G'day, I know its probably a bit ho-hum to some but its is my 1st one and so I am pleased to have it in my collection. Happy collectin;)
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It's a nice starter and probably would grade Fine or getter
Its probably just me going crazy but something doesnt look right about it
Quote from: 'enworb' pid='23159' dateline='1375002042'Its probably just me going crazy but something doesnt look right about it
On looking again the date doesn't look right and the star is too big and we know what that means
I reckon its a cast counterfeit. The date and star are a bit wrong and the surfaces are rough.
The bottom section of the rim is also very odd.
sorry black sheep
I am inclined to agree with the guys too
as soon as I opened the pics I pegged it for a forgery coin
i'm no great silvers collector, but I have a reasonable collection of forgeries, so have a bit of an idea on what to look for
Really ? :blink: ...crap
Not so pleased now
I am also unsure on this one, I have a coin in similar condition .
The 5 dots under the star are still separated on my coin, yours seem to be just a squiggle under the star.
I am NOT calling it either way, I don't have the expertise on shillings But it does look "Odd" :ok:
This side by side will not make you happy, black sheep.
black sheep's on left, Genuine (Cleaned) aVF on right
(http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv160/ford_prefect/Australian%20Coin%20Forum/Blacksheep21-horz_zps14cfa630.jpg)
That is as clear as ice Ford, The stars are WAY too fat .
Cheers Mate :good:
Hope you didn't pay too much and you can get a refund
I just looked in my Maccas 2013 book and this coin is fairly valuable.
If it is a Chinese Knock off I would be unhappy.
If however it is a contempary forgery then it probably is collectable .
However I tend to think that this has come from one of the "Ming Ming" Mints in mainland China :dash1:
weight would also be interesting
I suspect it is one of these:
http://www.jinghuashei.com/html/product/10091519323079350.html
A quick couple of similarities:
The small mark in front of the kangaroos L leg
"cuds" on the "G" in shilling
what seems to be a small cud on the shield under the emu's leg
the deformed arm of the star above the date at 5 o'clock
a couple of marks on the base of the 2 in the date
I'm sure there will be others
Quote from: 'Steveqld' pid='23187' dateline='1375011583'I suspect it is one of these:
http://www.jinghuashei.com/html/product/10091519323079350.html
A quick couple of similarities:
The small mark in front of the kangaroos L leg
"cuds" on the "G" in shilling
what seems to be a small cud on the shield under the emu's leg
the deformed arm of the star above the date at 5 o'clock
a couple of marks on the base of the 2 in the date
I'm sure there will be others
That is a PERFECT match, Great detective work Mate :good:
Did you get it from eBay?
I'd love to know how these counterfeiters can be so brazen, and get away with it. Maybe the Australian government doesn't have much pull with eBay, but they're knocking off US coins too, and the yanks get pretty touchy about that.
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The shame about it all is that i imagine it is mainly new collectors who get done out of their money which then puts them off of collecting.
Just for completeness the three coins side by side and in the order of Chinese copy, Black Sheep's coin and Ford Prefects genuine coin:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10124/Triple.jpg)
No mistaking that one Steve, if the spur in front of the roo's leg wasn't enough the goose neck 2 and the cudded G have it totally covered. Probably some wear/toning added to complete the illusion.
Well I live and learn eh - and yes I am new at this.
thanks guys :good: for taking the time and trouble to educate me
I got on Ebay for $20 delivered a couple of weeks ago so its not such an expensive coin...just annoying and one that I have been after for a while now. I think I'll let the seller know its a bodgie one and see what he says.
Back to drawing board for the 21star :exclamation:
So many counterfeit coins circulating around - so many traps for newbies
Ebay is not a good way to buy me thinks - at least not without lots of research first.
I might pay a bit more from a dealer but I can trust the local guys and will frequent them more.
cheers to all , your a good bunch ;)
Quote from: 'black sheep' pid='23241' dateline='1375083220'Well I live and learn eh - and yes I am new at this.
thanks guys :good: for taking the time and trouble to educate me
I got on Ebay for $20 delivered a couple of weeks ago so its not such an expensive coin...just annoying and one that I have been after for a while now. I think I'll let the seller know its a bodgie one and see what he says.
Back to drawing board for the 21star :exclamation:
So many counterfeit coins circulating around - so many traps for newbies
Ebay is not a good way to buy me thinks - at least not without lots of research first.
I might pay a bit more from a dealer but I can trust the local guys and will frequent them more.
cheers to all , your a good bunch ;)
Yes you will pay more for a genuine coin but at least you will have a better idea about what a genuine coin looks like now
I just contacted the Ebay seller.
they said mail it back and if it checks out to them as a fake a refund will come my way (must be a reasonably good seller)..so I will send it back with a note on the concerns.
- I maybe a little bit happier again :rolleyes:
Probably many sellers have no idea what is real and is not and that doesn't necessarily mean they are dodgey ?
Its a pretty poor fake that wouldnt fool many collectors who have been collecting for very long. Seems a bit dodgy to me. Dont be too scared off by ebay. Maybe you could post a thread where you can put up coins you are planning on buying so you can get an opinion from here first before pulling the trigger.
Quote from: 'enworb' pid='23283' dateline='1375094178'Its a pretty poor fake that wouldnt fool many collectors who have been collecting for very long. Seems a bit dodgy to me. Dont be too scared off by ebay. Maybe you could post a thread where you can put up coins you are planning on buying so you can get an opinion from here first before pulling the trigger.
That would be great, I will...thanks
I think this one is genuine but it is cleaned:
(http://users.tpg.com.au/r9453//1921.Shilling.Rev%20-%20Copy.JPG)
:huh:
Not knowing much abiut this yet but it's how I'm learning but I'd say yes as it seems too shinny for lack of detail on the emu..but like I said I'm still learning, nice coin but just something about it :)
Looks genuine
yeah but has it had a little swim enworb ??
see the little marks between the emu's legs..shouldn't they be a slighly different colour..maybe
Im not the best with silver coins and photos AJ. Much more comfortable with copper.
Me neither mate but thought I'd have a guess as I can only get shot down in flames :) just looked too shinny all over like it may have been dipped but someone will put me straight..I'm pretty sure of that :winkextra: :laugh2:
At first glance i would say yes but i havent photographed many cleaned silver coins and generally dont buy them from photos. Ive been wrong a few times lately on silver so i'll stick out of it.
All good mate :good: