OK I have gone over to the "Dark Side" and am now a Member of PCGS :angel:
I have decided to sell off some of my extra and spare coins to help fund other areas of my coin collections and getting the higher grade coins Slabbed will get me a better price at auction for them. :good:
I have NEVER personally sent a coin away the "Plastics Factory" and have some basic "Newbie" questions :)
1. What do I house the coins in to send them, eg 2x2's ,saflips or other method?
2. Can I send pre 1965 coins and Post 1965 coins on the same submission form ?
3. What is the best number of coins to send at the one time?
4. Do I have to pay an extra $10 per coin to have the photo on the registry?
Quote from: 'trout' pid='29615' dateline='1380579508'OK I have gone over to the "Dark Side" and am now a Member of PCGS :angel:
I have decided to sell off some of my extra and spare coins to help fund other areas of my coin collections and getting the higher grade coins Slabbed will get me a better price at auction for them. :good:
I have NEVER personally sent a coin away the "Plastics Factory" and have some basic "Newbie" questions :)
1. What do I house the coins in to send them, eg 2x2's ,saflips or other method?
2. Can I send pre 1965 coins and Post 1965 coins on the same submission form ?
3. What is the best number of coins to send at the one time?
4. Do I have to pay an extra $10 per coin to have the photo on the registry?
1. SAFLIPS.
2. No. They need to be on different forms (but you can send them in the same package).
3. Anything over 60 coins is the most economical (return shipping is really the only cost that decreases with volume).
4. All secure plus coins have an image taken. It's not a great image but it's ok. All pre 1964 are secure plus by default. Post 1964 coins can optionally be secure plus (at an extra cost of course).
Cheers Mark :good:
You can combine pre and post 1965 coins on the same form if you send them via economy/regular/express service but this is only cheaper if you have only a couple of post coins.
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='29623' dateline='1380586911'You can combine pre and post 1965 coins on the same form if you send them via economy/regular/express service but this is only cheaper if you have only a couple of post coins.
Thanks Walter.
I think I may do this like I do my tax return, fill a few forms out until I get the best deal :diablo: :laugh2:
PCGS should send you out a welcome pack.
I had success with the online submission process until I hit an order that told me after I'd typed in all 60 coins that 50 coins was the max. d'oh
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='29633' dateline='1380591372'PCGS should send you out a welcome pack.
I had success with the online submission process until I hit an order that told me after I'd typed in all 60 coins that 50 coins was the max. d'oh
I'm only going to send in 10-15 coins for my first effort, So it should be pretty simple.
Where do I find my Collectors Club Member # to put onto the submission form?
What's in the welcome pack?
I love pressies :)
Quote from: 'trout' pid='29634' dateline='1380591831'Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='29633' dateline='1380591372'PCGS should send you out a welcome pack.
I had success with the online submission process until I hit an order that told me after I'd typed in all 60 coins that 50 coins was the max. d'oh
I'm only going to send in 10-15 coins for my first effort, So it should be pretty simple.
Where do I find my Collectors Club Member # to put onto the submission form?
What's in the welcome pack?
I love pressies :)
Some SAFLIPs, some stickers for labelling the SAFLIPs, a bunch of brochures and application forms, and depending on what level of membership you bought, a voucher for some free submissions.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='29635' dateline='1380591905'Quote from: 'trout' pid='29634' dateline='1380591831'Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='29633' dateline='1380591372'PCGS should send you out a welcome pack.
I had success with the online submission process until I hit an order that told me after I'd typed in all 60 coins that 50 coins was the max. d'oh
I'm only going to send in 10-15 coins for my first effort, So it should be pretty simple.
Where do I find my Collectors Club Member # to put onto the submission form?
What's in the welcome pack?
I love pressies :)
Some SAFLIPs, some stickers for labelling the SAFLIPs, a bunch of brochures and application forms, and depending on what level of membership you bought, a voucher for some free submissions.
I went with the Gold membership, the 4 freebies cover the membership costs as far as I can work out :yahoo:
And YES I will be sending that Ducat to get put back in a coffin just to keep you and PP happy :ok:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='29615' dateline='1380579508'OK I have gone over to the "Dark Side" and am now a Member of PCGS :angel:
I have decided to sell off some of my extra and spare coins to help fund other areas of my coin collections and getting the higher grade coins Slabbed will get me a better price at auction for them. :good:
holly molly , i never .:kez_15:..... trout has joined PCGS lol , seriously trout good luck with your submissions it can be :yahoo:
Don't forget to put in your pcgs customs declared value form , i always forget lol
Quote from: 'trout' pid='29636' dateline='1380592468'I went with the Gold membership, the 4 freebies cover the membership costs as far as I can work out :yahoo:
And YES I will be sending that Ducat to get put back in a coffin just to keep you and PP happy :ok:
Be sure to let me know what it grades. That ducat is about the nicest one I have seen.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='29638' dateline='1380592618'Quote from: 'trout' pid='29636' dateline='1380592468'I went with the Gold membership, the 4 freebies cover the membership costs as far as I can work out :yahoo:
And YES I will be sending that Ducat to get put back in a coffin just to keep you and PP happy :ok:
Be sure to let me know what it grades. That ducat is about the nicest one I have seen.
YOU will be the first to know Mate :good:
OK one more dumb question.
What information do I have to put on the saflips when I send them? :angel:
Each Saflip must have a sticker with the submission number and line number of that coin.
See point 19 here (http://www.pcgs.com/SubmissionGuide.html)
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='29655' dateline='1380622693'Each Saflip must have a sticker with the submission number and line number of that coin.
See point 19 here (http://www.pcgs.com/SubmissionGuide.html)
OK
I read that, I do have 2.5x2.5 saflips (Can I use the 2x2 saflips)
Do I have to wait until I get the stickers from pcgs or can I simply write the information required on a blank sticker and use that on each flip?
Gawd this is getting bothersome :dash1:
Sorry about all the dumb questions you Mob but I have Never done this before and it is totally new to me.
So bear with me if you can :angel:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='29657' dateline='1380624267'OK
I read that, I do have 2.5x2.5 saflips (Can I use the 2x2 saflips)
Do I have to wait until I get the stickers from pcgs or can I simply write the information required on a blank sticker and use that on each flip?
Gawd this is getting bothersome :dash1:
Sorry about all the dumb questions you Mob but I have Never done this before and it is totally new to me.
So bear with me if you can :angel:
We use 2 inch saflips without issue. We also use whatever stickers we can find.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='29659' dateline='1380624579'Quote from: 'trout' pid='29657' dateline='1380624267'OK
I read that, I do have 2.5x2.5 saflips (Can I use the 2x2 saflips)
Do I have to wait until I get the stickers from pcgs or can I simply write the information required on a blank sticker and use that on each flip?
Gawd this is getting bothersome :dash1:
Sorry about all the dumb questions you Mob but I have Never done this before and it is totally new to me.
So bear with me if you can :angel:
We use 2 inch saflips without issue. We also use whatever stickers we can find.
WOOHOO
:yahoo:
Thanks Mate :)
Wow!
Who said "You cant teach an old fish new tricks"??
I hope it all goes perfectly for you.
I used cut up jam label stickers, the one's with the red border until recently when I automated with my fantastical sticker label printer doodad.
disclaimer: no they have never been on a jam jar
Quote from: 'Ozcoins' pid='29666' dateline='1380626394'Wow!
Who said "You cant teach an old fish new tricks"??
I hope it all goes perfectly for you.
You know the rules.
When you do something new, Something ALWAYS goes "Pear Shaped" :)
Looks to me like you will be doing everything just right.
I think it should go well.
Quote from: 'Ozcoins' pid='29677' dateline='1380630835'Looks to me like you will be doing everything just right.
I think it should go well.
HeHe
Now all I have to do is make sure ALL the predecimals I send in are MS and without "Details" :angel:
I will post my results when I get them back in a few months.
Warts and all :ok:
I am sending 6x Canberra florins, 2x 1951 jubilee florins and 2x Royal visit florins over to the "Plastics factory" Just to test the waters and give myself a REAL feel of what is required to make a certain grade.
As I have many of these coins and have kept the best of the best in 2x2's , It is interesting to see if the grades I have put on them myself match up with PCGS.
It will be a learning curve for me and believe it or not US "Old Farts" DO and CAN enjoy learning new stuff and enjoy the challenge :angel:
It is nice to see that you have embraced a new facet of your hobby.
Thanks for sharing.
I don't really have anything worth sending to be slabbed - even my most valuable coins are pretty low grade, but it is still nice to see how you are going about it.
Quote from: 'Ozcoins' pid='29709' dateline='1380670279'It is nice to see that you have embraced a new facet of your hobby. Thanks for sharing. I don't really have anything worth sending to be slabbed - even my most valuable coins are pretty low grade, but it is still nice to see how you are going about it.
:i_agree: Same, same for me to all comments expressed by Ozcoins. :whistle2:
I am sure all will run smoothly, if not I am also sure you will let us know.!! :angel:
Quote from: 'Robster' pid='29711' dateline='1380677356'I am sure all will run smoothly, if not I am also sure you will let us know.!! :angel:
I am hoping I don't Stuff it up, I will cross all the "T"s and dot all the "I"s , I hate bloody paperwork :dash1:
In reality it is NOT that expensive to get a membership, $130 for a year with 4 free submissions is not a bad deal.
I won't know anything for a couple of months either way .
It takes quite a while to get the coins there and back :ok:
Not as easy as that Trout unfortunately
runway,
What do you mean?
Seems like trout is doing it fairly easily?
Quote from: 'runway' pid='29929' dateline='1380991774'Not as easy as that Trout unfortunately
I can't see any real dramas in this as long as I am certain that NONE of the coins I send in for grading have been cleaned.
Whatever grades they receive doesn't really matter, What really matters for me is I will get a personal baseline as to how PCGS grade my grades :ok:
I could have taken the easy road and just sent in some of my spare wedding set coins But that wouldn't teach me anything.
I imagine that people like Markn, Walter and Emu have been submitting coins to TPG's for years now and are highly skilled as to what sort of grades they can expect from their submissions .
I also imagine that it wasn't all plain sailing for them when they first started to do this and they would of Paid for their education at some stage :ok:
To answer your statement Runaway,
Yes it IS easy to send coins off to PCGS , Being successful and getting the grades you want however is probably a Whole different Kettle of Fish :angel:
My opinion is if you Never try then you will Never Know and will always be reliant on other peoples opinions and experience.
I personally much prefer gain the knowledge and to be able to form my own educated assessments and going through this process is all part of that education for me :good:
That is why regardless of what grades this first batch get , it really doesn't matter.
What Truly matters is I get a Baseline that I can use for future submissions.
Regardless of the costs involved , That information and education gleaned from my first submission is probably far more valuable than the coins themselves :wavemulticolor:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='29981' dateline='1381098124'Quote from: 'runway' pid='29929' dateline='1380991774'Not as easy as that Trout unfortunately
I can't see any real dramas in this as long as I am certain that NONE of the coins I send in for grading have been cleaned.
Whatever grades they receive doesn't really matter, What really matters for me is I will get a personal baseline as to how PCGS grade my grades :ok:
I could have taken the easy road and just sent in some of my spare wedding set coins But that wouldn't teach me anything.
I imagine that people like Markn, Walter and Emu have been submitting coins to TPG's for years now and are highly skilled as to what sort of grades they can expect from their submissions .
I also imagine that it wasn't all plain sailing for them when they first started to do this and they would of Paid for their education at some stage :ok:
To answer your statement Runaway,
Yes it IS easy to send coins off to PCGS , Being successful and getting the grades you want however is probably a Whole different Kettle of Fish :angel:
My opinion is if you Never try then you will Never Know and will always be reliant on other peoples opinions and experience.
I personally much prefer gain the knowledge and to be able to form my own educated assessments and going through this process is all part of that education for me :good:
That is why regardless of what grades this first batch get , it really doesn't matter.
What Truly matters is I get a Baseline that I can use for future submissions.
Regardless of the costs involved , That information and education gleaned from my first submission is probably far more valuable than the coins themselves :wavemulticolor:
All very sound logic trout. The paperwork is a bit of a hassle but you're right, finding the right coins to send is a lot harder than actually sending them. Make sure to take some notes about each coin and write down an expected grade for each. It's always good to look at what you thought about the coins without the benefit of hindsight.
I know my first few submissions opened my eyes a lot about what coins I had in my collection and the condition they were in.
When I did the paperwork I printed out 2 copies.
I sent 1 with the coins and I have the other in my desk with what I thought that the coins would grade at :ok:
I am doubtful that MY grades will be the same as PCGS but when I get the grades back I will have a FAR better understanding of how they grade :good:
Anyway regardless of my opinions regarding slabbed coins , This is actually quite a lot of FUN and will undoubtedly be educational for me personally.:yahoo:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='29983' dateline='1381101070'Anyway regardless of my opinions regarding slabbed coins , This is actually quite a lot of FUN and will undoubtedly be educational for me personally.:yahoo:
Just because you're getting some coins slabbed it shouldn't ever stop you from enjoying raw coins. The vast majority of my coins are still raw and will remain so. Still, it's always a buzz to find a coin that grades up well at PCGS.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='29985' dateline='1381101562'Quote from: 'trout' pid='29983' dateline='1381101070'Anyway regardless of my opinions regarding slabbed coins , This is actually quite a lot of FUN and will undoubtedly be educational for me personally.:yahoo:
Just because you're getting some coins slabbed it shouldn't ever stop you from enjoying raw coins. The vast majority of my coins are still raw and will remain so. Still, it's always a buzz to find a coin that grades up well at PCGS.
Raw coins are my true passion, I love to be able to hold and touch my coins.
This venture is simply for education and if I am lucky "Financial" gain.
I don't have a single coin in my collections that isn't "Raw", There is only 1 coin that I will get slabbed and that is as a personal favour :angel:
My collections are starting to resemble a Hoard lately and it is time to thin them out so that they can further flourish and expand, Pretty much the same as gardening really :laugh2:
I have many,many Nice duplicate/extra coins and may as well trade them and buy the coins that I need for my various other collections that I don't have examples of :good:
getting my grades spot on and getting these extras slabbed can only assist me in this aim :angel:
Those members that have sent many submissions in DO have the skill to be able to pre judge a coin before sending it with a high degree of accuracy :good:
I have only been grading my coins "Sheldon Style" for about a year and getting them to within a single point of accuracy for me is quite tough.
Unlike the old ANDA system of UNC, Ch UNC, Gem and FDC The Sheldon system has 10 different grades of Uncirculated and now with the advent of the "+" 19 different grades of Uncirculated.
SO yes If I can get within 1 point of what I graded these coins from PCGS on my first attempt It WILL be pure luck :angel:
The more coins I send in will remove this element of luck and hopefully will be replaced with Skill.
I have heard that you can ask for the lower grades not to be graded so if I send any wedding sets I'll ask them not to grade below MS68 but as I have never done this I don't know if they really do but I can't see why not
oh and that one point can make a big diff in dollar value ;)
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='30042' dateline='1381179580'I have heard that you can ask for the lower grades not to be graded so if I send any wedding sets I'll ask them not to grade below MS68 but as I have never done this I don't know if they really do but I can't see why not
oh and that one point can make a big diff in dollar value ;)
From what I can work out they still charge you the grading fee whether they slab them or not.
I think it would be quite a challenge to find a wedding set coin that grades MS67 or lower :angel:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='30042' dateline='1381179580'I have heard that you can ask for the lower grades not to be graded so if I send any wedding sets I'll ask them not to grade below MS68 but as I have never done this I don't know if they really do but I can't see why not
oh and that one point can make a big diff in dollar value ;)
There's only two ways to do that, and neither is a "normal" submission. A bulk submission (100+ coins with a maximum of 5 different dates, coin types) etc can be specified with a minimum grade. Any coin UNDER the minimum grade will not be holdered and there will be no charge for that coin. Unless less than 60% of your order is under your minimum grade in which case there's a charge for those coins (US$5 each).
The other way is a "crossover". Basically this means sending coins into PCGS in NGC or ANACS (or some other company) holders and saying "please cross this over to a PCGS slab if it exceeds MS63". I think there is still a charge if your coin crosses or not though.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='30044' dateline='1381179924'I think it would be quite a challenge to find a wedding set coin that grades MS67 or lower :angel:
It's not that hard with the AlBr coins. They are often toned and spotty even in the wedding sets.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='30044' dateline='1381179924'Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='30042' dateline='1381179580'I have heard that you can ask for the lower grades not to be graded so if I send any wedding sets I'll ask them not to grade below MS68 but as I have never done this I don't know if they really do but I can't see why not
oh and that one point can make a big diff in dollar value ;)
From what I can work out they still charge you the grading fee whether they slab them or not.
I think it would be quite a challenge to find a wedding set coin that grades MS67 or lower :angel:
Not as much a challenge as you think.
Milky tone spots (especially 2005 and 2006 sets).
Hairline scratches that you don't notice until you've taken the coin out of the capsule (or even worse haven't noticed until you received the coin back as MS65).
Poor lacquering of the coins (particularly the $1 coins).
Toning due to the cpsule being improperly sealed.
yes I must agree as I have some wedding set coins that are crap and one of the dollar coins even has the green death :( and not trying to be smart and not putting Eric down so no offence mate but I have seen them around on differnet sites in lesser grades here's a link http://www.drakesterling.com/coins-for-sale/products/2008-twenty-cent so they all don't come back top of the pops but still bloody nice coins :)
A question for you Mob that send 50 cent coins into PCGS.
Do they take the condition of the "Third Side" into account when grading these coins?
I have noticed (even on the Wedding set coins) that there are marks where the coin has been pushed into the collar on these, NOT pmd but simply a part of the minting process.
As these are quite a large coin and the edge is quite a large area I wonder IF it could lower the grade?
I have yet to see a 50 cent coin with perfectly clear edges, Although the rim of the coin is perfect.
I can't find the thread where it was mentioned on Coin Community but has anyone here used the Port MacQuarie guy to slab some coins?,or is it better to send to the States.
Quote from: 'Basil' pid='30064' dateline='1381183678'I can't find the thread where it was mentioned on Coin Community but has anyone here used the Port MacQuarie guy to slab some coins?,or is it better to send to the States.
If the Port MacQuarrie guy is APCGS then most certainly the US is a far better option :angel:
Thanks Trout,i just found the other Threads on Coin Community.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='30058' dateline='1381182416'A question for you Mob that send 50 cent coins into PCGS.
Do they take the condition of the "Third Side" into account when grading these coins?
I have noticed (even on the Wedding set coins) that there are marks where the coin has been pushed into the collar on these, NOT pmd but simply a part of the minting process.
As these are quite a large coin and the edge is quite a large area I wonder IF it could lower the grade?
I have yet to see a 50 cent coin with perfectly clear edges, Although the rim of the coin is perfect.
All bagmarks count but some count more than others.
This may be worth reading;
http://www.coingrading.com/surfpres1.html
QuoteAll bagmarks count but some count more than others.
This may be worth reading;
http://www.coingrading.com/surfpres1.html
Thanks Emu that was an interesting and informative article :good:
What I am referring to isn't Bagging but is formed when the coin is pressed in my opinion.
This is what I am talking about;
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/edge1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/edge.jpg)[/quote]
If they have a sort of melted look to them they would have been on the planchet before the coin was struck.
They will disappear entirely if the strike is very strong
such as in the wedding set coins
or mint set coins
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='30077' dateline='1381187452'If they have a sort of melted look to them they would have been on the planchet before the coin was struck.
They will disappear entirely if the strike is very strong
such as in the wedding set coins
or mint set coins
YES that's what they look like, Not scratches or dings.
More like a melted appearance like you said.
Will something like this make an otherwise perfect coin loose a grade ?
With our other coins being Milled or interrupted Milling it isn't such a big issue But our beloved 50 cent coins have a plain edge and it is readily apparent .
Quote from: 'trout' pid='30079' dateline='1381187910'Quote from: 'emu666' pid='30077' dateline='1381187452'If they have a sort of melted look to them they would have been on the planchet before the coin was struck.
They will disappear entirely if the strike is very strong
such as in the wedding set coins
or mint set coins
YES that's what they look like, Not scratches or dings.
More like a melted appearance like you said.
Will something like this make an otherwise perfect coin loose a grade ?
With our other coins being Milled or interrupted Milling it isn't such a big issue But our beloved 50 cent coins have a plain edge and it is readily apparent .
It will preclude an MS70 grading and depending on the extent it may preclude gradings below this, but once you're at the MS65-66 level it'll have a negligible effect.
Does this one look a bit suspect?Note the spelling of
Australia and the font is different to the normal printed label
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/171144352301?
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='30292' dateline='1381351624'Does this one look a bit suspect?Note the spelling of
Australia and the font is different to the normal printed label
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/171144352301?
It's called an OGH, old green holder. It's what they used to look like.
Where do I go on the PCGS site to find out the status of my sumissions, eg recived, graded or posted.
Or do they send you an email telling you where they are at?
https://www.pcgs.com/membership/login.html
Have fun.
They still haven't started to process our latest batch, but usps tracking shows they were picked up from the post office on Monday.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='30305' dateline='1381358562'https://www.pcgs.com/membership/login.html
Have fun.
They still haven't started to process our latest batch, but usps tracking shows they were picked up from the post office on Monday.
Thanks Emu :good:
tracking shows mine as being picked up on the 8th, That was fast I only posted them on the 3rd.
I imagine they should be graded in 6-8 weeks then :)
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='30294' dateline='1381352221'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='30292' dateline='1381351624'Does this one look a bit suspect?Note the spelling of
Australia and the font is different to the normal printed label
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/171144352301?
It's called an OGH, old green holder. It's what they used to look like.
Thanks for the info PPH
Here are the pic's of my first attempt at getting a coin slabbed.
I thought it was a higher grade but Mark and PCGS guessed differently:angel:
I have sent it to Walter so that he can make me some money for it :dance2: :good:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/19543dd.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/19543dc.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/19543da.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/19543d~0.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/19542db~0.jpg)
Quote from: 'trout' pid='30316' dateline='1381375621'Here are the pic's of my first attempt at getting a coin slabbed.
I thought it was a higher grade but Mark and PCGS guessed differently:angel:
I have sent it to Walter so that he can make me some money for it :dance2: :good:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/19543dd.jpg)
Very nice coin Jim :ok:,blue sheet value is $550 so I hope it goes
close to that for you.If it was mine I wouldn't be able to part
with it
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='30320' dateline='1381377149'Quote from: 'trout' pid='30316' dateline='1381375621'Here are the pic's of my first attempt at getting a coin slabbed.
I thought it was a higher grade but Mark and PCGS guessed differently:angel:
I have sent it to Walter so that he can make me some money for it :dance2: :good:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/19543dd.jpg)
Very nice coin Jim :ok:,blue sheet value is $550 so I hope it goes
close to that for you.If it was mine I wouldn't be able to part
with it
I have "Others" :yahoo:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='30316' dateline='1381375621'I thought it was a higher grade but Mark and PCGS guessed differently:angel:
Get your hands on some cheap MS66 3d's (1963's or 1964's) and see what the differences are between those and your coin. Your coin had a few too many stray hairlines and bag marks to grade too highly. That being said, to pull such a coin from scrap is a mighty fine effort.
I got a swag of MS coins in that scrap lot, only 3 1954 coins unfortunately tho and a couple of ef 1953 jobbies.
One of the very few truly "Unsearched" silver lots I have purchased :good:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='30326' dateline='1381378372'I got a swag of MS coins in that scrap lot, only 3 1954 coins unfortunately tho and a couple of ef 1953 jobbies.
One of the very few truly "Unsearched" silver lots I have purchased :good:
Very nice. I don't recall finding a high grade silver coin in a bulk lot.
QuoteVery nice. I don't recall finding a high grade silver coin in a bulk lot.
I only went through these looking for dates and haven't looked at the rest of them closely yet.
I have quite a few bags of silver in my "Junk" bin that I really should spend some time on and check through them properly
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/3ds1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/3ds.jpg)
junk bin - nice find from a junk bin!
I sorted out my decimal 'junk bins' yesterday and now have two very large albums bursting with PNC's, MYO and various other (RAM) issues that are packaged in all sorts of odd shaped paraphernalia
the pages did cost me a small fortune but well worth it for such excellent organisation of the issues
I cannot believe the amount of decimal items that I have
that post office must see me coming!! ha ha
And here I am, yakking on about how I am a strict pre-dec collector!
that is a good find for a junk bin. I don't even have a junk bin they are all packed away in sleeves and folders.
I posted the coins off on the 3rd and they were "delivered" 11th, Not too shabby as it can normally take weeks for stuff to get to the States :yahoo:
NOW I wait for a few weeks until I will know the grades I suppose :angel:
The last submission I sent through Drake Sterling went through very quickly.
From the 'services' web page they've dropped to 24 days for a World Economy submission which is around 40 days (8 working weeks) less than it was earlier this year.
Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='30721' dateline='1381624238'The last submission I sent through Drake Sterling went through very quickly.
From the 'services' web page they've dropped to 24 days for a World Economy submission which is around 40 days (8 working weeks) less than it was earlier this year.
I Just got an email from PCGS and the coins are in the system as of 10/10/13, So it should be about 5 weeks before I get any results :ok:
I haven't even got my welcome pack yet :cray:
The service is super fast at the moment. Coins sent on 16th September came back on October 14th under the economy service.
Quote from: 'drakesterling' pid='31204' dateline='1381913501'The service is super fast at the moment. Coins sent on 16th September came back on October 14th under the economy service.
Jeepers that IS quick :dance2:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='31188' dateline='1381904300'Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='30721' dateline='1381624238'The last submission I sent through Drake Sterling went through very quickly.
From the 'services' web page they've dropped to 24 days for a World Economy submission which is around 40 days (8 working weeks) less than it was earlier this year.
I Just got an email from PCGS and the coins are in the system as of 10/10/13, So it should be about 5 weeks before I get any results :ok:
I haven't even got my welcome pack yet :cray:
Our latest submission went into the system the same day: we had 30 economy, 256 moderns and 4 bulk orders of 100+. It will be interesting to see if your economy submission is completed sooner than ours.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='31215' dateline='1381919682'Quote from: 'trout' pid='31188' dateline='1381904300'Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='30721' dateline='1381624238'The last submission I sent through Drake Sterling went through very quickly.
From the 'services' web page they've dropped to 24 days for a World Economy submission which is around 40 days (8 working weeks) less than it was earlier this year.
I Just got an email from PCGS and the coins are in the system as of 10/10/13, So it should be about 5 weeks before I get any results :ok:
I haven't even got my welcome pack yet :cray:
Our latest submission went into the system the same day: we had 30 economy, 256 moderns and 4 bulk orders of 100+. It will be interesting to see if your economy submission is completed sooner than ours.
Jesus Mate mine will be a couple of weeks late with an order that size.
I imagine ALL the graders will be flat out just doing that :ok:
Anyway I hope my lousy little lot of 12 coins gets in before that mammoth lot :angel:
Is your order on the shared site Emu?
I got my "Welcome Pack" from PCGS yesterday
4x saflips 4x stickers and a certificate for 4 free submissions.
Looks like the ducat is going off to the plastics factory on Monday :)
I have another dumb question for you PCGS submission experts :angel:
If I submit coins in in say a regular submission and another lot in the modern submission , do I have to pay twice for the return postage ?
I know I have to fill out 2 different forms for each type of submission but do I have to pay twice for the return postage if I send them both in at the same time?
You just know these newbie questions will keep coming until I get this nutted out and remember it's all you Mobs fault for getting me started with this anyway :angel:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='31778' dateline='1382400832'I have another dumb question for you PCGS submission experts :angel:
If I submit coins in in say a regular submission and another lot in the modern submission , do I have to pay twice for the return postage ?
I know I have to fill out 2 different forms for each type of submission but do I have to pay twice for the return postage if I send them both in at the same time?
You just know these newbie questions will keep coming until I get this nutted out and remember it's all you Mobs fault for getting me started with this anyway :angel:
Yes. You pay return postage for each different submission. And a handling charge for each submission. And an insurance charge for each submission. It adds up.
Thanks Mark :good:
That postage is a real stinger with that mob, You think they would simply put the other coins with the first lot and combine the shipping :dash1:
hmm you just send them over in the one package don't you, how they send them back is there choice, I assume they would send them back as one package too
Quote from: 'Australian coin' pid='31782' dateline='1382402094'hmm you just send them over in the one package don't you, how they send them back is there choice, I assume they would send them back as one package too
On each form you fill out it has a postage rate + $8 for each submission.
I imagine the only economical way of doing this is by sending at least 10-20 coins at a time in the same submission category.
The more you send at one time = cheaper postage costs per coin as far as I can work out :angel:
Different types of submissions are done at different times. Once they're done they're sent back straight away.
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='31787' dateline='1382402601'Different types of submissions are done at different times. Once they're done they're sent back straight away.
That makes sense, I noticed that different types of submissions have different time frames and it would be a logistical nightmare to hold a submission until the other was finished and then post it :ok:
Thanks for all the answers you lot :friends:
Yet another question :angel:
Do PCGS send you an invoice or do they simply use the credit card details supplied on the submission and take payment that way ?
What happens if you underestimate the value of the coins you submit.Do they then
just bump it up to the next level?
Quote from: 'trout' pid='31789' dateline='1382402801'Do PCGS send you an invoice or do they simply use the credit card details supplied on the submission and take payment that way ?
They take payment then they tell you about it.
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='31793' dateline='1382404949'What happens if you underestimate the value of the coins you submit.Do they then
just bump it up to the next level?
It's sent back ungraded. Ineligeable for service level or similar. Hasn't happened to us though.
Are you saying that when you forward a coin(s) to PCGS for grading, one must value each and every coin first?
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='31822' dateline='1382410329'Are you saying that when you forward a coin(s) to PCGS for grading, one must value each and every coin first?
Yes.
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='31807' dateline='1382408069'Quote from: 'trout' pid='31789' dateline='1382402801'Do PCGS send you an invoice or do they simply use the credit card details supplied on the submission and take payment that way ?
They take payment then they tell you about it.
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='31793' dateline='1382404949'What happens if you underestimate the value of the coins you submit.Do they then
just bump it up to the next level?
It's sent back ungraded. Ineligeable for service level or similar. Hasn't happened to us though.
Thanks PPH but what what happens if you overgrade it?
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='31828' dateline='1382411428'Thanks PPH but what what happens if you overgrade it?
Overvalue?
Nothing. Maybe though if it goes missing then they'll look more closely at the value when it comes time to pay out.
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='31830' dateline='1382411623'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='31828' dateline='1382411428'Thanks PPH but what what happens if you overgrade it?
Overvalue?
Nothing. Maybe though if it goes missing then they'll look more closely at the value when it comes time to pay out.
Ok good to know but you really need to know your stuff with some coins being difficult to tell the difference between wear and weak strike
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='31828' dateline='1382411428'Thanks PPH but what what happens if you overgrade it?
You have a fine line to tread here. You can value a coin at what you PAID or what you believe it's worth is. The value is used by PCGS for insurance purposes. Generally we either value a coin at what we paid, or if we think it was grossly under-valued then we use a common sense value. I do not believe there's any point calling all your coins GEMs and valuing them accordingly. Simply because some of them won't be.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='31839' dateline='1382413194'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='31828' dateline='1382411428'Thanks PPH but what what happens if you overgrade it?
You have a fine line to tread here. You can value a coin at what you PAID or what you believe it's worth is. The value is used by PCGS for insurance purposes. Generally we either value a coin at what we paid, or if we think it was grossly under-valued then we use a common sense value. I do not believe there's any point calling all your coins GEMs and valuing them accordingly. Simply because some of them won't be.
All good points Mark.I was just asking because I was thinking of a particular coin I have (1915 Threepence) which has a fairly good strike
and was egreed on by a few members to be AU58 from my dodgy photos but I would be worried that it might grade as UNC as you would need to see it in hand to make an accurate judgement considering strike etc but I suppose that's my call if I send it away for grading
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='31841' dateline='1382413762'All good points Mark.I was just asking because I was thinking of a particular coin I have (1915 Threepence) which has a fairly good strike
and was egreed on by a few members to be AU58 from my dodgy photos but I would be worried that it might grade as UNC as you would need to see it in hand to make an accurate judgement considering strike etc but I suppose that's my call if I send it away for grading
I don't think there's any point postulating what the value might be. If it gets lost then it's gone and the grade is irrelevant. So make sure you get your money back plus something if you think you severely underpaid for the coin.
We have valued coins at $50 that (because of the grade they received) were actually worth MANY multiples of that. But if the coin got lost we wouldn't have been out of pocket. Sure there's an opportunity cost but they are almost impossibly to quantify exactly.
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='31841' dateline='1382413762'Quote from: 'markn' pid='31839' dateline='1382413194'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='31828' dateline='1382411428'Thanks PPH but what what happens if you overgrade it?
You have a fine line to tread here. You can value a coin at what you PAID or what you believe it's worth is. The value is used by PCGS for insurance purposes. Generally we either value a coin at what we paid, or if we think it was grossly under-valued then we use a common sense value. I do not believe there's any point calling all your coins GEMs and valuing them accordingly. Simply because some of them won't be.
All good points Mark.I was just asking because I was thinking of a particular coin I have (1915 Threepence) which has a fairly good strike
and was egreed on by a few members to be AU58 from my dodgy photos but I would be worried that it might grade as UNC as you would need to see it in hand to make an accurate judgement considering strike etc but I suppose that's my call if I send it away for grading
Cool. That's a great grade for a 1915 threepence, better than any I've owned.
We usually use the price we paid for a coin unless we obtained it really cheaply, such as in a bulk lot. In that case we use what we think it is worth.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='31861' dateline='1382425817'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='31841' dateline='1382413762'Quote from: 'markn' pid='31839' dateline='1382413194'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='31828' dateline='1382411428'Thanks PPH but what what happens if you overgrade it?
You have a fine line to tread here. You can value a coin at what you PAID or what you believe it's worth is. The value is used by PCGS for insurance purposes. Generally we either value a coin at what we paid, or if we think it was grossly under-valued then we use a common sense value. I do not believe there's any point calling all your coins GEMs and valuing them accordingly. Simply because some of them won't be.
All good points Mark.I was just asking because I was thinking of a particular coin I have (1915 Threepence) which has a fairly good strike
and was egreed on by a few members to be AU58 from my dodgy photos but I would be worried that it might grade as UNC as you would need to see it in hand to make an accurate judgement considering strike etc but I suppose that's my call if I send it away for grading
Cool. That's a great grade for a 1915 threepence, better than any I've owned.
We usually use the price we paid for a coin unless we obtained it really cheaply, such as in a bulk lot. In that case we use what we think it is worth.
I picked it up last year for $230 so I don't know how that would fly so would probably have to go with AU58
If you value it at $275 it can go in an economy submission.
Considering it's catalogue value and you think it might grade AU58 then you'd need to send it regular. If you sent it economy they may decline to grade it if they feel it's over the $300 value for that service.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='31866' dateline='1382426964'If you value it at $275 it can go in an economy submission.
I wouldn't risk them not grading it.
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='31869' dateline='1382427091'Considering it's catalogue value and you think it might grade AU58 then you'd need to send it regular. If you sent it economy they may decline to grade it if they feel it's over the $300 value for that service.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='31866' dateline='1382426964'If you value it at $275 it can go in an economy submission.
I wouldn't risk them not grading it.
I would say it's worth more than $300
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Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='31870' dateline='1382427415'Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='31869' dateline='1382427091'Considering it's catalogue value and you think it might grade AU58 then you'd need to send it regular. If you sent it economy they may decline to grade it if they feel it's over the $300 value for that service.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='31866' dateline='1382426964'If you value it at $275 it can go in an economy submission.
I wouldn't risk them not grading it.
I would say it's worth more than $300
Based on those pics I don't think it has a hope of grading MS.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='31871' dateline='1382427459'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='31870' dateline='1382427415'Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='31869' dateline='1382427091'Considering it's catalogue value and you think it might grade AU58 then you'd need to send it regular. If you sent it economy they may decline to grade it if they feel it's over the $300 value for that service.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='31866' dateline='1382426964'If you value it at $275 it can go in an economy submission.
I wouldn't risk them not grading it.
I would say it's worth more than $300
Based on those pics I don't think it has a hope of grading MS.
I'd be happy with AU
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='31873' dateline='1382427660'I'd be happy with AU
Send it on a regular submission. See what PCGS think. I think regardless it's worth putting it in a slab with a thought to the future.
REGULAR cost $45 max. value $3,000
ECONOMY cost $25 max value $300
I think ECONOMY would suffice.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='31876' dateline='1382428287'REGULAR cost $45 max. value $3,000
ECONOMY cost $25 max value $300
I think ECONOMY would suffice.
It might be worth a punt.
OK, if one has to value a coin before one sends it to PCGS., could I ask some forum members to value my mules that I have posted in the GALLERY Section of this forum. Each coin shows both obverse and reverse and are slightly overexposed thus some loss in colour.
Assistance appreciated.
stevo1962, send it via economy. My charges are AU$40 per coin for economy submission (return shipping from PCGS and to you covered). Looks AU58 to me. You can also send it to PCGS yourself directly, although, as mentioned elsewhere in the forum, it's not economical if you only have a handful of coins.
Eric
Just wondering if the members who send coins to PCGS for grading also insure them on the trip as it seems like a huge outlay if the coins are high value
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='32170' dateline='1382657326'Just wondering if the members who send coins to PCGS for grading also insure them on the trip as it seems like a huge outlay if the coins are high value
If i have other peoples coins in my submission , i sometimes do use insurance , but i don't like how they AP put a insurance sticker on front of parcel with description of contents , i usually scribble numismatic products . IF sending coins for myself , most the time i give insurance a miss.
Yes, what an invitation to light fingers. I sent a quite large value parcel the other day -$500 insurance. Buyer wanted express post with insurance so it is now in transit sporting a large label with a space asking for a detailed description of contents and another with insured value marked.
Surely there must be a more discreet way?
Quote from: 'bellyflorin' pid='32190' dateline='1382674086'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='32170' dateline='1382657326'Just wondering if the members who send coins to PCGS for grading also insure them on the trip as it seems like a huge outlay if the coins are high value
If i have other peoples coins in my submission , i sometimes do use insurance , but i don't like how they AP put a insurance sticker on front of parcel with description of contents , i usually scribble numismatic products . IF sending coins for myself , most the time i give insurance a miss.
I did the same on my 2 lots of submissions :ok:
I described the coins as "Numismatic Items" and set them registered with tracking and signature.
My first lot got there ok and my second lot have only been in the mail for 3 days.
Another nervous 5-6 days to go yet :angel:
How'd you go trout? Any results yet? :)
Eric
Quote from: 'drakesterling' pid='32543' dateline='1382855079'How'd you go trout? Any results yet? :)
Eric
Nothing yet Mate :dash1:
I have sent another submission in since so I have 2 lots of waiting now :angel:
I am going to send some decimals in for submission in a couple of weeks and they will take even longer.
This can be addictive me thinks :blush:
Just wait until you get the email from PCGS saying that "Your PCGS grades are available". :wavemulticolor:
Quote from: 'drakesterling' pid='32603' dateline='1382871368'Just wait until you get the email from PCGS saying that "Your PCGS grades are available". :wavemulticolor:
Win , Loose or draw I am SOOO waiting for that email :angel:
This is my FIRST crack at doing this so the educational value for me personally will be awesome.
The waiting is bloody frustrating tho :angel:
Yeah tell me about it, I wanna know if I won the comp hehe
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='32615' dateline='1382875968'Yeah tell me about it, I wanna know if I won the comp hehe
As most of the members are not interested to have a crack at grading these coins YOU have a real good chance of winning Mate :dodgy:
I normally run a "Quiz" and there will be 20-30 takers but not the one on my PCGS submissions this time :angel:
I've been going to have a crack at it Trout but keep getting distracted. Thanks for the reminder.
I am much the same as unicorn.
As Sheldon grading is something I know so little about, I need to learn a bit before I can give it a proper go.
I could just guess so I can enter the competition, but would not learn much from that.
Thanks for doing it even if there are not many entries.
My second submission finally made it to PCGS and my stress levels have dropped considerably as there is 4 nice gold coins in that lot.:yahoo:
As these have been sent as a regular submission they should be graded at about the same time as the economy submission I sent in earlier.
Another 2-3 weeks and the waiting should be over to get my grade results, then another few weeks before I actually have the coins back "In Hand" :dash1:
well that's half the worry over mate, now ya just gotta get them back and that's just as big a worry I would think :(
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='33067' dateline='1383253682'well that's half the worry over mate, now ya just gotta get them back and that's just as big a worry I would think :(
I didn't send them "Insured" as I would of had to put a detailed description of the coins on the package, Sort of a "Come Steal Me" sticker on it :ok:
My understanding is PCGS sends them back insured ( that's why the huge postage costs) So if they do go "Missing" I will at least have the funds available to try and replace them :good:
Oh that's ok then :)
So it shouldn't be long and you can send me my winnings :winkextra:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='33065' dateline='1383253421'My second submission finally made it to PCGS and my stress levels have dropped considerably as there is 4 nice gold coins in that lot.:yahoo:
As these have been sent as a regular submission they should be graded at about the same time as the economy submission I sent in earlier.
Another 2-3 weeks and the waiting should be over to get my grade results, then another few weeks before I actually have the coins back "In Hand" :dash1:
I hear you Jim, 4 of my best coins will be winging it over to PCGS today so my dtress levels are just peaking
QuoteI hear you Jim, 4 of my best coins will be winging it over to PCGS today so my dtress levels are just peaking
I had no qualms about paying for the extra charges to insure the coins , I just didn't want to put a huge target on the back of the package :ok:
Yes it does help when you see the coins up on the PCGS membership page as "recived" :good:
20753877 4923707 10/31/2013 N/A OK 4 CC Voucher - World
20748609 8476042 10/15/2013 N/A OK 12 World-Economy
Quote from: 'trout' pid='32612' dateline='1382875507'Quote from: 'drakesterling' pid='32603' dateline='1382871368'Just wait until you get the email from PCGS saying that "Your PCGS grades are available". :wavemulticolor:
Win , Loose or draw I am SOOO waiting for that email :angel:
This is my FIRST crack at doing this so the educational value for me personally will be awesome.
The waiting is bloody frustrating tho :angel:
You can sometimes find out your grades before the actual email from PCGS. This happens for my stuff.
They seem to show up on the population report first.
So you need to keep an eye on it to see if any of your dates have been added.
This report gets updated each week I think - seems to be Sunday night our time.
You can never be sure if its your coins but you can get a rough idea and at least know that the email will come through shortly.
I have found that the grades show up on your membership, then you get the email then the next day some images show up and it appears on the pop report last.
They used top charge your CC when the order was received but they now do it once the coins are graded.
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='33183' dateline='1383284519'I have found that the grades show up on your membership, then you get the email then the next day some images show up and it appears on the pop report last.
They used top charge your CC when the order was received but they now do it once the coins are graded.
HeHe
I check my CC account and my membership page twice a day :blush:
Am I the only one here that does that?
I do it only once a day.
Quote from: 'drakesterling' pid='33186' dateline='1383286345'I do it only once a day.
HeHe, I just checked again (1:03:40 AM) over there.
Don't these buggers do night shift :)
Current turn around times in "Working Days from the PCGS site, after they have been received.
US World
Express 6 10
Regular 9 15
Economy 22 28
Modern 13 47
I cannot understand why it takes only 13 days to grade a modern US coin and it takes 47 days to grade a coin from elsewhere in the world.
I was and still am under the assumption that the "Sheldon" grading system can and is applied to ALL coins regardless of their Country of origin by PCGS.
As we have to pay a "Premium" for World secure to get our Aussie coins graded (above the standard fees listed for US costomers) then we should in fact get a faster service for paying that extra fee.
Am I the only one that thinks this is quite unfair and wrong?
Or does PCGS only consider Australia to be part of a "Secondary Market" and really don't give a rat's about us anyway?
"Secondary Market" :(
Quote from: 'trout' pid='33211' dateline='1383297534'Current turn around times in "Working Days from the PCGS site, after they have been received.
US World
Express 6 10
Regular 9 15
Economy 22 28
Modern 13 47
I cannot understand why it takes only 13 days to grade a modern US coin and it takes 47 days to grade a coin from elsewhere in the world.
I was and still am under the assumption that the "Sheldon" grading system can and is applied to ALL coins regardless of their Country of origin by PCGS.
As we have to pay a "Premium" for World secure to get our Aussie coins graded (above the standard fees listed for US costomers) then we should in fact get a faster service for paying that extra fee.
Am I the only one that thinks this is quite unfair and wrong?
Or does PCGS only consider Australia to be part of a "Secondary Market" and really don't give a rat's about us anyway?
I wish we'd taped Muriel's talk at the ANDA fair. I'll try to put down the main points as I remember them.
None of the graders know who has submitted a coin or indeed which coin belongs with which order.
All coins coming into PCGS must be authenticated.
There are of course less PCGS employees qualified to authenticate the older "world" coins than US ones (more recent ones such as our decimals are easier to authenticate so there are more people qualified). Therefore this will take longer for world submissions. I suspect we are talking about few enough employees that when one or two take leave the system slows down.
Each coin must be graded independently by two graders. If they both give the coin the same grade, fine. If not it goes to a third grader. Almost all the time he will come up with the same grade as one of the other two, thus determining grade. On the rare occasion thathe disagrees with both the other two, the coin will be sent back to begin the process again. This of course holds up the entire order and is naturally more likely to occur for bigger orders.
I am already aware of how they grade and it is a GOOD thing that none of the graders know whose coins they are grading :good:
I just would of assumed that one of you blokes would have asked the simple question of why it takes a disproportionate amount of time to grade an Aussie coin compared to a US coin while you had the chance :ok:
Sorry I didn't make myself clear.
It is because there have fewer people qualified to identify and authentic non US coins.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='33262' dateline='1383320320'Sorry I didn't make myself clear.
It is because there have fewer people qualified to identify and authentic non US coins.
No worries, looks like they should recruit some more graders that are capable/qualified to do the "Darkside" coins :ok:
PCGS graded coins seem to have taken off in the last couple of years in Aus so if they don't get more people then the turn around times are going to blow right out :angel:
I'd rather we got a decent lot here and save the time money and stress but it's a ways of yet
Do you have to select the oversized holder for any australian coins
It shouldn't be long for you now trout.
We received the grades for our predecimal economy submission on Saturday our time.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='34181' dateline='1384287180'It shouldn't be long for you now trout.
We received the grades for our predecimal economy submission on Saturday our time.
I got mine back and was a bit disappointed , But at least now I know what there standards are .
The order # is 20748609 and it is on the shared page :ok:
The most I paid for any of the coins I sent was $25 so I don't consider it a waste of time anyway.
I have been away bush since last Tuesday and am home for 3 hrs then I'm off again for another week.
I have a few gold coins being graded and they should be done in a couple of days, I'll see how they go.
One of them was graded MS63 by NGC so that one will be interesting to see how it crosses over.
what is the shared page guys?
it is a learning curve Trout - practice makes perfect
I have only sent stuff through a friend but fortunately the coins came in at or above my predictions
but the friend also returned all or any of the silvers that I sent - she reckoned they were either cleaned or would grade too poor - so I had the help of someone with more experience
but I will say that I did ok with selecting and grading the aussie pre-dec bronze and that is certainly the only numismatic area that I lay claim to
Quote from: 'trout' pid='34184' dateline='1384292051'I got mine back and was a bit disappointed , But at least now I know what there standards are .
Sorry you didn't get the numbers you were looking for trout. If you get a chance try taking a look at a few MS63/64/65 parliaments, or even big pictures of the same. Will give you a good idea of what PCGS found lacking in your coins.
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='34188' dateline='1384304084'what is the shared page guys?
it is a learning curve Trout - practice makes perfect
I have only sent stuff through a friend but fortunately the coins came in at or above my predictions
but the friend also returned all or any of the silvers that I sent - she reckoned they were either cleaned or would grade too poor - so I had the help of someone with more experience
but I will say that I did ok with selecting and grading the aussie pre-dec bronze and that is certainly the only numismatic area that I lay claim to
Silver can be tough to pick when lightly cleaned or circulated. But you're a bronze queen so it's no surprise you've got that all sorted :)
Quote from: 'trout' pid='34184' dateline='1384292051'One of them was graded MS63 by NGC so that one will be interesting to see how it crosses over.
From what I remember of that coin it was a solid 63 so I'd hope that PCGS felt the same way. Of course (and this is not ass covering on my behalf) they are different companies and the grade at NGC in no way guarantees the same grade at PCGS. In fact, most people would suggest that PCGS are tougher on grades than NGC and would equate an NGC 63 to a possible PCGS MS62. But to my mind, a MS62 is a problem coin with excessive bagging or over-dipped or hairlined. I don't recall your ducat having any issues like that.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='34197' dateline='1384310949'But to my mind, a MS62 is a problem coin with excessive bagging or over-dipped or hairlined. I don't recall your ducat having any issues like that.
You certainly aim for better MS62 if you collected even average silver But for gold, MS62 is still very collectable :blush:
Eric
Quote from: 'drakesterling' pid='34199' dateline='1384311339'You certainly aim for better MS62 if you collected even average silver But for gold, MS62 is still very collectable :blush:
Eric
Oops sorry I forgot about you collectors on the dark (errr golden) side :)
Quote from: 'markn' pid='34197' dateline='1384310949'But to my mind, a MS62 is a problem coin with excessive bagging or over-dipped or hairlined.
NO way!! That is just plain wrong.
An MS62 is a low end unc. It has bagmarks and often hairlines but the metal is all there.
MS61 or MS60 (which don';t crop up all that often) are what we'd call unc with problems.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='34209' dateline='1384314342'Quote from: 'markn' pid='34197' dateline='1384310949'But to my mind, a MS62 is a problem coin with excessive bagging or over-dipped or hairlined.
NO way!! That is just plain wrong.
An MS62 is a low end unc. It has bagmarks and often hairlines but the metal is all there.
MS61 or MS60 (which don';t crop up all that often) are what we'd call unc with problems.
Well we can disagree. The silver I've had graded that has come back MS62 has always been "slider" material.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='34214' dateline='1384314788'Quote from: 'emu666' pid='34209' dateline='1384314342'Quote from: 'markn' pid='34197' dateline='1384310949'But to my mind, a MS62 is a problem coin with excessive bagging or over-dipped or hairlined.
NO way!! That is just plain wrong.
An MS62 is a low end unc. It has bagmarks and often hairlines but the metal is all there.
MS61 or MS60 (which don';t crop up all that often) are what we'd call unc with problems.
Well we can disagree. The silver I've had graded that has come back MS62 has always been "slider" material.
no
I believe the common usage for "slider" to be one that looks unc is just touched off and grades AU58. A coin with excessive dipping or excessive hairlines will come back in a body bag. Excessive bagmarking is more acceptable as it has occurred or can be assumed to have occurred at the time of manufacture.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='34226' dateline='1384322060'Quote from: 'markn' pid='34214' dateline='1384314788'Quote from: 'emu666' pid='34209' dateline='1384314342'Quote from: 'markn' pid='34197' dateline='1384310949'But to my mind, a MS62 is a problem coin with excessive bagging or over-dipped or hairlined.
NO way!! That is just plain wrong.
An MS62 is a low end unc. It has bagmarks and often hairlines but the metal is all there.
MS61 or MS60 (which don';t crop up all that often) are what we'd call unc with problems.
Well we can disagree. The silver I've had graded that has come back MS62 has always been "slider" material.
no
I believe the common usage for "slider" to be one that looks unc is just touched off and grades AU58. A coin with excessive dipping or excessive hairlines will come back in a body bag. Excessive bagmarking is more acceptable as it has occurred or can be assumed to have occurred at the time of manufacture.
A coin can have excessive bagging or hairlines to my eye and grade ms62. Just because it still grades doesn't stop it having issues. I don't believe I said that an ms62, had metal missing. And yes the slider terminology can apply to UNC/au transition but it can also apply to grading/no grading.
By the way you can argue against what I think about ms62's until you're blue in the face but its my opinion and its different to yours. I doubt much you can say will change it.
True. You are a stubborn bugger.
Understandably you prefer higher grade coins than MS62 and obviously have a different definition of "excessive" as in excessive hairlines than do PCGS.
I don't recommend you to take up collecting circulating gold coinage.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='34184' dateline='1384292051'Quote from: 'emu666' pid='34181' dateline='1384287180'It shouldn't be long for you now trout.
We received the grades for our predecimal economy submission on Saturday our time.
I got mine back and was a bit disappointed , But at least now I know what there standards are .
The order # is 20748609 and it is on the shared page :ok:
The most I paid for any of the coins I sent was $25 so I don't consider it a waste of time anyway.
I have been away bush since last Tuesday and am home for 3 hrs then I'm off again for another week.
I have a few gold coins being graded and they should be done in a couple of days, I'll see how they go.
One of them was graded MS63 by NGC so that one will be interesting to see how it crosses over.
That was OK for a first try. You only had 2 body bags out of 12. That is a better result than many dealers achieve on first go.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='34230' dateline='1384325288'True. You are a stubborn bugger.
Understandably you prefer higher grade coins than MS62 and obviously have a different definition of "excessive" as in excessive hairlines than do PCGS.
I don't recommend you to take up collecting circulating gold coinage.
I don't mind some MS62's, older coins (pre 1850) especially. Some gold too. But more modern silver? Eww.
I could provide a home for a 1922/1 3d in MS62.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='34247' dateline='1384328080'I could provide a home for a 1922/1 3d in MS62.
I don't see myself ever owning a real key-date coin. Simply because I won't be able to afford one in the quality I'd prefer. I'd be happy with a 22/21 in MS62. If I found it in scrap. Or unattributed in a dealers books. Otherwise, pass.
(http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/boxing/smileys-boxing-520174.gif)
Quote from: 'markn' pid='34251' dateline='1384328253'Quote from: 'emu666' pid='34247' dateline='1384328080'I could provide a home for a 1922/1 3d in MS62.
I don't see myself ever owning a real key-date coin. Simply because I won't be able to afford one in the quality I'd prefer. I'd be happy with a 22/21 in MS62. If I found it in scrap. Or unattributed in a dealers books. Otherwise, pass.
Are you sure you wouldn't mind being so rich you could afford to BUY one?
Actually even if you could afford to buy one, it would be harder to find one in that grade.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='34261' dateline='1384328890'Are you sure you wouldn't mind being so rich you could afford to BUY one?
Well that's different isn't it? Right now if I had the money (and I don't, not even close) I could imagine myself spending $5,000 on a beautiful MS65 George V florin or something similar. But on a scrubber 22/21? No way. But you know what, I'd still want to find that florin myself rather than get it through a dealer. Even if I had 10 times the money I do now (which would give me $10) I'd still want to find the coin myself. That's where the pleasure is.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='34251' dateline='1384328253'Quote from: 'emu666' pid='34247' dateline='1384328080'I could provide a home for a 1922/1 3d in MS62.
I don't see myself ever owning a real key-date coin. Simply because I won't be able to afford one in the quality I'd prefer. I'd be happy with a 22/21 in MS62. If I found it in scrap. Or unattributed in a dealers books. Otherwise, pass.
Do ANY dealers have 1922 threepences that would grade MS62 in their books:shok: Best I see are gF (and mostly aVG) with all the nicer grades in 2X2s. You would have to be really , REALLY lucky to find a 22/21 wrongly attributed as a 1922 in MS62.
Expect to pay $100,000 (plus) if you want one that nice, and that is assuming that any would grade that high.
Chris Meallin told me there are several unc 1922/1 threepences.
I've never been fortunate enough to see one of those.
I did see the one that is now in George Fenton's 3d set. It is a nice natural coin with almost full lustre (the reverse would grade as unc); unfortunately has a scratch in front of His Majesty's nose.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='34468' dateline='1384506517'Chris Meallin told me there are several unc 1922/1 threepences.
I've never been fortunate enough to see one of those.
I did see the one that is now in George Fenton's 3d set. It is a nice natural coin with almost full lustre (the reverse would grade as unc); unfortunately has a scratch in front of His Majesty's nose.
There were one or two Uncs in the Mitchell library that were stolen decades ago (David Gee?) and the variety was published back in about 1924 so a few were put away very early.
The best in PCGS is AU58
I have two of the over dated 1921/22 threepences but neither of them would grade that high.....pity.
I am sending 13 wedding set coins off to be graded on Monday.
I am sure that AJ will be interested to see how these grade :good: :)
My Gold coins haven't been graded as of Friday But it shouldn't be too long now :angel:
You've been bitten by the grading bug trout. Congratulations!
Quote from: 'drakesterling' pid='34641' dateline='1384656606'You've been bitten by the grading bug trout. Congratulations!
HeHe, I just do it so that I can get the flash blue boxes :) :dance2:
I have just sent off nine of my coins via our PNGS Contact for grading and slabbing. They were dispatched on Friday.
I shall advise you all of the results when the coins are returned.
After seeing heaps of coins at the recent International Coins Expo at Etihad Stadium, it makes me wonder why we ALL don't slab out coins.
The slabbed coins looked great.
If I wanted all mine slabbed, it would cost and absolute fortune with just under 700 Decimal UNC coins in my collection. I am not worried about my pre decimals as they are already marked and handled.
Not sure of how things will be in a month or so, but the current turn around times are quite good for those wanting to give it a go.
I sent 4 of my best coins away a couple of weeks ago and will be hoping to send about 30 predecimal UNCs away to PCGS next year and maybe some decimals.I think it's the way to go for a collector/reseller
I have noticed that the turn around times have "Blown out" a bit at PCGS :dash1:
It is probably due to people getting coins graded for Christmas gifts.
My last submission (regular) was received on 31/10/13 and at that time it was a 15 day turn around , it is now 22 days :cray:
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='34743' dateline='1384687481'I sent 4 of my best coins away a couple of weeks ago and will be hoping to send about 30 predecimal UNCs away to PCGS next year and maybe some decimals.I think it's the way to go for a collector/reseller
pity
but true
anyways good luck
I will warn you though, that when they come back looking fantastic it is hard to then part with them by selling them
but sometimes necessity rules! (well it does for me)
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='35310' dateline='1385252285'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='34743' dateline='1384687481'I sent 4 of my best coins away a couple of weeks ago and will be hoping to send about 30 predecimal UNCs away to PCGS next year and maybe some decimals.I think it's the way to go for a collector/reseller
pity
but true
anyways good luck
I will warn you though, that when they come back looking fantastic it is hard to then part with them by selling them
but sometimes necessity rules! (well it does for me)
How true Robbie but it's the best way to enhance the value for the day when and if I can finally part with them but luckily for now they
can holiday with me for a few years
so who won your comp Trout :)
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='35321' dateline='1385256729'so who won your comp Trout :)
I have only just got home, I will suss out that this arvo :ok:
I have had an attack of "Ground Lice" in my veggie patch while I was away and have to try and salvage what is left of it :dash1:
all good mate :good: shame ya plants got hammered but I hope you can save some
Is there an organisation in Oz that does these gradings??
I would imagine that many would submit their coins locally from grading and slabbing, perhaps a business opportunity for someone in the coin business?
umm yeah they've sort of tried that EH but oz doesn't have a big enough population yet and it's a shame as yes I think if they could get it right it would work well
Quote from: 'error hunter' pid='35334' dateline='1385272493'Is there an organisation in Oz that does these gradings??
I would imagine that many would submit their coins locally from grading and slabbing, perhaps a business opportunity for someone in the coin business?
That my friend is one of my pet wishes :ok:
My main objection to getting coins slabbed is because they have to be sent to the States and be graded by Yanks at an exorbitant cost due to postage, It also adds at least 10-15 days because of the distance involved :dash1:
The biggest hurdle to getting an Australian grading company up and running is that there are very few people qualified to do the job here that are not dealers, also there wouldn't be a great deal of money in it anyway.
APCGS is having a crack at it but quite frankly that mob are just a joke and totally untrustworthy .
It may happen eventually but that would take years of work for little return for anyone that has a go at doing it simply because it would take years to gain a reputation for consistent and accurate grading to be established.
PCGS and NGC are for now the front runners in the slabbing game and they are recognised Globally , it would take many years of hard, diligent and accurate work without much monitory reward to achieve the same status as those two companies.
For the moment we are reliant on the US companies to grade and slab our coins and that is just the way it is.
Don't get me wrong I would certainly support and use an Australian Grading company as long as the right people were involved in it and I had faith in their grading abilities and fairness :good:
We have to face the fact that the Australian collector base is quite small compared to other countries and out of that number of collectors a large percentage simply noodle their coins out of circulation, another large percentage only buy "Raw" coins from various places and are quite frankly a little bit awed at the price of slabbed coins and just cannot afford them.
IMHO only about 10% of Aussie collectors actively seek the higher graded slabbed coins for their collections so that dramatically shrinks the customer base for anyone wanting to start up some competition to the big grading companies.
We may get a reliable honest Australian grading company eventually , But I think I will be long gone before that happens (Unfortunately) :dash1:
QuoteAPCGS
Someone from the facebook group sent a number of mules to APCGS for slabbing. Highest grade they got back was AU50.
They sent to PCGS, got 3 MS63s and 2 AU58's.
If the coins were sold in APCGS slabs, I dare say the price realised would have been in the VF possibly EF range.
In PCGS MS63, you're looking at 10x the realisation
-rob
be all right if they PCGS set one up her and just sent the money back like so many other business, just puttin it out there :)
Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='35337' dateline='1385274892'QuoteAPCGS
Someone from the facebook group sent a number of mules to APCGS for slabbing. Highest grade they got back was AU50.
They sent to PCGS, got 3 MS63s and 2 AU58's.
If the coins were sold in APCGS slabs, I dare say the price realised would have been in the VF possibly EF range.
In PCGS MS63, you're looking at 10x the realisation
-rob
There is absolutely NO faith in APCGS within the ranks of Aussie collectors so I have NO idea why anyone in their right mind would use them to slab any coin , Let alone a bunch of good mules :dash1:
Here's hoping that Goldies mules he sent to PCGS get these sort of grades :good:
I should have the coins back sometime late January or early February. Just have to wait it out for the wheels to turn.
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='35340' dateline='1385279807'I should have the coins back sometime late January or early February. Just have to wait it out for the wheels to turn.
I have my fingers crossed for you Mate :good:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='35341' dateline='1385279959'Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='35340' dateline='1385279807'I should have the coins back sometime late January or early February. Just have to wait it out for the wheels to turn.
I have my fingers crossed for you Mate :good:
Me too!
Good luck Goldseeker!
This is a list of the coins I sent away this morning to the "Plastics Factory"
Wedding set coins
2002 50c 20c
2004 $2 10c
2005 $2 $1 50c
2007 $1 20c 10c 5c
2008 50c
2009 $2
1970 Captain Cook x2 (Specimen coins)
2005 50c COA (PNC issue coin)
Quote from: 'trout' pid='35383' dateline='1385347567'This is a list of the coins I sent away this morning to the "Plastics Factory"
Wedding set coins
2002 50c 20c
2004 $2 10c
2005 $2 $1 50c
2007 $1 20c 10c 5c
2008 50c
2009 $2
1970 Captain Cook x2 (Specimen coins)
2005 50c COA (PNC issue coin)
With a view to selling no doubt.It will be interesting to see how the Wedding coins fair as they all seem to very high grade
QuoteWith a view to selling no doubt.It will be interesting to see how the Wedding coins fair as they all seem to very high grade
I am hoping for the "SP" designation for the Captain Cook coins, I went through 34 of them to find the best 2 :ok:
The Wedding set coins are blindingly lustrous and specimen quality so they should grade quite well (I hope)
When I get the 2 1951 florins in the mail I will be sending some more pre decimals over.
This slabbing stuff is becoming addictive :angel:
QuoteThis slabbing stuff is becoming addictive :angel:
Especially if you get good results
QuoteEspecially if you get good results
Now that's the hard part :angel:
I sent my last lot of coins to PCGS using the CC Voucher .
Does it take longer because I used the voucher or should it take the same time to get processed.
They were listed under regular secure and they were received on 31/10/13 ?
No it won't take any longer. Might even be quicker because there are less coins. Unless of course they don't agree on the grade.
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='35466' dateline='1385428433'No it won't take any longer. Might even be quicker because there are less coins. Unless of course they don't agree on the grade.
Thanks PP, I'm just getting impatient to see what PCGS grades that MS63 NGC Ducat that's all :blush:
My farthings got cracked out of their CGS UK slabs and are on their way to see what PCGS says.
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='29549' dateline='1380414402'These are my birthday farthings from earlier this week. They're in CGS UK slabs which are just....well....different. These two will be sent to PCGS for a crossover and I have a third 1937 UNC 85 that I'll keep in their slab as an example. Stupid slabs won't fit in the blue slab boxes!!!!
1917 Farthing CGS UNC 88
They grade on a system of 1-100 which suggests this coin would grade MS65-6 by PCGS.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/great-britain-1917-farthing-CGS-unc-88-8874.jpg)
1929 Farthing CGS UNC85 (MS65 although I'd suggest MS64) No colour grades.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/great-britain-1929-farthing-CGS-unc-85-21833.jpg)
Finally received a coin I purchased from the US (USPS postmark shows the system took 15 weeks to deliver the coin :@). I'm thinking of getting it slabbed but am uncertain if PCGS slabs pierced coins (it has 2 piercings, not uncommon for 18th century hammered Ottoman gold).
So will they slab it? It is a rare coin, on the rarity scale it is an R10 and the discovery coin :yahoo:.
That 1929 farthing is absolutely stunning PP, do you think it will get a RD designation?
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='35469' dateline='1385429296'Finally received a coin I purchased from the US (USPS postmark shows the system took 15 weeks to deliver the coin :@). I'm thinking of getting it slabbed but am uncertain if PCGS slabs pierced coins (it has 2 piercings, not uncommon for 18th century hammered Ottoman gold).
So will they slab it? It is a rare coin, on the rarity scale it is an R10 and the discovery coin :yahoo:.
They'll slab it with a details grade if it is genuine. If it's that important it can be worth doing.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='35470' dateline='1385429326'That 1929 farthing is absolutely stunning PP, do you think it will get a RD designation?
Yes it'll get a red. And if it only gets an MS64 like PPH suggests I'll post a picture of myself on the forum wearing a wonderwoman costume or something equally ridiculous.
:shok:
Can't wait for that photo to appear on this forum.........
Quote from: 'markn' pid='35472' dateline='1385430230'Quote from: 'trout' pid='35470' dateline='1385429326'That 1929 farthing is absolutely stunning PP, do you think it will get a RD designation?
Yes it'll get a red. And if it only gets an MS64 like PPH suggests I'll post a picture of myself on the forum wearing a wonderwoman costume or something equally ridiculous.
I have a Wonderwoman T shirt that I can loan to you Mark
I am sure it's your size
it has a nice figure hugging cut & short girlie sleeves too
QuoteI have a Wonderwoman T shirt that I can loan to you Mark
I am sure it's your size
it has a nice figure hugging cut & short girlie sleeves too
I am pretty certain that Mark won't need it RG.
I recon all the "detractors" should send a pic of themselves in ridicules dress when this coin comes back MS65 RD or better :diablo:
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='35507' dateline='1385450550'I have a Wonderwoman T shirt that I can loan to you Mark
I am sure it's your size
it has a nice figure hugging cut & short girlie sleeves too
Sounds like what I'll need.
Mark,N
- You don't have to put on the RB light
- Those grading days ain't over
- You don't have to sell your body to the night
Mark,N
- You don't have to wear fancy dress tonight
- Grade the condition of the money
- You don't care if it's wrong or if it's right
(c) Stingk
:laughingneqw:
I sent off a few (13) Wedding set coins to PCGS last month and they have just arrived at the plastics factory.
Has anyone sent these type of coins in for grading before and what sort of results did you get ?
It will be interesting to see how they grade my coins as I went through a few sets to send in the best examples I had .
they are from sets, I would say they should get the highest grade for that type of coin, so I am guessing they were the specimen strikes, so that's mint state 66 right.
wait I seen they go to MS 69
We've found Wedding Set coins can achieve grades from MS67-69, we haven't got an MS70 yet although they are about. Anything under MS68 you probably don't want to send though. The aluminium bronze can tone and if there's even the slightest mark, tone or scuff we never send it.
We sent another submission last week with the postal service outstanding effort sent Monday delivered Thursday and order checked in today.
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='36063' dateline='1386038676'We've found Wedding Set coins can achieve grades from MS67-69, we haven't got an MS70 yet although they are about. Anything under MS68 you probably don't want to send though. The aluminium bronze can tone and if there's even the slightest mark, tone or scuff we never send it.
We sent another submission last week with the postal service outstanding effort sent Monday delivered Thursday and order checked in today.
I also sent one Monday and delivered today.
Should be checked in tomorrow :good:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='36066' dateline='1386041822'Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='36063' dateline='1386038676'We've found Wedding Set coins can achieve grades from MS67-69, we haven't got an MS70 yet although they are about. Anything under MS68 you probably don't want to send though. The aluminium bronze can tone and if there's even the slightest mark, tone or scuff we never send it.
We sent another submission last week with the postal service outstanding effort sent Monday delivered Thursday and order checked in today.
I also sent one Monday and delivered today.
Should be checked in tomorrow :good:
That's really fast ,I sent some coins over with Eric that left on 1st Nov and they've arrived in the last couple of days but have not yet been checked in
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='36068' dateline='1386042228'Quote from: 'trout' pid='36066' dateline='1386041822'Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='36063' dateline='1386038676'We've found Wedding Set coins can achieve grades from MS67-69, we haven't got an MS70 yet although they are about. Anything under MS68 you probably don't want to send though. The aluminium bronze can tone and if there's even the slightest mark, tone or scuff we never send it.
We sent another submission last week with the postal service outstanding effort sent Monday delivered Thursday and order checked in today.
That's really fast ,I sent some coins over with Eric that left on 1st Nov and they've arrived in the last couple of days but have not yet been checked in
Eric must have sent them via surface mail to take that long, OR customs gave them the "Once Over".
I have sent 3 lots away so far and 7-10 days is all it takes to get to the plastics factory, Which by the way is faster than getting items from Qld or TAS to WA :dash1:
I also sent one Monday and delivered today.
Should be checked in tomorrow :good:
QuoteWe've found Wedding Set coins can achieve grades from MS67-69, we haven't got an MS70 yet although they are about. Anything under MS68 you probably don't want to send though. The aluminium bronze can tone and if there's even the slightest mark, tone or scuff we never send it.
That being said I think the ONLY chance of getting a circulation coin from 2002-2009 in MS69 or better would HAVE to come from a wedding set.
All the mint sets I have seen would struggle to get MS67 .
If you have a look at the population report for all denominations from 2002 to 2009 you'll see there are some sleepers in the wedding sets.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='36094' dateline='1386059149'If you have a look at the population report for all denominations from 2002 to 2009 you'll see there are some sleepers in the wedding sets.
:agreed: :good:
as the first collector of PCGS coins in australia and the first to complete most sets , i am still waiting for engraved apologies for the vitriol i copped from everyone on the forums i was on
Quote from: 'PNC king' pid='36110' dateline='1386074085'as the first collector of PCGS coins in australia and the first to complete most sets , i am still waiting for engraved apologies for the vitriol i copped from everyone on the forums i was on
You just know that it won't happen Mate.
Time to build a bridge and "Get over it"
BTW :welcome: to this forum and I promise you I personally won't "Bag" you for having slobbed coins :ok:
Quote from: 'PNC king' pid='36110' dateline='1386074085'as the first collector of PCGS coins in australia and the first to complete most sets , i am still waiting for engraved apologies for the vitriol i copped from everyone on the forums i was on
I'm assuming that makes you the pcgs registry collector called timbertop then?
Quote from: 'dcoin' pid='36202' dateline='1386158206'Quote from: 'PNC king' pid='36110' dateline='1386074085'as the first collector of PCGS coins in australia and the first to complete most sets , i am still waiting for engraved apologies for the vitriol i copped from everyone on the forums i was on
I'm assuming that makes you the pcgs registry collector called timbertop then?
NO , I am a newly converted :ok:
I think that the question was directed at PNC King possum
I have a registry set
I think that I have about 5 coins on my set!! so I am about number 10 or is it number 14 on the highest rankings ha ha
Just checked
I am number 12
I should sit down and update it
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='36223' dateline='1386196030'I should sit down and update it
I try to leave the house when PPH does that. The user interface is confusing to say the least and PPH has little patience with it and her language gets a little blue.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='36224' dateline='1386197330'Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='36223' dateline='1386196030'I should sit down and update it
I try to leave the house when PPH does that. The user interface is confusing to say the least and PPH has little patience with it and her language gets a little blue.
HeHe When I have to do anything like that even my Dog goes outside :angel:
All I can say is you have to commit but I can never find the button!
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='36226' dateline='1386199269'All I can say is you have to commit but I can never find the button!
And I thought I was scared of commitment.
I bit the bullet and asked Eric to send my two most expensive coins over in a "rarities submission'.
Results:
1945Y Penny PR64 BN
1915H Shilling MS64
An improvement on the first time the penny was sent over when they returned a "no decision".
I had expected PR65 but not to worry. The grade is less an issue for such a rare coin. The PCGS slab should protect the coin from any mishandling in the future.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='36270' dateline='1386234384'I bit the bullet and asked Eric to send my two most expensive coins over in a "rarities submission'.
Results:
1945Y Penny PR64 BN
1915H Shilling MS64
An improvement on the first time the penny was sent over when they returned a "no decision".
I had expected PR65 but not to worry. The grade is less an issue for such a rare coin. The PCGS slab should protect the coin from any mishandling in the future.
Well done :good:
Stick to yer guns Mate :yahoo:
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='36270' dateline='1386234384'I bit the bullet and asked Eric to send my two most expensive coins over in a "rarities submission'.
Results:
1945Y Penny PR64 BN
1915H Shilling MS64
An improvement on the first time the penny was sent over when they returned a "no decision".
I had expected PR65 but not to worry. The grade is less an issue for such a rare coin. The PCGS slab should protect the coin from any mishandling in the future.
Very nice!
With the penny, did you have to send supporting documentation to help with the process ?
well done big bird!!
boy oh boy that proof would be worth a small fortune!!
the shilling - wouldn't have a clue but i'd reckon it would be nice
hum, pleased to see that a second call can be made on a coin as well
Big Bird, I love it. Great results. I shudder at what the fees ended up being???
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='36288' dateline='1386238628'Big Bird, I love it. Great results. I shudder at what the fees ended up being???
I think it wasn't about the fees, More a matter of principle and emu stuck to his guns .
AWSOME result Mate :yahoo:
We got "Wrong footed" when you first joined this site but that has all changed (for Me at least) :good:
You have to admire a Balls "N" All collector .
Once again Mate Bloody well done :good:
I was going to link to the certificate numbers but PCGS are currently showing only pictures of the obverse.
We did send supporting documentation for the penny. Scan of relevant parts of the auction catalogue (including front cover) and the auction invoice from Downies.
QuoteI was going to link to the certificate numbers but PCGS are currently showing only pictures of the obverse.
They have done the same thing to me with my "Bodybagged" Ducat, PCGS# 28515599 .
I paid the extra $5 and only got $2.50 worth of pic's :dash1:
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='36386' dateline='1386319056'We did send supporting documentation for the penny. Scan of relevant parts of the auction catalogue (including front cover) and the auction invoice from Downies.
That's actually a fair amount of information. I was thinking they may have had a correspondent in Australia for clarification on such coins to go to as well.
my coin dealer is often called upon to assess coins like the 1930 penny, 1923 halfpenny
but I don't think that he is a contact for PCGS
I would think that they'd have experts of similar calibre who are accredited assessors for the company , surely
Quote from: 'trout' pid='36387' dateline='1386319290'QuoteI was going to link to the certificate numbers but PCGS are currently showing only pictures of the obverse.
They have done the same thing to me with my "Bodybagged" Ducat, PCGS# 28515599 .
I paid the extra $5 and only got $2.50 worth of pic's :dash1:
Something's funny going on with the pics at the moment:
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28421027.html
I'm pretty sure they'll sort it out. Hopefully, they have copies of the other sides and don't have to rephotograph the coins!
That's a terrific grade for that issue.
Please show me that coin somethime.
Did PCGS body bag that ducat trout? I thought that was NGC certified without problems.
* Just read the other thread. What a shame.
Quote from: 'enworb' pid='36458' dateline='1386383383'Did PCGS body bag that ducat trout? I thought that was NGC certified without problems.
* Just read the other thread. What a shame.
Yes PCGS "Bodybagged" it.
Either NGC got it wrong or PCGS got it wrong, Quite disappointing considering that was one coin I was certain not to get bodybagged :dash1:
PCGS cert #28515599
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ngc.jpg)
Can someone please explain the term "body bagged". I understood MS63 was a high rating.....?
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='36468' dateline='1386392237'Can someone please explain the term "body bagged". I understood MS63 was a high rating.....?
Bodybagging means that the coin comes back with a "Details" grade.
Cleaned, dipped, damaged or simply a "Problem" coin.
I always thought that a 'body bagged' coin never even makes it into a holder regardless to details descriptions
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='36472' dateline='1386393233'I always thought that a 'body bagged' coin never even makes it into a holder regardless to details descriptions
As long as the coin is genuine it will get a grade (old school style) and be holdered.
After what happened to my Ducat I don't think I will ever buy a coin in a NGC slab again.
OK 3 bodybagged coins out of 2 submissions of a total of 16 coins, Pretty ratty results for me so far :dash1:
If any of my wedding set coins get the same treatment I will be VERY unhappy:angel:
Here is the list of coins I sent in for my 3rd submission
These are all wedding set coins
2002 50 cents year of the outback
2002 20 cents platypus
2004 $2
2004 10 cents
2005 $2
2005 $1 Remembrance
2005 50 cents Remembrance
2007 $1
2007 20 cents
2007 10 cents
2007 5 cents
2008 50 cents
2009 $2
2x Captain Cook specimen 50 cents
2005 50 cents Coat of arms
If any of these come back in a "Bodybag" I will be devastated .
Quote from: 'trout' pid='36585' dateline='1386483268'Here is the list of coins I sent in for my 3rd submission
These are all wedding set coins
2002 50 cents year of the outback
2002 20 cents platypus
2004 $2
2004 10 cents
2005 $2
2005 $1 Remembrance
2005 50 cents Remembrance
2007 $1
2007 20 cents
2007 10 cents
2007 5 cents
2008 50 cents
2009 $2
2x Captain Cook specimen 50 cents
2005 50 cents Coat of arms
If any of these come back in a "Bodybag" I will be devastated .
i enjoy grading the coins before i send them to pcgs ,and i usually get it right 9/10 times
Quote from: 'PNC king' pid='36601' dateline='1386498372'Quote from: 'trout' pid='36585' dateline='1386483268'Here is the list of coins I sent in for my 3rd submission
These are all wedding set coins
2002 50 cents year of the outback
2002 20 cents platypus
2004 $2
2004 10 cents
2005 $2
2005 $1 Remembrance
2005 50 cents Remembrance
2007 $1
2007 20 cents
2007 10 cents
2007 5 cents
2008 50 cents
2009 $2
2x Captain Cook specimen 50 cents
2005 50 cents Coat of arms
If any of these come back in a "Bodybag" I will be devastated .
i enjoy grading the coins before i send them to pcgs ,and i usually get it right 9/10 times
I don't see why such common modern decimals need slabbing :dodgy:
Quote from: 'runway' pid='36603' dateline='1386499682'Quote from: 'PNC king' pid='36601' dateline='1386498372'Quote from: 'trout' pid='36585' dateline='1386483268'Here is the list of coins I sent in for my 3rd submission
These are all wedding set coins
2002 50 cents year of the outback
2002 20 cents platypus
2004 $2
2004 10 cents
2005 $2
2005 $1 Remembrance
2005 50 cents Remembrance
2007 $1
2007 20 cents
2007 10 cents
2007 5 cents
2008 50 cents
2009 $2
2x Captain Cook specimen 50 cents
2005 50 cents Coat of arms
If any of these come back in a "Bodybag" I will be devastated .
i enjoy grading the coins before i send them to pcgs ,and i usually get it right 9/10 times
I don't see why such common modern decimals need slabbing :dodgy:
its all about the set registry and grade point average , hence the reason to slab and the beauty of PCGS , if you are on top of the set registry of a particular set then you have the number 1 set , no argument
Quote from: 'runway' pid='36603' dateline='1386499682'Quote from: 'PNC king' pid='36601' dateline='1386498372'Quote from: 'trout' pid='36585' dateline='1386483268'Here is the list of coins I sent in for my 3rd submission
These are all wedding set coins
2002 50 cents year of the outback
2002 20 cents platypus
2004 $2
2004 10 cents
2005 $2
2005 $1 Remembrance
2005 50 cents Remembrance
2007 $1
2007 20 cents
2007 10 cents
2007 5 cents
2008 50 cents
2009 $2
2x Captain Cook specimen 50 cents
2005 50 cents Coat of arms
If any of these come back in a "Bodybag" I will be devastated .
i enjoy grading the coins before i send them to pcgs ,and i usually get it right 9/10 times
I don't see why such common modern decimals need slabbing :dodgy:
In general decimals (and all coins for that matter) are much better protected from the elements (including PVC) and mishandling in a PCGS or NGS slab than outside. The wedding set coins are one of the few RAM products whose original packaging is good. It's just that they look better in PCGS slabs and if the rest of your collection is in PCGS slabs, these coins may as well be so too.
Quote from: 'runway' pid='36603' dateline='1386499682'I don't see why such common modern decimals need slabbing :dodgy:
Sorry, I can't see any common coins listed? :angel:
I have only ever sent a handful of coins over
all common
but several managed to get uncommon gradings
The pictures for the 1915H shilling and the proof 1945Y penny are now online:
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28934538.html
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28934539.html
Very nice oh gangly legged flightless one.
Please let emu666 be my Secret Santa :drooling:
Quote from: 'markn' pid='36701' dateline='1386644074'Very nice oh gangly legged flightless one.
LMAO.
Great pics and great coins oh feathered one. I wish you were my secret santa too.
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='36708' dateline='1386646034'Quote from: 'markn' pid='36701' dateline='1386644074'Very nice oh gangly legged flightless one.
LMAO.
Great pics and great coins oh feathered one. I wish you were my secret santa too.
The PCGS scan doesn't do the proof justice.
It is very purple.
I can see both sides of trout's coin now too.
yep I think I could find a bed or quickly make one for those babies, very nice :good:
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='36712' dateline='1386646528'The PCGS scan doesn't do the proof justice.
You should have sprung for a truview while they were there. You could have single-handedly been responsible for more slobbering on monitors than any other post in TACF history.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='36715' dateline='1386646866'Quote from: 'emu666' pid='36712' dateline='1386646528'The PCGS scan doesn't do the proof justice.
You should have sprung for a truview while they were there. You could have single-handedly been responsible for more slobbering on monitors than any other post in TACF history.
For some insane reason I has assumed that was included in the service. If I had known it wasn't, I would have forked out $10 extra for the truview.
you can send it to me so I can have a true view :winkextra:
Mark takes good pic's but don't know if you'd get it back once PP got her hot little hands on it :)
I would never have taken that penny for a proof
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='36717' dateline='1386647376'Quote from: 'markn' pid='36715' dateline='1386646866'Quote from: 'emu666' pid='36712' dateline='1386646528'The PCGS scan doesn't do the proof justice.
You should have sprung for a truview while they were there. You could have single-handedly been responsible for more slobbering on monitors than any other post in TACF history.
For some insane reason I has assumed that was included in the service. If I had known it wasn't, I would have forked out $10 extra for the truview.
For a $500+?? slabbing fee I would have assumed it was included too.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='36696' dateline='1386643154'The pictures for the 1915H shilling and the proof 1945Y penny are now online:
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28934538.html
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28934539.html
nice
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='36736' dateline='1386658627'I would never have taken that penny for a proof
Ask emu to show you the coin in the flesh and you'll change your mind. It's glorious.
I did Eric but he won't send it to me :winkextra:
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='36696' dateline='1386643154'The pictures for the 1915H shilling and the proof 1945Y penny are now online:
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28934538.html
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28934539.html
:dodgy: i am not jealous
why the hell not, I am..VERY :laugh2: I'd love just one, just one :( So who do I have to take out to get one, yep I'd do anything or anyone for one :winkextra:
Quote from: 'bellyflorin' pid='36778' dateline='1386707722'Quote from: 'emu666' pid='36696' dateline='1386643154'The pictures for the 1915H shilling and the proof 1945Y penny are now online:
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28934538.html
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28934539.html
:dodgy: i am not jealous
Good. I hope you feel the same way about the others...
Must remember to not tell AJ where I live.
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28964174.html
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28964175.html
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28964176.html
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28956896.html
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28956897.html
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28956898.html
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28956899.html
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28956900.html
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28956901.html
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28956902.html
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28956903.html
The 1925 florin is prooflike; may only be a MS62 but is a pretty MS62.
Fabulous Feathers!!!!
All well beyond my reach ...... spectacular ......
Love the mules!
Beyond my reach these days too.
Most of these coins (not the mules of course) were bought when i was working as a programmer during the IT boom of the late nineties.
Ah, they were the days.
A nice little nest egg ....... (if you'll pardon the 59 Florin pun!!!)
some one say my name :diablo:
Very nice Peter and thanks for sharing mate :good:
Super coin's yes thanks for sharing Peter ,
By chance if you are in need of some spare $$ or maybe even body parts for exchange for some of those magnificent florins , i am the go to guy .I have a my local bank branch all ready cased out , and i have a organ donor already lined up for yar . AJ when are you coming to visit me ? :angel: that reminds me i need to turn on my freezer
You have some real beauties there Peter.I really like the Mules and
it looks like you have the highest graded example with that MS64 example
congradulations
:laugh2: soon mate soon, I know ya only want me to work for me keep :winkextra: or is it really my hot bod ya after :blush2: Mate if you can get any thing worth having you can..this is about that actual size of my heart so here ya go cobba it's all yours :give_heart: :mocking:
I have never even looked at a photo of a 1915 H halfpenny of that grade before
and I reckon by aussie standards it's a full red
top coin there .... indeed
... oh and the rest are nice but they are funny silver and gold colours
Wow emu666, great coins the lot of them!
I should find a financial planner / accountant who could help make that 1915H Half a reality!
Who need superannuation anyhow?
I got my Gold babies back from PCGS, Now what do I do with the Ducat in the crappy "Details slab" :dash1:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/babies1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/babies.jpg)
Either leave it in there to protect it or crack it out and put it in a saflip. Id be inclined to crack it and keep it with your other proclamation coins.
Quote from: 'enworb' pid='37146' dateline='1387023043'Either leave it in there to protect it or crack it out and put it in a saflip. Id be inclined to crack it and keep it with your other proclamation coins.
:agreed:
That's what I did in the first place with the NGC slab anyway.
I only sent this in for grading to keep Mark and PPH happy anyway :angel:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='37149' dateline='1387023442'Quote from: 'enworb' pid='37146' dateline='1387023043'Either leave it in there to protect it or crack it out and put it in a saflip. Id be inclined to crack it and keep it with your other proclamation coins.
:agreed:
That's what I did in the first place with the NGC slab anyway.
I only sent this in for grading to keep Mark and PPH happy anyway :angel:
Keep it in the slab for protection until you decide to sell it
QuoteKeep it in the slab for protection until you decide to sell it
If I was thinking of selling I would submit it to NGC and get the MS rating back :angel:
yeah just put some glitter on it to make it preerrty for ya..bet the ganddaughter would just love 'em :winkextra: and to save you sending them off again in a few years to get re-re-re slabbed :laugh2: I'll just buy them now off ya and save you the trouble and you can buy more that aren't in a cocoon :D
Oh and bloody nice coins mate :good: yep, I also have very envious green eyes :laugh2:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='37145' dateline='1387022924'I got my Gold babies back from PCGS, Now what do I do with the Ducat in the crappy "Details slab" :dash1:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/babies1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/babies.jpg)
are they saying that the ducat is cleaned or is it salt water affected?
Quoteare they saying that the ducat is cleaned or is it salt water affected?
I have it on my desk at the moment and I am buggered if I can see where it has been cleaned.
NGC graded this coin MS63.
The definition from PCGS was "Altered Surfaces"
Here are a couple of pic's of the coin.
It has all its original lustre so I cannot imagine that it has been dipped and there are NO hairlines to indicate that it has been cleaned either.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ducat~1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ducat1~1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ducat2~1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ducat3.jpg)
might have been a shipwreck coin
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='37181' dateline='1387068401'might have been a shipwreck coin
This is the definition given on the PCGS site
Altered Surface
This No Grade covers anything added to the surface of the coin to either "improve" its appearance or to cover marks. Surface alteration methods include adding: dental wax, putty, lacquer, nose grease, etc. "Thumbing" is the application of a putty-like material to fill in marks, scratches, and other defects or to haze over portions of the coin. Coatings (such as lacquer), while intended to protect coins, result in a No Grade because it is impossible to determine the quality of the underlying surfaces.
Trout, the mention of all these coatings ....... water off a ducats back .... :laugh2:
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='37218' dateline='1387092767'Trout, the mention of all these coatings ....... water off a ducats back .... :laugh2:
HeHeHe
that nose grease sounds a bit gross.
It must have Greased a few palms in its hayday :)
trout did you checkout the other 1729 ducat that pcgs have graded http://www.pcgs.com/Pop/ValueView.aspx?s=174046
Quote from: 'bellyflorin' pid='37224' dateline='1387094457'trout did you checkout the other 1729 ducat that pcgs have graded http://www.pcgs.com/Pop/ValueView.aspx?s=174046
I just had a look , I think my coin is in better condition :angel:
What is your opinion , you have had this particular coin 'In Hand" ?
Trout i would only be guessing,
OK i do see a few spots, above the head of soldier and above the 17 in date , the spots might have been played with , and lustre does looks different to the other pcgs graded ducats .
Your coin looks to nice for a nilly 300 year old coin . My guess it had a juicing /polished , well it's been around for such a long time would have been hard for it to miss out been played with , still a very nice coin .
If i was you i would ask ngc to reslab it , you might havto make up a story tho lol.
It does shows ngc and pcgs are not on same page , I think i read the other day only 39% of crossovers of other TPG Slabs make it into pcgs holders.
In saying that i don't collect gold as such , i only have a few aussie sovereigns ,and i have never played with ducats .
I don't like du cats I'ms lika dogs
Quote from: 'bellyflorin' pid='37226' dateline='1387096879'Trout i would only be guessing,
OK i do see a few spots, above the head of soldier and above the 17 in date , the spots might have been played with , and lustre does looks different to the other pcgs graded ducats .
Your coin looks to nice for a nilly 300 year old coin . My guess it had a juicing /polished , well it's been around for such a long time would have been hard for it to miss out been played with , still a very nice coin .
If i was you i would ask ngc to reslab it , you might havto make up a story tho lol.
It does shows ngc and pcgs are not on same page , I think i read the other day only 39% of crossovers of other TPG Slabs make it into pcgs holders.
In saying that i don't collect gold as such , i only have a few aussie sovereigns ,and i have never played with ducats .
I have now got submission access to NGC so this little puppy will be going on yet another plane flight :angel:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='37362' dateline='1387264548'Quote from: 'bellyflorin' pid='37226' dateline='1387096879'Trout i would only be guessing,
OK i do see a few spots, above the head of soldier and above the 17 in date , the spots might have been played with , and lustre does looks different to the other pcgs graded ducats .
Your coin looks to nice for a nilly 300 year old coin . My guess it had a juicing /polished , well it's been around for such a long time would have been hard for it to miss out been played with , still a very nice coin .
If i was you i would ask ngc to reslab it , you might havto make up a story tho lol.
It does shows ngc and pcgs are not on same page , I think i read the other day only 39% of crossovers of other TPG Slabs make it into pcgs holders.
In saying that i don't collect gold as such , i only have a few aussie sovereigns ,and i have never played with ducats .
I have now got submission access to NGC so this little puppy will be going on yet another plane flight :angel:
Good luck with it Jim,it will be interesting to see what they do with it.Unless you are sending the old slab along for the trip as reference for them
I'm just going to send it in without the original grade cert.
I'll send it off with some other proc coins. :ok:
Waste of money slabbing common decimals the pre decimal coins worth it
Quote from: 'runway' pid='37472' dateline='1387370508'Waste of money slabbing common decimals the pre decimal coins worth it
Any decimal coin that grades MS68 and better is not a common coin :ok:
Quote from: 'runway' pid='37472' dateline='1387370508'Waste of money slabbing common decimals the pre decimal coins worth it
Actually that turns out not to be the case.
There are some issues with large mintages that are scarce even in MS65 and rare in higher grades.
Quote from: 'runway' pid='37472' dateline='1387370508'Waste of money slabbing common decimals the pre decimal coins worth it
Here's a common decimal that I picked up recently.Check the value and tell me that this one wasn't worth slabbing
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Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='37490' dateline='1387403937'Quote from: 'runway' pid='37472' dateline='1387370508'Waste of money slabbing common decimals the pre decimal coins worth it
Here's a common decimal that I picked up recently.Check the value and tell me that this one wasn't worth slabbing
What a cracker of a coin Steve.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='37496' dateline='1387412385'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='37490' dateline='1387403937'Quote from: 'runway' pid='37472' dateline='1387370508'Waste of money slabbing common decimals the pre decimal coins worth it
Here's a common decimal that I picked up recently.Check the value and tell me that this one wasn't worth slabbing
What a cracker of a coin Steve.
Thanks Emu yes its a beauty but it would be interesting to see
how it would crossover
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='37490' dateline='1387403937'Quote from: 'runway' pid='37472' dateline='1387370508'Waste of money slabbing common decimals the pre decimal coins worth it
Here's a common decimal that I picked up recently.Check the value and tell me that this one wasn't worth slabbing
$35 to slab a coin with a Blue Sheet value of $2900, Dunno Mate :laugh2:
The PCGS site is playing "Silly buggers" :dash1:
I tried to look how my latest submission is going and can't access that part of the site .
I'm having the same problem.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='37544' dateline='1387486287'The PCGS site is playing "Silly buggers" :dash1:
I tried to look how my latest submission is going and can't access that part of the site .
:dodgy: good on you mate, you've been sussin them so hard you've crashed their site :laugh2:
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='37546' dateline='1387486409'I'm having the same problem.
me too
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='37599' dateline='1387534948'Quote from: 'emu666' pid='37546' dateline='1387486409'I'm having the same problem.
me too
The costs involved you would think that they would at least maintain their website :angel:
Up and running now :good:
Still NO results for my submission yet tho :dash1:
OK, I have gone through some of my spare coins and have 29 to send in as a "modern" submission.
There are only 20 spaces on the submission form, Do I have to send in 2 different submissions or can I send them all on the one submission?
I know I ask a lot of dumb questions But this is all "Brand New" to me :angel:
You can send them all on one.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='37761' dateline='1387658962'You can send them all on one.
Thanks Mark
There are only 20 places on the submission form, do I use 2 forms?
Quote from: 'trout' pid='37764' dateline='1387659526'Quote from: 'markn' pid='37761' dateline='1387658962'You can send them all on one.
Thanks Mark
There are only 20 places on the submission form, do I use 2 forms?
Just print the page where you list the coins off twice and on the second sheet change the numbers for each coin from 1 -> 21 2->22 and so on.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='37765' dateline='1387659739'Quote from: 'trout' pid='37764' dateline='1387659526'Quote from: 'markn' pid='37761' dateline='1387658962'You can send them all on one.
Thanks Mark
There are only 20 places on the submission form, do I use 2 forms?
Just print the page where you list the coins off twice and on the second sheet change the numbers for each coin from 1 -> 21 2->22 and so on.
Thanks Mate, I would never have thought of that.
That was definitely a "Phone a Friend" question for me.
That way the submission # stays the same :dance2:
You can do an online submission of up to 50 coins. Don't try and do more or after hours of work and you get the the end and the whole thing will bork and pph will get very shirty. Very handy for under 50 coins. They should really tell you that before you start.
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='37769' dateline='1387661749'You can do an online submission of up to 50 coins. Don't try and do more or after hours of work and you get the the end and the whole thing will bork and pph will get very shirty. Very handy for under 50 coins. They should really tell you that before you start.
HeHe
I just printed out the two sheets with the same submission # on them and will fill them in with my trusty "Old School" Biro, at least if that runs out of ink I just get another one without doing a "Re-Boot" and starting all over again :)
All good to go, I just have to pack and post them now
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/bulk_lot.jpg)
Seems like a fair bit of expense but in reality it works out to being only $20.16 per coin :ok:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/bulk_lot1.jpg)
Quote from: 'trout' pid='37776' dateline='1387665741'All good to go, I just have to pack and post them now
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/bulk_lot.jpg)
Seems like a fair bit of expense but in reality it works out to being only $20.16 per coin :ok:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/bulk_lot1.jpg)
Far cheaper than sending them through an agent
QuoteFar cheaper than sending them through an agent
the postage is the real killer, the more coins you send in at a time works out better.
If I only sent in 10 coins it would have cost me $26.25 per coin.
I saved about $4 a coin or $128 all up by sending in a large amount :good:
I don't work out any of the costs, I just let them do that.
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='37788' dateline='1387670264'I don't work out any of the costs, I just let them do that.
This just gets easier all the time, Thanks for the "Heads Up" PP :yahoo:
I screwed up the costs anyway, I put in the Canadian postage instead of the world postage.
I changed it but it looks a bit messy, I will leave it blank next time :good:
Well I figure there's always a chance of a return no grade no fee and they could change the costs at any time so I just leave it blank.
One question though Trout, the forum is not valid after Dec 31st? Or have they sent you updated one's? Unless you intend them to have it by that date.
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='37795' dateline='1387672083'Well I figure there's always a chance of a return no grade no fee and they could change the costs at any time so I just leave it blank.
One question though Trout, the forum is not valid after Dec 31st? Or have they sent you updated one's? Unless you intend them to have it by that date.
AW Crap :dash1:
There is NO way this submission will get to the states by 31/12 even if I post it tomorrow.
Looks like I will have to wait until the new year and get some new forms .
Bugga :dodgy:
I'm not sure if there is overlap to allow for coins in transit. Maybe someone else will know.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='37776' dateline='1387665741'All good to go, I just have to pack and post them now
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/bulk_lot.jpg)
Seems like a fair bit of expense but in reality it works out to being only $20.16 per coin :ok:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/bulk_lot1.jpg)
Hi Trout, are you sure that shipping rate is right. 32 coins to Australia is $75.45, not $61.10 (unless you've recently moved to Canada!)
QuoteHi Trout, are you sure that shipping rate is right. 32 coins to Australia is $75.45, not $61.10 (unless you've recently moved to Canada!)
Yes I noticed that and changed it, it is a moot point now because I have to do the entire thing again when I get some updated submission forms :angel:
I know emu sent a submission on Friday or maybe Eric will have some input to save you doing over mate.
As the coins are post 1965 you don't need to send them Secure Plus. This will cost $16 per coin rather than $20 per coin.
Don't worry about updated submission forms. The grading costs will not be changing as PCGS always gives plenty of notice on the rare occasion they do this. The postage costs will probably increase as I have been assured that USPS are at least as greedy as Australia Post.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='37809' dateline='1387679114'As the coins are post 1965 you don't need to send them Secure Plus. This will coat $16 per coin rather than $20 per coin.
awesome thanks Mate , I'm glad I hadn't sent them yet :)
What would happen if my submission got there after 31/12 using this form?
Hi trout, The old forms theoretically expire on New Year's Eve, but you can still use them next year. If they've changed the fee structure for the new forms, they will charge your card appropriately. You don't have to redo the form.
Of course, I will shamelessly say that the easiest way to get coins graded is to send them to an authorised dealer like me! It's only $25 for moderns, $30 for cheap Commonwealth, and $60 for gold coins and expensive Commonwealth coins. :)
Eric
Quote from: 'drakesterling' pid='37812' dateline='1387680067'Hi trout, The old forms theoretically expire on New Year's Eve, but you can still use them next year. If they've changed the fee structure for the new forms, they will charge your card appropriately. You don't have to redo the form.
Of course, I will shamelessly say that the easiest way to get coins graded is to send them to an authorised dealer like me! It's only $25 for moderns, $30 for cheap Commonwealth, and $60 for gold coins and expensive Commonwealth coins. :)
Eric
Thanks Eric,
These will be in the mail tomorrow and maybe they just might make it before the deadline anyway.
I have a membership with NGC but I may take advantage of your $60 per gold coin to get that bothersome PCGS bodybagged coin back into a NGC slab with a grade.
They graded it MS63 before so it theoretically should be graded the same :)
Can you send me your mailing address so that I can send it to you for submission?
Hi trout, I've sent you a pm.
Quote from: 'drakesterling' pid='37882' dateline='1387753752'Hi trout, I've sent you a pm.
Thanks Eric :)
For those who have submitted recently, how have the turn around times been? Are the times on the website high or low estimates ?
I have a few coins in with Eric, both Modern and Pre-Decimal that are hopefully due to be graded any day now.
Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='37902' dateline='1387773369'For those who have submitted recently, how have the turn around times been? Are the times on the website high or low estimates ?
I have a few coins in with Eric, both Modern and Pre-Decimal that are hopefully due to be graded any day now.
Yes I sent some modern and a couple of predecimals at the end of October with Eric and he thinks they will be done just after Christmas but that remains to be seen
The 16 moderns that I sent in arrived at PCGS on 3/12/13 should be good to go by the end of the week I suspect :ok:
We've got about 1800 of them over there or on the way. Most of them are in bulk submissions.
Given PCGS grades about 2 million coins per year, I doubt this will have much effect on the speed of other submissions.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='37908' dateline='1387776577'We've got about 1800 of them over there or on the way. Most of them are in bulk submissions.
Given PCGS grades about 2 million coins per year, I doubt this will have much effect on the speed of other submissions.
Jeepers Mate I thought that the 32 coins I sent today was a big order :angel:
Crikey 1800 slabs at once , You will have to hire a fork lift to pick all them blue boxes up from the post office :)
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='37908' dateline='1387776577'We've got about 1800 of them over there or on the way. Most of them are in bulk submissions.
Given PCGS grades about 2 million coins per year, I doubt this will have much effect on the speed of other submissions.
:shock:
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='37908' dateline='1387776577'We've got about 1800 of them over there or on the way. Most of them are in bulk submissions.
Given PCGS grades about 2 million coins per year, I doubt this will have much effect on the speed of other submissions.
:shok: Peter Any florins or predecimal proofs in that submission :ok: wink wink
I sent off 20 coins a mix of modern and oldies , PCGS received on the 6/12
Estimated Turnaround Times
Standard & Secure World
Express 9 days
Regular 21days
Economy 28 days
Modern 18 days
Our modern just took 17 calendar days, numbers in late last week.
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='37913' dateline='1387778821'Our modern just took 17 calendar days, numbers in late last week.
Wow that's fast. I'm still waiting on a modern submission from October.
Quote from: 'drakesterling' pid='37915' dateline='1387780678'Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='37913' dateline='1387778821'Our modern just took 17 calendar days, numbers in late last week.
Wow that's fast. I'm still waiting on a modern submission from October.
I reckon it's my crown holding it up if it went in that submission!
Sorry :cray:
Yep, that's it, a dodgy crown. Our submission was small with no iffy or slider coins, that must be why. Sets and duplicates helped too.
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='37934' dateline='1387786878'Yep, that's it, a dodgy crown. Our submission was small with no iffy or slider coins, that must be why. Sets and duplicates helped too.
It was just the 2013 Silver Proof one released to commemorate Prince George's birth..
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='37934' dateline='1387786878'Yep, that's it, a dodgy crown. Our submission was small with no iffy or slider coins, that must be why. Sets and duplicates helped too.
Mine have been in there since 3/12 .
15 of them are wedding set coins and have probably given the grader a "welding flash" :diablo::laugh2:
Got my pcgs results for my oldies coins sub yesterday, tho there isn't anything to brag about :-/, they received my coins on the 6/12 strange no email sent by pcgs ,i just happen to look at my submission yesterday 27th.
Just waiting on my modern sub now , i hope they are kinder to me
:beg:
here's one of my coins from my oldies submission :dodgy: http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28912662.html
They received my Moderns submission 3/12 and now the turnaround is up to 26 days :(
:idea: i used my voucher for my oldies sub maybe they give them priority.
Apologies if this has been covered before, but what is the cost of sending decimal coins to PCGS. I know it costs like $15 a coin or around that, however, I have heard there are also other fees like postage/customs/insurance to factor in.
Quote from: 'dcoin' pid='38297' dateline='1388191316'Apologies if this has been covered before, but what is the cost of sending decimal coins to PCGS. I know it costs like $15 a coin or around that, however, I have heard there are also other fees like postage/customs/insurance to factor in.
Hi dcoin,
check out
http://www.drakesterling.com/coins-for-sale/news-wire/news-wire/pcgs-grading-costs-and-services
I send most of my coins to Eric as it's definitely the most cost effective option for me as I don't have heaps of coins to grade.
-rob
I have just filled out the paperwork to send 8 coins into NGC.
It was far easier than to fill out a PCGS form :good:
Now to see how long it takes to get the coins back from this Mob :ok:
QuoteI send most of my coins to Eric as it's definitely the most cost effective option for me as I don't have heaps of coins to grade.
I sent a gold coin to Eric to get graded for me at NGC.
As I don't have another 4 gold coins I need grading at the moment (there is a minimum of 5 coins in the gold submissions) it works out great for Me.
It didn't cost a fortune and Eric is a "Good Egg" so all is good :yahoo:
I just worked out how many coins I have sent away to the plastics factory this year, 73 coins ( That's including the one Mark sent for Me).
Not too shabby for a bloke that "Bagged" slabbed coins :angel:
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='37903' dateline='1387773720'Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='37902' dateline='1387773369'For those who have submitted recently, how have the turn around times been? Are the times on the website high or low estimates ?
I have a few coins in with Eric, both Modern and Pre-Decimal that are hopefully due to be graded any day now.
Yes I sent some modern and a couple of predecimals at the end of October with Eric and he thinks they will be done just after Christmas but that remains to be seen
I also have some stuff with this lot.
Must be getting on to 40 working days.
PCGS says 24 and 27 for regular & economy.
Maybe this lot is in their "too hard basket" ?
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='38346' dateline='1388301811'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='37903' dateline='1387773720'Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='37902' dateline='1387773369'For those who have submitted recently, how have the turn around times been? Are the times on the website high or low estimates ?
I have a few coins in with Eric, both Modern and Pre-Decimal that are hopefully due to be graded any day now.
Yes I sent some modern and a couple of predecimals at the end of October with Eric and he thinks they will be done just after Christmas but that remains to be seen
They only arrived at PCGS on 4th December but I did notice a 1915H Florin in MS63 added to the population report in the last couple of days so I am hoping that it's mine
I think the turn around times have blown out due to the festive season and will continue until after the new year.
All to be expected , These people have a life too and should be able to enjoy this time of year with their families just like the rest of us :ok:
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='38346' dateline='1388301811'I also have some stuff with this lot.
Must be getting on to 40 working days.
PCGS says 24 and 27 for regular & economy.
Maybe this lot is in their "too hard basket" ?
I've got my money on this week. The decimal submission Eric had sent over with my crown in it was graded a few days back, so I dare say the pre-decimals in there will be coming very soon :good:
QuoteI've got my money on this week. The decimal submission Eric had sent over with my crown in it was graded a few days back, so I dare say the pre-decimals in there will be coming very soon Good
I hope you are right, I have had 16 moderns sitting there since 3/12 and I am itching to see if I "got it right" this time :angel:
I am not that bothered if they take another month to get back to Aus But I would rather like to know the grades :ok:
Some new grades just came through on the database tonight.
Looks like the regular submissions from Eric's lot...
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='38372' dateline='1388316258'Some new grades just came through on the database tonight.
Looks like the regular submissions from Eric's lot...
What is the submission number ?
Quote from: 'trout' pid='38373' dateline='1388316409'Quote from: 'echidna' pid='38372' dateline='1388316258'Some new grades just came through on the database tonight.
Looks like the regular submissions from Eric's lot...
What is the submission number ?
Don't know the submission number.
I'm only looking at the numbers graded.
Tallies with what was in my regular submissions...
Can anyone look up these coins/results/postings that you are talking about or does one have to have a password etc to look.
Please advise.
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='38407' dateline='1388360713'Can anyone look up these coins/results/postings that you are talking about or does one have to have a password etc to look.
Please advise.
There is a "Shared submissions " page that anyone can view
https://www.pcgs.com/Membership/Shared.aspx
Thanks for that Trout but can one define the search to only Australian coins?
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='38415' dateline='1388361950'Thanks for that Trout but can one define the search to only Australian coins?
Not that I know of :dash1:
Walter, can you PM the submission number of the coins that I sent you for PCGS please.
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='38482' dateline='1388448597'Walter, can you PM the submission number of the coins that I sent you for PCGS please.
How do you look up if you have the submission number?
The submissions will only be searchable if they're shared, and have been graded.
There is a search at the bottom of the page Trout posted.
https://www.pcgs.com/Membership/Shared.aspx
Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='38494' dateline='1388454829'The submissions will only be searchable if they're shared, and have been graded.
There is a search at the bottom of the page Trout posted.
https://www.pcgs.com/Membership/Shared.aspx
I only have the submission number and not the order number
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='38497' dateline='1388455614'Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='38494' dateline='1388454829'The submissions will only be searchable if they're shared, and have been graded.
There is a search at the bottom of the page Trout posted.
https://www.pcgs.com/Membership/Shared.aspx
I only have the submission number and not the order number
That is all you need :ok:
Isn't it annoying when you look at the shared submissions page and notice that there is a submission that was received 26/12 and shipped 30/12 when your submission has been received 23 day prior and still NO results. :dash1:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='38564' dateline='1388528785'Isn't it annoying when you look at the shared submissions page and notice that there is a submission that was received 26/12 and shipped 30/12 when your submission has been received 23 day prior and still NO results. :dash1:
Not particularly. 4 days would have been a rarities submission or could even have been a reholdering.
Some Aussie coins here Goldie :ok:
https://www.pcgs.com/Membership/sharedorder.aspx?OrderNo=20764642
Quote from: 'trout' pid='38597' dateline='1388560298'Some Aussie coins here Goldie :ok:
https://www.pcgs.com/Membership/sharedorder.aspx?OrderNo=20764642
Why would you get those coins graded?
Thanks for the heads up but I am trying to find the coins that were sent via Walter as I have nine coins in the package.
How did you find the Aussie Coins?
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='38612' dateline='1388563327'Thanks for the heads up but I am trying to find the coins that were sent via Walter as I have nine coins in the package.
How did you find the Aussie Coins?
I normally look for a delayed submission and it is normally NON US coins :ok:
PM me what your coins are and I will send back a PM if I find them.
I normally check every day:)
It all depends on it Walter has made the subscription "Shared", If not then only Walter can view the results.
You have forgotten the 10 main steps involved in submitting coins to PCGS.
1. Select the coins
2. Fill in the PCGS submission form(s).
3. Post the package.
4. Wait patiently.
5. Wait patiently.
6. Wait patiently.
7. Wait patiently.
8. Wait patiently.
9. Find out the grades you got (only the submitter can see these grades before the submission is made public. It will only be made public only if the submitter choses to do so).
10. Receive your coins int the mail.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='38624' dateline='1388567664'You have forgotten the 10 main steps involved in submitting coins to PCGS.
1. Select the coins
2. Fill in the PCGS submission form(s).
3. Post the package.
4. Wait patiently.
5. Wait patiently.
6. Wait patiently.
7. Wait patiently.
8. Wait patiently.
9. Find out the grades you got (only the submitter can see these grades before the submission is made public. It will only be made public only if the submitter choses to do so).
10. Receive your coins int the mail.
Steps 4-9 are the hardest :angel:
You forgot the
4a. packaged refused damaged
4b. oh sh**, wait
4c. package returned
4d. finger biting wait
4e. Yay package
4f. repackage
4g. let's try again lodgement
Once they receive it I am usually happy.
Trout your modern order should be done by now, mine was one day earlier and arrived back delivered on Xmas eve.
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='38630' dateline='1388569312'You forgot the
4a. packaged refused damaged
4b. oh sh**, wait
4c. package returned
4d. finger biting wait
4e. Yay package
4f. repackage
4g. let's try again lodgement
Once they receive it I am usually happy.
Trout your modern order should be done by now, mine was one day earlier and arrived back delivered on Xmas eve.
Not done yet Mate :dash1:
My last submission was delayed probably because of the Ducat being verified as genuine But I cant see a problem with a bunch of wedding set coins, a couple of specimen Captain Cooks and a 2005 50cents COA.
Maybe its because I sent the submission "Secure" and they need to have photo's taken But the photo's for my Gold submission didn't show up for quite A while on the pcgs site:dodgy:
I am sending 8 coins off to NGC to see if they are more efficient :ok:
got my modern submission back today :angel:
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Very nice Belly!
That mob at PCGS must hate me :dash1:
My modern submission was received by them 3 days prior to yours Belly and STILL nothing :cray:
thanks Mark , it's so hard to find a nice 66 50cent proof tho, owell one day i will .
Quote from: 'trout' pid='38803' dateline='1388710674'That mob at PCGS must hate me :dash1:
My modern submission was received by them 3 days prior to yours Belly and STILL nothing :cray:
poor trout ...hehe they must be reading your old posts in the forums lol
Quote from: 'bellyflorin' pid='38804' dateline='1388710802'thanks Mark , it's so hard to find a nice 66 50cent proof tho, owell one day i will .
Quote from: 'trout' pid='38803' dateline='1388710674'That mob at PCGS must hate me :dash1:
My modern submission was received by them 3 days prior to yours Belly and STILL nothing :cray:
poor trout ...hehe they must be reading your old posts in the forums lol
You may be right Belly, the sods took forever to grade my gold coins then boddybagged my best one Bastids :to_pick_ones_nose_eat:
Nice results there old Mate :yahoo:
hey trout , :idea: check your junkmail for any emails from pcgs , for some reason that's where mine end up, tho i usually just check my account and click on submission number .
Quote from: 'bellyflorin' pid='38806' dateline='1388711428'hey trout , :idea: check your junkmail for any emails from pcgs , for some reason that's where mine end up, tho i usually just check my account and click on submission number .
Nuffin in my junk mail ( I have Eudora on this laptop)
My 32 coin submission will get to PCGS in he next couple of days, so I won't be holding my breath waiting for those to get sorted.
Bugger em my next submission will be to NGC :)
They must have got put in a different queue because of the secure plus.
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='38814' dateline='1388714616'They must have got put in a different queue because of the secure plus.
Thank god I didn't do the secure plus on the next submission then :)
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28908010.html
one if the coins I got back from my first submission
Congrats. :good:
Very nice. Well done Jasee
Quote from: 'Jaseee' pid='38828' dateline='1388730393'http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28908010.html
one if the coins I got back from my first submission
nice one :ok:
Quote from: 'Jaseee' pid='38828' dateline='1388730393'http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28908010.html
one if the coins I got back from my first submission
Beut coin Mate, I don't think I have penny anywhere near as nice as that one .
Well done Mate :yahoo:
Yet another dumb question :ok:
If I renew my gold subscription next year do I still get another 4 free submissions?
Quote from: 'trout' pid='38836' dateline='1388735621'Quote from: 'Jaseee' pid='38828' dateline='1388730393'http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28908010.html
one if the coins I got back from my first submission
Beut coin Mate, I don't think I have penny anywhere near as nice as that one .
Well done Mate :yahoo:
Yet another dumb question :ok:
If I renew my gold subscription next year do I still get another 4 free submissions?
Certainly.
Thanks Peter, looks like I will be sending in some gold again next year :)
Quote from: 'Jaseee' pid='38828' dateline='1388730393'http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28908010.html
one if the coins I got back from my first submission
Great coin, a real looker....
Thanks everyone. I got one back body bagged cleaned. Ill use it for a reference coin to learn from
Quote from: 'Nightparrot' pid='38849' dateline='1388737331'Quote from: 'Jaseee' pid='38828' dateline='1388730393'http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28908010.html
one if the coins I got back from my first submission
Great coin, a real looker....
Lovely coin Nighparrot.I have also been following the story of the Nightparrot .Just amazing how it has been rediscovered
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='38860' dateline='1388742192'Quote from: 'Nightparrot' pid='38849' dateline='1388737331'Quote from: 'Jaseee' pid='38828' dateline='1388730393'http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28908010.html
one if the coins I got back from my first submission
Great coin, a real looker....
Lovely coin Nighparrot.I have also been following the story of the Nightparrot .Just amazing how it has been rediscovered
Yes, sure is.....I hope they can find some stable populations somewhere and take out the cats and foxes.
Quote from: 'Nightparrot' pid='38861' dateline='1388742510'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='38860' dateline='1388742192'Quote from: 'Nightparrot' pid='38849' dateline='1388737331'Quote from: 'Jaseee' pid='38828' dateline='1388730393'http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28908010.html
one if the coins I got back from my first submission
Great coin, a real looker....
Lovely coin Nighparrot.I have also been following the story of the Nightparrot .Just amazing how it has been rediscovered
Yes, sure is.....I hope they can find some stable populations somewhere and take out the cats and foxes.
I believe they've found a small isolated colony so yes I hope they can protect it as that would be amazing to bring it back from the brink
hi birdie!!
Quote from: 'trout' pid='38564' dateline='1388528785'Isn't it annoying when you look at the shared submissions page and notice that there is a submission that was received 26/12 and shipped 30/12 when your submission has been received 23 day prior and still NO results. :dash1:
Yep - a modern submission I sent in early December has beaten another regular submission I sent in early November!
Happy New Year to you Eric :)
Results are in, NO body bags this time :yahoo:
https://www.pcgs.com/Membership/order.html?SubmissionNo=4923708&Year=2013
Quote from: 'trout' pid='38877' dateline='1388779499'Results are in, NO body bags this time :yahoo:
https://www.pcgs.com/Membership/order.html?SubmissionNo=4923708&Year=2013
That link doesn't work for me.
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='38879' dateline='1388781601'Quote from: 'trout' pid='38877' dateline='1388779499'Results are in, NO body bags this time :yahoo:
https://www.pcgs.com/Membership/order.html?SubmissionNo=4923708&Year=2013
That link doesn't work for me.
It probably isn't on the shared orders page yet.
I will send you a excel document with the results :ok:
I had to send it to your webpage email address as I couldn't do a cut and past of the results here for some reason and there was no provision I PM or email here to send files :)
I submitted 16 coins the worst was MS66 and the best was MS69.
2 x MS66
4 x MS67
3 x MS68
7 x MS 69
NO MS70 :dash1: But NO Boddybagged coins either :yahoo:
Pretty happy with this lot after waiting sooo long (Impatiently):angel:
Got it sussed now :good:
1 28935907 165418 2002 50C Windmill Australia MS67
2 1 28935908 391571 2002 20C Australia MS68
3 1 28935909 391587 2004 $2 Australia MS67
4 1 28935910 391584 2004 10C Australia MS69
5 1 28935911 394592 2005 $2 Australia MS68
6 1 28935912 174217 2005 $1 60th Ann WWII End Australia MS69
7 1 28935913 174216 2005 50C Remembrance Australia MS69
8 1 28935914 590126 2007 5C Australia MS69
9 1 28935915 509984 2007 $1 Australia MS67
10 1 28935916 590139 2007 20C Australia MS69
11 1 28935917 590132 2007 10C Australia MS69
12 1 28935918 590146 2008 50C Australia MS69
13 1 28935919 590183 2009 $2 Australia MS66
14 1 28935920 114309 1970 50C Cook Australia MS67
15 1 28935921 114309 1970 50C Cook Australia MS68
16 1 28935922 404401 2005 50C Australia MS66
Quote from: 'trout' pid='38880' dateline='1388782144'Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='38879' dateline='1388781601'Quote from: 'trout' pid='38877' dateline='1388779499'Results are in, NO body bags this time :yahoo:
https://www.pcgs.com/Membership/order.html?SubmissionNo=4923708&Year=2013
That link doesn't work for me.
It probably isn't on the shared orders page yet.
I will send you a excel document with the results :ok:
I had to send it to your webpage email address as I couldn't do a cut and past of the results here for some reason and there was no provision I PM or email here to send files :)
I submitted 16 coins the worst was MS66 and the best was MS69.
2 x MS66
4 x MS67
3 x MS68
7 x MS 69
NO MS70 :dash1: But NO Boddybagged coins either :yahoo:
Pretty happy with this lot after waiting sooo long (Impatiently):angel:
Got it sussed now :good:
1 28935907 165418 2002 50C Windmill Australia MS67
2 1 28935908 391571 2002 20C Australia MS68
3 1 28935909 391587 2004 $2 Australia MS67
4 1 28935910 391584 2004 10C Australia MS69
5 1 28935911 394592 2005 $2 Australia MS68
6 1 28935912 174217 2005 $1 60th Ann WWII End Australia MS69
7 1 28935913 174216 2005 50C Remembrance Australia MS69
8 1 28935914 590126 2007 5C Australia MS69
9 1 28935915 509984 2007 $1 Australia MS67
10 1 28935916 590139 2007 20C Australia MS69
11 1 28935917 590132 2007 10C Australia MS69
12 1 28935918 590146 2008 50C Australia MS69
13 1 28935919 590183 2009 $2 Australia MS66
14 1 28935920 114309 1970 50C Cook Australia MS67
15 1 28935921 114309 1970 50C Cook Australia MS68
16 1 28935922 404401 2005 50C Australia MS66
Great result Jim
Well done Mr Trout , arr great minds think alike you sending the 2005 coat of arms 50 cent , only 10 have been graded so far . my 2 got ms66 too :wavemulticolor:
Quote from: 'bellyflorin' pid='38883' dateline='1388786110'Well done Mr Trout , arr great minds think alike you sending the 2005 coat of arms 50 cent , only 10 have been graded so far . my 2 got ms66 too :wavemulticolor:
Pretty hard to find better than a 66 after being packaged the way they were :dash1:
There are 5 better on the PCGS population report highest graded is MS68
QuoteGreat result Jim
Thanks mate I am pretty stoked with the results after my first two attempts :yahoo:
Quote from: 'drakesterling' pid='38871' dateline='1388759373'Quote from: 'trout' pid='38564' dateline='1388528785'Isn't it annoying when you look at the shared submissions page and notice that there is a submission that was received 26/12 and shipped 30/12 when your submission has been received 23 day prior and still NO results. :dash1:
Yep - a modern submission I sent in early December has beaten another regular submission I sent in early November!
Does that one have one of mine in it? :beg:
Or was that the submission with my Crown in it ?
Very good trout.
Those results are above average for wedding set coins.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='38893' dateline='1388790087'Very good trout.
Those results are above average for wedding set coins.
Thanks Mate, I took a lot more care selecting these.
Even the Captain Cooks did ok :)
Great results this time Trout well done mate! :yahoo:
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='38899' dateline='1388791621'Great results this time Trout well done mate! :yahoo:
Probably more luck than good management Mate :angel:
Now the waiting will begin all over again for my next submission that should be there today or on Monday :-/:scared::dontknow:
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='38893' dateline='1388790087'Very good trout.
Those results are above average for wedding set coins.
Generally speaking do mint set or wedding set coins grade better?
Quote from: 'dcoin' pid='38904' dateline='1388798831'Quote from: 'emu666' pid='38893' dateline='1388790087'Very good trout.
Those results are above average for wedding set coins.
Generally speaking do mint set or wedding set coins grade better?
The mint sets can hold some great coins but you have to hunt through hem to find the best ones :dash1:
The wedding sets normally hold super nice coins because they are treated differently at the mint and a lot more care is taken with them.
Not all wedding set coins are "Mickey Mouse" either and you have to seek the better ones as well :ok:
As a rule of thumb tho the wedding set coins are far better than the mint set coins :ok:
don't think you can see them yet
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28935922/
Quote from: 'Australian coin' pid='38910' dateline='1388800186'don't think you can see them yet
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28935922/
Last time it took a while to get the pics done :dodgy:
Usually modern coin submissions don't get pictures unless you've chosen the secure plus option.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='38917' dateline='1388806748'Usually modern coin submissions don't get pictures unless you've chosen the secure plus option.
That I did and is probably why they took so long to get graded.
My next submission isn't secure plus and is a lot less expensive as well :good:
You cant be unhappy with those ms69s. Well done trout!
Yep good job Trout!!
Quote from: 'enworb' pid='38919' dateline='1388807499'You cant be unhappy with those ms69s. Well done trout!
Yes quite chuffed really, The pic's are up already and I had a look at the population reports .
7 of my coins are at the highest graded yet and 2 of them have 1 coin graded higher. :dance2:
All I need now is for our lotto syndicate to win and my start to the new year will be complete :yahoo:
are the 2008 coin a wedding set
Quote from: 'Australian coin' pid='38927' dateline='1388815991'are the 2008 coin a wedding set
Yes , even PCGS has trouble taking pic's of these.
The picture taker had a blue green jumper on by the look of the pic's of the coins. You can see the color reflection in the highlights of the coins :dodgy:
I recon Mark could do a far better job for $5 a coin any day :angel:
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='38920' dateline='1388809427'Yep good job Trout!!
Thanks PP.
Without your , Marks , emu's and many other members help here I imagine that this submission would have been a disaster like the other two.
Kudos goes to you's blokes I recon , NOT me :good:
It is always a relief when you see this on you tracking search :good:
January 6, 2014 , 9:15 am
Delivered .
NEWPORT BEACH, CA 92658
January 6, 2014 , 8:12 am
Sorting Complete .
NEWPORT BEACH, CA 92658
January 6, 2014 , 1:58 am
Arrival at Unit .
NEWPORT BEACH, CA 92658
January 1, 2014 , 9:45 am
Processed Through Sort Facility .
ISC LOS ANGELES CA (USPS)
Origin Post is Preparing Shipment .
Got my first grading results today and it was definately worth the
wait.Now to work out what to send next
2000 $1 Mule-Struck w/10C Obv Die
Australia
MS62
2000 $1 Mule-Struck w/10C Obv Die
Australia
MS62
1915-H Florin
Australia
MS63
1925(m) 1D
Australia
AU50BN
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='39042' dateline='1389044651'Got my first grading results today and it was definately worth the
wait.Now to work out what to send next
2000 $1 Mule-Struck w/10C Obv Die
Australia
MS62
2000 $1 Mule-Struck w/10C Obv Die
Australia
MS62
1915-H Florin
Australia
MS63
1925(m) 1D
Australia
AU50BN
AWSOME results there Mate, Especially on the mules :good:
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AWSOME results there Mate, Especially on the mules :good:
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Thanks Jim I've got a few more mules to send that should also
do very well hopefully but might concentrate on my pre-decs first
QuoteThanks Jim I've got a few more mules to send that should also
do very well hopefully but might concentrate on my pre-decs first
I hope I am not being rude but why not sell one of the MS62 Mules at auction, just one of these should fund many future submissions to a TPG and it would be REAL interesting to see what one of these would archive being graded and slabbed.
I have seen many "Ordinary" and even "Wannabe" mules sold for quite a few quid .
Yours being slabbed and graded as Genuine Uncirculated should fetch quite a premium over the run of the mill coins on offer.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='39048' dateline='1389045670'QuoteThanks Jim I've got a few more mules to send that should also
do very well hopefully but might concentrate on my pre-decs first
I hope I am not being rude but why not sell one of the MS62 Mules at auction, just one of these should fund many future submissions to a TPG and it would be REAL interesting to see what one of these would archive being graded and slabbed.
I have seen many "Ordinary" and even "Wannabe" mules sold for quite a few quid .
Yours being slabbed and graded as Genuine Uncirculated should fetch quite a premium over the run of the mill coins on offer.
I got $4600 at Downies Australian Coin Auctions for an MS62 the middle of last year. I used the proceeds to buy the 1931 dropped 1 Indian obverse penny that was in the same auction.
Nice results there Steve.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='39048' dateline='1389045670'QuoteThanks Jim I've got a few more mules to send that should also
do very well hopefully but might concentrate on my pre-decs first
I hope I am not being rude but why not sell one of the MS62 Mules at auction, just one of these should fund many future submissions to a TPG and it would be REAL interesting to see what one of these would archive being graded and slabbed.
I have seen many "Ordinary" and even "Wannabe" mules sold for quite a few quid .
Yours being slabbed and graded as Genuine Uncirculated should fetch quite a premium over the run of the mill coins on offer.
It's a good idea but I would rather keep the best and and watch them increase in value for a few years and maybe sell 1 or 2 of my lower grade mules.I have another 8 of them that should go AU50 to AU58 so will need to eventually get them slabbed
QuoteI got $4600 at Downies Australian Coin Auctions for an MS62 the middle of last year. I used the proceeds to buy the 1931 dropped 1 Indina obverse penny that was in the same auction.
WOW, Nicely done Feathers :yahoo:
Just goes to show that spending about $30 at the plastics factory can have a major influence on the value of a coin at auction :good:
Got a few grades back from Eric @ drake sterling today.
A 1951 1/2d No Dot with type 4 obverse in MS62RB and a 1943M 1/2d at MS65RD.
I'll be having a few cold ones to celebrate tonight.
Eric, as always, I appreciate the service you provide.
-rob
Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='39066' dateline='1389065958'Got a few grades back from Eric @ drake sterling today.
A 1951 1/2d No Dot with type 4 obverse in MS62RB and a 1943M 1/2d at MS65RD.
I'll be having a few cold ones to celebrate tonight.
Eric, as always, I appreciate the service you provide.
-rob
Cool Rob, will you be able to post up a link for some pics?
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Cool Rob, will you be able to post up a link for some pics?
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No link available yet (not yet uploaded) I have some in the same batch but should be available in the next couple of days
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='39067' dateline='1389066524'Cool Rob, will you be able to post up a link for some pics?
Links are up for my two (just in the last hour or so, their overnight batch run must have run)
https://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28983211.html
https://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28983212.html
-rob
Very nice Rob! Thanks for the links, congratulations!
Nicely done Rob, SWEEET coins Mate :yahoo::wavemulticolor:
These are mine from the same batch
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28686921/
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28686922/
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28686923/
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28686924/
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='39075' dateline='1389069312'These are mine from the same batch
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28686921/
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28686922/
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28686923/
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28686924/
Hmm, can't really get excited by the mules but that Florin.. that's a super coin!
Nice grade on the '25 1d as well.
-rob
All very very nice Stevo. Love them all, that 15H is excellent. Lots of drools for the mules!
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='39077' dateline='1389070559'All very very nice Stevo. Love them all, that 15H is excellent. Lots of drools for the mules!
Thanks Uni its been a long wait for the results.The fingernails are considerably shorter
yes belly likes the 1915h florin .:shok:
Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='39076' dateline='1389070412'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='39075' dateline='1389069312'These are mine from the same batch
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28686921/
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28686922/
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28686923/
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28686924/
Hmm, can't really get excited by the mules but that Florin.. that's a super coin!
Nice grade on the '25 1d as well.
-rob
Thanks Rob yes the Florin is a beauty but I thought the penny might do
a bit better.Still good results for both of us
Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='39070' dateline='1389067512'Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='39067' dateline='1389066524'Cool Rob, will you be able to post up a link for some pics?
Links are up for my two (just in the last hour or so, their overnight batch run must have run)
https://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28983211.html
https://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28983212.html
-rob
Very nice coins, well done....
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='39075' dateline='1389069312'These are mine from the same batch
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28686921/
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28686922/
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28686923/
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28686924/
Nice broken N on the penny. Does the slab record the variety?
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='39080' dateline='1389071355'Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='39076' dateline='1389070412'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='39075' dateline='1389069312'These are mine from the same batch
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28686921/
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28686922/
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28686923/
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28686924/
Hmm, can't really get excited by the mules but that Florin.. that's a super coin!
Nice grade on the '25 1d as well.
-rob
Thanks Rob yes the Florin is a beauty but I thought the penny might do
a bit better.Still good results for both of us
I'd agree with you Steve
I thought the penny would be a bit higher in the PCGS numbers
it must be the various dings that did it as the surfaces look quite smooth and even (although I have relatively little PCGS experience)
nice coin there and a fab broken 'n' as well
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='39089' dateline='1389088179'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='39075' dateline='1389069312'These are mine from the same batch
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28686921/
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28686922/
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28686923/
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28686924/
Nice broken N on the penny. Does the slab record the variety?
I did ask Eric that question before it went over to PCGS but apparently they don't recognise the variety at this stage
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='39092' dateline='1389092163'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='39080' dateline='1389071355'Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='39076' dateline='1389070412'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='39075' dateline='1389069312'These are mine from the same batch
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28686921/
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28686922/
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28686923/
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28686924/
Hmm, can't really get excited by the mules but that Florin.. that's a super coin!
Nice grade on the '25 1d as well.
-rob
Thanks Rob yes the Florin is a beauty but I thought the penny might do
a bit better.Still good results for both of us
I'd agree with you Steve
I thought the penny would be a bit higher in the PCGS numbers
it must be the various dings that did it as the surfaces look quite smooth and even (although I have relatively little PCGS experience)
nice coin there and a fab broken 'n' as well
It was by no means a perfect coin but could have graded AU53 -55 with NGC however I'ts a far better result than AU details.I am also very happy with the result for my other 3 coins.A very good result overall.It gives me incentive to send more over to PCGS
My fourth and largest submission has landed at PCGS (It arrived 6/1) but I have lost the duplicate of what I sent in :dash1:
Is there anyway I can find out what I sent (I have a memory like a sieve with extra holes in it) or do I just wait and see when they get graded?
I know I sent 32 coins in but I am beggared if I can remember which ones :angel:
Nope you'll just have to wait. Or find the gold paper.
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='39138' dateline='1389173841'Nope you'll just have to wait. Or find the gold paper.
Ah well, Will be a bit like opening an old album that I have forgotten about :yahoo:
Trout, if you can blow this picture up you'll be right!!
Quote from: 'trout' pid='37776' dateline='1387665741'All good to go, I just have to pack and post them now
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/bulk_lot.jpg)
Seems like a fair bit of expense but in reality it works out to being only $20.16 per coin :ok:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/bulk_lot1.jpg)
You are a bloody legend Uni :yahoo:
Still cant read it but and there are 2 pages :dash1:
I remember what I did now :angel:
I downloaded a submission sheet so that I could get all the coins on the same submission number, I neglected to make copies Bugger :dash1:
N worries will probably be more fun this way anyway :good:
I also ditched the "Secure" option and saved myself a few quid and will probably make the grading faster :yahoo:
While we're on the subject of grading, I've got a special on at the moment for coins that go under the regular submission level. If you can submit at least ten coins, I can do the grading fee at $50 each for coins that fall under the regular submission level. The usual price is $60, so it's a significant saving. If anyone is interested, feel free to pm me.
Eric
Quotenealeffendi Wrote: I just hope the rise in slabbing kills off the dipping (and the dealers who dip shut up shop).
Dipping, if done correctly will not prevent a coin being graded. In fact, you can send a coin that has toned in a way where the eye appeal is negatively impacted to both PCGS and NGC for restoration. I haven't read about the NGC option, but at PCGS they will evaluate if the coin should be 'restored' before attempting it, ie: They will not restore a coin where the toning adds eye appeal.
If I can quote a line out of the PCGS Restoration page, I've bolded the section where the dealers get it wrong
Quote:Often these problems can be addressed by the skillful application of various non-invasive and industry-accepted techniques
Those dealers that practice their own restoration only need to change one thing. They should only perform the 'restoration' on request of the customer, and by doing this we all could probably arrive at a happy place.
Right now, they believe the customers want blast white coins, so that's what they offer.
Sorry for going off topic!
-rob
I have concerns with this "Restoration" done by the TPG's.
Why is it that a TPG will grade and slab a coin that they KNOW has been cleaned (because they did the cleaning) and yet boddybag a coin someone else restores/cleans ?
I suspect a coin that has been "Restored" by one TPG would get a "Details" grade if graded by a different TPG.
I imagine that any sort of cleaning or treatment on a coin would be readily apparent to a skilled grader and would be treated as such :ok:
There is a difference between cleaning that damages the surface of a coin and cleaning that doesn't.
For example removing dirt or pvc residue from a coin can be done so that the surface isn't damaged. Coin is gradable.
Scrubbing dirt or toning off with a wire brush will almost certainly damage the coin. Coin is not gradable.
Dipping a silver coin to remove toning will affect the surface (I don't recommend this unless the coin is so ugly that no-one would want it in their collection) but if done carefully it may enhance the coin by improving its eye appeal. It will damage the surface of the coin of course, but can still inprove the iverall grade.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='39155' dateline='1389209718'I have concerns with this "Restoration" done by the TPG's.
Why is it that a TPG will grade and slab a coin that they KNOW has been cleaned (because they did the cleaning) and yet boddybag a coin someone else restores/cleans ?
I suspect a coin that has been "Restored" by one TPG would get a "Details" grade if graded by a different TPG.
I imagine that any sort of cleaning or treatment on a coin would be readily apparent to a skilled grader and would be treated as such :ok:
PCGS doesn't automatically grade coins that have been through the restoration process. In fact, if a coin requires extensive (and invasive) cleaning to remove, say, PVC, and the surfaces of the coin are subsequently damaged in the process, then the coin will in fact be body-bagged. See:
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28981886.html
Quotebut if done carefully it may enhance the coin by improving its eye appeal. It will damage the surface of the coin of course, but can still inprove the iverall grade.
That being the case it would still come back in a bodybag regardless of the grade achieved .
I would much rather have a coin NOT "Restored" and have it come back in a slab with a numerical grade regardless of what that grade is as long as that dreaded "Details" isn't on the slab :ok:
Any method used to hide damage (filling holes, buffing mark, etc) will always result in a no grade.
Methods to remove contaminants from the surface of the coin are judged based on the surface damage they cause. If the surface damage is significantly in excess of what would normally be present for the coin's given grading, it will result in a no grade, otherwise it will be graded.
cool, this is very interesting, thanks :good:
I sent off a couple of my better incused Millennium coins to Pcgs in my last submission.
Just wondering if they will come back described as such
Quote from: 'trout' pid='40601' dateline='1390961294'I sent off a couple of my better incused Millennium coins to Pcgs in my last submission.
Just wondering if they will come back described as such
one word. nope
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='40602' dateline='1390964380'Quote from: 'trout' pid='40601' dateline='1390961294'I sent off a couple of my better incused Millennium coins to Pcgs in my last submission.
Just wondering if they will come back described as such
one word. nope
I wonder what I am paying these guys for sometimes :dash1:
A bit like paying big bucks to get a plumber in and getting 2 cold taps fitted to the shower:angel:
We got some grades in today from an Economy submission that they've had since December 2. There was something in there that they got stuck on. Not sure what.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='40649' dateline='1391030277'We got some grades in today from an Economy submission that they've had since December 2. There was something in there that they got stuck on. Not sure what.
What did you send in that was unusual?
Quote from: 'trout' pid='40651' dateline='1391033888'Quote from: 'markn' pid='40649' dateline='1391030277'We got some grades in today from an Economy submission that they've had since December 2. There was something in there that they got stuck on. Not sure what.
What did you send in that was unusual?
Really the only thing was a Rhodesia and Nyasaland proof set. But that's not that strange, they are around. Everything else was pretty vanilla.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='40652' dateline='1391035034'Quote from: 'trout' pid='40651' dateline='1391033888'Quote from: 'markn' pid='40649' dateline='1391030277'We got some grades in today from an Economy submission that they've had since December 2. There was something in there that they got stuck on. Not sure what.
What did you send in that was unusual?
Really the only thing was a Rhodesia and Nyasaland proof set. But that's not that strange, they are around. Everything else was pretty vanilla.
I hope the grades for those were worth the wait :good:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='40655' dateline='1391036604'I hope the grades for those were worth the wait :good:
The proof set graded pretty much as expected. The coins had been in a felt lined box for 57 years and had toned accordingly. But at least they all graded. Nothing worse than one coin from a set not grading and then you have to find a single coin to complete the set. 1892 maundy set I am looking at you and the damn 4d with a planchet flaw.
You were right about the 2000 50 cent.
AU58 Millennium, NO mention of the incused flag :dash1:
My Strike rate is slowly getting better.
My first 2 submissions produced 3 boddybags out of 16 coins
I'm up to 64 coins graded now and NO more of them awful "Details" grades :yahoo:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='40664' dateline='1391043482'My Strike rate is slowly getting better.
My first 2 submissions produced 3 boddybags out of 16 coins
I'm up to 64 coins graded now and NO more of them awful "Details" grades :yahoo:
Nice work Trout.
QuoteNice work Trout.
All is mainly due to the advice and knowledge given to me by Members of this Forum.
AWSOME job you Mob :wavemulticolor:
Quote from: 'markn' pid='40649' dateline='1391030277'We got some grades in today from an Economy submission that they've had since December 2. There was something in there that they got stuck on. Not sure what.
My last submission was received 8/1/14 and was graded 29/1/14.
By far the fastest turnaround for me so far :good:
I have a submission of 8 coins at NGC, they received them 16/1/14.
It will be interesting to see if they can match PCGS for speed :)
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='39162' dateline='1389220885'There is a difference between cleaning that damages the surface of a coin and cleaning that doesn't.
For example removing dirt or pvc residue from a coin can be done so that the surface isn't damaged. Coin is gradable.
Scrubbing dirt or toning off with a wire brush will almost certainly damage the coin. Coin is not gradable.
Dipping a silver coin to remove toning will affect the surface (I don't recommend this unless the coin is so ugly that no-one would want it in their collection) but if done carefully it may enhance the coin by improving its eye appeal. It will damage the surface of the coin of course, but can still inprove the iverall grade.
Did someone get it wrong on their '31 Indian?
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='40674' dateline='1391048541'Quote from: 'emu666' pid='39162' dateline='1389220885'There is a difference between cleaning that damages the surface of a coin and cleaning that doesn't.
For example removing dirt or pvc residue from a coin can be done so that the surface isn't damaged. Coin is gradable.
Scrubbing dirt or toning off with a wire brush will almost certainly damage the coin. Coin is not gradable.
Dipping a silver coin to remove toning will affect the surface (I don't recommend this unless the coin is so ugly that no-one would want it in their collection) but if done carefully it may enhance the coin by improving its eye appeal. It will damage the surface of the coin of course, but can still inprove the iverall grade.
Did someone get it wrong on their '31 Indian?
yes
was careless removing the dirt and caused a few hairline scratches.
This was a nice grade. MS65. I didn't think we'd sent a coin this nice but looking at our notes I graded it a MS65 before we sent it.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/australia-1921m-3d.jpg)
That is a little beauty Mark :drool:
Here are some of the latest grades from PCGS.
1981 50c PR69DC equal top 4
1987 50c PR69DC equal top7
1985 50c PR69DC 1 better at PR70
1979 50c PR69DC equal top 4
1983 50c PR69DC equal top 2
1987 20c PR69DC equal top 7
1985 20c PR69DC equal top 4
1984 20c PR69DC equal top 4
1974 20c PR69DC equal top2
1987 10c PR69DC equal top 8
1974 10c PR69DC equal top 4
1972 5c MS68 equal top 5
1974 5c PR69DC equal top 7
1979 5c PR69DC equal top 2
1987 2c PR69DC 1 better
1974 2c PR69DC equal top 3
1985 1c PR69DC equal top 5
Oh I forgot to add the 1981 PR69DC 10 cents coin, Single highest graded :yahoo: :)
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28777488.html
Quoteyes
was careless removing the dirt and caused a few hairline scratches.
I am certain that we have ALL done similar in our collecting careers :angel:
You are most certainly NO orphan Feathers:yahoo:
on topic ?
just heard that pcgs and/or ngc are setting up in hong kong !!
they may be only a transit stop for submissions by bulk to/from usa. this may reduce those excessive postage costs out of usa :dodgy:
and obviously set up for a grading centre in asia
anyone verify this ....
Quote from: 'trout' pid='40684' dateline='1391055726'That is a little beauty Mark :drool:
Here are some of the latest grades from PCGS.
1981 50c PR69DC equal top 4
1987 50c PR69DC equal top7
1985 50c PR69DC 1 better at PR70
1979 50c PR69DC equal top 4
1983 50c PR69DC equal top 2
1987 20c PR69DC equal top 7
1985 20c PR69DC equal top 4
1984 20c PR69DC equal top 4
1974 20c PR69DC equal top2
1987 10c PR69DC equal top 8
1974 10c PR69DC equal top 4
1972 5c MS68 equal top 5
1974 5c PR69DC equal top 7
1979 5c PR69DC equal top 2
1987 2c PR69DC 1 better
1974 2c PR69DC equal top 3
1985 1c PR69DC equal top 5
Oh I forgot to add the 1981 PR69DC 10 cents coin, Single highest graded :yahoo: :)
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28777488.html
Quoteyes
was careless removing the dirt and caused a few hairline scratches.
I am certain that we have ALL done similar in our collecting careers :angel:
You are most certainly NO orphan Feathers:yahoo:
That 1972 5c in ms68 is a great result
I think I am happier with the result on the 81 10 cents being the single highest graded :good:
PCGS has been in Hong Kong for a while:
http://www.coinnews.net/2012/01/06/pcgs-opens-hong-kong-office/
NGC just opened their office:
http://www.ngccoin.com/news/viewarticle.aspx?NewsletterNewsArticleID=724
Here are my latest results from the shared submissions page.
https://www.pcgs.com/Membership/sharedorder.aspx?OrderNo=20772890
Quote from: 'trout' pid='40695' dateline='1391073665'I think I am happier with the result on the 81 10 cents being the single highest graded :good:
I hope you're right and it is a lone totp, but I think the Population report is updated weekly so it may be sharing the top spot with another coin.
Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='40717' dateline='1391113965'Quote from: 'trout' pid='40695' dateline='1391073665'I think I am happier with the result on the 81 10 cents being the single highest graded :good:
I hope you're right and it is a lone totp, but I think the Population report is updated weekly so it may be sharing the top spot with another coin.
There is a 1 in the appropriate place in the details of my submission so I am claiming my 15 min of fame regardless :):angel:
QuoteI agree with nealeffendi it does have a little bit of weakness on the bust (breaks in the line above the diamonds), hair looks a little indistinct to me (maybe it is just the lighting or the photo) otherwise a great coin tho I would have to place a 99.99% chance that it gets MS63-64 at PCGS. However NGC wise it would be a MS64 at least with a small chance of MS65.
I was of the understanding that PCGS and NGC graded to the SAME standards.
I have sent 8 coins into NGC for grading, Have I wasted my money ?
My NGC submission has gone from received to Scheduled for Grading.
Wonder how long it will take now :angel:
Trout they do grade to the same standards tho the little bit of indistinct strike is subjective to who you get on the day PCGS and NGC are definetely consistent but PCGS is a bit harder and/or less lenient on the grading cause remember a grade isn't just the preservation of the surfaces but also strike, lustre and eye appeal. You haven't wasted your money NGC still grades accurately tho gives a slight benefit of the doubt if you will.
I just watched the NGC video and it looks like I only get a crappy cardboard box in the post, I much prefer the flash blue plastic PCGS jobbies :)
My understanding (from reading lots of posts over on CCF about the TPGs) is that PCGS is just a little bit tougher on grading and gets more so the higher up you go. Much easier to get NGC to slab a pre decimal at MS65 and higher than at PCGS.
Trout, I was underbidder on both of your Pommy Canberra florins, how can you break even on slobbing fees at such low winning bids?
Quotehow can you break even on slobbing fees at such low winning bids?
Win some loose some, it's just the way it is :ok:
Bluesheet value on those was only $48 so I did OK with them. :)
Quote from: 'trout' pid='40837' dateline='1391225229'Quotehow can you break even on slobbing fees at such low winning bids?
Win some loose some, it's just the way it is :ok:
Bluesheet value on those was only $48 so I did OK with them. :)
OK? How?
Slabbing costs about $30, plus return post to California, plus ebay fee ,plus paypal fee and you have less than bullion value left. Ouch.
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='40853' dateline='1391233488'Quote from: 'trout' pid='40837' dateline='1391225229'Quotehow can you break even on slobbing fees at such low winning bids?
Win some loose some, it's just the way it is :ok:
Bluesheet value on those was only $48 so I did OK with them. :)
OK? How?
Slabbing costs about $30, plus return post to California, plus ebay fee ,plus paypal fee and you have less than bullion value left. Ouch.
The gains in goodwill and return bidders is worth every penny.
Anyway if you start an auction at 99 cents you are morally obliged to let it run its course.
There is no real drama as I have hundreds of these :)
Quote from: 'trout' pid='40855' dateline='1391235439'Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='40853' dateline='1391233488'Quote from: 'trout' pid='40837' dateline='1391225229'Quotehow can you break even on slobbing fees at such low winning bids?
Win some loose some, it's just the way it is :ok:
Bluesheet value on those was only $48 so I did OK with them. :)
OK? How?
Slabbing costs about $30, plus return post to California, plus ebay fee ,plus paypal fee and you have less than bullion value left. Ouch.
The gains in goodwill and return bidders is worth every penny.
Anyway if you start an auction at 99 cents you are morally obliged to let it run its course.
There is no real drama as I have hundreds of these :)
Don't know how many time I've won an auction and the seller cancels the sale because he didn't get as much as expected.
Or they put in dummy bids (from 2 shill accounts) to the level they want. If a patsy then wins the seller completes the transaction, if a shill wins then the sale is cancelled.
Here is another one that went really well :angel:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/171227494483?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1561.l2649
Ouch Trout!
No biggie, Now lets get this tread back on topic :ok:
I spotted this one the shared submissions page.
Some really nice Aussie coins in here and I am certain that they are one of our members coins :)
https://www.pcgs.com/Membership/sharedorder.aspx?OrderNo=20767683
Well yes.
The pennies (including the token) and the florins are mine; the threepences and the halfpennies are Stuart's (i.e. work coins). My next few weeks wages will be going on paying Stuart back for all the slabbing costs.
It was nice to have the 32, 36, 42I come up as red; the 41 must have been very close.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='40900' dateline='1391324360'Well yes.
The pennies (including the token) and the florins are mine; the threepences and the halfpennies are Stuart's (i.e. work coins). My next few weeks wages will be going on paying Stuart back for all the slabbing costs.
It was nice to have the 32, 26, 42I come up as red; the 41 must have been very close.
I think they were a bit hard on that Canberra florin it looks a tad better than MS64 to me.
Uh, the auto crop tool they used messed up on this one.
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28865671.html
Quote from: 'markn' pid='40903' dateline='1391325918'Uh, the auto crop tool they used messed up on this one.
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28865671.html
Now THAT is definitely different :dodgy:
You would think they would check the image before finalizing it
Wow! emu666. Some nice grades and coins there.
Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='40717' dateline='1391113965'Quote from: 'trout' pid='40695' dateline='1391073665'I think I am happier with the result on the 81 10 cents being the single highest graded :good:
I hope you're right and it is a lone totp, but I think the Population report is updated weekly so it may be sharing the top spot with another coin.
You were right, there is another one :dash1:
I have just received my nine coins that were sent to PCGS for grading and here are the grades:
Mint Error 1975 50c piece PCGS AU58
1983 50c Mint Error PCGS Genuine Cleaning-UNC Details
2000 Mule PCGS AU 50
2000 Mule PCGS AU50
2000 Mule PCGS AU55
2000 Mule PCGS AU55
2000 Mule PCGS AU55
2000 Mule PCGS AU50
2000 Mule PCGS AU55
I suppose as all the Mules came from circulation, I can't complain.
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='41091' dateline='1391666876'I have just received my nine coins that were sent to PCGS for grading and here are the grades:
Mint Error 1975 50c piece PCGS AU58
1983 50c Mint Error PCGS Genuine Cleaning-UNC Details
2000 Mule PCGS AU 50
2000 Mule PCGS AU50
2000 Mule PCGS AU55
2000 Mule PCGS AU55
2000 Mule PCGS AU55
2000 Mule PCGS AU50
2000 Mule PCGS AU55
I suppose as all the Mules came from circulation, I can't complain.
No you certainly cant complain about that Goldy.There's no doubt you've increased their value by slabbing them in my opinion
What are the errors Goldy? Nice stable of mules!!
PPH: 7 x Mules as listed above. 1 x 1975 50c 10% Off Centre (AU58), 1983 50c that has the raised edges at each of the points. This is the one that quote "Cleaning-UNC Details". Whatever that means.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10120/1975_50_c_Offset_Obv_PCGS_E724198_58_28865061.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10120/1975_50_c_Offset_Rev_PCGS_E724198_58_28865061.jpg)
I was thinking of sending this coin to PCGS for grading.Should I crack it out or leave it as is?
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Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='41100' dateline='1391682980'I was thinking of sending this coin to PCGS for grading.Should I crack it out or leave it as is?
My experience is that NNC coins are overgraded.
Having said that I've bought a couple cheap and they have been OK for the price.
Photos here are not good enough to be sure but I'd say its not worth sending to PCGS.
Who is NNC?
WOW nice error Bruce,love it.
QuoteThis is the one that quote "Cleaning-UNC Details". Whatever that means.
This is a "Details" grade/slab what is referred to as a "Bodybag coin", You did well on your first submission :good:
My first two submissions produced three "details" slabs, 1x cleaning, 1x damage and 1x altered surfaces :dash1:
Be careful Bruce, This can become addictive and expensive But is great fun anyway :)
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='41095' dateline='1391674886'1983 50c that has the raised edges at each of the points. This is the one that quote "Cleaning-UNC Details". Whatever that means.
Not necessarily a bodybag, it's in a genuine slab. It's a genuine uncirculated coin but has a problem. It's been cleaned and may exhibit hairlines or similar. For some rarer coins a genuine slab is better than a bodybag. A bodybag is bad when it comes returned in a Saflip and not a slab.
QuoteA bodybag is bad when it comes returned in a Saflip and not a slab.
Thanks for clearing that up for me PP, I feel a wee bit better now:)
I just had a look at this years PCGS submission forms and everything is the same except the postage costs.
This has gone up $12 or over 10% :dodgy:
Thanks one and all for that.
I am seriously thinking of sending my other 15 Mules for Grading and slabbing now.
Quote from: 'jozk123' pid='41105' dateline='1391705775'WOW nice error Bruce,love it.
Thanks Joe. I got it from a member of this forum.
QuoteI am seriously thinking of sending my other 15 Mules for Grading and slabbing now.
You would be crazy if you didn't Bruce :good:
If you are going to do this I strongly suggest that you get get a "NO Frills" membership just to have access to direct submissions :ok:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='41106' dateline='1391718970'Be careful Bruce, This can become addictive and expensive But is great fun anyway :)
How things change.
A few months ago trout was a confirmed "slob-ophobic". Notorious for cracking slabs and removing the coins.
Now he is a "slab-aholic" and sending coins away to be graded and slabbed.
PCGS must be a very powerful one of those new designer drugs!
QuoteHow things change.
A few months ago trout was a confirmed "slob-ophobic". Notorious for cracking slabs and removing the coins.
I still remove coins from slabs and mint packaging to add to my collections, That hasn't changed at all :)
QuoteNow he is a "slab-aholic" and sending coins away to be graded and slabbed.
The reason I am getting coins graded by TPG's is to make them a more saleable item, Also it is a fantastic way of "Fine Tuning" my grading skills.
Most of us THINK we can grade accurately, Testing that skill against PCGS or NGC lets you KNOW if you have it sussed :ok:
QuotePCGS must be a very powerful one of those new designer drugs!
One of the oldest drugs of all.
The thirst to learn new skills and my competitive nature kicks in.
There is also an immense sense of satisfaction when you do "Get it Right" :yahoo:
Well said Jim.
The initial hurdle for me was sending my valuable coins away for months at a time and hoping that they come back safely but as they
say nothing ventured nothing gained
Have you got your Happy Chinese New year card from PCGS yet?
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/new_year1.png)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/new_year.png)
Some nice Aussie coins in these submissions :good:
And NO they aren't mine :dash1:
https://www.pcgs.com/Membership/sharedorder.aspx?OrderNo=20768539
https://www.pcgs.com/Membership/sharedorder.aspx?OrderNo=20768537
Far out absolute beauties there and that 1951PL Penny in MS66RB would be quite the coin to behold.
Quote from: 'oh my florin' pid='41479' dateline='1392249975'Far out absolute beauties there and that 1951PL Penny in MS66RB would be quite the coin to behold.
I have just spent the last hour or so looking at those beauties :angel:
Just picked this as a speculator for $42.The photos aren't that flash
but I'm hoping it might make AU58 or better if I send it over to PCGS
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Verdigidis in the 9 or left of h of commonwealth?
Quote from: 'oh my florin' pid='41483' dateline='1392252965'Verdigidis in the 9 or left of h of commonwealth?
I'm hoping that's just dirt
Quote from: 'oh my florin' pid='41483' dateline='1392252965'Verdigidis in the 9 or left of h of commonwealth?
Also in the eye of the "9" and between the "3" and the dot on the reverse.
I sent some coins to NGC hoping that it would be a faster turn around.
NAH , that was a forlorn hope, They are just as slow as PCGS :dash1:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='41554' dateline='1392327539'I sent some coins to NGC hoping that it would be a faster turn around.
NAH , that was a forlorn hope, They are just as slow as PCGS :dash1:
You had to do it to find out though.At least you wont die wondering
QuoteYou had to do it to find out though.At least you wont die wondering
AH well ya live and learn ay :)
How could you betray PCGS like that trout after all you two have been through. lol
Quote from: 'oh my florin' pid='41558' dateline='1392332217'How could you betray PCGS like that trout after all you two have been through. lol
Lets face it I am just a coin trollop :blush::laugh2::)
This one is on its way to PCGS.IT will be very interesting to see how
it grades as I always thought it would go AU58
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/39a.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/39b.jpg)
It may just be the pic's but this seems to be missing most of its original luster.
As far as wear goes I recon its aUnc.
For a AU58 grade you need most of the original luster to still be there :ok:
If there is very little luster left on the coin then it may be indicative of a coin that has been dipped once too often and will get a "Details" grade :angel:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='41564' dateline='1392334883'It may just be the pic's but this seems to be missing most of its original luster.
As far as wear goes I recon its aUnc.
For a AU58 grade you need most of the original luster to still be there :ok:
If there is very little luster left on the coin then it may be indicative of a coin that has been dipped once too often and will get a "Details" grade :angel:
It has more of a frosty look to it rather than dazzling lustre.Eric
thought it was worthy of the trip so I hope it does well
Another of my coins winging its way to PCGS
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/233a.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/233b.jpg)
QuoteEric
thought it was worthy of the trip so I hope it does well
Can't argue with that logic , hope it does well Mate.:whistle2:
Update us on the results when you get them :ok:
good luck with the submission Steve
couple of very nice scarcer dates
that 1939 looks pretty darn good to me
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='41670' dateline='1392416272'good luck with the submission Steve
couple of very nice scarcer dates
that 1939 looks pretty darn good to me
Thanks Robbie I bought it as EF really cheaply a couple of years ago
and after seeing lots of PCGS slabbed examples I think it will do OK.
I've got to send 5 or 6 2000 $1 mules away for grading next week
and I think they'll do well also because PCGS tend to overgrade these coins IMO
í had a close look at the 1939 cause you have monster pics up & i'd agree that it's EF - that is what I pegged it as (maybe a E/F+)
it is a sweet coin
they are elusive in higher grades and have such soft obverse strike that they are hard to grade as well
the shield looks very nicely struck up on that coin
the mules are a popular error with the decimal collectors, that is for sure
QuotePCGS tend to overgrade these coins IMO
And that's a good thing because :blink:
I doubt that this is the case tho
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='41675' dateline='1392418743'Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='41670' dateline='1392416272'good luck with the submission Steve
couple of very nice scarcer dates
that 1939 looks pretty darn good to me
Thanks Robbie I bought it as EF really cheaply a couple of years ago
and after seeing lots of PCGS slabbed examples I think it will do OK.
I've got to send 5 or 6 2000 $1 mules away for grading next week
and I think they'll do well also because PCGS tend to overgrade these coins IMO
Their grading is consistent across different series.
With decimals most people expect an unc coin to be fully brilliant and with little bagging as obtained from the better mint sets. In fact most of these are MS65 or better. An unc coin is one which does not have any metal missing due to wear. So it can be dull and baggy and still is MS62, or can be brilliant and baggy and MS62 (I have one that is very lustrous and extremely baggy. It was graded as MS61 and the grading is correct - there is no actual wear).
The AU58 and AU55's can vary a lot in terms of lustre and eye appeal. Prices should reflect this; i.e. don't buy by just the grade. Aluminium bronze is a very tough metal so the coin will have a lot more circulation before it wears down to AU58 or AU55 in comparison with say a silver coin so often the coin is duller.
Well my Gold Ducat has been to the other side of the Globe three times now.
1st trip to the States it came back with a MS63 grade, that was nice. :good:
2nd trip and it came back in a UNC "Details" slab and that was rather disappointing :cray:
The 3rd trip (it's not home yet) and I get the news from Eric that they now consider this to be a MS65 coin after all :wavemulticolor:
Well worth the effort and a couple of bucks spent :)
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='41680' dateline='1392420869'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='41675' dateline='1392418743'Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='41670' dateline='1392416272'good luck with the submission Steve
couple of very nice scarcer dates
that 1939 looks pretty darn good to me
Thanks Robbie I bought it as EF really cheaply a couple of years ago
and after seeing lots of PCGS slabbed examples I think it will do OK.
I've got to send 5 or 6 2000 $1 mules away for grading next week
and I think they'll do well also because PCGS tend to overgrade these coins IMO
Their grading is consistent across different series.
With decimals most people expect an unc coin to be fully brilliant and with little bagging as obtained from the better mint sets. In fact most of these are MS65 or better. An unc coin is one which does not have any metal missing due to wear. So it can be dull and baggy and still is MS62, or can be brilliant and baggy and MS62 (I have one that is very lustrous and extremely baggy. It was graded as MS61 and the grading is correct - there is no actual wear).
The AU58 and AU55's can vary a lot in terms of lustre and eye appeal. Prices should reflect this; i.e. don't buy by just the grade. Aluminium bronze is a very tough metal so the coin will have a lot more circulation before it wears down to AU58 or AU55 in comparison with say a silver coin so often the coin is duller.
Good to know that excessive bagging wont stop a coin from achieving an MS grade,That gives me a bit of confidence in the mules I'll be sending over
Quote from: 'trout' pid='41699' dateline='1392427150'Well my Gold Ducat has been to the other side of the Globe three times now.
1st trip to the States it came back with a MS63 grade, that was nice. :good:
2nd trip and it came back in a UNC "Details" slab and that was rather disappointing :cray:
The 3rd trip (it's not home yet) and I get the news from Eric that they now consider this to be a MS65 coin after all :wavemulticolor:
Well worth the effort and a couple of bucks spent :)
Thank goodness. I knew it was a good coin.
QuoteThank goodness. I knew it was a good coin.
:agreed:
I was stunned when it came back in that bloody details slab.
Where they got "Altered surfaces" from is beyond me, when I first cracked this out and had a real good look at it .
I'm buggered if I could see any problems with the coin :@
These are the Mules I'll be sending to PCGS,I think they are all worthy of slabbing and for me they are very difficult to nail down a grade in their raw state.Some are a bit baggy but I think they'll be OK
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/mule_b_28129.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/mule_b_28229.jpg)
Quote from: 'trout' pid='41703' dateline='1392428146'QuoteThank goodness. I knew it was a good coin.
:agreed:
I was stunned when it came back in that bloody details slab.
Where they got "Altered surfaces" from is beyond me, when I first cracked this out and had a real good look at it .
I'm buggered if I could see any problems with the coin :@
I'm not surprised that NGC upgraded the coin two points. NGC is not known for their consistency. I wish some of my PCGS-graded coins upgraded by two points!
That's a nice group of mules Stevo!
Did you noodle them all?
QuoteI'm not surprised that NGC upgraded the coin two points. NGC is not known for their consistency. I wish some of my PCGS-graded coins upgraded by two points!
That's the funny part, NGC had already graded this particular coin at MS63 :ok:
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='41723' dateline='1392441307'That's a nice group of mules Stevo!
Did you noodle them all?
Thanks Uni but no I bought them all about 3 years ago,I'm hoping that a couple
of them might grade to AU58 at PCGS
I just got this link from Eric, looks pretty good in the new slab :)
out of 38 graded there is another one at this grade but none higher.
Highest PCGS coin is a MS64.
Feeling as flash as a rat with a Gold tooth at the moment:yahoo::angel::whistle2:
http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/index.aspx?CertNumber=3700615-003
Quote from: 'trout' pid='41735' dateline='1392444208'I just got this link from Eric, looks pretty good in the new slab :)
out of 38 graded there is another one at this grade but none higher.
Highest PCGS coin is a MS64.
Feeling as flash as a rat with a Gold tooth at the moment:yahoo::angel::whistle2:
http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/index.aspx?CertNumber=3700615-003
You've fallen on your feet this time Jim but I would definitely avoid repeating the same process for any other coin.Congradulations on
the upgrade:yahoo:
QuoteYou've fallen on your feet this time Jim but I would definitely avoid repeating the same process for any other coin.Congradulations on
the upgradeYahoo
I don't know, from MS63 to MS65 there wouldn't be that much of an increase in value would there?
now sending to pcgs for a crossover grading :yahoo:
Quote from: 'bellyflorin' pid='41770' dateline='1392453225'now sending to pcgs for a crossover grading :yahoo:
Nup, I'm done mucking about with this one :blush:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='41761' dateline='1392452090'QuoteYou've fallen on your feet this time Jim but I would definitely avoid repeating the same process for any other coin.Congradulations on
the upgradeYahoo
I don't know, from MS63 to MS65 there wouldn't be that much of an increase in value would there?
Probably double the value at a guess
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='41772' dateline='1392454063'Quote from: 'trout' pid='41761' dateline='1392452090'QuoteYou've fallen on your feet this time Jim but I would definitely avoid repeating the same process for any other coin.Congradulations on
the upgradeYahoo
I don't know, from MS63 to MS65 there wouldn't be that much of an increase in value would there?
Probably double the value at a guess
The other MS65 one of these sold at auction for about $1400-$1500 four years ago so not that much of a difference considering at MS 63 they are valued at $1100-$1200 .
Prices may have changed over the last few years but not by that much IMHO :ok:
well done mr fish
the coin looks lovely all re-slabbed and everything
consider it a recondition job!
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='41781' dateline='1392455824'well done mr fish
the coin looks lovely all re-slabbed and everything
consider it a recondition job!
Thanks Mate :friends:
I was seriously thinking of selling this if it came back in a low end MS slab because of that "Altered Surfaces" decision by PCGS and buying another one for my Proc collection .
Mark and I have both seen this coin "In the Flesh" and we both agree that it IS not only problem free but a super nice coin to boot.
The grade by NGC was all the vindication I needed so this little puppy will be staying with ME (and the rest of its proc Mates :) )
:kez_15: Well truck me, if you would have said to me even 6 months ago trout will become a slab man I would have told ya ya dreamin and pull ya head out but now I've seen it with me own two beady little eyes I'm just flabbergasted and ya could knock me over with a feather and want to know what's happened to the world :dodgy: gee all this sudden change is takin it's toll on me :heat: :laugh2:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='41783' dateline='1392456738'Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='41781' dateline='1392455824'well done mr fish
the coin looks lovely all re-slabbed and everything
consider it a recondition job!
Thanks Mate :friends:
I was seriously thinking of selling this if it came back in a low end MS slab because of that "Altered Surfaces" decision by PCGS and buying another one for my Proc collection .
Mark and I have both seen this coin "In the Flesh" and we both agree that it IS not only problem free but a super nice coin to boot.
The grade by NGC was all the vindication I needed so this little puppy will be staying with ME (and the rest of its proc Mates :) )
If you like a particular coin, keep it.
QuoteIf you like a particular coin, keep it.
:agreed:
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='41700' dateline='1392427295'Quote from: 'emu666' pid='41680' dateline='1392420869'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='41675' dateline='1392418743'Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='41670' dateline='1392416272'good luck with the submission Steve
couple of very nice scarcer dates
that 1939 looks pretty darn good to me
Thanks Robbie I bought it as EF really cheaply a couple of years ago
and after seeing lots of PCGS slabbed examples I think it will do OK.
I've got to send 5 or 6 2000 $1 mules away for grading next week
and I think they'll do well also because PCGS tend to overgrade these coins IMO
Their grading is consistent across different series.
With decimals most people expect an unc coin to be fully brilliant and with little bagging as obtained from the better mint sets. In fact most of these are MS65 or better. An unc coin is one which does not have any metal missing due to wear. So it can be dull and baggy and still is MS62, or can be brilliant and baggy and MS62 (I have one that is very lustrous and extremely baggy. It was graded as MS61 and the grading is correct - there is no actual wear).
The AU58 and AU55's can vary a lot in terms of lustre and eye appeal. Prices should reflect this; i.e. don't buy by just the grade. Aluminium bronze is a very tough metal so the coin will have a lot more circulation before it wears down to AU58 or AU55 in comparison with say a silver coin so often the coin is duller.
Good to know that excessive bagging wont stop a coin from achieving an MS grade,That gives me a bit of confidence in the mules I'll be sending over
Unc mule (rescued from a poker machine at Burswood Casino late August 2004).
(http://www.thesandpit.net/pcgs/28751857_o.JPG)
(http://www.thesandpit.net/pcgs/28751857_r.JPG)
Looks like a really nice unc in these two scans.
Obverse at a different angle:
(http://www.thesandpit.net/pcgs/28751857_o3.JPG)
Looks a bit baggier but still far better than its PCGS garde:
(http://www.thesandpit.net/pcgs/28751857_o2.JPG)
The coin is very lustrous and very baggy. I agree with the PCGS grade.
My conclusion from this exercise is that scans can be very misleading.
QuoteThe coin is very lustrous and very baggy. I agree with the PCGS grade.
My conclusion from this exercise is that scanc can be very misleading.
Not too sure if I agree with the grade, Far too baggy to be simply bag marks.
To me this has obviously seen some circulation but the inherent hardness of the metal has protected it somewhat .
Baggy to me equates to the damage done at the mint and in transit to the banks, NOT bashed around to buggery in its first few days/weeks of circulation but still has luster .
If this was a Canberra florin it would come back as AU55-58 at best :ok:
This coin has obviously seen some circulation, FAR too knocked around IMHO
Not having a go simply stating my opinion on the images supplied :ok:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='41886' dateline='1392538847'QuoteThe coin is very lustrous and very baggy. I agree with the PCGS grade.
My conclusion from this exercise is that scans can be very misleading.
Not too sure if I agree with the grade, Far too baggy to be simply bag marks.
To me this has obviously seen some circulation but the inherent hardness of the metal has protected it somewhat .
Baggy to me equates to the damage done at the mint and in transit to the banks, NOT bashed around to buggery in its first few days/weeks of circulation but still has luster .
If this was a Canberra florin it would come back as AU55-58 at best :ok:
This coin has obviously seen some circulation, FAR too knocked around IMHO
Not having a go simply stating my opinion on the images supplied :ok:
That turns out not to be the case.
If metal has been removed due to circulation (as opposed to it not being there in the first place due to a poor strike for example) it counts as wear so will grade as AU.
A Canberra florin with the same amount of bagging and lustre would also come back as MS61.
As would an 1893-M veil sovereign for example: http://www.drakesterling.com.au/coins-for-sale/products/1893-melbourne-veiled-head-sovereign-1
The good thing about the Sheldon system is its consistency.
The thing about bagmarks is you don't know where they occurred. You know my mule managed to get around and see a bit of the sights as I told you I got it out of a poker machine.
Suppose instead I told you I pulled it from an original mint bag?
I have pulled lower grade coins out of original bags and rolls.
NO worries Feathers, I was just calling it as I would grade it and gave an explanation as to why that's all :ok:
Jusus , I thought I had this Sheldon thing down pat.
Ah well back to the drawing board :):blush:
I hope my explanation was helpful
Here's an easy one from the latest submission (grades received this morning)
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28869206/
I'm hiding it in this thread so Purple Pussy cannot see the coin and try to get it from me.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='42282' dateline='1392886466'http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28869206/
Nice.
I'd be interested to know if PCGS take the softness of the metal into account.
My impression is that the adjectival grading system is slightly more lenient on softer metals.
However I have not seen anything to indicate that this is the case with PCGS/NGC.
Stunning coin emu!
Would they have graded that a few years back ? Weren't coins like that coming back questionable colour ?
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='42284' dateline='1392888008'I'd be interested to know if PCGS take the softness of the metal into account.
My impression is that the adjectival grading system is slightly more lenient on softer metals.
However I have not seen anything to indicate that this is the case with PCGS/NGC.
I believe you are correct as the grade takes into account surface preservation, strike, lustre and eye appeal. The type of metal isn't relevant.
Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='42285' dateline='1392888206'Stunning coin emu!
Would they have graded that a few years back ? Weren't coins like that coming back questionable colour ?
Yes; quite often.
Some still are:
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28869178/
(Once again; I hope Purple Pussy doesn't see this one)
meow!!!
at this very moment I am a very green with envy pussy cat!!
exceptional coins big bird
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a585/auntyrobbs/1964ms64plusrb_zps62f26afd.png)(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a585/auntyrobbs/28869178_CertVerificationThumb2_zpse1541bbe.jpg)
PCGS will also (in effect) grade the planchet.
Although they don't seem to mention it.
In other words planchet streaks and flaws translate to a lower grade or a no grade.
Its a big issue with aussie copper.
Quote from: 'emu666' pid='42286' dateline='1392888231'Quote from: 'echidna' pid='42284' dateline='1392888008'I'd be interested to know if PCGS take the softness of the metal into account.
My impression is that the adjectival grading system is slightly more lenient on softer metals.
However I have not seen anything to indicate that this is the case with PCGS/NGC.
I believe you are correct as the grade takes into account surface preservation, strike, lustre and eye appeal. The type of metal isn't relevant.
Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='42285' dateline='1392888206'Stunning coin emu!
Would they have graded that a few years back ? Weren't coins like that coming back questionable colour ?
Yes; quite often.
Some still are:
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/28869178/
(Once again; I hope Purple Pussy doesn't see this one)
Emu. I have a purple penny like that. Did you get it from Klaus (unremembered surname)?
Nightparrot, you probably mean Klaus Ford
It was a long time ago but I think it came straight out of a 1964 penny roll.
It is a natural coin.
This is the infamous "purple penny", the original -and it belongs to feathers. There are others with similar hues but this is the actual coin. Shame on PCGS for their questionable colour.
(http://images.pcgs.com/SecurePlus/28869178_large.jpg)
Whats questionable about the colour ?,looks like a lovely natural toning to me .
Hope this one does a bit better than the last 1925 penny that I sent over
I would hope it gets AU50
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/25a.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/25b.jpg)
Spur on the 'G'.?
Quote from: 'Robster' pid='42335' dateline='1392956654'Spur on the 'G'.?
Looks like it.
Also a possible Die crack between TR of Australia.
Not observed either on a '25, will have to look.
Steve : The coin appears to have been cleaned.
XF Details is what I'm seeing.
I'd say AU50 if the surfaces are OK.
Photo isn't really good enough to tell.
Quote from: 'Fordprefect' pid='42337' dateline='1392956940'Quote from: 'Robster' pid='42335' dateline='1392956654'Spur on the 'G'.?
Looks like it.
Also a possible Die crack between TR of Australia.
Not observed either on a '25, will have to look.
Steve : The coin appears to have been cleaned.
XF Details is what I'm seeing.
Eric has sent this one off for me so hopefully not cleaned
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='42344' dateline='1392958062'I'd say AU50 if the surfaces are OK.
Photo isn't really good enough to tell.
Yeah sorry about the photos .I am fairly sure the surfaces are OK.Should know in the next few weeks
Would be nice if the first 1925 penny posted earlier today graded to AU50
as I dont think it is as good as the one below which PCGS graded AU50 a few weeks ago
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/25b~0.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/25a~0.jpg)
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='42345' dateline='1392958507'Quote from: 'Fordprefect' pid='42337' dateline='1392956940'Quote from: 'Robster' pid='42335' dateline='1392956654'
Steve : The coin appears to have been cleaned.
XF Details is what I'm seeing.
Eric has sent this one off for me so hopefully not cleaned
A second opinion In Hand is worth 20 images.:angel:
That said I can see XF45, can't see AU being scored.
Quote from: 'Fordprefect' pid='42348' dateline='1392959372'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='42345' dateline='1392958507'Quote from: 'Fordprefect' pid='42337' dateline='1392956940'Quote from: 'Robster' pid='42335' dateline='1392956654'
Steve : The coin appears to have been cleaned.
XF Details is what I'm seeing.
Eric has sent this one off for me so hopefully not cleaned
A second opinion In Hand is worth 20 images.:angel:
That said I can see XF45, can't see AU being scored.
Well said FP now I just have to wait and see:beg:
You have a good deal of moustache remaining on that first one Steve.
I'd say it's a grade better than my 1927 Indian obverse which came in XF45:
(http://images.pcgs.com/SecurePlus/28869188_large.jpg)
This one came in XF45 too
(http://images.pcgs.com/SecurePlus/28865659_large.jpg)
as did this
(http://images.pcgs.com/SecurePlus/28865660_large.jpg)
I'm not too sure your 1925 is a full grade better than the 1919 and 1920 as the reverse of it looks much the same.
would any body be interested in me sending them my mule coin so they can send it off with their coins? I am happy to pay my fees and a % of any other postage and insurance costs??
Quote from: 'error hunter' pid='42363' dateline='1392971468'would any body be interested in me sending them my mule coin so they can send it off with their coins? I am happy to pay my fees and a % of any other postage and insurance costs??
Best go through an authorised dealer such as Eric at Drake Sterling.
Quote from: 'error hunter' pid='42363' dateline='1392971468'would any body be interested in me sending them my mule coin so they can send it off with their coins? I am happy to pay my fees and a % of any other postage and insurance costs??
hi error hunter , how good is your mule ? I have one too that I would like to get graded and slabbed but I don't know weather it is good enough to be graded or not , so I think I will dig it out tomorrow put some pic up here for the guys to look at including ERIC , and see if they can give me an idea if it is good enough , if so I would be happy to also send it to ERIC to send over with yours ..
please let me know what you think about that . ,, kel ,,
hi error hunter , I just saw your mule on the other page and noticed the double ring does not go all the way around the coin , as mine does. I have no idea of grading coins but you say maybe 58 well I will show mine tomorrow and can you and others grade it for me please and let me know if it is worth having it graded and slabbed please ..
,, kel ,,
I sent seven of my Mules through Walter in Canberra. He is a member here. Forum name wwwww. Send him a PM as I did.
I will be sending another 15 for grading and slabbing shortly.
could this coin be graded by members of this forum and let me know if it would be good enough to send away to be graded and slabbed by PCGS please ?? below are the pictures that I have of this mule $ 1 dollar coin . thank you in advance for all answers ...
(http://i59.tinypic.com/k3mmu.jpg)
(http://i61.tinypic.com/166axec.jpg)
(http://i58.tinypic.com/29z7lzt.jpg)
(http://i59.tinypic.com/291z3nt.jpg)
,, kel ,,
They'd be worth sending Kel.
That one is well and truly on par with mine that I recently sent away.
I reckon maybe a AU55 might come in as.
thanks guys , BRUCE ,would AU55 make it that much better then what it is now , if my kids wanted to sell it later on , or is AU 55 just a standard grade for these kind of coins . in other words would the value go up enough to cover the cost of having it slabbed and give them much more profit in the end .
I really don't like slabbed coins that much but if it meant many more dollars to my kids then I would consider having it slabbed just for the sake of having a slabbed mule dollar , and I doubt I would ever sell it anyway . I think my wife and kids will end up getting my collection ,
as I am selling a few spare coins and upgrading my lot when ever I get the chance .. I love it .. ,, kel ,,
kel: I really can't honestly answer your question. I got seven of mine slabbed to try and preserve whatever appearance the coin(s) have, would remain.
Further, slabbing provides some kind of proof that the coin is genuine and as a result, is officially recorded somewhere even though I can't find it on the PCGS Website.
At a cost of $35.00, I am happy with the result(s) I have received.
I sent my coins via wwwww, who is a member of this forum. Made contact with Walter via a PM and went from there. The coins took about 2.5 months to come back and all was fine.
I would have no second thoughts in sending off another parcel of 15 Mules via Walter for the same thing. All I need is Walter's approval to go ahead.
thanks bruce , message understood .. ,, kel ,,
I have a batch of coins at NGC getting graded, They have been there since 16th of last month.
The status changed on Thursday to "Grading/Quality Control".
Just wondering how long they will linger at this stage before I can get the grade results :-/
I had 9 coins graded and slabbed by PCGS recently.
Can someone please instruct me as to how and where I can view my slabbed coins on the PCGS Website.
Thanks in advance.
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='42690' dateline='1393368943'I had 9 coins graded and slabbed by PCGS recently.
Can someone please instruct me as to how and where I can view my slabbed coins on the PCGS Website.
Thanks in advance.
If you know the submission number you can do a search using that number.
If you had these coins submitted by someone else then you will have to ask for the PCGS cert # and look them up using that. :ok:
I was thinking of sending this coin over to PCGS and it has some strange toning and was wondering if it looks like its been cleaned or not.
Opinions please TIA
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/18b1.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/18a1.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/18b.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/18a.jpg)
That looks a lot like the dreaded PVC damage/staining from those images.
I hope I am wrong because that is a very nice piece.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='42693' dateline='1393370379'That looks a lot like the dreaded PVC damage/staining from those images.
I hope I am wrong because that is a very nice piece.
Yeah I'm hoping its just toning.Might just have to send it down to Eric with my next lot and let him decide
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='42694' dateline='1393370566'Quote from: 'trout' pid='42693' dateline='1393370379'That looks a lot like the dreaded PVC damage/staining from those images.
I hope I am wrong because that is a very nice piece.
Yeah I'm hoping its just toning.Might just have to send it down to Eric with my next lot and let him decide
Sounds like a wise move to me Mate :good:
why has this half penny gone like this ???
it has gone very dirty and marked . and would the grading drop down much because of the way it looks now ??? ,, kel ,,
(http://i59.tinypic.com/27ya87r.jpg)
(http://i59.tinypic.com/2nlbo8g.jpg)
(http://i57.tinypic.com/35hgtvc.jpg)
,, kel ,,
I hope that didn't go under water in your last flood Kel, the slabs are NOT totally airtight :ok:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='42708' dateline='1393383582'I hope that didn't go under water in your last flood Kel, the slabs are NOT totally airtight :ok:
not near the water jim , it has been in my draw ever since got it
,, kel ,,
Quote from: 'keldaw' pid='42710' dateline='1393383825'Quote from: 'trout' pid='42708' dateline='1393383582'I hope that didn't go under water in your last flood Kel, the slabs are NOT totally airtight :ok:
not near the water jim , it has been in my draw ever since got it
,, kel ,,
Has it changed in appearance since you had it slabbed ?
I looked up the cert # but there were NO pic's
Quote from: 'trout' pid='42720' dateline='1393384395'Quote from: 'keldaw' pid='42710' dateline='1393383825'Quote from: 'trout' pid='42708' dateline='1393383582'I hope that didn't go under water in your last flood Kel, the slabs are NOT totally airtight :ok:
not near the water jim , it has been in my draw ever since got it
,, kel ,,
Has it changed in appearance since you had it slabbed ?
I looked up the cert # but there were NO pic's
It's definately changed colour
http://www.bluesheet.com.au/Certificates/PCGS/18537754/View
I suspect the colour change is just the white balance, can you photograph the coin next to a white sheet of paper?
Quote from: 'keldaw' pid='42707' dateline='1393383356'why has this half penny gone like this ???
it has gone very dirty and marked . and would the grading drop down much because of the way it looks now ??? ,, kel ,,
,, kel ,,
This was the coin before it left me..
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thanks rob , now I know where I got it from ,
after I got it from you I put it away in my draw and it has not been taken out until this morning to show my brother , that is when I noticed it changed , for what reason , I have no idea .. still I am happy with it , but sad that it has gone like this .. and jim , I guess that is the answer to your question too , I did not get it slabbed , it was given to me by rob .. fr45h3R ..
,, kel ,,
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='42741' dateline='1393395509'I suspect the colour change is just the white balance, can you photograph the coin next to a white sheet of paper?
thanks walter , I will see what I can do .. ,, kel ,,
Some nice coins in this submission :drooling:
https://www.pcgs.com/Membership/sharedorder.aspx?OrderNo=20778017
I put submission in at PCGS that they received 2/4/14, 19 days after the NGC submission I sent.
I received the grades from both TPG's today.
Both were pre decimal coin submissions, Looks like PCGS are the faster grading company by 19 days :good:
These are the coins I sent to NGC :)
http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/index.aspx?CertNumber=2789483-001
http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/index.aspx?CertNumber=2789483-002
http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/index.aspx?CertNumber=2789483-003
http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/index.aspx?CertNumber=2789483-004
http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/index.aspx?CertNumber=2789483-005
http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/index.aspx?CertNumber=2789483-006
http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/index.aspx?CertNumber=2789483-007
http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/index.aspx?CertNumber=2789483-008
oops links don't work for some reason :(
I'm a cleaver little Duck, I fixed it :yahoo:
Good result there Jim
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='43374' dateline='1394247693'Good result there Jim
The Crown was previously in a PCGS AU58 slab so I am happy that didn't get downgraded :good:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='43375' dateline='1394248125'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='43374' dateline='1394247693'Good result there Jim
The Crown was previously in a PCGS AU58 slab so I am happy that didn't get downgraded :good:
Why would you crack out a PCGS slab to submit to NGC and especially for a not that special coin or grade? In AU58 they go for well under $100 so the imputed value of the PCGS slab (say $30), plus the bullion value ($20) and the cost of shipping and slabbing at NGC (say another $30) makes it kind of unusual behaviour.
Or was this a coin you cracked out before your conversion from anti-slobbing to pro slabbing?
QuoteIn AU58 they go for well under $100
If you can find me any AU58 1938 crowns I will give you $100 each for them until the cows come home :whistle2:
This well traveled coin is finally home :yahoo:
Trouble is tho it doesn't fit in the PCGS blue box well and I can't close the lid :dash1:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ducat~2.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ducat1~2.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ducat2~2.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ducat3~0.jpg)
No the lid won't close, that's the most annoying thing ever.
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='43870' dateline='1394841131'No the lid won't close, that's the most annoying thing ever.
I have 8 coins coming back from NGC (PCGS coins already here and WAY faster than NGC) and from what I can work out they send them back in a scabby cardboard box.
I do have a couple of slab pages I can use in an album but I FAR prefer the blue boxes.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='43872' dateline='1394841453'Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='43870' dateline='1394841131'No the lid won't close, that's the most annoying thing ever.
I have 8 coins coming back from NGC (PCGS coins already here and WAY faster than NGC) and from what I can work out they send them back in a scabby cardboard box.
I do have a couple of slab pages I can use in an album but I FAR prefer the blue boxes.
all slabs fit in these ,looks pretty too , ok yep a bit pricey , but i like http://www.renniks.com/main.aspx?pageid=398&cat=&pid=6326
SWEEEEEET now I know what to make you bellboy ;)
Just sent another 7 Canberra's , a couple of crowns with some other decimal silvers and some proclamation coins off to the plastics factory .
Will also send a bunch of decimals off next week.
The initial idea of Bag em Slab em then Flog em has gone down the toilet pretty much :dash1:
I have been keeping quite a few and buying more slabs as well, Damn you Feathers , you are a bad influence Mate :)
I have sold a few on eBay and Numisbid but I have spent most of the ill earned gains on coins (which was the initial idea) but at the moment I am just doubling up on coins I already have raw with slabbed coins.
On the outset I started off "Cherry Picking" eBay to get gradable coins That I already have to sell so that I could add to my Sovereign collection ( Miniscule as it is ) but I can't help myself from grabbing the extra nice coins and keeping them.
I dunno how you dealers can do this, It is heart wrenching for me to sell some coins :cray:
OK, I have had my "Sook" and feel better now :)
As it's so bloody hard trying to find anything for you I'll make you a wooden box as well old mate just for ya ngc and odd size one's :good:
Sent some of my 2014 coins in with my last submission, This is the results.
Huge Thank You goes to Emu for picking me out such a nice Mint set.
Thanks Mate :yahoo:
2014 20c MS67
2014 50c MS68
2014 $1 MS68
2014 $1 PR69DC
Wow, great scores Trout!
Feathers certainly plucked you out a good one!
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='44248' dateline='1395271698'Wow, great scores Trout!
Feathers certainly plucked you out a good one!
Too right he did, getting better than MS67 coins from mint sets has become amazingly hard in the last few years :angel:
Feathers collection of slabbed one dollar coins is what got me interested in the whole PCGS/NGC venture in the first place.
Now all I have to do is get the other 300 odd coins done :dash1:
My Victoria Cross coin also came back but I only got a MS66 for that one :cray:
Details are up on the PCGS site but NO images :cray:
If you didn't send them under Secure Plus, you won't get images.
Eric
Quote from: 'drakesterling' pid='44291' dateline='1395297251'If you didn't send them under Secure Plus, you won't get images.
Eric
I haven't got my cc statement yet, But if that is the case I have just saved $80 :dance2::dance:
And we pay these guys to grade our coins :dash1:
2014 $1, DC(Proof)
PCGS #:525293
Mintage:
Metal Content:Silver
How hard is it to get an Australian coin graded at MS70 or PR70 ?
I have had dozens of coins come back MS/PR 69 but none at 70.
What does it take to get that last1 point?
Is it that we cannot create an MS/PR70 coin at the Mint or is it that the TPG's are not confident enough in their grading skills to apply that grade ?
We haven't got a 70. Emu or Eric might have some stats, it's not very easy but I think it's a lot about handling, if you're not careful with a coin say in a wedding set then you'll drop it back a point just by looking at it.
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='44993' dateline='1395899212'We haven't got a 70. Emu or Eric might have some stats, it's not very easy but I think it's a lot about handling, if you're not careful with a coin say in a wedding set then you'll drop it back a point just by looking at it.
If that was the case My ugly mug would scare more than just one point from a coin :laugh2:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='44985' dateline='1395897512'How hard is it to get an Australian coin graded at MS70 or PR70 ?
I have had dozens of coins come back MS/PR 69 but none at 70.
What does it take to get that last1 point?
Is it that we cannot create an MS/PR70 coin at the Mint or is it that the TPG's are not confident enough in their grading skills to apply that grade ?
To make an MS70/PR70 you need a perfect coin. Getting a circulation coin in MS70 is probably impossible. Wedding set coins are particularly well made so they tend to grade higher and I do recall seeing some MS70s though I've never had any come back that high. For other issues, MS68 is already very scarce with MS69 being very rare.
PR70s exist but in my experience it's almost always tiny tone spots that knock decimal proofs down from the 70 grading. As a general rule, the older the set the more time it would have had for tone spots to form. It would take an exceptionally well preserved proof set to get a PR70 out of an older set but PR70s are rather common with brand new proof sets.
The exception being 1966 sets, as the coins were exposed to air, a clever American dealer took the coins out and sealed them in thin plastic holders. They're nearly impossible to find these days so except to pay $2000+ for one.
A few grades back today. Around 20 working days for the submission which is unexpected for economy.
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29626462.html
I was expecting MS64BN, the reverse let the coin down.
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29626467.html
Happy with this one, silver isn't my specialty, i was expecting lower.
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29626468.html
Expected MS63RB on this one. It's quite a red coin, and in MS64RB I'm happy with it.
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29626469.html
I didn't have high hopes for this one. MS62BN was my grade. The surfaces were nice but I felt the spotting might have dragged it down. Even better that it's RB. Mind you the eye appeal if you ignore the spots was ok.
-rob
Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='49185' dateline='1400137911'A few grades back today. Around 20 working days for the submission which is unexpected for economy.
-rob
Nice grades. The PCGS secure plus images are a bit crappier than usual (not the coins, just the images).
The secure plus images are a lottery.
We were lucky to get 2 photos. I've seen them come back with just 1 side of the coins.
The submission was a shared one with coins from 3 people.
This was the pick of our lot
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29626465.html
Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='49187' dateline='1400138426'The secure plus images are a lottery.
We were lucky to get 2 photos. I've seen them come back with just 1 side of the coins.
The submission was a shared one with coins from 3 people.
This was the pick of our lot
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29626465.html
That's a nice one. It's almost like the photographer only had one of his lights on the day he took those images. They are all so dark.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='49188' dateline='1400138757'Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='49187' dateline='1400138426'The secure plus images are a lottery.
We were lucky to get 2 photos. I've seen them come back with just 1 side of the coins.
The submission was a shared one with coins from 3 people.
This was the pick of our lot
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29626465.html
That's a nice one. It's almost like the photographer only had one of his lights on the day he took those images. They are all so dark.
@ $5 a pop you think they would put a little more effort into taking the photo's
Quote from: 'trout' pid='49191' dateline='1400140323'Quote from: 'markn' pid='49188' dateline='1400138757'Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='49187' dateline='1400138426'The secure plus images are a lottery.
We were lucky to get 2 photos. I've seen them come back with just 1 side of the coins.
The submission was a shared one with coins from 3 people.
This was the pick of our lot
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29626465.html
That's a nice one. It's almost like the photographer only had one of his lights on the day he took those images. They are all so dark.
@ $5 a pop you think they would put a little more effort into taking the photo's
For a world economy submission, you have to select Secure-Plus. Only modern coins can go as standard submissions.
QuoteFor a world economy submission, you have to select Secure-Plus. Only modern coins can go as standard submissions.
The pic's come free with NGC and they are a far better quality IMHO.
I am thinking of getting all my 25mm silver proof coins slabbed , there are 60 of them.
If I send them all in at once will it qualify as a bulk submission and would I get a discount on the grading fees?
Quote from: 'trout' pid='49194' dateline='1400140652'QuoteFor a world economy submission, you have to select Secure-Plus. Only modern coins can go as standard submissions.
The pic's come free with NGC and they are a far better quality IMHO.
I am thinking of getting all my 25mm silver proof coins slabbed , there are 60 of them.
If I send them all in at once will it qualify as a bulk submission and would I get a discount on the grading fees?
http://www.pcgs.com/services/bulksubmissions.html
Looks like a big NO on the bulk submissions idea:dash1:
Thanks for the link Peter :good:
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Hi Guys, What grade do you think PCGS would give this little Zac?
Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='49185' dateline='1400137911'A few grades back today. Around 20 working days for the submission which is unexpected for economy.
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29626462.html
I was expecting MS64BN, the reverse let the coin down.
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29626467.html
Happy with this one, silver isn't my specialty, i was expecting lower.
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29626468.html
Expected MS63RB on this one. It's quite a red coin, and in MS64RB I'm happy with it.
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29626469.html
I didn't have high hopes for this one. MS62BN was my grade. The surfaces were nice but I felt the spotting might have dragged it down. Even better that it's RB. Mind you the eye appeal if you ignore the spots was ok.
-rob
Well done Rob and company :yahoo:
I have a nice 1969 proof set along with other coins waiting to be graded at the moment by PCGS.
This is the best set I have seen in a very long time and have high hopes to finally crack a PR70 :angel:
Now the waiting game begins :dash1:
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='49202' dateline='1400141908'Hi Guys, What grade do you think PCGS would give this little Zac?
I would say MS64
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='49202' dateline='1400141908'Hi Guys, What grade do you think PCGS would give this little Zac?
I wouldn't like to offer a grade from those images. If you twisted my arm I'd say I don't like what I see on HM's face and I'd grade it MS62 or no-grade due to hairlines.
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='49202' dateline='1400141908'Hi Guys, What grade do you think PCGS would give this little Zac?
The image looks like it has come from the PCGS site so I am going to have a stab at MS63.
Hi Guys, Mark is the closest... It came as AU58 .. not happy..
you really have to know your stuff sending off coins
Quote from: 'trout' pid='49238' dateline='1400192347'I have a nice 1969 proof set along with other coins waiting to be graded at the moment by PCGS.
This is the best set I have seen in a very long time and have high hopes to finally crack a PR70 :angel:
Now the waiting game begins :dash1:
so how do you do this? do you have to crack the set out and put in mylar flaps or will pcgs do it for you if you send the whole set?
Quote from: 'serial' pid='49247' dateline='1400201204'Quote from: 'trout' pid='49238' dateline='1400192347'I have a nice 1969 proof set along with other coins waiting to be graded at the moment by PCGS.
This is the best set I have seen in a very long time and have high hopes to finally crack a PR70 :angel:
Now the waiting game begins :dash1:
so how do you do this? do you have to crack the set out and put in mylar flaps or will pcgs do it for you if you send the whole set?
You have to break it out.
Quoteso how do you do this? do you have to crack the set out and put in mylar flaps or will pcgs do it for you if you send the whole set?
You crack them out, That's the fun part :)
Quote from: 'trout' pid='49250' dateline='1400202376'Quoteso how do you do this? do you have to crack the set out and put in mylar flaps or will pcgs do it for you if you send the whole set?
You crack them out, That's the fun part :)
I think I'll be doing that at some stage as well with my early decimal proof sets as the individual coins are worth far more slabbed than they are as a set
Quote from: 'trout' pid='49250' dateline='1400202376'Quoteso how do you do this? do you have to crack the set out and put in mylar flaps or will pcgs do it for you if you send the whole set?
You crack them out, That's the fun part :)
really? I hate it, breaking the plastic is easy but getting them out of the plastic inside holder is hard without impairing the proof. how do you do it?
Quote from: 'serial' pid='49252' dateline='1400203947'really? I hate it, breaking the plastic is easy but getting them out of the plastic inside holder is hard without impairing the proof. how do you do it?
Very carefully
Quotereally? I hate it, breaking the plastic is easy but getting them out of the plastic inside holder is hard without impairing the proof. how do you do it?
VERY CAREFULLY :)
This is one of the time that I do use gloves, I crack the set out onto some nice clean soft muslin cloth then place them into the 2.5 x 2.5 saflips. :ok:
but even with gloves u can mark the coins
especially if you are a klutz like me and drop them!! as I do and often!!
Quote from: 'serial' pid='49255' dateline='1400205225'but even with gloves u can mark the coins
The coins are handled with bare fingers when they are graded so I doubt that a soft pair of cotton gloves would make any impression on a coin :)
Quote from: 'markn' pid='49240' dateline='1400192969'Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='49202' dateline='1400141908'Hi Guys, What grade do you think PCGS would give this little Zac?
I wouldn't like to offer a grade from those images. If you twisted my arm I'd say I don't like what I see on HM's face and I'd grade it MS62 or no-grade due to hairlines.
I saw this in the hand before we submitted it.
I had put down MS63, with a fraction of doubt.
My thoughts after seeing the photo of the coin blown up, is the coin potentially was in a wooden drawer with the reverse up.
Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='49273' dateline='1400219252'Quote from: 'markn' pid='49240' dateline='1400192969'Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='49202' dateline='1400141908'Hi Guys, What grade do you think PCGS would give this little Zac?
I wouldn't like to offer a grade from those images. If you twisted my arm I'd say I don't like what I see on HM's face and I'd grade it MS62 or no-grade due to hairlines.
I saw this in the hand before we submitted it.
I had put down MS63, with a fraction of doubt.
My thoughts after seeing the photo of the coin blown up, is the coin potentially was in a wooden drawer with the reverse up.
When did you come up with this theory mate ?:yahoo:
just updated my set registry 1953 -1964 pennies (Oz)
ranked number 11 now - with 11 coins to add ha ha
I think I was on number 13 or so before - then went down to 12 when I deleted one - then up to 11 when I added 2 (or something like that anyways)
even added 2 photos for the first time
might even start a George VI set as I have 2 of them!!
QuoteWhen did you come up with this theory mate ?
I is not a theory it is what's called "cabinet rub".
People used to store coins in drawers and when the drawer is opened the inertia caused the coins to slide in the drawer causing wear on one side of the coin.
The same effect can happen with push in albums where the side of the coin facing out is damaged. :ok:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='49393' dateline='1400363099'QuoteWhen did you come up with this theory mate ?
I is not a theory it is what's called "cabinet rub".
People used to store coins in drawers and when the drawer is opened the inertia caused the coins to slide in the drawer causing wear on one side of the coin.
The same effect can happen with push in albums where the side of the coin facing out is damaged. :ok:
Got it mate :idea:
I am disappointed anyway ... I was hoping for a MS 62 or higher, one little issue drops it down like a lead balloon :dodgy:
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='49375' dateline='1400296440'just updated my set registry 1953 -1964 pennies (Oz)
ranked number 11 now - with 11 coins to add ha ha
I think I was on number 13 or so before - then went down to 12 when I deleted one - then up to 11 when I added 2 (or something like that anyways)
even added 2 photos for the first time
might even start a George VI set as I have 2 of them!!
Nice set RG, like your 64 Y... That's a nice find !
ta ausproofs
that year is my speciality so it takes a heck of a lot of time and effort to find them! - managed to find & submit both of the two highest graded in the Perth RD and RB in the PCGS pop report
a couple of very fine friends helped me to submit each of them & it would not have happened without their help & encouragement
I noodled these coins recently from a bulk lot and am trying to decide whether or not to send them to PCGS.Any thoughts would be welcome
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/61a.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/61b.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/64a.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/64b.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/64ya.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/64yb.jpg)
Ya gotta love some people that are just so encouraging, friendly and happy to help..it's one of the great things about here and collecting :friends:
All look 62-64 to me, if you are trying to make a profit on them I wouldn't send them, if you want them graded to help complete your collection then I would.
WOW Stevo, sweet coins mate and top pic's :good:
Quote from: 'dcoin' pid='49424' dateline='1400376607'All look 62-64 to me, if you are trying to make a profit on them I wouldn't send them, if you want them graded to help complete your collection then I would.
They haven't cost me anything yet but I'm trying to crack the top of the pops so if they don't look like making it then I probably wont send them
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='49426' dateline='1400376657'WOW Stevo, sweet coins mate and top pic's :good:
Thanks AJ - slightly out of focus but you get the general idea
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='49421' dateline='1400376340'I noodled these coins recently from a bulk lot and am trying to decide whether or not to send them to PCGS.Any thoughts would be welcome
I'd say they will all grade OK but not over 64.
QuoteThey haven't cost me anything yet but I'm trying to crack the top of the pops so if they don't look like making it then I probably wont send them
This is what you have to beat to become top of the pop's :ok:
The top coins are as follows;
NGC
1961 MS65RB
1964m MS65RB
1964y MS65RB
PCGS
1961 MS65RB
1964m MS66RD
1964y MS65RB
Quote from: 'trout' pid='49430' dateline='1400377665'QuoteThey haven't cost me anything yet but I'm trying to crack the top of the pops so if they don't look like making it then I probably wont send them
This is what you have to beat to become top of the pop's :ok:
The top coins are as follows;
NGC
1961 MS65RB
1964m MS65RB
1964y MS65RB
PCGS
1961 MS65RB
1964m MS66RD
1964y MS65RB
Thanks Jim it looks like these wont be contenders although I have been pleasantly surprised by PCGS on occasions so it would be a case of taking a chance
The half penny has a planchet flaw that will hold it back or no-grade it. The 64M has a spot which will prevent it seeing high grades. The 64Y looks like a thousand other 1964Y pennies that would grade 63RB or 64RB. They are good coins as freebies but I wouldn't send any expecting grades near the top of the pops.
Eric had these graded for me
This is the Arcot Pagoda I bought from the States
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30758387.html
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/pagoda.png)
This is a Sovereign I bought from Feathers
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30758388.html
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1894s_sov.png)
I have a submission that has been at PCGS since 12/9/14 that's 31 working days.
The turnaround time is supposed to be 23 working days according to the PCGS site.
I know "Be Patient" but there are 100 of my coins there and it is a big chunk of my 25mm dollar collection :angel:
I didn't suss any of them out before I sent them, I simply took them out of their 2x2's and put them in saflips to be graded.
It should give me a good idea as to how the rest of my 25mm coins will grade :)
Hey Trout take a piece out of the old diggers book that says "Hurry up and wait........"
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='61513' dateline='1414486196'Hey Trout take a piece out of the old diggers book that says "Hurry up and wait........"
All is good Goldie, the results are in :)
Nothing spectacular grades from MS64 through to MS69, I think the average will be about MS66ish.
I will post a link when it is available this one may work
https://www.pcgs.com/Membership/order.html?OrderNo=20850738&Year=2014
hi jim , do you have to be a member of their club to send them some
coins .? all I get is sign in or register ,, kel ,,
you need to select the "share order" on pcgs so we can see it trout.
now I have to wait for mine.
good news my 1 coin express order arrived today :)
Page 67 stevo1962 Penny images. 3rd coin down. Heads side looks to have a fingerprint near queens nose. Takes on rainbow shading.
Quote from: 'colour' pid='61538' dateline='1414539741'Page 67 stevo1962 Penny images. 3rd coin down. Heads side looks to have a fingerprint near queens nose. Takes on rainbow shading.
Yeah that coin is nothing special but graded MS63RB I think
This one works
https://www.pcgs.com/Membership/sharedorder.aspx?OrderNo=20850738
Goodonya trout.....
I will never be able to do that.
To buy all those coins and then to have them graded!
Random buying after I sell another collectable works for me.
So on eBay I have sold over US$52,000 in lots and will be stronger next year.
Your coin buying budget trout is amazing to put it mildly and I am very happy for you.
It is good to see how the other side of life lives. lol
what the hell is with pcgs turn around times. it is like they change them to antagonise me personally!
for instance the economy turnaround time increase to 35 days from 28 on the day I should be getting my results. and if that isn't enough proof then how about the express time, it went from 10 days to 35 2 days after they received my express submission!
conspiracy I tells ya!
I just saw your set registry trout. looking good at 55% completed. still got a little while to catch timbertop
Quote from: 'trout' pid='61562' dateline='1414577210'This one works
https://www.pcgs.com/Membership/sharedorder.aspx?OrderNo=20850738
Same coin????? Different coin number??????
64 1 30754774 530318 2014-B $1 A Voyage to Terra Australis Privy Mark Australia MS65
65 1 30754775 524879 2014-B $1 A Voyage to Terra Australis Privy Mark Australia MS66
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='61614' dateline='1414707942'Quote from: 'trout' pid='61562' dateline='1414577210'This one works
https://www.pcgs.com/Membership/sharedorder.aspx?OrderNo=20850738
Same coin????? Different coin number??????
64 1 30754774 530318 2014-B $1 A Voyage to Terra Australis Privy Mark Australia MS65
65 1 30754775 524879 2014-B $1 A Voyage to Terra Australis Privy Mark Australia MS66
One is a counter stamp the other is a privy mark
i got my results this morning and at 1st I was :yahoo:
but then I looked them over and :icon_cry:
worse run yet. I really thought I would get better than 62 on the florin and as for the rest sigh the 35 Ireland 6d is unc for sure! and the ms stuf is 1 point of where I thought it would land and the 13 penny is red not rb. on the flip side I am at least happy with the 1/2 cr, 1898 1/2d and straits settlement
AH1323/39 4 An Hyderabad MS63
1927(m) Florin Canberra Australia MS62
1896 1/2 Cr Gr.Britain AU50
1898 1/2D Gr.Britain MS64RB
1864 1/2D Gr.Britain XF45BN
1900-H 1C Hong Kong MS62BN
1913 1D Gr.Britain MS64RB
1935 6D Ireland AU55
1853(c) 1/2 Pc India MS63RB
1904 5C Hong Kong MS62
1904 5C Hong Kong MS62
1874-H 5C St. Sett XF40
1903 5C St. Sett XF45
1913(b) 2 An India MS62
1906(c) 1/12 An Thick Planchet India Genuine - UNC Details (97 - Environmental Damage)
1901(c) 1/12 An India MS62RB
1848 1/12 An India MS62BN
1918(c) 1/12 An India MS62RB
1907(c) 1/12 An India Genuine - UNC Details (97 - Environmental Damage)
1918(c) 1/12 An India MS63RB
1919(c) 1/12 An India MS63RB
1925(b) 1/12 An India MS63RB
1899(c) 1/12 An India MS63RB
1917(c) 1/12 An India MS63RB
1912(c) 1/12 An India MS62BN
1919(c) 1/12 An India MS63BN
1920(c) 1/12 An India MS62RB
1912(c) 1/12 An India MS62RB
1918(c) 1/12 An India MS62BN
1917(c) 1/12 An India MS62BN
1919(c) 1/12 An India MS62BN
1833 Pie AH1248 Large PIE Bombay Pres. XF40BN
1919(c) 1/12 An India MS62BN
Very interesting!
Slowly getting the idea of grading.....
So what is the cost per coin or whatever to get a coin graded?
Very Grateful for some help. colour
including all the postage cost about $33 a coin
Thanks for the answer serial.
Wow it is a very serious event!
But grading is grading, you just got to get it together.
It is going to take a bit more time to get a handle on it all.........
I just checked the tracking on that 100 coin submission and it has cleared Customs and is on its way home.
Not sure if it was my grizzling or they just do a "random" check every now and then.
The value on the submission was a lot more than $1000.
Happy to see that this one wont be hijacked and delayed :yahoo:
https://www.pcgs.com/Membership/sharedorder.aspx?OrderNo=20964454
I have a coin at PCGS at the moment awaiting a reconsideration.
I looked up the cert # for this coin and it is NO longer valid.
Is this normal?
Anyone else having a problem accessing the PCGS website ?
I tried at 8pm last night and again this morning and I still cant get through.
I just tried and seemed ok.
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='89819' dateline='1464902503'I just tried and seemed ok.
All I can get is a cached version on both my laptop and my phone :dash1:
Probably the government and their security trying to keep an eye on everyone :(
Belly couldn't get on the forum last night and said he kept getting 401 and I get it a fair bit to on different sites and one I really notice it on as I look a few times a day is Drakesterling, might also be them trying to make the next best thing called the NBN, who knows.
I can go anywhere else I want to on the net so I don't think it is a conspiracy .
PCGS were having a few problems on their website a week or so ago, I am hoping they have just shut down for repairs and will be up and running again soon.
No they ready do have it in for you and especially now that they know of Troutistan :blink: :laugh2:
I still can't access the PCGS site.:dash1:
I keep getting the Error 522 coming up on my screen.
I am in Meekatharra at the Moment and I am hoping it is just a local problem as I get the same message on my smart phone.
I will be home tomorrow and hopefully I will be able to use the site then.
Contact your local PCGS dealer in Australia that you use
Mmmm, not good so hope you get it worked out soon.
Error 522 for about the last four or five days.
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='89971' dateline='1465088254'Error 522 for about the last four or five days.
Must be a west coast problem
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='89971' dateline='1465088254'Error 522 for about the last four or five days.
Are you with Telstra/bigpond as well ??
Quote from: 'trout' pid='89996' dateline='1465102398'Quote from: 'echidna' pid='89971' dateline='1465088254'Error 522 for about the last four or five days.
Are you with Telstra/bigpond as well ??
yep
I thought it was just a problem with the connection at Meekatharra but I have the same 522 error from home.
Have bigpond got a phone number for faults that works on a weekend?
Quote from: 'trout' pid='90000' dateline='1465102807'I thought it was just a problem with the connection at Meekatharra but I have the same 522 error from home.
Have bigpond got a phone number for faults that works on a weekend?
133 933
I will give it a go.
I just tried an got the usual runaround with NO resolution to the problem :dash1:
:(
I just ran a trace from my computer to PCGS and I got through, yet I cant get through and view the site in my browser (Edge) :dash1:
Firefox doesn't work either , I get the same 522 error
Microsoft Windows [Version 10.0.10586]
(c) 2015 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
C:\Users\trout>tracert pcgs.com
Tracing route to pcgs.com [104.16.46.2]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 * * * Request timed out.
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 709 ms 417 ms 465 ms Bundle-Ether14.wel-edge901.perth.telstra.net [139.130.16.49]
4 363 ms 448 ms 428 ms bundle-ether6.wel-core3.perth.telstra.net [203.50.6.214]
5 409 ms 565 ms 498 ms bundle-ether1.wel-edge902.perth.telstra.net [203.50.6.191]
6 590 ms 833 ms 160 ms bundle-ether2.pie-edge902.perth.telstra.net [203.50.6.187]
7 66 ms 67 ms 80 ms voc1256236.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.110.94]
8 68 ms 77 ms 69 ms 175.45.120.9
9 65 ms 67 ms 67 ms 104.16.46.2
Trace complete.
Over two hours on the phone with Bigpond.
They want $180 to have a look at the problem.
This is a years subscription to their platinum service.
My impression that the issue is not with them though.
My next step is try to contact PCGS via email.
Their website is fine here in Mid North Coast NSW.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11067/pcgs.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11067/pcgs1.jpg)
The ping thingy works OK for me too.
No problemo.
Dont know about trout or others in WA but I still cant connect to PCGS.com
I'm starting to get a very bad feeling about this.
I think the answer is with PCGS.
And I suspect its going to be one of those "Oh no" type explainations.
My connection via "Ping" is faster than Uni's and yet I still get that 522 error .
This may be a problem with the "CloudFlare" server in Perth also as it seems strange that the PCGS site can be accessed without any problems elsewhere in Aus.
The only way to contact cloudflare is to sign up by the look of it as there is NO phone number available on their website.
I have found that emailing PCGS is a huge waste of time in most cases and there will be nobody home until midnight tonight.
This really is a pain in the arse as I pay my membership to PCGS every year and Telstra isn't Free either.
I have absolutely NO problems with the NGC site.
Maybe this "CloudFlare" thing is some sort of scam virus that has gotten through my firewall :angel:
Maybe Markn or Fulvio may be able to enlighten us about this because my knowledge of servers and networking is severely limited .
Microsoft Windows [Version 10.0.10586]
(c) 2015 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
C:\Users\trout>ping pcgs.com
Pinging pcgs.com [104.16.47.2] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 104.16.47.2: bytes=32 time=38ms TTL=56
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I'm glad yours pings faster Troutski, mine has to bounce to a satellite and back before it goes anywhere! :laugh2: Lost in ... spaaaaaace!
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='90042' dateline='1465124670'I'm glad yours pings faster Troutski, mine has to bounce to a satellite and back before it goes anywhere! :laugh2: Lost in ... spaaaaaace!
At least your connection works Mate :good:
I have never had one of these 522 errors before and haven't heard of CloudFlare before either.
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='90042' dateline='1465124670'I'm glad yours pings faster Troutski, mine has to bounce to a satellite and back before it goes anywhere! :laugh2: Lost in ... spaaaaaace!
:angel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG0ochx16Dg
CloudFlare is a caching system used by PCGS, it's had many problems before. I've already suggested to PCGS to get rid of it, it doesn't improve performance as much of the PCGS site is dynamic, in fact, based on how quick the PCGS site responds in the US, I'd say CloudFare makes it considerably worse.
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='90053' dateline='1465147608'CloudFlare is a caching system used by PCGS, it's had many problems before. I've already suggested to PCGS to get rid of it, it doesn't improve performance as much of the PCGS site is dynamic, in fact, based on how quick the PCGS site responds in the US, I'd say CloudFare makes it considerably worse.
Thanks walter So who do we need to talk to and get this fixed PCGS or CloudFlare ?
The people I spoke to on the phone from Bigpond were of absolutely NO help with this.
I still can't access the PCGs site :dash1:
I do find it a bit peculiar that this is only affecting users in Western Australia and not in other states.
I would have thought that if there was a problem with "CloudFlare" on the PCGS site it would affect everyone.
Is there a way to Bypass CloudFlare and log on ??
I'll give PCGS a call tonight.
Does anyone have their number ?
This number works for me :ok:
0011 I 9495671234
Office hours are from 7am to 5pm California time or 10pm to 8am WST
I have to travel for work tomorrow so I will be awake in the "Wee hours" so I will give them a call as well.
I would be nice to have this resolved because I have 4 submissions awaiting grading that should be done shortly and I would really like to see how these are going.
Also I have to do some upgrading on my set registry as well.
None of this can be done if I cant log on .
Why is it the more they "fix" thing to make it easier the harder it becomes :dash1:
I just got off the phone to PCGS and after 20 min of international phone charges I got pretty much NO where.
All I got was this sheila telling me that it is working fine for her and the IT department don't take calls for me to talk to someone that does know what they are talking about.
This is after ringing last night and being told that the IT people weren't in yet and call back later.
Well I called back later when the IT people were in and lo and behold I couldn't talk to them anyway :dash1:
I have sent them (Yet another) email explaining what is happening my end But I am NOT holding my breath waiting for them to fix this.
If they cannot/won't fix this I will cancel my membership and use NGC from now on as at least they have a good customer service unlike PCGS which is Crap.
I am hoping that echidna had better luck when he called these morons.
Have you tried connecting via mobile data on your phone? What page in particular can't you reach?
Quote from: 'markn' pid='90165' dateline='1465259869'Have you tried connecting via mobile data on your phone? What page in particular can't you reach?
I get the same 522 error using my phone
I have NO problems accessing any other website on either my computer or my phone.
It is only pcgs that i cannot log onto, not even their homepage
Did a quick bit of looking around and found this as a possible cause.
"People delete Adblock the chrome app,because thats what was causing this 522 error for me, just that one plugin."
So if you can check if you have the adblock plugin and disable it, perhaps it will work.
I have tried to got onto the pcgs site with 3 other peoples phones and the results are the same on all of them 522 error on all of them.
It does look like this is a server/website problem...
CloudFlare Error 522 (http://www.gobloggingtips.com/cloudflare-error-522/)
error cloudflare 522 connection timed out (https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20131125062512AA9YIS3)
It's not a PCGS server error, it's a CloudFlare server error. The PCGS server is working fine (tested from US).
Trout you can get around it for now by using a US based proxy service - there are plenty of free ones.
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='90204' dateline='1465309644'It's not a PCGS server error, it's a CloudFlare server error. The PCGS server is working fine (tested from US).
Trout you can get around it for now by using a US based proxy service - there are plenty of free ones.
Can you give me a link to one of these proxies please Mate
(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc462/joseywales10/PCGS%208%20June%202016_zpsd5wvrqda.jpg)
Hope I dont get any registry removal requests cause I still cant access PCGS.
Its got to be a Cloudflare problem.
Could it be blocking the server ?
Trout just google free proxy, there are heaps of options. I can't recommend any as I use a private one.
The PCGS site is up, the issue is with CloudFare.
(http://downloads.putme.net/pcgs.png)
Thanks Walter, I can get in via a proxy But I still can't access normally.
This really is a pain in the arse and I have given up trying to talk to PCGS about this problem because they have done absolutely nothing about it after a week of emails and phone calls.
I am not a big fish with PCGS But I do average spending about $10,000 a year with them and if they can't sort this mess sorted out I will either stop getting my coins graded altogether or give NGC my business.
My uneducated guess is Cloudflare is blocking certain servers by mistake.
VPN fixed the problem.
I can also now log on using a proxy But I shouldn't have to, PCGS are aware that CloudFlare is causing problems and yet they won't/can't fix those problems and the customer service I received recently was nothing short of abysmal .
Along with the retardedly slow turnaround times and lack of customer service this latest "snafu" at PCGs is making me seriously reconsider using NGC .
Maybe NGC aren't the Biggest Kid on the Block and there is a perception held that NGC graded coins are graded 1 point higher than PCGS would grade the coin at But from my experience the service provided by NGC is far superior to PCGS as far as customer service and turnaround times are concerned.
Maybe I will simply stop getting my coins graded altogether I'm not sure which way I want to proceed at the moment, I do know however that I am pretty Disenchanted with the rather expensive service ( or lack of it) that PCGS is providing me with at the moment and this cannot continue.
Maybe they're too big so don't give a stuff about customer service but that seems to be the go with a lot of companies these days, they think people will keep putting up with their crap because they're pcgs and think there's no one else you can use..sad when this happens.
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='90388' dateline='1465650204'Maybe they're too big so don't give a stuff about customer service but that seems to be the go with a lot of companies these days, they think people will keep putting up with their crap because they're pcgs and think there's no one else you can use..sad when this happens.
I do think that PCGS is starting to become Complacent and they need a "Shake Up" to get them back to looking after all of their clients.
I am certain that I am not the only collector that has concerns as to the quality of the service that PCGS is currently providing as of late.
The slabs you get back from PCGS are a good product and I have NO problems whatsoever with that.
It is just that the customer service and the turnaround times have gone to the dogs over the last year or so and they really need to address these problems.
Maybe they are concentrating their resources on their Big clients at the expense of their smaller submitters as of late ,I don't know.
All I do know is that I am NOT a happy camper with the service that I am paying for at the moment and that I have a backlog of coins that I want to have graded .
Maybe send to the asian branch might be better, a bloke Geoffrey H on facebook has become a pcgs dealer/rep type thing and been offering cheap slabbing with quick turn around but I think he might be using the asian service but not real sure on that.
I just had a look at the PCGS Asia site and guess what...........................522 error :dash1:
My understanding is that the "asian service" is only available when they fly in graders for special events at Hong Kong for example. I have sent a submission (my first) via GH on Fbook. He received the coins on 22/4/16 and quoted 2 - 3 months turnaround. I got the impression the coins were headed for the US.
I sent one of my submissions in the "Express" tier and it arrived at PCGS 13/5/16 and has yet to be finalised.
As there is a rather large difference in the costs to send an express submission and an economy submission the fees should be discounted if the scheduled timeframe blows out , I very much doubt that this will be the case .
At the moment I will be charged $65 for a $20 service for this submission when it is finally Shipped.
This is just so "Wrong" to charge for an expedited service that they have obviously failed to deliver.
Quote from: 'r9453' pid='90398' dateline='1465683189'My understanding is that the "asian service" is only available when they fly in graders for special events at Hong Kong for example. I have sent a submission (my first) via GH on Fbook. He received the coins on 22/4/16 and quoted 2 - 3 months turnaround. I got the impression the coins were headed for the US.
Asian (HK) branch sends their coins to US for grading as well. (Thats my understanding ).They do accept submissions directly from members.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='90399' dateline='1465684669'I sent one of my submissions in the "Express" tier and it arrived at PCGS 13/5/16 and has yet to be finalised.
As there is a rather large difference in the costs to send an express submission and an economy submission the fees should be discounted if the scheduled timeframe blows out , I very much doubt that this will be the case .
At the moment I will be charged $65 for a $20 service for this submission when it is finally Shipped.
This is just so "Wrong" to charge for an expedited service that they have obviously failed to deliver.
I hear you Trout, I only buy PCGS graded coins ( almost all the time with occasional NGC coins here and there). However I do agree with you on their customer service, it is very poor... I used to send my coins directly, but it was not economically viable and frustrating, now I use Eric... If there is an issue, Eric deals with it...
Sometimes over confidence or arrogance is the downfall of an organization.. Hopefully PCGS will get their act together soon... else it will be matter of time before someone else will wipe them out with quality and service...
Quote from: 'trout' pid='90399' dateline='1465684669'This is just so "Wrong" to charge for an expedited service that they have obviously failed to deliver.
I don't know how much worse things can get, PCGS seems to be treating you with contempt, indifference at best.
QuotePCGS seems to be treating you with contempt, indifference at best.
That's the feeling that I am getting and is why I am thinking of taking my business elsewhere.
Since 2013 I have had over a thousand coins graded by PCGS, Maybe NGC will appreciate my business in future :ok:
There are cases where orders take longer due to special research required, you can't fault PCGS for taking too long on these as it's more important that they're correct than quick. That being said, they should refund the fee difference though.
PCGS' times are very slow at the moment, see my order sheet above, that order that's been with PCGS since Feb was actually with them since Nov last year (but they ID'd the coins wrong so I had them redo it).
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='90406' dateline='1465686757'you can't fault PCGS for taking too long on these as it's more important that they're correct than quick
they ID'd the coins wrong so I had them redo it
There is a contradiction there.
QuoteThere are cases where orders take longer due to special research required, you can't fault PCGS for taking too long on these as it's more important that they're correct than quick
None of the coins in my latest submissions would require any special research on behalf of PCGS, They are pretty much just run of the mill coins.
If PCGS is getting "Snowed Under" then they must employ more graders to cope with this instead of relying on the sheep like mentality of their clients to put up with these unacceptable delays in providing their service.
I have absolutely NO problem paying for a service But at the moment I am Not getting what I am paying for :ok:
I was told that someone sent in a submission of 10000 Australian coins and to
expect long delays so that will be the reason for the current blowout in grading
times
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='90409' dateline='1465689280'I was told that someone sent in a submission of 10000 Australian coins and to
expect long delays so that will be the reason for the current blowout in grading
times
I call BS on that.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='90410' dateline='1465689871'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='90409' dateline='1465689280'I was told that someone sent in a submission of 10000 Australian coins and to
expect long delays so that will be the reason for the current blowout in grading
times
I call BS on that.
I wouldn't call Eric a bullshitter but maybe your best option is to go
to NGC if you want to devalue your collection
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='90411' dateline='1465690133'Quote from: 'trout' pid='90410' dateline='1465689871'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='90409' dateline='1465689280'I was told that someone sent in a submission of 10000 Australian coins and to
expect long delays so that will be the reason for the current blowout in grading
times
I call BS on that.
I wouldn't call Eric a bullshitter but maybe your best option is to go
to NGC if you want to devalue your collection
Who on earth would send that many coins in at once and when did they send them ?
Quote from: 'trout' pid='90412' dateline='1465690395'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='90411' dateline='1465690133'Quote from: 'trout' pid='90410' dateline='1465689871'Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='90409' dateline='1465689280'I was told that someone sent in a submission of 10000 Australian coins and to
expect long delays so that will be the reason for the current blowout in grading
times
I call BS on that.
I wouldn't call Eric a bullshitter but maybe your best option is to go
to NGC if you want to devalue your collection
Who on earth would send that many coins in at once and when did they send them ?
I think they went over about 4-6 weeks ago and the only person I know capable of sending that many over is Michael Cotton .He once told me he was the biggest PCGS grader in Australia but I cant confirm that
Doesn't Stuart Andersen put in huge submissions like that :scratch_one-s_head:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='90414' dateline='1465690882'Doesn't Stuart Andersen put in huge submissions like that :scratch_one-s_head:
Do an ebay search for PCGS graded Australia coins and you get the answer... :angel:
If everyone else's submissions are delayed because of this insane amount of coins in one order bogging the system then those submissions affected should in all fairness be charged at a discounted rate.
Also there should have been at least an email from PCGS alerting us of this event.
This is why I call BS on this, NO warning NO apology or even an explanation from PGCS as to why the long delay.
When I sent my coins over there was a 20 day wait listed on the website for world economy ,which I thought was reasonable .
All of a sudden it has jumped 30 days and is now 50 days.
I can say that someone has submitted quite a few coins
I have sent an email requesting a discount on my submissions affected by this humongous lot of coins sent by Michael and the more than doubling of the turnaround times because of it.
I'm Not holding my breath, but I do think a discount is in order for those of us affected.
It will be interesting to see how PCGS replies ( If at all) to my request :angel:
If someone has submitted 20000 world coins at once then they will go to the front of the queue I reckon.
Wouldn't be surprised if ACTUAL turnaround times blow out to 6 months for everyone else.
For some reason I thought they were 20,000 Aussie coins (which would be extraordinary) but in any case it will slow them down a bit. I'm guessing these are multiples of modern coins ex mint.
Quote from: 'r9453' pid='90505' dateline='1465757865'For some reason I thought they were 20,000 Aussie coins (which would be extraordinary) but in any case it will slow them down a bit. I'm guessing these are multiples of modern coins ex mint.
As far as the Yanks are concerned Aussie coins are World coins.
Many of these "Super" orders are bullion coins that get flogged off on tv and magazines.
If this is the case then 20,000 bullion coins plus grading fees is a huge gamble that the spot price on silver is going to peak again.
Finally after 50 working days or 2 1/2 Months one of my submissions has been graded :yahoo:
There is a 1835 Rupee that was graded "Counterfeit" and that is probably why it took so long, The coin looked Kosher to me as is was the correct weight/dimensions and I could see nothing wrong with it.
However the 4 Captain Cook Specimen coins in the submission came back graded as MS :dash1:
I just got an email back from PCGS regarding the Cooks and they are going to look in to it for me.
All of a sudden I am getting good customer service from PCGS, this is a rather pleasant change :good:
PCGS is back online for me , NO 522 error now :yahoo:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='90677' dateline='1465918246'PCGS is back online for me , NO 522 error now :yahoo:
I'm glad that it got sorted, if indeed it has been sorted.
Until it came up in this thread I never heard of CloudFlare and out of the blue it popped up the other day while I was browsing. Something about CloudFlare was re-directing me to the site I was requesting.
False alarm, That mongrel cloudflare 522 is still there :cray:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='90689' dateline='1465944011'False alarm, That mongrel cloudflare 522 is still there :cray:
Another member has managed to get to the bottom of this issue and it's neither the fault of PCGS or Cloudflare. Please let everyone know if everything is working ok.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='91154' dateline='1466482344'Quote from: 'trout' pid='90689' dateline='1465944011'False alarm, That mongrel cloudflare 522 is still there :cray:
Another member has managed to get to the bottom of this issue and it's neither the fault of PCGS or Cloudflare. Please let everyone know if everything is working ok.
Working fine now :yahoo:
World economy turnaround time increased yesterday 40>>>43 days.
Quote from: 'Incused' pid='91220' dateline='1466552242'World economy turnaround time increased yesterday 40>>>43 days.
At least it is better than the 50 days it was earlier.
As my "Express" submission that is supposed to take 11 days at the moment is still Not finalised yet after 28 working days or nearly 6 weeks I view the PCGS turnaround times as irrelevant and misleading :ok:
By the way yesterday got my grades for modern submission, which arrived at USA on 01/06/2016. Overall results are not as expected, but got myself a dream - Incused MS64.
Quote from: 'r9453' pid='92547' dateline='1468520408'Quote from: 'trout' pid='92544' dateline='1468514018'QuoteI also have 25 coins stuck at PCGS for over two months.
When were your coins received by PCGS ??
I'm not sure of the exact date, I submitted through a local dealer who received them on 22/04/2016 and forwarded them to PCGS on 12/05/2016. I got an update on 12/06/2016 "just playing the waiting game now".
I got another update yesterday 12/08/2016, "Just an update, still no word on results for that PCGS submission however on the plus side for their delay I'm now in negotiations for some complimentary gradings which I'll be able to pass on to those collectors affected."
EDIT: The PCGS dealer is now a member of this forum, Cockatoo Coins.
QuoteEDIT: The PCGS dealer is now a member of this forum, Cockatoo Coins.
I read about his grading debacle with "mechanical errors" on CCF when they well and truly botched one of his submissions that he sent on behalf of his customers.
I have sent 2 submissions in to PCGS recently.
One submission was for 8 coins using my free submissions voucher and the other was an 11 coin one with my new Silver Proof 25mm $1 coins so that I can add them to my registry set.
If they Stuff either of these up this time I will cancel my subscription .
Quote from: 'Incused' pid='93164' dateline='1469339195'By the way yesterday got my grades for modern submission, which arrived at USA on 01/06/2016. Overall results are not as expected, but got myself a dream - Incused MS64.
congratulations
Quote from: 'r9453' pid='94277' dateline='1470945941'Quote from: 'r9453' pid='92547' dateline='1468520408'Quote from: 'trout' pid='92544' dateline='1468514018'QuoteI also have 25 coins stuck at PCGS for over two months.
When were your coins received by PCGS ??
I'm not sure of the exact date, I submitted through a local dealer who received them on 22/04/2016 and forwarded them to PCGS on 12/05/2016. I got an update on 12/06/2016 "just playing the waiting game now".
I got another update yesterday 12/08/2016, "Just an update, still no word on results for that PCGS submission however on the plus side for their delay I'm now in negotiations for some complimentary gradings which I'll be able to pass on to those collectors affected."
EDIT: The PCGS dealer is now a member of this forum, Cockatoo Coins.
I did manage to get a number of complimentary modern gradings out of PCGS for their "issues" they have had recently, better than nothing I guess but yes 15 "Mechanical Errors" in one submission was a bit excessive and the 2 month and 2 week (and still going) waiting time for the economy submission is becoming a headache. Scares me to think how long the Error Submission i have with them is going to take, it went at the same time as the economy so maybe christmas :)
I was thinking that the mass submissions from old mate in Qld was causing these delays But I imagine that most of them would be done by now.
This marked increase in the amount of "Mechanical errors" is a bit of a worry and I think more so than the huge delays that are occurring as of late.
From what I can see the service and the quality of that service has turned to Mud over the last 6-9 months and doesn't seem to be on the improve at all.
I have 2 submissions that I posted last week ( which I am regretting doing already) on their way to PCGS and these will probably be the last that I will send until if or when they can get their act together again.
Until that time NGC will be getting my business.
After a nervous wait my 8 Gold coin submission has finally arrived at PCGS, This is the one I used my free submissions voucher for.
Lets see how long this one takes :angel:
As long as a bit of string :blink:
After coming into a large hoard of 1c and 2c coins, I'm contemplating whether it's worth sending the higher quality early coins to PCGS for grading and slabbing. I've never graded or slabbed any coins before, so I don't know what I don't know.
I'm curious as to whether it's worth it as per cost vs value. The only reason I'm even thinking about it is after seeing some slabbed 2c coins on Numisbid.
Does anyone have any experience slabbing 1c and/or 2c coins that they could share?
I also think the year and then the grade achieved is critical
I have a 1969 one cent roll and am not sure if it's worth cracking open and shipping off a few to them as well
I also have a bunch of 1974 one and two cents and I saw a PCGS 1974 2 cents MS66 RD for $100 - that is nice for a coin that you might only get one or two dollars for
Quote from: 'coxspau' pid='94997' dateline='1471577501'After coming into a large hoard of 1c and 2c coins, I'm contemplating whether it's worth sending the higher quality early coins to PCGS for grading and slabbing. I've never graded or slabbed any coins before, so I don't know what I don't know.
I'm curious as to whether it's worth it as per cost vs value. The only reason I'm even thinking about it is after seeing some slabbed 2c coins on Numisbid.
Does anyone have any experience slabbing 1c and/or 2c coins that they could share?
Maybe put some pic's up if you can and some of the graders might be able to help. Some things just aren't worth slabbing but other things like no SD are if they're in good condition and 68's are also a good year if in good condition.
No SDs and good condition 68s....maybe, but it's a long shot. I'll try and pop up some photos, but my skills in this area are poor. Some nice purple toning and odd shaped toning as well. Whole bunch of others just appear to be in good shape. Will see what I can do.
Don't worry I'm in the same boat and my pic's are pretty poor to say the least :friends: Different colours is a hard one as sometimes pcgs don't like our colours. Put some pic's up and see what happens, you might have a few gems hidden away :good:
Quote from: 'coxspau' pid='95009' dateline='1471583749'No SDs and good condition 68s....maybe, but it's a long shot. I'll try and pop up some photos, but my skills in this area are poor. Some nice purple toning and odd shaped toning as well. Whole bunch of others just appear to be in good shape. Will see what I can do.
you know what is hilarious????
after I replied to your post about coming into a heap of 1 & 2 cent pieces and I tried to help
AJ had the 68's the no SD suggestion
well, i thought Rob - you have a few hundred one and two cents yourself and I don't believe that I have looked through them for that little no SD thingee
so I pull them out this afternoon to have a looksee
i do believe that I have found 3 no SD's and two partial poorly struck sd's
how about that???
wonder how many I have sold not realising that the SD thingee wasn't on the coin ha ha (well maybe no so funny)
I'll post some pics soon as I am pretty darn excited
I looked on ebay as I don't know their values without the SD but only found two REALLY expensive PCGS ones - one even with w' a little spot of verdigris (in the slab)- but mine may have the dreaded PVC staining
Cheers !! glad I was interested in your post
Quotemine may have the dreaded PVC staining
Time to break out the acetone -might help but bronze coins not so much as copper/nickel I find.
oh
got a bottle of that crap
I'll have to ask the hubby to help - he's a scientist too and has in the past, handled acetone and other stuff a lot so it doesn't seem to bother him
i choke and gasp like an old hag at the back of the ladies lounge (seen a few of them in time as well ha ha)
Use a sealed container and do not sniff it (well you can but the deleterious health affects outway the 'high' I believe).
yeah I reckon the hubby doesn't do the sniff bit
whereas I'm sniff sniff - ohhhh i can't smell it but I can damn well feel it !!
It's just like fingernail polish remover RG.
except 500% time more nasty
Nail polish remove is about 99%+ acetone with just some perfume added to disguise the distinctive smell, which it doesn't really do very well. So it is just as nasty.
didn't know that but it explains why i have always used it in the backyard
See I wasn't leading you up the garden path RG :angel:
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='95022' dateline='1471595321'Quotemine may have the dreaded PVC staining
Time to break out the acetone -might help but bronze coins not so much as copper/nickel I find.
reckon it will take away any remaining lustre? my photos tend to take away any gloss that my coins have - often they are no where near as dull as my photos
could i just put half the coin in the acetone?
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/P8190229_-_Copy.JPG)
Quotecould i just put half the coin in the acetone?
If you could do that without exposing the other half to the fumes and without having the acetone evaporate it would be an interesting experiment. Then you could post a 'before and after' picture in one photo.
Cotton tips are your friend RG :)
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='95165' dateline='1471660751'Cotton tips are your friend RG :)
Roll don't drag
That's right Stevo :good:
oh fanks guys
yeah steve I always blot when i tidy up my coins
i kind of suspect it's not PVC but perhaps paper damage - like from a push in album and they may in fact not have any benefit from the acetone
will double check
just my PVC coins have a much darker looking blotches
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='95166' dateline='1471662534'Roll don't drag
aka don't inhale.
Quote from: 'r9453' pid='94277' dateline='1470945941'Quote from: 'r9453' pid='92547' dateline='1468520408'Quote from: 'trout' pid='92544' dateline='1468514018'QuoteI also have 25 coins stuck at PCGS for over two months.
When were your coins received by PCGS ??
I'm not sure of the exact date, I submitted through a local dealer who received them on 22/04/2016 and forwarded them to PCGS on 12/05/2016. I got an update on 12/06/2016 "just playing the waiting game now".
I got another update yesterday 12/08/2016, "Just an update, still no word on results for that PCGS submission however on the plus side for their delay I'm now in negotiations for some complimentary gradings which I'll be able to pass on to those collectors affected."
I was advised yesterday that my coins have been graded and shipped. :yahoo:
Incidentally, when filling out the submission form, in the case of coppers, what do you write in the column for PCGS Coin Number - do you make your own judgement as to what colour the coin is, eg. BN, RB or RD and write that number accordingly? The column is marked optional but I would not like to leave it blank, particular if the coin is a penny variety like a 1931 dropped 1 Indian (ha ha, I wish).
QuoteI was advised yesterday that my coins have been graded and shipped.
Finally :yahoo:
OK spill the beans, What are the cert #'s or how did they grade Mate :)
There is nothing to write home about, they are some of the raw coins I've been collecting since I joined the forum in 2013 - with a limited budget and lack of skill. My agent, Cockatoo Coins was very accurate with his assessment of the silver coins, the coppers he was on average one grade too optimistic. None of that mattered as I was happy with the result, if not the wait. I didn't even care about the details grade which neither of us picked up, I would not have sent it otherwise.
_1934 1/2d AU58BN http://www.pcgs.com/cert/81100984
_1939R 1/2d AU55BN http://www.pcgs.com/cert/81100985
_1941 1d AU55BN http://www.pcgs.com/cert/81100996
_1946 1d XF40BN http://www.pcgs.com/cert/81100989
_1947Y 1d AU58BN http://www.pcgs.com/cert/81100986
_1951Y 1d AU58BN http://www.pcgs.com/cert/81100987
_1956 2s MS61 http://www.pcgs.com/cert/81100982
_1957 2s MS63 http://www.pcgs.com/cert/81100981
_1958 2s MS64 http://www.pcgs.com/cert/81100983
_1942 3d XF45 http://www.pcgs.com/cert/81100993
_1942D 3d AU58 http://www.pcgs.com/cert/81100977
_1942S 3d MS64 http://www.pcgs.com/cert/81100976
_1959 3d MS64 http://www.pcgs.com/cert/81100980
_1939 6d AU55 http://www.pcgs.com/cert/81100991
_1942D 6d MS64 http://www.pcgs.com/cert/81100979
_1943S 6d AU58 http://www.pcgs.com/cert/81100988
_1948 6d AU55 http://www.pcgs.com/cert/81100994
_1952 6d AU50 http://www.pcgs.com/cert/81100978
_1953 6d Unc Details http://www.pcgs.com/cert/81100990
_1955 6d AU58 http://www.pcgs.com/cert/81100995
_1960 6d MS65 http://www.pcgs.com/cert/81100992
Not a bad lot of results Rob, it should boost your set register up :good:
thanks sharing Rnumbers
what a lovely bunch of coins
gee i reckon they were a bit harsh on your 51Y penny - it's a real beauty!
well done. they look so fancy all dressed up in the holders don't they?
A nice cross section of coins there Mate :good:
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='95977' dateline='1472425841'well done. they look so fancy all dressed up in the holders don't they?
Thanks robbie. Holders? What holders, they have to go to the dealer first and then he will send them on to me.
Despite the long delay with the first submission, I decided to go again, so I sent him another 25 coins this morning.
You bet they will boost my set registries AJ but I'm superstitious so I won't add them until I actually get the coins in my possession.
Yes I don't blame you as we all know how good auspost is at losing things :dodgy:
may I suggest that you do, if they do go "missing" in transit and someone trys to sell them then a buyer checks the cert out then they will find out that the coins are in your set registry and you might get them back.
just saying
Quote from: 'r9453' pid='96009' dateline='1472438719'Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='95977' dateline='1472425841'well done. they look so fancy all dressed up in the holders don't they?
Thanks robbie. Holders? What holders, they have to go to the dealer first and then he will send them on to me.
Despite the long delay with the first submission, I decided to go again, so I sent him another 25 coins this morning.
You bet they will boost my set registries AJ but I'm superstitious so I won't add them until I actually get the coins in my possession.
sorry, i call them coin holders - i don't like the word slab
not sure what pcgs call them
Quote from: 'serial' pid='96021' dateline='1472442927'may I suggest that you do, if they do go "missing" in transit and someone trys to sell them then a buyer checks the cert out then they will find out that the coins are in your set registry and you might get them back.
just saying
I think I thought of that but let it go through to the keeper. Nevertheless, your point is a good one. Although as far as PCGS is concerned possession is 100% - at least in regard to getting a set registry changed, all you have to do is send them a pic of the slab and they will change it.
At this stage my proof of ownership is mostly with the dealer who sent them to PCGS on my behalf. If they go missing I will start with him and ask for a letter. I'm not sure if PCGS would want to get involved with disputes over stolen or "found" coins.
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='95977' dateline='1472425841'gee i reckon they were a bit harsh on your 51Y penny - it's a real beauty!
I got that 1951Y penny from enworb.
I think holder is the correct term, slab is jargon.
Some average results just in but I'm still happy
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/results_1.jpg)
Yes not a bad result and a few red's so that's ok Stevo, well done mate :good:
Anybody think PCGS will grade this coin as it seems to have a weak strike area
on the top of the echidnas head including the spines
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/72a_28129.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/72a_28229.jpg)
Grease on the die?
Has this coin been sonically cleaned? It has that "Look" , Or is it just the images ?
Quote from: 'trout' pid='98070' dateline='1473992888'Has this coin been sonically cleaned? It has that "Look" , Or is it just the images ?
Doesnt look to be cleaned.It's probably just my crappy photos and it still being in
the 2x2 as well.Has the same look as ex roll coins of which I have handled quite
a few.It is also fully lustrous
No worries, Shame about the light strike/greaser though.
I'm pretty sure that Strike comes into play with grades MS66 and above with PCGS.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='98075' dateline='1473993752'No worries, Shame about the light strike/greaser though.
I'm pretty sure that Strike comes into play with grades MS66 and above with PCGS.
If it makes MS anything I'll be way in front at the price I paid
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='98077' dateline='1473993888'Quote from: 'trout' pid='98075' dateline='1473993752'No worries, Shame about the light strike/greaser though.
I'm pretty sure that Strike comes into play with grades MS66 and above with PCGS.
If it makes MS anything I'll be way in front at the price I paid
It has to be Minimum MS64 probably better :good:
Strike is not really an issue for anything up to and including MS66.
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='98098' dateline='1474018963'Strike is not really an issue for anything up to and including MS66.
I have my doubts that a poorly struck coin would get a MS66 grade at PCGS.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='98145' dateline='1474078156'Quote from: 'echidna' pid='98098' dateline='1474018963'Strike is not really an issue for anything up to and including MS66.
I have my doubts that a poorly struck coin would get a MS66 grade at PCGS.
I would have thought so too.
(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc462/joseywales10/31816445_800x600_zpsdzaqkcm5.jpg)
The reverse on that is a shokker as far as strike is concerned.
Completely flat star and "Advance Australia" and the scroll is very weak, The grass however looks pretty good and the obverse appears to be nicely struck up.
Definitely not a coin that I would pay MS66 money for :ok: