I have had in my money box for as long as I can remember
Quote from: 'lacey' pid='25391' dateline='1376805747'I have had in my money box for as long as I can remember
Size and weight would help :ok:
it weighs 4g and exactly to same size as a 5c coin
Quote from: 'lacey' pid='25393' dateline='1376806381'it weighs 4g and exactly to same size as a 5c coin
Is it slightly smaller than a 5cent coin?
No, it's actually a wee bit bigger
If it was a half sovereign it would be about 1/2mm smaller than a 5 cent but
the weight is about right
Quote from: 'lacey' pid='25395' dateline='1376807258'No, it's actually a wee bit bigger
Oh Dear, Specs for a 1915 1/2 sov are;
19mm 3,9940g
The Specs for a 5 cent coin are;
19.41mm 2.83g
Your coin appears to have the correct weight (allowing for the scale used)
But it seems to be oversized :ok:
I am NOT an expert with these coins in any way, I am just going off the specs for the coins. :ok:
Quote from: 'lacey' pid='25391' dateline='1376805747'I have had in my money box for as long as I can remember
Who keeps gold coins in their moneybox anyway? :dodgy:
http://www.goldsovereigns.co.uk/sydneymintaustralia.html may help.
OK thanks guys
I did. same as I kept pennies in there since I was a kid. About **** many years ago :-)
I found a 1955 mule penny too. Better than the one i bought
I'm no expert at grading, but it looks like bullion value to me.. so if its gold, it doesn't matter if its real or fake.
And speaking of fakes.. http://www.goldsovereigns.co.uk/fakes.html
is has an 'S' on it for the MM. What a shame. Never destined to be rich.
Quote from: 'lacey' pid='25400' dateline='1376808026'I did. same as I kept pennies in there since I was a kid. About **** many years ago :-)
I found a 1955 mule penny too. Better than the one i bought
Starting to sound a bit like the TARDIS handbag. ;)
My grandfather found this 'sov' many years ago. Edwards VII / 1901.
(http://i44.tinypic.com/291ertx.jpg) (http://i40.tinypic.com/24llv1d.jpg)
Quote from: 'lacey' pid='25391' dateline='1376805747'I have had in my money box for as long as I can remember
It's real.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='25397' dateline='1376807633'Quote from: 'lacey' pid='25395' dateline='1376807258'No, it's actually a wee bit bigger
Oh Dear, Specs for a 1915 1/2 sov are;
19mm 3,9940g
The Specs for a 5 cent coin are;
19.41mm 2.83g
Your coin appears to have the correct weight (allowing for the scale used)
But it seems to be oversized :ok:
I am NOT an expert with these coins in any way, I am just going off the specs for the coins. :ok:
I suspect McD rounded the 1/2 sov size down because half sovereigns certainly aren't smaller than 5c pieces.
Walter has spoken!
Lacey, you should be very happy now.
Are you serious Walter?
I might have a heart attack.
Quote from: 'czark' pid='25407' dateline='1376809398'My grandfather found this 'sov' many years ago. Edwards VII / 1901.
(http://i44.tinypic.com/291ertx.jpg) (http://i40.tinypic.com/24llv1d.jpg)
His head is going the other way to mine.
QuoteIt's real.
AWSOME ,good news :yahoo:
QuoteHis head is going the other way to mine.
Different King :ok:
ok good news but I won't get rich from it. Still fun to know it's my 1st and prolly last sov
Quote from: 'lacey' pid='25423' dateline='1376819687'ok good news but I won't get rich from it. Still fun to know it's my 1st and prolly last sov
No collector "Gets rich" from collecting coins Mate.
But don't let fear get in the way of getting more Sovs , They are "Special" IMHO :ok:
That 1901 Sov is a jewelers copy, not authentic.
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='25427' dateline='1376821346'That 1901 Sov is a jewelers copy, not authentic.
Bejesus these things are "Hard" for us newbies with sovs :dash1:
Thank the Gods I have only bought mine off reputable people :good:
Looks like your brother will have a regular customer Walter :yahoo:
Quote from: 'lacey' pid='25391' dateline='1376805747'I have had in my money box for as long as I can remember
Is it upset or is that just how you took the picture?
good on you Lacey
a little money box treasure
probably belonged to one of your grandparents - as well they were often bought as a gift for children when they were christened - tied in a little handkerchief and pinned to the gown - something like that, for prosperity
I have a lovely Q. Vic. shilling that has been honed and engraved on one side, holed with ribbon threaded through to tie to a child's garment.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='25429' dateline='1376821874'Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='25427' dateline='1376821346'That 1901 Sov is a jewelers copy, not authentic.
Bejesus these things are "Hard" for us newbies with sovs :dash1:
Thank the Gods I have only bought mine off reputable people :good:
Looks like your brother will have a regular customer Walter :yahoo:
Actually the 1901 was pretty easy, although King Edward VII acceded the through in 1901, sovereigns struck in 1901 bore the portrait of Queen Victoria.
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='25433' dateline='1376823937'Quote from: 'trout' pid='25429' dateline='1376821874'Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='25427' dateline='1376821346'That 1901 Sov is a jewelers copy, not authentic.
Bejesus these things are "Hard" for us newbies with sovs :dash1:
Thank the Gods I have only bought mine off reputable people :good:
Looks like your brother will have a regular customer Walter :yahoo:
Actually the 1901 was pretty easy, although King Edward VII acceded the through in 1901, sovereigns struck in 1901 bore the portrait of Queen Victoria.
Cheers Walter :good:
It would have fooled me for a while :blush:
my coin dealer has always said that Walter (& Eric) knows his/their gold coins
read odd
fixed it (me thinks) ha ha
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='25435' dateline='1376824503'my coin dealer has always said that Walter (& Eric) knows his gold coins & that has been for many years now
:agreed::good:
bad luck czark. I could give you mine but I can't.
Maybe it was Robbie and I just don't know it, lol.
So if granny gave this to me, were they still in use back then, (without giving you a date)? How much were these worth in 1915.
All other pennies and whatever, I found on the ground. I was shorter in those days and had a good eye, 2 actually.
Quote from: 'Mister T' pid='25431' dateline='1376823553'Quote from: 'lacey' pid='25391' dateline='1376805747'I have had in my money box for as long as I can remember
Is it upset or is that just how you took the picture?
I just scanned it and no it's not upset. Not as much as me anyway, lol
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='25433' dateline='1376823937'Quote from: 'trout' pid='25429' dateline='1376821874'Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='25427' dateline='1376821346'That 1901 Sov is a jewelers copy, not authentic.
Actually the 1901 was pretty easy, although King Edward VII acceded the through in 1901, sovereigns struck in 1901 bore the portrait of Queen Victoria.
Yep, when I first got it I was fooled. I didn't have maccas at the time either.
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Nice find Lacey!
Quote from: 'czark' pid='25440' dateline='1376827121'Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='25433' dateline='1376823937'Quote from: 'trout' pid='25429' dateline='1376821874'Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='25427' dateline='1376821346'That 1901 Sov is a jewelers copy, not authentic.
Actually the 1901 was pretty easy, although King Edward VII acceded the through in 1901, sovereigns struck in 1901 bore the portrait of Queen Victoria.
Yep, when I first got it I was fooled. I didn't have maccas at the time either.
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Nice find Lacey!
No drama Mate , being a jewellers copy it should still be 22 carat gold , It still has value Mate :good:
Quote from: 'lacey' pid='25438' dateline='1376825765'So if granny gave this to me, were they still in use back then, (without giving you a date)? How much were these worth in 1915.
20 shillings. Or 1 pound
FAKE/COUNTERFEITS/COPIES call it what you want as far as I'm concerned this is fraud
Quote from: 'runway' pid='25452' dateline='1376831080'FAKE/COUNTERFEITS/COPIES call it what you want as far as I'm concerned this is fraud
Not if they're gold, and the coin is only worth bullion, which the majority are. Gold is gold, makes no difference what the shape is.
Of course, if they're
NOT gold, its a different story.. though the gold-plated platinum fakes are worth more than the real thing. :)
Hi, just going back on what Trout said about if it were a jewellers copy it still should be 22k. I have to disagree mate, I have done some gold jewellery buying and selling and so, so, so many items hallmarked are below the carat that has been marked on the item. eg. 22k marked piece tests as 18k.... or 9k testing as low as 5k.
No offence if any of you good people are jewellers but there are/have been some real rip off merchants out there. Anyone can stamp a piece with whatever they like and most people believe "it must be 18k because its marked on there."
The main reason I got out of gold buying & selling was due to the huge amount of fake and under carat stuff out there. They hurt a small business working on large turnover/low margins. (Not every piece can always be acid tested)
If ever the new type XRF guns become affordable I would consider the gold business again. The big buyers are using them now.
...so , as in coins ...its buyer beware.
cheers
Thanks Mr Blacksheep. It is a shame there are people in the world who are always out to rip ppl off.
I guess I was one of the naive who believed gold standards could be trusted. I knew two jewellers when I was a kid, one of whom made the Melbourne Cups each year (the one they give to the winner). Spent many hours hanging around the workshop watching how the magic was done, and I never saw anything dodgy. Guess I assumed that was the norm.... wrong again, eh? :(
Can compare your coin with this choice example:
http://www.sterlingcurrency.com.au/items/gold-half-sovereign-1915-sydney-mint-choice-unc-ms-63.
Looks a pretty damn fair copy to me, but an expert might differ :-)
Should definitely be 19mm diam though. If it is real gold, even if it is a fake, it's still worth around the $200 mark.
Fake counterfeit call it what you want but anything as such is fraud regardless of bullion value
Quote from: 'runway' pid='25750' dateline='1377086735'Fake counterfeit call it what you want but anything as such is fraud regardless of bullion value
Fraud is a pretty specific term. I think I disagree with your generalisation.