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Numismatic Discussion => Coin Chit Chat => Topic started by: stevo1962 on August 17, 2013, 10:00:32 AM

Title: UNC INCUSED 50 CENT VALUE
Post by: stevo1962 on August 17, 2013, 10:00:32 AM
I've been offered this coin for $200.Is this a good price as there doesn't seem to be too many references as to the value of these in
higher grade.Thanks in advance for any help

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Title: RE: UNC INCUSED 50 CENT VALUE
Post by: robbiegal on August 17, 2013, 10:15:35 AM
your pics or the sellers? steve
are you selling or buying?
 
the actual variety (i.e. the flag union jack)  is not photographed with an semblance of clarity
Title: RE: UNC INCUSED 50 CENT VALUE
Post by: stevo1962 on August 17, 2013, 10:17:32 AM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='25234' dateline='1376700335'your pics or the sellers? steve
are you selling or buying?
 
the actual variety (i.e. the flag union jack)  is not photographed with an semblance of clarity

Sellers photos and he wants $200 for the coin
Title: RE: UNC INCUSED 50 CENT VALUE
Post by: trout on August 17, 2013, 10:18:36 AM
Very hard to tell from those pic's steve.
Looks like a baggy MS coin from what I can see of it.
Bashed up examples of these sell on eBay for $30-$40 and EF coins normally go for $50- $80.
I don't recall seeing an true MS coin listed yet so I have NO idea of the eBay  value.
There is also no reference to the incused coin on Blue sheet either.
Greg McDonalds book however lists it as;
UNC $160
Ch UNC $200

A fair offer on this coin would be $120-$140 (Nobody pays book price)

Just my thoughts Mate, I have been wrong before so I may be wrong with this assumption.
But I doubt it :diablo:  :)
Title: RE: UNC INCUSED 50 CENT VALUE
Post by: stevo1962 on August 17, 2013, 10:31:51 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='25236' dateline='1376700516'Very hard to tell from those pic's steve.
Looks like a baggy MS coin from what I can see of it.
Bashed up examples of these sell on eBay for $30-$40 and EF coins normally go for $50- $80.
I don't recall seeing an true MS coin listed yet so I have NO idea of the eBay  value.
There is also no reference to the incused coin on Blue sheet either.
Greg McDonalds book however lists it as;
UNC $160
Ch UNC $200

A fair offer on this coin would be $120-$140 (Nobody pays book price)

Just my thoughts Mate, I have been wrong before so I may be wrong with this assumption.
But I doubt it :diablo:  :)

Thanks for that mate,I don't think this one is choice but I have asked for some more photos.I was thinking that if this is MS60-62 it still may be worth snapping up for $200 as they are so scarce in UNC and I think that will be a bargain price in the years to come
Title: RE: UNC INCUSED 50 CENT VALUE
Post by: Fr45h3R on August 17, 2013, 10:37:28 AM
These coins have a special 'angle' that makes them look better than they are.
Get a top down pic. No angles and make a decision from that.
Title: RE: UNC INCUSED 50 CENT VALUE
Post by: trout on August 17, 2013, 10:43:17 AM
QuoteThanks for that mate,I don't think this one is choice but I have asked for some more photos.I was thinking that if this is MS60-62 it still may be worth snapping up for $200 as they are so scarce in UNC and I think that will be a bargain price in the years to come

Don't go near this unless you have some better pic's or can see it "in hand".
I bought one that looked great in the same "Side on" pics and it turned out to be an EF coin :dash1:
Ask for a scan and a front on set of pic's before you commit, It's only a couple of hundred bucks but why waste it on a possibly $50 coin.
Due Diligence is required when buying high grade cupro/nickel coins :ok:
Title: RE: UNC INCUSED 50 CENT VALUE
Post by: stevo1962 on August 17, 2013, 10:46:25 AM
Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='25239' dateline='1376701648'These coins have a special 'angle' that makes them look better than they are.
Get a top down pic. No angles and make a decision from that.
Yeah thanks Rob I've asked for photos from above so I can see all of the detail.This one seems to have the queens hair chatter  (looks like PMD but many of them have it) so I'll need to see that up close as well
Title: RE: UNC INCUSED 50 CENT VALUE
Post by: markn on August 17, 2013, 10:47:15 AM
I couldn't grade it from those images.  I wouldn't offer more than $100 due to the risk involved.
Title: RE: UNC INCUSED 50 CENT VALUE
Post by: jozk123 on August 17, 2013, 10:58:25 AM
(http://i41.tinypic.com/4rcgbc.jpg)
I bought this 4-5 years ago? Unc $150 How time flies  
Once again sorry for quality of photos IPhone
Title: RE: UNC INCUSED 50 CENT VALUE
Post by: purplepennyhunter on August 17, 2013, 11:05:16 AM
This is Mark's PCGS MS64 although it isn't labelled as incuse, just a regular millenium. It cost about $300 graded but I would suggest it could go for a lot more at auction today.
(http://www.timeclockmts.com/coins/australia-2000-50c-incuse-pcgs-ms64.jpg)
Title: RE: UNC INCUSED 50 CENT VALUE
Post by: robbiegal on August 17, 2013, 11:23:54 AM
Quote from: 'jozk123' pid='25243' dateline='1376702905'(http://i41.tinypic.com/4rcgbc.jpg)
I bought this 4-5 years ago? Unc $150 How time flies  
Once again sorry for quality of photos IPhone

looks very nice
Title: RE: UNC INCUSED 50 CENT VALUE
Post by: stevo1962 on August 17, 2013, 11:29:03 AM
Got some better photos and now I'm not sure that it's uncirculated.I told the seller that I thought it would only grade aUNC because of the
scratches and dings on the obverse

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Title: RE: UNC INCUSED 50 CENT VALUE
Post by: enworb on August 17, 2013, 11:40:34 AM
Theres no way id be paying $200 for that coin from any of those pictures.
Title: RE: UNC INCUSED 50 CENT VALUE
Post by: markn on August 17, 2013, 11:42:55 AM
Quote from: 'enworb' pid='25249' dateline='1376705434'Theres no way id be paying $200 for that coin from any of those pictures.

Me either.
Title: RE: UNC INCUSED 50 CENT VALUE
Post by: stevo1962 on August 17, 2013, 11:43:55 AM
Quote from: 'enworb' pid='25249' dateline='1376705434'Theres no way id be paying $200 for that coin from any of those pictures.

I know Matty ,the guy told me that he'd had an offer of $170 so I told him to take it,I bought 6 incused coins
for a total of $175 posted from a dealer earlier this week and there is supposed to be an UNC and at least
1x aUNC amongst them so I'll see what happens with that lot first
Title: RE: UNC INCUSED 50 CENT VALUE
Post by: robbiegal on August 17, 2013, 11:44:57 AM
am I right in thinking that if this cupro nickel coin is 13 years old that it should have some nice lustre or dullness - not glossy and shiny?
Title: RE: UNC INCUSED 50 CENT VALUE
Post by: trout on August 17, 2013, 11:45:30 AM
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='25248' dateline='1376704743'Got some better photos and now I'm not sure that it's uncirculated.I told the seller that I thought it would only grade aUNC because of the
scratches and dings on the obverse




I hate to say this Mate But that coin is starting to look like a "Peter Wallace" offering :angel:
Far too much "Chatter" on the obverse to be MS I think :ok:
I suggest holding onto your Money and wait for a better one :good:
Title: RE: UNC INCUSED 50 CENT VALUE
Post by: Fr45h3R on August 17, 2013, 11:47:38 AM
Quotegrade aUNC because of the scratches and dings on the obverse

I always thought wear was the contributing factor to bring a coins grade down from UNC ?

Either way, the coin does not appear UNC.
Title: RE: UNC INCUSED 50 CENT VALUE
Post by: stevo1962 on August 17, 2013, 11:49:36 AM
Quote from: 'Fr45h3R' pid='25255' dateline='1376705858'
Quotegrade aUNC because of the scratches and dings on the obverse

I always thought wear was the contributing factor to bring a coins grade down from UNC ?

Either way, the coin does not appear UNC.

Detracting marks can also reduce the grade
Title: RE: UNC INCUSED 50 CENT VALUE
Post by: Possie Ron on August 17, 2013, 12:36:39 PM
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='25248' dateline='1376704743'Got some better photos and now I'm not sure that it's uncirculated.I told the seller that I thought it would only grade aUNC because of the
scratches and dings on the obverse



Thanks for this picture Stevo. I have had a few Millenniums but only standard issue. Not having seen an incused,this clearly show the difference to be as I thought.
Title: RE: UNC INCUSED 50 CENT VALUE
Post by: stevo1962 on August 21, 2013, 06:46:45 PM
Bulk purchase of incused 50's and still no UNC

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