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Non Numismatic Discussion => Chin Wag => Topic started by: ausjack on August 07, 2013, 07:39:27 PM

Title: I'm having puter trouble
Post by: ausjack on August 07, 2013, 07:39:27 PM
I don't know what'sgoin on but this bastard of a thing won't load pic's and all sorts of things so I'll play while I can but this could be the end of me as I can't afford another one but see what happens..stupid @#$^% thing, I have spent too much on this already and not spending any more and over having trouble and costing a fortune to fix :(
Title: RE: I'm having puter trouble
Post by: robbiegal on August 07, 2013, 07:43:19 PM
sorry to hear that
i eventually got a new puter earlier this year
my old laptop was driving me nuts

but it's been a good spare cause the hubby's one is playing up & 'supposed' to have been repaired under warranty

never ending with these gizmos
Title: RE: I'm having puter trouble
Post by: Australian coin on August 07, 2013, 07:47:45 PM
haha I would say with you linking all those youtube clips, that you have been using some serious internet data up, also do you know how to clean up your cookies cos that will slow ya down and make the puter scream at ya ;)
Title: RE: I'm having puter trouble
Post by: ausjack on August 07, 2013, 07:51:46 PM
it's playing other games like it won't right click and all sorts of things..might have to take it to the dude :( and no have data left, only use 27% but don't know what cookies are or how to get rid of them
Title: RE: I'm having puter trouble
Post by: Australian coin on August 07, 2013, 07:57:53 PM
right click is your mouse, and that can be simply that the chord or receiver has been bumped out of its computer slot, or it could be a hardware problem, this is usually fixed with a reboot or system restore, easily fixed.
Title: RE: I'm having puter trouble
Post by: robbiegal on August 07, 2013, 08:00:51 PM
i have also found that deleted LARGE photo files makes a heck of a difference to running

and a good old (over night defragment - set and let it run)  also does wonders
Title: RE: I'm having puter trouble
Post by: ausjack on August 07, 2013, 08:00:57 PM
well I can't open emails now so it was fun while it lasted, I'll keep going while I can but remember I loves ya's all :give_heart: be good to each other and take care friend :)
Title: RE: I'm having puter trouble
Post by: robbiegal on August 07, 2013, 08:01:53 PM
hummm

have you got an anti-virus on your puter?
Title: RE: I'm having puter trouble
Post by: ausjack on August 07, 2013, 08:05:00 PM
yeah he put microsoft security..he works for council and is normally really good so I'll try and contact him tomorrow :( I just did a scan and it said it was fine..who knows
Title: RE: I'm having puter trouble
Post by: stevo1962 on August 07, 2013, 08:11:51 PM
I use all the free anti virus and spyware and it does the trick
Title: RE: I'm having puter trouble
Post by: trout on August 07, 2013, 11:34:11 PM
I built a couple of desktop towers a couple of years ago and haven't used them, they just sit on the desk in the spare room.
I am thinking of whacking Linux on the quad core and having a bit of a play with it when I get some spare time.
I have found lately that the hardware is pretty robust, however the software is getting more and more unreliable.
Title: RE: I'm having puter trouble
Post by: Fulvio on August 08, 2013, 03:27:38 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='24244' dateline='1375884251'I have found lately that the hardware is pretty robust, however the software is getting more and more unreliable.

:agreed::yeah_that::i_agree:
Title: RE: I'm having puter trouble
Post by: ausjack on August 08, 2013, 07:53:07 AM
:zomby: I'm still here :mocking:

Need to get some more mem sticks but seems to be running a little better after I had a little clean up and got rid of hundreds of emails and pic's but need the sticks to save some stuff but I had fun last night..turned it off then the bastard didn't want to play and then it played and then it changed it's mind and did want to load antivirus but then it did :dodgy: I swear I'll take to this bastard with the axe one day :angel:
Title: RE: I'm having puter trouble
Post by: Unicorn on August 08, 2013, 10:59:28 AM
:laugh2: AJ .......ah, I just love it when they start to do that ...... will boot, won't boot, bios fails, FAT controller fails ...... the axe sounds like a plan, but they reckon hacking is illegal .... :angel:
(edit: ..... changed back to but ..... I can't even write a sentence lately).
Title: RE: I'm having puter trouble
Post by: Possie Ron on August 08, 2013, 04:35:49 PM
I just put a lot of stuff on disks. Just as a backup to reload again later.
Title: RE: I'm having puter trouble
Post by: lacey on August 08, 2013, 07:27:20 PM
get rid of all the photos you don't want or need and clean out your temp folder as well.

I had a friend who had thousands of emails.  he liked to keep everything.  it took me about 2 hours just deleting the emails, not to mention photos and temp files.  Just be careful what you are deleting, or you will be even more unhappy AJ.

I have been using AVG free for about 9years now and never had an issue.  not good to have more than 1 anti-virus program on your puta, or it may cause more problems.

If all else fails, re-install your OS and start off fresh.
Title: RE: I'm having puter trouble
Post by: Fulvio on August 08, 2013, 07:47:16 PM
Why should deleting files make any difference at all? That's like cleaning out the garage to make your car go faster. As long as you have adequate swap space, it doesn't matter if you have 100Mb or 20Tb of excess free space left. Or is this yet another of those inferior OS fails? In which case, get a REAL operating system and forget the frustrations.

As for backups, a file server with lots of storage, preferrably RAID 5, is the way to go. You can even get routers that do that job nowadays, or tiny NAS boxes that are basically just networked drives.
Title: RE: I'm having puter trouble
Post by: robbiegal on August 08, 2013, 07:59:18 PM
deleting files has always made a difference for me

I don't know all the lingo
but I know it has worked
Title: RE: I'm having puter trouble
Post by: Unicorn on August 08, 2013, 08:21:16 PM
Windows based PCs often slow considerably when there are a large number of files in any particular directory. Creating a good sub directory structure and having not too many files in each will help general peformance.

Same rule applies to memory sticks if you put too many files in the root directory it will fail before it is full.
Title: RE: I'm having puter trouble
Post by: ausjack on August 09, 2013, 12:30:53 AM
Thanks heaps for the advice team, seem a bit better so I'll clean up a bit more before spending anything on it :hi:
Title: RE: I'm having puter trouble
Post by: lacey on August 09, 2013, 09:51:02 AM
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='24317' dateline='1375957036'Why should deleting files make any difference at all? That's like cleaning out the garage to make your car go faster. As long as you have adequate swap space, it doesn't matter if you have 100Mb or 20Tb of excess free space left. Or is this yet another of those inferior OS fails? In which case, get a REAL operating system and forget the frustrations.

As for backups, a file server with lots of storage, preferrably RAID 5, is the way to go. You can even get routers that do that job nowadays, or tiny NAS boxes that are basically just networked drives.

Because as we were taught in TAFE, the more you have, the harder and longer it takes for your PC to find what it's been told to look for.  
We had a great teacher, who didn't just talk but also demonstrated how things worked.

I don't think cleaning out your garage would make your car go faster, as it's 2 different things but,  cleaning out your garage would allow for more stuff to be stored. :-)  and the same goes for PCs.

Giving your car a once or twice yearly service will keep it in good running order :-)  and the same goes for PCs
Title: RE: I'm having puter trouble
Post by: Fulvio on August 09, 2013, 05:05:16 PM
Quote from: 'lacey' pid='24358' dateline='1376007662'...the more you have, the harder and longer it takes for your PC to find what it's been told to look for.

Computers have different types of memory spaces, which operate at different speeds. The fastest is inside what we'll call the CPU (which is in reality a lot more than just the CPU nowadays), and operates at very high speed. Then you have your working space, RAM, which is substantially slower. And finally you have external storage, which is extremely slow.

Because RAM is limited and very expensive, there is a process called paging, where blocks of memory are swapped out to the slower, cheaper storage when not required. This is a very slow process, so a predictive algorithm is used to try and preload the bits you're likely to need next. If the amount of free space on the external storage is low, it gets harder and harder (and slower) to write blocks of memory out to it. There is a major bottleneck called "thrashing" where pages are being continuously swapped in and out because of low free space. Think of it like getting up from the desk to go to the filing cabinet to get each and every piece of paper you need to work on, one at a time.

As far as files on the same external media are concerned, the major concern is fragmentation. When a file is written, it is in contiguous blocks, and the directory entry comprises ideally a single entry. As files are deleted and rewritten, gaps appear, and are filled in by subsequent files. If the files are larger than the gaps, they are split into non-contiguous segments, each of which requires an additional directory entry. This makes retrieval much slower of course, but the degradation will only be noticed by I/O intensive processes which are already very slow, such as page swapping. Storage space which is not being accessed can be free or used, it will not make any difference whatsoever. Except as it affects paging of course.

Not all operating systems are equally efficient in how they manage memory and storage. OSX, for example, doesn't even have a de-fragmentation utility, because the OS is continually optimising storage on the fly, and it is unnecessary. Windows, on the other hand, needs defragmentation regularly to keep it running. On all systems, it is a very good idea to split storage by use. Whether by having multiple drives or partitions, swap space, system files (OS and applications) and data should be on separate volumes. Ideally, swap and system should be high speed media, such as SSD's, rather than rotating disks.

This is a very simplified summary, because this is, after all, a coin forum, not a computer science class. But at least I didn't bring in the "little green man" one of my lecturers always used to describe complexities he didn't want to address. ;)

So in order to cure a slow system, in order of benefit:

1. Use an efficient OS, preferrably Unix-based (Linux, OSX, etc)
2. Buy as much RAM as you can afford, and upgrade when you can
3. Install an SSD and use it for system and swap space
4. Defragment regularly (on OS's that require it)
Title: RE: I'm having puter trouble
Post by: ausjack on August 09, 2013, 05:57:22 PM
:blink:

:scratch_one-s_head: I have a computer :laugh2: