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Title: Test Match Florin
Post by: r9453 on August 26, 2013, 12:36:44 PM
I saw on another forum a reference to a 1954 commemorative florin as a "test match" florin, by a US collector no less. I can see why it might be called that but any comments would be interesting, I'm sure. :huh:

I found this Ebay listing (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1954-NGC-MS-64-POP-3-4-AUSTRALIA-silver-Florin-ROYAL-VISIT-CHOICE-BU-Coin-/390634789322?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item5af3a5d9ca), its a nice coin (NGC MS64):

(http://users.tpg.com.au/r9453//1954.Florin.xx.NGC.MS64%24230.Resized.png)

Great ceaser's ghost!, remember Perry White?
Title: RE: Test Match Florin
Post by: trout on August 26, 2013, 12:51:36 PM
I read them comments on CCF, I thought they were quite good.
The English lion and the Aussie Kangaroo matches the teams perfectly :good:

That NGC MS64 (PCGS MS63) coin is WAY overpriced :dash1:
Title: RE: Test Match Florin
Post by: r9453 on August 26, 2013, 01:02:16 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='26218' dateline='1377487296'That NGC MS64 (PCGS MS63) coin is WAY overpriced :dash1:

How about this one?  Sterling and Currency (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1954-FLORIN-ROYAL-VISIT-CHOICE-UNC-PCGS-MS-64-/130972268956?pt=AU_Coins2&hash=item1e7e8e399c) PCGS MS 64 $125

(http://users.tpg.com.au/r9453//1954.Florin.AC.PCGS.MS64%24125.Resized.png)
Title: RE: Test Match Florin
Post by: trout on August 26, 2013, 01:18:06 PM
QuoteHow about this one?  Sterling and Currency PCGS MS 64 $125

Still overpriced, less marks in the fields, softer strike. but that is one UGLY coin Yuk
Title: RE: Test Match Florin
Post by: r9453 on August 26, 2013, 01:27:36 PM
I don't think its ugly but imagine if the Lion and the Roo were facing each other, NZ haka style?
Title: RE: Test Match Florin
Post by: trout on August 26, 2013, 01:34:59 PM
Nah , They are just watching the Srilankans and the Indians play to see who they will be up against :)
Title: RE: Test Match Florin
Post by: markn on August 26, 2013, 01:50:01 PM
Here's an affordable example: http://www.drakesterling.com/coins-for-sale/products/1954-royal-visit-florin
Title: RE: Test Match Florin
Post by: trout on August 26, 2013, 01:52:31 PM
Quote from: 'markn' pid='26226' dateline='1377490801'Here's an affordable example: http://www.drakesterling.com/coins-for-sale/products/1954-royal-visit-florin

Nice example and a FAIR price :good:
Title: RE: Test Match Florin
Post by: r9453 on August 26, 2013, 01:53:59 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='26225' dateline='1377489899'Nah , They are just watching the Srilankans and the Indians play to see who they will be up against :)

1 South Africa 135

2 (+1) England 116 (+4)

3 (-1) India 116

4 (+1) Pakistan 102

5 (-1) Australia 101 (-4)

6 West Indies 99

7 Sri Lanka 88

8 New Zealand 79

9 Bangladesh 10
Title: RE: Test Match Florin
Post by: accumulator on August 26, 2013, 01:55:20 PM
Yeah but i've bought raw ch UNC coins for less than $10 each delivered & they do come up from time to time.
Title: RE: Test Match Florin
Post by: markn on August 26, 2013, 02:01:03 PM
Quote from: 'accumulator' pid='26230' dateline='1377491120'Yeah but i've bought raw ch UNC coins for less than $10 each delivered & they do come up from time to time.

They are not too hard to find in MS64 if you look.  That coin from Drake Sterling is really just $10 above coin plus slabbing costs.  It's decent value if you can't be bothered looking yourself.
Title: RE: Test Match Florin
Post by: r9453 on August 26, 2013, 02:14:46 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='26227' dateline='1377490951'Nice example and a FAIR price :good:

Bloody oath, I nearly bought it on the spot but its slabbed. I'm keen to collect coins, not slabs. If I can't touch it I won't touch it, so to speak.
Title: RE: Test Match Florin
Post by: accumulator on August 26, 2013, 02:17:01 PM
Quote from: 'markn' pid='26231' dateline='1377491463'
Quote from: 'accumulator' pid='26230' dateline='1377491120'Yeah but i've bought raw ch UNC coins for less than $10 each delivered & they do come up from time to time.

They are not too hard to find in MS64 if you look.  That coin from Drake Sterling is really just $10 above coin plus slabbing costs.  It's decent value if you can't be bothered looking yourself.

:agreed: Yeah your right Mark !:good:
Title: RE: Test Match Florin
Post by: trout on August 26, 2013, 02:19:10 PM
Quote from: 'r9453' pid='26232' dateline='1377492286'
Quote from: 'trout' pid='26227' dateline='1377490951'Nice example and a FAIR price :good:

Bloody oath, I nearly bought it on the spot but its slabbed. I'm keen to collect coins, not slabs. If I can't touch it I won't touch it, so to speak.

I said it was a fair price for the coin, the slab will just protect it in the mail until you free it :diablo:
I always look at the coin and not the slab and buy accordingly, I can crack out a coin in less than 30 seconds :dance2:
Title: RE: Test Match Florin
Post by: r9453 on August 26, 2013, 02:22:13 PM
Quote from: 'markn' pid='26231' dateline='1377491463'That coin from Drake Sterling is really just $10 above coin plus slabbing costs.  It's decent value if you can't be bothered looking yourself.

Yes, I agree but at this stage I don't wan't to pay for slabbing, maybe in the future but not now. :imnewhere:
Title: RE: Test Match Florin
Post by: markn on August 26, 2013, 02:42:13 PM
Quote from: 'r9453' pid='26235' dateline='1377492733'Yes, I agree but at this stage I don't wan't to pay for slabbing, maybe in the future but not now. :imnewhere:

If you're new to collecting coins like this and new to grading then I strongly advise you either take the plunge and purchase a few slabbed coins as teaching aids OR go out of your way to examine some slabbed coins in hand.  They will give you a great idea of what quality of coin to look for and will help stop you from wasting your money.  

It's amazing how often the "UNC" coins new collectors accumulate early on end up being cleaned or EF coins once they've had a bit of an education. I number myself among collectors who have done this.  So many of my early coins have ended up in my scrap silver hoard. It seems to me that $45 for an MS63 is only two or three "UNC" raw coins that turn out to be bullion grade rubbish later on.  If you want your first slabbed UNC coin for less than $45 PM PPH, I am sure she can dig something up for you.
Title: RE: Test Match Florin
Post by: trout on August 26, 2013, 03:09:48 PM
As much as I hate slabbed coins I have to agree with Markn.
weather you keep them in the slabs of put them in saflips/2x2's (as long as you keep that slip of paper the grade is on ) They ARE invaluable  as a gauge to the grades of your other coins.
You would be surprised at how cheap some slabbed coins are , as long as you don't go for the high MS coins.

All you do is put the graded coin alongside a coin you are looking at and decide if it is worse, Better or the same grade as the slabbed coin, That way your grading can only be more accurate when you are first starting to learn how to grade with any sort of accuracy :ok:
Title: RE: Test Match Florin
Post by: r9453 on August 26, 2013, 05:30:52 PM
Quote from: 'markn' pid='26236' dateline='1377493933'
Quote from: 'r9453' pid='26235' dateline='1377492733'Yes, I agree but at this stage I don't wan't to pay for slabbing, maybe in the future but not now. :imnewhere:

If you're new to collecting coins like this and new to grading then I strongly advise you either take the plunge and purchase a few slabbed coins as teaching aids OR go out of your way to examine some slabbed coins in hand.  They will give you a great idea of what quality of coin to look for and will help stop you from wasting your money.  

Thank you for your considered response. Yep, I'm green as grass, but I'm not interested in buying slabs. I'd much prefer to buy coins.
:focus:
Title: RE: Test Match Florin
Post by: trout on August 26, 2013, 05:34:49 PM
QuoteThank you for your considered response. Yep, I'm green as grass, but I'm not interested in buying slabs. I'd much prefer to buy coins.
Focus

Next time Enwarb has an ebay sale get a couple of his coins, They are pretty spot on grades and they are in 2x2's or saflips :ok:
Title: RE: Test Match Florin
Post by: enworb on August 26, 2013, 05:35:12 PM
Some slabbed UNC threepences can be had for as little as $10. I would join in those recommending you buy a few for education at the very least.
Title: RE: Test Match Florin
Post by: r9453 on August 26, 2013, 05:38:08 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='26259' dateline='1377504289'Next time Enwarb has an ebay sale get a couple of his coins, They are pretty spot on grades and they are in 2x2's or saflips :ok:

I'm onto that llke a seagull chasing  a chip.
Title: RE: Test Match Florin
Post by: Fordprefect on August 26, 2013, 05:57:19 PM
I'm "Old School" but you can't ignore "The Slab"
It's not going to go away.
Below a MS63 '59 Florin Versus a aUnc (My Grading)
My coin is a higher grade than the slab job
I'm "Robbing" myself.
Collect the coin, Yes but make yourself aware
of the current trend to maximise your collection.
(http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv160/ford_prefect/Australian%20Coin%20Forum/PCGS_v_RAW59Florin_zps2b526033.jpg)
Title: RE: Test Match Florin
Post by: trout on August 26, 2013, 06:13:07 PM
QuoteI'm "Old School" but you can't ignore "The Slab"
 It's not going to go away.
 Below a MS63 '59 Florin Versus a aUnc (My Grading)
 My coin is a higher grade than the slab job

HeHe I did that with my Canberra florins,I bought an AU58 and a MS62 PCGS graded coins.
I had to go through the whole lot of them :dash1:
Title: RE: Test Match Florin
Post by: Goldseeker on August 26, 2013, 07:41:55 PM
Comment removed by the author.   (I had misread the topic title).
Title: RE: Test Match Florin
Post by: trout on August 26, 2013, 07:48:28 PM
QuoteCan we get back on topic please before the moderators have a go at us.......

nobody is being nasty and everyone is learning and sharing ideas with this and having some fun doing it :ok:
So Good idea.
can the OP please rename this thread, Please :)