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Title: Is this a fake?
Post by: lacey on August 18, 2013, 03:32:27 PM
I have had in my money box for as long as I can remember
Title: RE: Is this a fake?
Post by: trout on August 18, 2013, 03:39:52 PM
Quote from: 'lacey' pid='25391' dateline='1376805747'I have had in my money box for as long as I can remember

Size and weight would help :ok:
Title: RE: Is this a fake?
Post by: lacey on August 18, 2013, 03:43:01 PM
it weighs 4g and exactly to same size as a 5c coin
Title: RE: Is this a fake?
Post by: trout on August 18, 2013, 03:47:33 PM
Quote from: 'lacey' pid='25393' dateline='1376806381'it weighs 4g and exactly to same size as a 5c coin

Is it slightly smaller than a 5cent coin?
Title: RE: Is this a fake?
Post by: lacey on August 18, 2013, 03:57:38 PM
No, it's actually a wee bit bigger
Title: RE: Is this a fake?
Post by: stevo1962 on August 18, 2013, 04:02:22 PM
If it was a half sovereign it would be about 1/2mm smaller than a 5 cent but
the weight is about right
Title: RE: Is this a fake?
Post by: trout on August 18, 2013, 04:03:53 PM
Quote from: 'lacey' pid='25395' dateline='1376807258'No, it's actually a wee bit bigger

Oh Dear, Specs for a 1915 1/2 sov are;
19mm 3,9940g
The Specs for a 5 cent coin are;
19.41mm 2.83g

Your coin appears to have  the correct weight (allowing for the scale used)
But it seems to be oversized :ok:
I am NOT an expert with these coins in any way, I am just going off the specs for the coins. :ok:
Title: RE: Is this a fake?
Post by: Fulvio on August 18, 2013, 04:10:18 PM
Quote from: 'lacey' pid='25391' dateline='1376805747'I have had in my money box for as long as I can remember

Who keeps gold coins in their moneybox anyway? :dodgy:

http://www.goldsovereigns.co.uk/sydneymintaustralia.html may help.
Title: RE: Is this a fake?
Post by: lacey on August 18, 2013, 04:10:26 PM
OK thanks guys

I did. same as I kept pennies in there since I was a kid.  About ****  many years ago :-)

I found a 1955 mule penny too. Better than the one i bought
Title: RE: Is this a fake?
Post by: Fulvio on August 18, 2013, 04:12:50 PM
I'm no expert at grading, but it looks like bullion value to me.. so if its gold, it doesn't matter if its real or fake.

And speaking of fakes.. http://www.goldsovereigns.co.uk/fakes.html
Title: RE: Is this a fake?
Post by: lacey on August 18, 2013, 04:13:51 PM
is has an 'S' on it for the MM.  What a shame.  Never destined to be rich.
Title: RE: Is this a fake?
Post by: Fulvio on August 18, 2013, 04:18:50 PM
Quote from: 'lacey' pid='25400' dateline='1376808026'I did. same as I kept pennies in there since I was a kid.  About ****  many years ago :-)

I found a 1955 mule penny too. Better than the one i bought

Starting to sound a bit like the TARDIS handbag. ;)
Title: RE: Is this a fake?
Post by: czark on August 18, 2013, 04:33:18 PM
My grandfather found this 'sov' many years ago. Edwards VII / 1901.

(http://i44.tinypic.com/291ertx.jpg) (http://i40.tinypic.com/24llv1d.jpg)
Title: RE: Is this a fake?
Post by: wwwww on August 18, 2013, 05:28:22 PM
Quote from: 'lacey' pid='25391' dateline='1376805747'I have had in my money box for as long as I can remember

It's real.

Quote from: 'trout' pid='25397' dateline='1376807633'
Quote from: 'lacey' pid='25395' dateline='1376807258'No, it's actually a wee bit bigger

Oh Dear, Specs for a 1915 1/2 sov are;
19mm 3,9940g
The Specs for a 5 cent coin are;
19.41mm 2.83g

Your coin appears to have  the correct weight (allowing for the scale used)
But it seems to be oversized :ok:
I am NOT an expert with these coins in any way, I am just going off the specs for the coins. :ok:

I suspect McD rounded the 1/2 sov size down because half sovereigns certainly aren't smaller than 5c pieces.
Title: RE: Is this a fake?
Post by: JeffH on August 18, 2013, 05:58:45 PM
Walter has spoken!

Lacey, you should be very happy now.
Title: RE: Is this a fake?
Post by: lacey on August 18, 2013, 06:01:16 PM
Are you serious Walter?

I might have a heart attack.

Quote from: 'czark' pid='25407' dateline='1376809398'My grandfather found this 'sov' many years ago. Edwards VII / 1901.

(http://i44.tinypic.com/291ertx.jpg) (http://i40.tinypic.com/24llv1d.jpg)

His head is going the other way to mine.
Title: RE: Is this a fake?
Post by: trout on August 18, 2013, 06:58:16 PM
QuoteIt's real.
AWSOME ,good news :yahoo:

QuoteHis head is going the other way to mine.
Different King :ok:
Title: RE: Is this a fake?
Post by: lacey on August 18, 2013, 07:24:47 PM
ok good news but I won't get rich from it.  Still fun to know it's my 1st and prolly last sov
Title: RE: Is this a fake?
Post by: trout on August 18, 2013, 07:31:04 PM
Quote from: 'lacey' pid='25423' dateline='1376819687'ok good news but I won't get rich from it.  Still fun to know it's my 1st and prolly last sov

No collector "Gets rich" from collecting coins Mate.
But don't let fear get in the way of getting more Sovs , They are "Special" IMHO :ok:
Title: RE: Is this a fake?
Post by: wwwww on August 18, 2013, 07:52:26 PM
That 1901 Sov is a jewelers copy, not authentic.
Title: RE: Is this a fake?
Post by: trout on August 18, 2013, 08:01:14 PM
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='25427' dateline='1376821346'That 1901 Sov is a jewelers copy, not authentic.

Bejesus these things are "Hard" for us newbies with sovs :dash1:
Thank the Gods I have only bought mine off reputable people :good:
Looks like your brother will have a regular customer Walter :yahoo:
Title: RE: Is this a fake?
Post by: Mister T on August 18, 2013, 08:29:13 PM
Quote from: 'lacey' pid='25391' dateline='1376805747'I have had in my money box for as long as I can remember

Is it upset or is that just how you took the picture?
Title: RE: Is this a fake?
Post by: robbiegal on August 18, 2013, 08:29:16 PM
good on you Lacey
a little money box treasure

probably belonged to one of your grandparents - as well they were often bought as a gift for children when they were christened - tied in a little handkerchief and pinned to the gown - something like that, for prosperity

I have a lovely Q. Vic. shilling that has been honed and engraved on one side, holed with ribbon threaded through to tie to a child's garment.
Title: RE: Is this a fake?
Post by: wwwww on August 18, 2013, 08:35:37 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='25429' dateline='1376821874'
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='25427' dateline='1376821346'That 1901 Sov is a jewelers copy, not authentic.

Bejesus these things are "Hard" for us newbies with sovs :dash1:
Thank the Gods I have only bought mine off reputable people :good:
Looks like your brother will have a regular customer Walter :yahoo:

Actually the 1901 was pretty easy, although King Edward VII acceded the through in 1901, sovereigns struck in 1901 bore the portrait of Queen Victoria.
Title: RE: Is this a fake?
Post by: trout on August 18, 2013, 08:37:22 PM
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='25433' dateline='1376823937'
Quote from: 'trout' pid='25429' dateline='1376821874'
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='25427' dateline='1376821346'That 1901 Sov is a jewelers copy, not authentic.

Bejesus these things are "Hard" for us newbies with sovs :dash1:
Thank the Gods I have only bought mine off reputable people :good:
Looks like your brother will have a regular customer Walter :yahoo:

Actually the 1901 was pretty easy, although King Edward VII acceded the through in 1901, sovereigns struck in 1901 bore the portrait of Queen Victoria.

Cheers Walter :good:
It would have fooled me for a while :blush:
Title: RE: Is this a fake?
Post by: robbiegal on August 18, 2013, 08:45:03 PM
my coin dealer has always said that Walter (& Eric) knows his/their gold coins


read odd
fixed it (me thinks) ha ha
Title: RE: Is this a fake?
Post by: trout on August 18, 2013, 08:48:28 PM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='25435' dateline='1376824503'my coin dealer has always said that Walter (& Eric) knows his gold coins & that has been for many years now

:agreed::good:
Title: RE: Is this a fake?
Post by: lacey on August 18, 2013, 09:06:05 PM
bad luck czark.  I could give you mine but I can't.

Maybe it was Robbie and I just don't know it, lol.

So if granny gave this to me, were they still in use back then, (without giving you a date)?  How much were these worth in 1915.

All other pennies and whatever, I found on the ground.  I was shorter in those days and had a good eye, 2 actually.

Quote from: 'Mister T' pid='25431' dateline='1376823553'
Quote from: 'lacey' pid='25391' dateline='1376805747'I have had in my money box for as long as I can remember

Is it upset or is that just how you took the picture?

I just scanned it and no it's not upset.  Not as much as me anyway, lol
Title: RE: Is this a fake?
Post by: czark on August 18, 2013, 09:28:41 PM
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='25433' dateline='1376823937'
Quote from: 'trout' pid='25429' dateline='1376821874'
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='25427' dateline='1376821346'That 1901 Sov is a jewelers copy, not authentic.

Actually the 1901 was pretty easy, although King Edward VII acceded the through in 1901, sovereigns struck in 1901 bore the portrait of Queen Victoria.

Yep, when I first got it I was fooled. I didn't have maccas at the time either.
___

Nice find Lacey!
Title: RE: Is this a fake?
Post by: trout on August 18, 2013, 09:35:05 PM
Quote from: 'czark' pid='25440' dateline='1376827121'
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='25433' dateline='1376823937'
Quote from: 'trout' pid='25429' dateline='1376821874'
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='25427' dateline='1376821346'That 1901 Sov is a jewelers copy, not authentic.

Actually the 1901 was pretty easy, although King Edward VII acceded the through in 1901, sovereigns struck in 1901 bore the portrait of Queen Victoria.

Yep, when I first got it I was fooled. I didn't have maccas at the time either.
___

Nice find Lacey!

No drama Mate , being  a jewellers copy it should still be 22 carat gold , It still has value Mate :good:
Title: RE: Is this a fake?
Post by: Fr45h3R on August 18, 2013, 10:23:53 PM
Quote from: 'lacey' pid='25438' dateline='1376825765'So if granny gave this to me, were they still in use back then, (without giving you a date)?  How much were these worth in 1915.

20 shillings. Or 1 pound
Title: RE: Is this a fake?
Post by: runway on August 18, 2013, 10:34:40 PM
FAKE/COUNTERFEITS/COPIES call it what you want as far as I'm concerned this is fraud
Title: RE: Is this a fake?
Post by: Fulvio on August 19, 2013, 12:22:29 AM
Quote from: 'runway' pid='25452' dateline='1376831080'FAKE/COUNTERFEITS/COPIES call it what you want as far as I'm concerned this is fraud

Not if they're gold, and the coin is only worth bullion, which the majority are. Gold is gold, makes no difference what the shape is.

Of course, if they're NOT gold, its a different story.. though the gold-plated platinum fakes are worth more than the real thing. :)
Title: RE: Is this a fake?
Post by: black sheep on August 21, 2013, 11:09:59 AM
Hi, just going back on what Trout said about if it were a jewellers copy it still should be 22k. I have to disagree mate, I have done some gold jewellery buying and selling and so, so, so many items hallmarked are below the carat that has been marked on the item. eg. 22k marked piece tests as 18k.... or 9k testing as low as 5k.

No offence if any of you good people are jewellers but there are/have been some real rip off merchants out there. Anyone can stamp a piece with whatever they like and most people believe "it must be 18k because its marked on there."
The main reason I got out of gold buying & selling was due to the huge amount of fake and under carat stuff out there. They hurt a small business working on large turnover/low margins. (Not every piece can always be acid tested)
If ever the new type XRF guns become affordable I would consider the gold business again. The big buyers are using them now.
...so , as in coins ...its buyer beware.
cheers
Title: RE: Is this a fake?
Post by: lacey on August 21, 2013, 12:43:29 PM
Thanks Mr Blacksheep.  It is a shame there are people in the world who are always out to rip ppl off.
Title: RE: Is this a fake?
Post by: Fulvio on August 21, 2013, 04:20:42 PM
I guess I was one of the naive who believed gold standards could be trusted. I knew two jewellers when I was a kid, one of whom made the Melbourne Cups each year (the one they give to the winner). Spent many hours hanging around the workshop watching how the magic was done, and I never saw anything dodgy. Guess I assumed that was the norm.... wrong again, eh? :(
Title: RE: Is this a fake?
Post by: Bob_PNS on August 21, 2013, 07:16:16 PM
Can compare your coin with this choice example:
http://www.sterlingcurrency.com.au/items/gold-half-sovereign-1915-sydney-mint-choice-unc-ms-63.

Looks a pretty damn fair copy to me, but an expert might differ :-)

Should definitely be 19mm diam though. If it is real gold, even if it is a fake, it's still worth around the $200 mark.
Title: RE: Is this a fake?
Post by: runway on August 21, 2013, 09:35:35 PM
Fake counterfeit call it what you want but anything as such is fraud regardless of bullion value
Title: RE: Is this a fake?
Post by: Fulvio on August 21, 2013, 10:08:50 PM
Quote from: 'runway' pid='25750' dateline='1377086735'Fake counterfeit call it what you want but anything as such is fraud regardless of bullion value

Fraud is a pretty specific term. I think I disagree with your generalisation.