarasota office.
Any guesses as to which submission will be graded first :):angel:
probably NGC , but that could mean that they either have more graders working or less coins to grade than PCGS
You never Know, One of the submissions at PCGS is already 5 working days overdue according to the turnaround times and the NGC submission has yet to be received :angel:
My submission finally arrived at NGC on Friday, So it should be done in 12 working days or less if they are true to their recent form.
This is for a 42 coin submission that new coin numbers will have to be created for as none of these coins have been graded by NGC before :ok:
I just noticed that Downies are now selling PCGS and NGC graded coins.
Is this something new as I can't recall seeing these on their site before ??
I have the results back from my $10 Gold coins submission only 11 days late this time :)
2007 $10 The Ashes PR69DC
2008 $10 Centenary of Rugby PR69DC
2011 $10 Ram's Head PR69DC
2012-C $10 Wheat Sheaf PR69DC
2012-C $10 Wheat Sheaf PR69DC
2014-C $10 Terra Australis PR69DC
2015-C $10 ANZAC PR69DC
2016-C $10 Australia's First Mints PR70DC
No real surprises there as these coins are beautifully crafted and Gold always strikes well :good:
All I need now is a holy dollar and dump gold $10, So if anyone has one of these spare I have a spare Wheat Sheaf to trade :)
What's the plastics factory please, would someone help me with the grading scale ie, what the grading letters stand for would help me know more about my shilling collection and what grades I should buy to complete the set. Thanks
Quote from: 'tonymac' pid='99217' dateline='1475180829'What's the plastics factory please, would someone help me with the grading scale ie, what the grading letters stand for would help me know more about my shilling collection and what grades I should buy to complete the set. Thanks
http://www.anda.com.au/resources.asp
Have a read... these are the Australian grading standards.
Plastic factory is PCGS or NGC, third party grading companies.
PCGS grading standards below.
http://www.pcgs.com/grades
the irony is that the PCGS & NGC holders are acrylic
not plastic - every body here freaks out about putting coins in plastic
But 'acrylic' is plastic!
Poly(methyl methacrylate) (PMMA), also known as acrylic or acrylic glass as well as by the trade names Plexiglas, Acrylite, Lucite, and Perspex among several others (see below), is a transparent thermoplastic often used in sheet form as a lightweight or shatter-resistant alternative to glass. The same material can be utilised as a casting resin, in inks and coatings, and has many other uses.
Special purpose plastics
Polymethyl methacrylate (PMMA) (acrylic) – Contact lenses (of the original "hard" variety), glazing (best known in this form by its various trade names around the world; e.g., Perspex, Oroglas, Plexiglas), aglets, fluorescent light diffusers, rear light covers for vehicles. It forms the basis of artistic and commercial acrylic paints when suspended in water with the use of other agents.
Source Wikipedia "PLASTIC" entry.
Thanks Ausproofs for your help more to this than meets the eye
Quote from: 'tonymac' pid='99224' dateline='1475186510'Thanks Ausproofs for your help more to this than meets the eye
No worries... yes it is bit more complicated than what people relaise...
I have paid two invoices for grading fees this week to both PCGs and NGC, So the exchange rates would have been pretty much the same.
There is a small difference in the grading fees from both companies But there is a huge difference in the Shipping fees.
The shipping fee from PCGS for 8 coins was $103.98 AUD and the shipping from NGC for 42 coins was $55.10AUD.
I think the problem with PCGS is because they will use the same sized box to send 1 coin in that they would send 80 coins in and NGC will package up to suit the number of coins in the order.
On the occasions that I have sent a single coin to PCGS they have always sent it back in a huge cardboard box that contains a plastic blue box that houses a single coin, Quite ridicules when you think about it really :dash1:
If you were to buy 8 graded coins from the US I would think that most people would flatly refuse to pay over a hundred bucks for postage for them :ok:
My 8 "Free" submissions actually cost me over ten bucks a coin to get done, No such thing as a Free lunch at PCGS :(
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='99221' dateline='1475184295'the irony is that the PCGS & NGC holders are acrylic
not plastic - every body here freaks out about putting coins in plastic
Many of my ungraded coins are stored in a 100% plastic environment and are pretty much completely safe from environmental damage.
It ALL depends on which type of plastic you choose that decides the fate of your coins.
If you choose to use saflips for your coins and put them in archival quality plastic pages that are held in a non PVC album covers and slips then they are quite safe, If just one of those items contain PVC then it is a quite different story and your coin WILL be at risk :ok:
I personally use both saflips and 2x2 holders I my albums, The saflips are a slightly better option but I just like the paper/mylar flips more.
The Important thing is that the flips, pages and covers must NOT contain any PVC whatsoever.
There are many threads on the forum that cover this :)
The images department at PCGS is back to normal at last, No more extended delays waiting for images thank the Gods :yahoo:
https://www.pcgs.com/Membership/sharedorder.aspx?OrderNo=21100286&Year=2016&Month=9
Quote from: 'trout' pid='99274' dateline='1475248204'The images department at PCGS is back to normal at last, No more extended delays waiting for images thank the Gods :yahoo:
https://www.pcgs.com/Membership/sharedorder.aspx?OrderNo=21100286&Year=2016&Month=9
Nice :thank_you:
I have just looked at the images from my latest submission of 25mm Silver coins to PCGS.
I ALWAYS handle my Proofs and other high grade coins with gloves when I take them out of the Mint packaging to send them off to be graded.
6 of the twelve coins in this submission have fingerprints on them that were NOT there when I sent them away and to say that I am I little disappointed would be the understatement of the year, I am bloody FURIOUS !!!!!!!!!
These coins have spent just under 6 weeks in PCGS's care and some Maggot has put his/her bloody pinkies on my coins at some stage.
Here is an example.
This is a coin prior to being sent to PCGS
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/2015_25mm_silver_proof~0.jpg)
Here it is again after being graded
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/81755043_Large.jpg)
I have sent hundreds of coins away to be graded and I have never had a problem with fingerprints on ANY of my coins from prior submissions over the last 3 years.
I have NOT changed my method of handling the coins and all of a sudden there are fingerprints on half of the coins in a submission.
There is absolutely NO way I can prove that this happened at PCGS and they will deny it anyway.
Any advice on how to deal with PCGS about this, I am too angry at the moment so I will delay emailing them about this for now.
Here are more coins from the same submission with fingerprints :dash1:
There are 5 affected coins at the moment not 6 , I am not sure that all the others are not affected as the prints may show up later in the slabs :(
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/81755042_Large.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/81755040_Large.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/81755035_Large.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/81755034_Large.jpg)
Quote from: 'trout' pid='99307' dateline='1475294457'I have just looked at the images from my latest submission of 25mm Silver coins to PCGS.
I ALWAYS handle my Proofs and other high grade coins with gloves when I take them out of the Mint packaging to send them off to be graded.
6 of the twelve coins in this submission have fingerprints on them that were NOT there when I sent them away and to say that I am I little disappointed would be the understatement of the year, I am bloody FURIOUS !!!!!!!!!
These coins have spent just under 6 weeks in PCGS's care and some Maggot has put his/her bloody pinkies on my coins at some stage.
Here is an example.
There is absolutely NO way I can prove that this happened at PCGS and they will deny it anyway
In theory you could prove it if you can get hold of PCGS staff fingerprint records. Presumably their security would include fingerprint records. Even a pub I work in has fingerprint swipe sign on/off so a place handling billions in gold and silver coins would have full handprints.
Now you just need someone to hack in to get those records.
I don't think that I have to prove anything, the onus is on PCGS to "Make this Right" as far as I am concerned.
If they even hint at giving me the run around I will try a do a chargeback through my credit card for services NOT rendered and cancel my account with them.
Here is a previous submission of 25mm Silver Proofs, NONE of these had fingerprints on them :ok:
https://www.pcgs.com/Membership/sharedorder.aspx?OrderNo=20836644&Year=2014&Month=8
Compare that to this horror.
https://www.pcgs.com/Membership/sharedorder.aspx?OrderNo=21101565&Year=2016&Month=9
You must be gutted Trout (no pun intended ..... for once).
We'll have to rename it the Fingerprint Factory.
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='99320' dateline='1475315577'You must be gutted Trout (no pun intended ..... for once).
We'll have to rename it the Fingerprint Factory.
Mate if I had the culprit within arms reach today there would be 4 different lots of body parts hanging from the trees, I was that angry.
I have calmed down a bit and have fired of an email (sans vitriol) to PCGS, Now I have to wait and see if they are going to do the right thing.
Just when I thought that PCGS was getting back to normal THIS happens, Mate I must have run over 10 Chinamen in a previous life :dash1:
QuoteI must have run over 10 Chinamen in a previous life
Politically incorrect I think (but we don't much care here). Substitute walking under ladders, black cats or some such and someone will jump on you anyway.
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='99325' dateline='1475317295'QuoteI must have run over 10 Chinamen in a previous life
Politically incorrect I think (but we don't much care here). Substitute walking under ladders, black cats or some such and someone will jump on you anyway.
It's just a saying Mate.
I don't have a racist bone in my body, I probably don't have a politically correct one either :angel:
NO offence meant So I hope none has been taken :ok:
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='99325' dateline='1475317295'QuoteI must have run over 10 Chinamen in a previous life
Politically incorrect I think (but we don't much care here). Substitute walking under ladders, black cats or some such and someone will jump on you anyway.
Black cats is racist:@:winkextra:
O/T Currently reading a book by the aussie author Frank Clune (7th edition from 1941) where terms such as nigger are in the book. Got the book (for free from a pile that they were disposing of) from my local library, the book was even signed by the author. Probably thrown out by the PC police.
Now I just need a copy of what was (pre Harry potter) the biggest selling novel in history (Ten Little Niggers) without its castrated title (And Then There Were None).
Taking this to the Misbehavers :ok:
I have just received a reply from David Talk and he has forwarded my email to the vice president of operations, So it looks like he is taking my problem seriously.
So Good so far :good:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='93060' dateline='1469152983'The toning on the silver dollars appears to be originating from the edges of the coins and as the graders at PCGS don't wear gloves (For Obvious reasons) I am thinking maybe one of them had something on his/her fingers.
Why don't the graders wear gloves?
Quote from: 'r9453' pid='99338' dateline='1475354390'Quote from: 'trout' pid='93060' dateline='1469152983'The toning on the silver dollars appears to be originating from the edges of the coins and as the graders at PCGS don't wear gloves (For Obvious reasons) I am thinking maybe one of them had something on his/her fingers.
Why don't the graders wear gloves?
Presumably so that they don't drop the coins.
I rarely use gloves on lower grade coins But with proofs and especially Silver proofs gloves are a must for me as it is so easy to mark the mirror surfaces of these coins:ok:
I thought they do use gloves.
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='99409' dateline='1475445953'I thought they do use gloves.
Not that I am aware of Walter, All the grading vids I have seen show the graders bare handed :ok:
clean washed hands are better than sweaty cotton gloves that leave fluff
museums also use clean washed hands
but if staff wash their hands enough they end up with dermatitis which becomes another problem
they are only supposed to touch the rims not the coin surfaces though
but i still reckon that on proofs the rims can be damaged by hands
Bear in mind that its not just the graders who handle the coins, they are also photographed and mounted in the holders.