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Title: Aj's errors and PMD
Post by: ausjack on October 09, 2013, 06:29:02 AM
Ok, had this and many other sitting around for a while now so thought I'd start to put all my errors and pmd together to see how it goes for a bit so here's one for ya's..this one really has me stumped as it's so strange being thick in parts but still the same size of a normal coin so this first one I'm not sure if it was done at the mint or in someone's shed
(http://i44.tinypic.com/35jczo8.jpg)
(http://i39.tinypic.com/2qtivsh.jpg)
(http://i43.tinypic.com/2n0phmb.jpg)
(http://i43.tinypic.com/2zxyzjt.jpg)
now some different one's
(http://i40.tinypic.com/2remyys.jpg)
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2nvxdza.jpg)
(http://i39.tinypic.com/or8bp5.jpg)
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2603klk.jpg)
(http://i42.tinypic.com/291pan7.jpg)
(http://i42.tinypic.com/xf3hw1.jpg)
Title: RE: Aj's errors and PMD
Post by: ausjack on October 09, 2013, 07:46:39 AM
(http://i41.tinypic.com/v5y6x3.jpg)


(http://i40.tinypic.com/23uvi2e.jpg)
Title: RE: Aj's errors and PMD
Post by: keldaw on October 09, 2013, 08:26:34 AM
hey A J  , that black on your finger nail , was you born with that
    or is it ???
                            PMD..     and another thing , you should never show parts of your body ,especially your fingerprints ..

                                             ,, KEL ,,
Title: RE: Aj's errors and PMD
Post by: ausjack on October 09, 2013, 08:44:57 AM
:laugh2: nah mate, bloody hammer got me a few months ago and slowly growing out..been a long long time and it still hurts when you do it :D And thanks for the warning Kel :good: but I like to show my hot body :blush2: and I know others like it too :mocking: isn't that right belly :winkextra:
Title: RE: Aj's errors and PMD
Post by: Robster on October 09, 2013, 08:57:58 AM
Nice array of cuds A.J.! Hope you are continuing to improve in the pain area.!! :angel:
Title: RE: Aj's errors and PMD
Post by: ausjack on October 09, 2013, 09:14:32 AM
heaps more to come yet Robster :good: and yes but it's still fun as it works it's way thru so hope it hasn't got much more to go as being in labour for over a month isn't fun so I just have to try and laugh or I'll go mad..er :laugh2:

(http://i44.tinypic.com/33uem1u.jpg)
Title: RE: Aj's errors and PMD
Post by: ausjack on October 09, 2013, 10:14:39 AM
gee I've been finding a few of these..think this is about 4 or 5 now..look down the roos back :good:
(http://i39.tinypic.com/4v00oo.jpg)
Title: RE: Aj's errors and PMD
Post by: Unicorn on October 09, 2013, 10:40:57 AM
Are you roo's back ones all 2009's AJ ?

I had one on the CCF forum ....... called it a "Roo na horn." (Seemed appropriate at the time).

Nice cud pics ...... keep em coming.
Title: RE: Aj's errors and PMD
Post by: ausjack on October 09, 2013, 10:48:36 AM
I think they might be from my sad memory uni but I'll have to suss them out but I have to do a lot of sorting and need some folders to put them in as I think there'd be about quite a few hundred just in 50's let alone 20's and the rest of them..I'm in organised chaos with stuff all over the place :laugh2:
Title: RE: Aj's errors and PMD
Post by: Australian coin on October 09, 2013, 11:16:25 AM
I don't have that's 50c, man I should start looking for that stuff, I just look for picture coins, unless its something that stands out
Title: RE: Aj's errors and PMD
Post by: Unicorn on October 09, 2013, 11:38:18 AM
Totally understand AJ ..... I've got a few to sort out myself (it's more fun looking for them than sorting them out after you've found them).

Here's the CCF thread I was talking about.

http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=143547 (http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=143547)
Title: RE: Aj's errors and PMD
Post by: ausjack on October 09, 2013, 11:45:43 AM
ya do now little mate so don't look to hard, suppose I should send an extra for you know who :winkextra: Yeah ya have to look and I collect the pretty pic but now I collect everything but then put them back so if there's any ya like or you know who likes yell out and I'll send'em down..actually you come gettem :laugh2: ok ok I'll send them down :)

and yes uni I have 6 of them now and all 2009 but have a couple of 99 and an 08 that have screwed up feather things but not the blob like the 09 :good:


:laugh2: thanks uni but ya luck I'm slack and takes me years to get to these things as I had my first one ages ago but I have 2012 bubble now so it's all good and you did post first but I'll have to start posting as soon as I find them as I have 2010,11,12 and 13 with different cuds in places and that's in most denominations as well :P I need to get a life :laugh2: one day I'll sort this out or just look at it and think about doing something as I just looked at about $300 just in 50's but I know there's more there :scratch_one-s_head:
Title: RE: Aj's errors and PMD
Post by: Unicorn on October 09, 2013, 12:06:21 PM
By the sounds of things AJ, you probably beat me to it (I only found mine in March)!!

Please feel free to use the word Bubble Bubble and Bubble at your leisure .... the same with any words I've used to describe the Roonahorn. :laugh2:
Title: RE: Aj's errors and PMD
Post by: ausjack on October 09, 2013, 12:29:42 PM
:laugh2: bubble bubble bubble bubble bubble bubble bubble bubble

here's a quick scan for ya mate, the funny thing is how you toss them a side for a second look as you know there's something there but they're that big that you don't see the obvious but that seems to happen a lot in every day life as well..I pulled a few 2001's out with the different roozilla's so I'll put them up soon :winkextra:
(http://i41.tinypic.com/34g57jc.jpg)

here's the 99 and 08 if you can make them out but I have to take more of the roozilla as they didn't turn out big enough (http://i43.tinypic.com/2va0a4y.jpg)

he's some roozilla's for ya's, think that's most of them for now :)
(http://i42.tinypic.com/28cm5oi.jpg)
(http://i41.tinypic.com/6zvko5.jpg)
(http://i44.tinypic.com/11sd103.jpg)
(http://i41.tinypic.com/33lm642.jpg)
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2yv5og1.jpg)
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2jcio2g.jpg)
(http://i39.tinypic.com/2jacdvs.jpg)
Title: RE: Aj's errors and PMD
Post by: Fulvio on October 09, 2013, 01:41:14 PM
That last Roozilla is also a speared roo. Just below the leaf. These are cleaning scratches which all run parallel, both above and below the roo. Happens on other coins too, notably 2003 Suffragette dollars and 2004 Student 50ยข.

One of these days I'll get that error list done that I promised Goldy months ago. What's holding me up is a) pics, and b) deciding on the best format for the data. Both to record it and to display. I was going to do it as HTML like the mintage and note prefix files, and PDF for output, but it would get incredibly tedious. Excel is messy, and I'm now thinking of maybe using Filemaker. Stay tuned.

AJ, that first coin is PMD. Easy way to tell is if there is normal detail under the damage, it happened after striking. In this case the milling on the edge. Somebody jammed it in a vice, or it got caught in some machinery. But either way its not an error.

Also, something you may discard as damage or wear, but isn't, is strikethroughs. If you get a sack of brand new coins and study them, you will see more than a few holes in them. Some with gunk still filling them. These ARE errors, or rather flaws. In circulation of course, the coins pick up bag marks and dings and nicks and soon it gets hard to tell them all apart. But looking at the bottom of the gouge, you can see the rough surface of the real strikethroughs compared to the smooth damaged holes. Oh, and don't forget there are three dies... the edges get the same types of flaws and errors as the other two sides, though not as often, being a smaller area.

Nice pics btw... might end up stealing them for the database eventually. :angel:
Title: RE: Aj's errors and PMD
Post by: Cooper S on October 09, 2013, 04:38:16 PM
the roo looks like a camel with the humps :)
Title: RE: Aj's errors and PMD
Post by: Fulvio on October 09, 2013, 08:12:18 PM
Quote from: 'Cooper S' pid='30216' dateline='1381298896'the roo looks like a camel with the humps :)

Hehe.. a camel with three humps? That's why its a roozilla, just like a dinosaur. :)
Title: RE: Aj's errors and PMD
Post by: ausjack on October 10, 2013, 08:49:32 PM
don't know if this willwork but I've just finish the $100 in 20's and found a heap of cuds on the top of the two on the ripple and one lip but these will go back as they're too small to worry about so out of $100 I saved 2 x 2010 bubbles, 1 x 08 gap, 1 x 2003, 1 x 2011 teeth and one 81 with doubling down the left of the pus and I kept it 'cause it's the first I've seen
I hope you can click on the photo so it's big enough to see sorry
(http://i43.tinypic.com/1z1u2z5.jpg)
ok here's the 81
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2ev7zfo.jpg)
Title: RE: Aj's errors and PMD
Post by: robbiegal on October 10, 2013, 08:54:38 PM
those roo - zillas are just too cool
I am going to have to start searching for one
Title: RE: Aj's errors and PMD
Post by: ausjack on October 10, 2013, 09:13:26 PM
your nice and I like you so pick one out RG and I'll send it to ya :)

and they were all 2012 cuds :good:

we have long and short razor back and 2, 3 and 4 lumpers/humpers :laugh2:
Title: RE: Aj's errors and PMD
Post by: robbiegal on October 10, 2013, 09:28:32 PM
thanks mate
i'll try to impress you lot and find one myself
I will be so proud of myself
the chicks at the checkouts are going to think i'm another coin collecting nutter  

one day with all the good advice here I might even find a incused 50c
Title: RE: Aj's errors and PMD
Post by: ausjack on October 10, 2013, 09:33:09 PM
well just yell out when ya finished looking as I have gone thru heaps to find these and same as incuse..I have 2 and have gone thru thousands and thousands of coins but yes we have to keep looking but remember the offer is there :)
Title: RE: Aj's errors and PMD
Post by: robbiegal on October 10, 2013, 09:36:06 PM
OMG
Thousands  .................. :swoon:
Title: RE: Aj's errors and PMD
Post by: trout on October 10, 2013, 09:46:44 PM
On a bit of a side issue AJ.
That bloody Laurena is STILL whinging about you using the Bubble word on CCF, LOVE ya work Mate :diablo::dance2:
Title: RE: Aj's errors and PMD
Post by: ausjack on October 10, 2013, 09:55:12 PM
yeah mate I go thru $200 about every two days or so so I look at a lot of coins..today I've looked at $300 so back to the bank tomorrow..maybe. Between the $200 bag of fifties I got today and the other I have saved there's near 1k sitting there so yes, like GS has said before, a lot of coins to find very little really :( And I have to send you one now 'cause the deals all works out so you send AC a blobby and I send you a roozilla.. I like how things go around here :)

HAHA I'll have to suss it out and maybe have just a little stir :winkextra:
Title: RE: Aj's errors and PMD
Post by: ausjack on October 11, 2013, 10:53:48 AM
just found this 2012 not only does it have a bubble it also has a strange straight cud on the roos tail..wish it was in better nick but them's the breaks ;)
(http://i39.tinypic.com/10wmo2c.jpg)
Title: RE: Aj's errors and PMD
Post by: Fulvio on October 11, 2013, 01:56:57 PM
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='30440' dateline='1381451028'strange straight cud on the roos tail

I must be blind... all I can see is some slight doubling, which might be the lighting. The tail cuds are usually quite large.
Title: RE: Aj's errors and PMD
Post by: trout on October 11, 2013, 02:11:15 PM
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='30469' dateline='1381462017'
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='30440' dateline='1381451028'strange straight cud on the roos tail

I must be blind... all I can see is some slight doubling, which might be the lighting. The tail cuds are usually quite large.

I think you may have to go outside and look at something green ( we were taught this in the Army to relax our eyes) and give your eyes a spell from noodling Mate :ok:
Even MY rheumy old eyes can pick the cud out , it's near the end of the tail :angel:  :laugh2:
Title: RE: Aj's errors and PMD
Post by: Fulvio on October 11, 2013, 02:39:54 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='30474' dateline='1381462875'it's near the end of the tail

What, you mean the bit that looks like a scratch/strikethrough? Curse scans... no relief in them. :(
Title: RE: Aj's errors and PMD
Post by: ausjack on October 11, 2013, 02:45:57 PM
Ok ok as you don't want to put your glasses on here ya go mate :winkextra:
(http://i41.tinypic.com/104000n.jpg)
Title: RE: Aj's errors and PMD
Post by: Fulvio on October 11, 2013, 02:49:35 PM
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='30495' dateline='1381464957'Ok ok as you don't want to put your glasses on here ya go mate

Excellent. Thanks mate.
New one to add to my list too.

I really gotta pull the finger out on writing all this stuff up one day...
Title: RE: Aj's errors and PMD
Post by: ausjack on October 11, 2013, 03:00:44 PM
yeah me too and take a heap of pic's..not looking forward to it either :( Yeah out of all the 2012's I've looked at this was the only one I've found but thought it strange when I seen it ;)
Title: RE: Aj's errors and PMD
Post by: Nevol on October 11, 2013, 03:07:06 PM
My theory on that strip type 'cud' on the tail is that a sliver of metal got in the press and that's where it landed, coin got struck and voila!  

Technical term might be attached 'struck through'. :dontknow:

Any one else got a theory about it? :huh:
Title: RE: Aj's errors and PMD
Post by: Goldseeker on October 11, 2013, 04:31:23 PM
If that is the cud in this discussion, then it is located near his hind leg and not near/close to the end of the roos tail.

Sorry about picking that one up.
Title: RE: Aj's errors and PMD
Post by: ausjack on October 11, 2013, 04:36:19 PM
all good GS, that's why I took the close up so everyone could see what I was talking about ;)
Title: RE: Aj's errors and PMD
Post by: Fulvio on October 11, 2013, 05:18:19 PM
Quote from: 'Nevol' pid='30502' dateline='1381466226'Technical term might be attached 'struck through'. :dontknow:

Technical term is actually a cold shut. If it were, it would look like a separate piece, like all the ones we've previously discussed. And of course being a flaw, it would be a one-off.

Without having it in hand, I'd say reserve judgement until we either find another, or have a really good look at the edges of it. Given the coin has other cudding visible, I'm leaning towards it being a cud. Especially since there are similar, larger flat cuds all over the roo's back on various years.