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Title: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: Coins from Vending on July 16, 2013, 06:51:16 PM
Today I found a bank that had armagaurd  delivered $2 coins and bought $1000 worth of the $50 bags each bag had 3-4 in it.

I sort through them all and add them to my stash, on 1 coin I noticed that instead of the paint being a deep purple this one was more magenta.

Would this be classified as a fault. It is the only one of the 110 I have that exhibits this different colour

The coin on the left is the one

(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r53/patchy001/2coronationerror001.jpg) (http://s141.photobucket.com/user/patchy001/media/2coronationerror001.jpg.html)
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: Unicorn on July 16, 2013, 07:17:38 PM
That's the way error hunter ...... go out and find em, your efforts were rewarded!!!! Excellent find, it will be interesting to see if any others come out of the woodwork!.
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: Coins from Vending on July 16, 2013, 07:48:07 PM
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='21701' dateline='1373968058'That's the way error hunter ...... go out and find em, your efforts were rewarded!!!! Excellent find, it will be interesting to see if any others come out of the woodwork!.

I've taken on board Fulvios advice and am now when I don't play golf going to the bank and swapping notes for coin, the other day I did $600 of 20cent pieces, ended up with about 70 coins of interest and I think I got 5-6 Norfolk Island 20s 1 sheeps back 3 Canberra state coins 3 Tasmanias a few NSW and other states, a heap of centenary of Canberra and a  few others, missus thinks I've gone mad.......

I am going to test the market, could I get $100 for it???

That will cover my next game of Golf at Brookwater Golf Club, just.
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: Fulvio on July 16, 2013, 08:11:39 PM
Quote from: 'error hunter' pid='21710' dateline='1373969887'I am going to test the market, could I get $100 for it???

Nup, but I'll swap you this even rarer purple 1993 I just found:

(http://fulvio.jovianprojects.com.au/coins/forum/Purple1993.jpg)

:angel:

And the missus doesn't think spending a hundred bucks on chasing a little ball all day is mad????
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: Mister T on July 16, 2013, 08:12:39 PM
Nice find. All of my look the same dark purple.
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: Coins from Vending on July 16, 2013, 08:31:48 PM
My missus feels physically ill at the sight of golf clubs and the golf course, absolutely hates it, when she was young her father made her caddy for him, I think she was about 7-8 at the time?
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: Fulvio on July 16, 2013, 08:42:52 PM
Quote from: 'error hunter' pid='21721' dateline='1373972508'...her father made her caddy for him...

CHILD ABUSE!!!! :angel:
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: trout on July 16, 2013, 11:22:42 PM
A bit of a longer soak in acetone and it will produce an even more amazing error, NO colour  :dodgy:
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: Fulvio on July 16, 2013, 11:37:49 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='21741' dateline='1373982762'A bit of a longer soak in acetone and it will produce an even more amazing error, NO colour  :dodgy:

You willing to be the guinea pig for this?
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: keldaw on July 17, 2013, 07:04:26 AM
I am lost , if these coins are being found in the shops and bags from the banks , how come they are selling for $ 12.50 on ebay ,.  ??

     ,, kel ,,
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: Robster on July 17, 2013, 08:45:14 AM
Those who don't play golf will never understand the allure of golf. A bit like noodling thousands of small coins.!! To each his 'own'.! :angel:
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: trout on July 17, 2013, 10:00:09 AM
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='21742' dateline='1373983669'
Quote from: 'trout' pid='21741' dateline='1373982762'A bit of a longer soak in acetone and it will produce an even more amazing error, NO colour  :dodgy:

You willing to be the guinea pig for this?

I am willing to sacrifice a coin in the interests of other collectors.
I jut KNOW one of these "NO paint , remarkable Error coins" will eventually find its way onto eBay and dupe some poor collector out of quite a lot of money.
I will be home Saturday and I will attempt to remove the pad printing using acetone.
Before and after pics will be posted.
This will be another "special Product" exclusively produced at the Royal Trout Mint :diablo::laugh2:
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: accumulator on July 17, 2013, 10:07:58 AM
I seriously think it's a quality control thing,i bought a dozen of the 2012 hyper metal mint sets & there is a fair bit of colour variation between some of the sets,one set in particular has almost no colour.
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: Coins from Vending on July 17, 2013, 04:24:02 PM
Quote from: 'Robster' pid='21757' dateline='1374016514'Those who don't play golf will never understand the allure of golf. A bit like noodling thousands of small coins.!! To each his 'own'.! :angel:

Golf is an awesome game, I play 2-3 times a week at Coolangatta Tweed, I play off 9 I've only been playing for 20 months I'd would like to get down to 5 by end of the year.
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: Goldseeker on July 17, 2013, 08:52:27 PM
To play a round of golf, costs you money and unless one turns professional, one can't make a profit.

Noodling, one needs a small bank of money and keep recycling the the money, search or noodle and find errors etc and sell for profit.

Same same for fishing.   equipment costs a fortune for no profit except one can, at times, eat what one caught.

Need I say more.
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: Fulvio on July 17, 2013, 09:36:08 PM
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='21809' dateline='1374060147'...eat what one caught.

Unless you're me that is... only thing I ever caught was a seagull, and I don't think they're good eating. ;)
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: runway on July 17, 2013, 11:21:46 PM
Quote from: 'keldaw' pid='21753' dateline='1374010466'I am lost , if these coins are being found in the shops and bags from the banks , how come they are selling for $ 12.50 on ebay ,.  ??

     ,, kel ,,

The ebay coins I think are the C mintmark coin not these circulating coloured coins with no mintmark
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: trout on July 18, 2013, 05:38:53 PM
OK as promised , I have just got home and took one of these out of my spares and have put it in acetone.
This is the Before pic :ok:
I will post another pic in half an hours soaking :diablo:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/berore.jpg)

Here it is "Amazing 2013 coronation error coin" and it didn't take 30 min either :ok:
So if you see one of these listed as an error you can be certain that they have been tampered with :ok:

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/after.jpg)
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: Unicorn on July 18, 2013, 06:27:52 PM
Well done Trout ...... now you can get the spray gun out and do a red one with GT stripes!!! :yahoo:
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: trout on July 18, 2013, 06:33:42 PM
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='21899' dateline='1374137872'Well done Trout ...... now you can get the spray gun out and do a red one with GT stripes!!! :yahoo:

It is interesting to see the different type of finish where the paint was applied :ok:
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: Unicorn on July 18, 2013, 06:45:13 PM
Yes, it almost looks like a matt finish (which would make sense if you were going to paint it).
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: trout on July 18, 2013, 07:01:44 PM
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='21903' dateline='1374138913'Yes, it almost looks like a matt finish (which would make sense if you were going to paint it).

It does make sense :good:
I was a shame to ruin a perfectly good coin but as an educational tool I think the sacrifice is validated.
It is not a matter of IF one of these get listed by the "Shonky Mob" on eBay it is a matter of WHEN :ok:
As these coins ONLY are issued as coloured coins it is like a Rag to a bull for the "Shonky Mob" because they just know some Bidiot will shell out their hard earned cash for one of these Fake errors.
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: Fulvio on July 18, 2013, 07:55:08 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='21904' dateline='1374139904'...it is a matter of WHEN

So, list it, and clearly state how it was done, and tell people NOT to bid. That should help with the bidiot re-education.

Oh, and if you do, better also state it was accidental damage so you don't run foul of the defacement laws.
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: trout on July 18, 2013, 08:04:21 PM
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='21914' dateline='1374143108'
Quote from: 'trout' pid='21904' dateline='1374139904'...it is a matter of WHEN

So, list it, and clearly state how it was done, and tell people NOT to bid. That should help with the bidiot re-education.


Oh, and if you do, better also state it was accidental damage so you don't run foul of the defacement laws.

I was thinking more of reintroducing it into circulation :diablo:
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: triplewitch on July 18, 2013, 09:06:04 PM
I was going to say, it's not ruined, you can still spend it.-John
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: Coins from Vending on July 26, 2013, 08:43:47 PM
Has anyone got  ball park figure this paint error coin might be worth?? I've put it on Ebay starting at $75 buy now for $250 bit optimistic but hey, Ebay is full of mugs??
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: trout on July 26, 2013, 08:48:57 PM
Quote from: 'error hunter' pid='22953' dateline='1374837227'Has anyone got  ball park figure this paint error coin might be worth?? I've put it on Ebay starting at $75 buy now for $250 bit optimistic but hey, Ebay is full of mugs??

Please tell me you are not serious.
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: Unicorn on July 26, 2013, 08:52:24 PM
:yeah_that: ....... what the!
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: Coins from Vending on July 26, 2013, 08:52:40 PM
about Ebay being full of idiots?? I am deadly serious...........................Gotta test the waters
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: robbiegal on July 26, 2013, 08:52:47 PM
Quote from: 'error hunter' pid='22953' dateline='1374837227'Has anyone got  ball park figure this paint error coin might be worth?? I've put it on Ebay starting at $75 buy now for $250 bit optimistic but hey, Ebay is full of mugs??

that is a crappy attitude for selling
or maybe have it wrong here
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: trout on July 26, 2013, 08:54:49 PM
Quote from: 'error hunter' pid='22960' dateline='1374837760'about Ebay being full of idiots?? I am deadly serious...........................Gotta test the waters

Can you post a link to the listing :angel:
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: Coins from Vending on July 26, 2013, 08:56:53 PM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/111128099962?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: Fulvio on July 26, 2013, 08:57:27 PM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='22961' dateline='1374837767'that is a crappy attitude for selling

:i_agree:

I honestly don't think there is anything to be gained from ripping people off, even if they're bidiots. Any monetary gain is more than counterbalanced by loss of prestige. And once you get a bad rep, its pretty hard to shake off.
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: trout on July 26, 2013, 09:03:04 PM
Quote from: 'error hunter' pid='22963' dateline='1374838013'http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/111128099962?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

There may be a lot of fools on eBay Mate but NONE of them live here.
The coin I removed the paint from before I wiped it with a cotton bud had a weaker colour, just like your coin If I had left it to dry out it would be the same colour.
I have reported your listing to eBay :ok:
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: Unicorn on July 26, 2013, 09:03:36 PM
Error Hunter, I was thinking you were going to list an acetoned one, not the one you found at the beginning of this thread.
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: Coins from Vending on July 26, 2013, 09:03:59 PM
so what is it worth? any suggestions?

its not like I am selling something that's been tampered with like those $5 notes with the queens face rubbed out

reported??

on the basis of..................
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: Fulvio on July 26, 2013, 09:15:17 PM
Quote from: 'error hunter' pid='22968' dateline='1374838439'reported??

on the basis of..................

I'd be curious to know that too. While I don't think the listing was a wise move, I can't see anything actionable in it. :huh:

The big problem with this type of thing is you don't know what the production process is. Suppose it turns out the paint's UV-sensitive, and yours just happened to cop a bit of sun. Once lots start showing up, you'll look shonky.

At the very least, I'd let the distribution process complete before getting carried away. Its very early days yet.
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: robbiegal on July 26, 2013, 09:19:22 PM
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='22965' dateline='1374838047'
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='22961' dateline='1374837767'that is a crappy attitude for selling

:i_agree:

I honestly don't think there is anything to be gained from ripping people off, even if they're bidiots. Any monetary gain is more than counterbalanced by loss of prestige. And once you get a bad rep, its pretty hard to shake off.

people just get a new ID

but this is a genuine variety isn't it?
or am I wrong again?
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: Fulvio on July 26, 2013, 09:21:10 PM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='22970' dateline='1374839362'but this is a genuine variety isn't it?

Maybe. We don't know what it is yet.
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: trout on July 26, 2013, 09:26:30 PM
Quoteso what is it worth? any suggestions?
Before you ask this question think about what your "reputation" is worth to you :ok:

Quotepeople just get a new ID
Your attitude just gets worse by the second :dash1:

QuoteI'd be curious to know that too. While I don't think the listing was a wise move, I can't see anything actionable in it.

I have already proven how this "Colour change" can be achieved outside the mint, So yes it IS actionable.

I have another pertinent question for error hunter.
"Are you the same entity as Sulla?"
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: Coins from Vending on July 26, 2013, 09:31:12 PM
Am I the same entity as Sulla?????  No

And your comment on my attitude gets worse by the second??? you ought to go back and see who made the comment of "people just get a new ID"


Apology accepted.......................
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: robbiegal on July 26, 2013, 09:32:09 PM
I made that comment about sellers who don't care about reputation
they just create a new ID
happens all the time
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: Coins from Vending on July 26, 2013, 09:34:44 PM
This coin cam straight out of a security bag as is I have not touched it in any way shape or form, perhaps you could ask the Mods to look into my IP address and that of the other person, I am sure IPs are logged????

Your apology is again accepted..................
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: trout on July 26, 2013, 09:36:31 PM
QuoteApology accepted.......................
Yes I did stuff up there, No worries Sorry :ok:
Now all you have to do is get rid of your "Bogus" listing and apologise to everyone on the forum :good:
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: Coins from Vending on July 26, 2013, 09:43:08 PM
tell you what I will do, I'll end the auction.

I'll post the coin to you, you can have a look at it and compare it to the coin you took the paint off and to that of another purple coin look at it under a loupe or magnifying glass as you do with your other coins, I am sure if it has been tampered with looking at it under high magnification will show evidence of tampering.

When you've compared them and determined that mine is untempered with you can post it back to me.

How does that sound???

If you determine it has been tampered with, you can keep it.
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: trout on July 26, 2013, 09:45:51 PM
Quotetell you what I will do, I'll end the auction.
Thank you, that is all I wanted :good:

QuoteI am sure if it has been tampered with looking at it under high magnification will show evidence of tampering.
No it wont the acetone weakens the colour chemically without having any other effect on the coin.
If it is taken out of the solution the paint will dry and adhere again , but in a lighter shade.
I did this test specifically to ascertain if I could produce a coin like yours, It works out I can :ok:
I just knew that there would be a seller on eBay listing an error due to the colour or even NO colour But I had NO idea that it would come from one of our members :dash1:
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: Coins from Vending on July 26, 2013, 09:48:07 PM
I'll send you the coin, check it out for me and the forum, I am sure others will be interested in your assessment of the coin.

So who can I send this coin to to determine its authenticity??
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: robbiegal on July 26, 2013, 10:10:17 PM
The Royal Australian Mint
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: trout on July 26, 2013, 10:12:23 PM
Quote from: 'error hunter' pid='22980' dateline='1374841087'I'll send you the coin, check it out for me and the forum, I am sure others will be interested in your assessment of the coin.

I have absolutely no interest in "Assessing " your coin for you, If I was that way inclined I could make as many of these "error" coins as I wanted myself.
you have been on this site now for nearly 2 months and should realise by now that some of the very best numismatics in Australia are here looking at what you are posting ( I am but krill in the sea of numismatists on this site) and even I can see that you are not quite "Kosher".
This site is all about Australian collectors sharing information and coins  and not about ripping people off on eBay.
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: robbiegal on July 26, 2013, 10:31:41 PM
Quote from: 'error hunter' pid='22953' dateline='1374837227'Has anyone got  ball park figure this paint error coin might be worth?? I've put it on Ebay starting at $75 buy now for $250 bit optimistic but hey, Ebay is full of mugs??

to my disappointment you obviously think that this forum is full of mugs as well

fortunately there are more serious collectors here than greedy sellers who don't give a toss about the hobby or the community spirit and friendships that the hobby can bring into your life
 
you don't have a flying clue about the coin

your error may or may not be genuine
but your attitude expressed about buyers is far from genuine

sure there are mugs out there
and there is an even worse type - the ones who enjoy taking their money with contempt

revolting

an I offer no apology for my comments
appalling
i'll have nothing further to do with you here
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: Fulvio on July 26, 2013, 10:33:21 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='22982' dateline='1374842543'...you are not quite "Kosher".

Errrrrrr.... :stop:

Sorry Trout buddy, but you're getting a tad out of line I think.

OK, so we know the error can be faked. But right from the start it was stated it came out of an Armaguard bag like this. Now, unless you're actually calling people liars, you have to accept basic things like that at face value.

Big difference between saying you CAN replicate it, and claiming its therefore a fake. Its like the green serial numbers on the old fivers. We all KNOW you can give them a bath and make them green, but that does not mean some of them aren't genuine. Because we know for a fact they are.

My objection to this listing was precisely because of the uncertainty. I thought it was a bad idea, and I still do. That does NOT mean I think there's anything shonky going on.

Go have another read of the whole thread and see if you reckon an apology is due.
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: trout on July 26, 2013, 10:51:50 PM
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='22984' dateline='1374843801'
Quote from: 'trout' pid='22982' dateline='1374842543'...you are not quite "Kosher".

Errrrrrr.... :stop:

Sorry Trout buddy, but you're getting a tad out of line I think.

OK, so we know the error can be faked. But right from the start it was stated it came out of an Armaguard bag like this. Now, unless you're actually calling people liars, you have to accept basic things like that at face value.

Big difference between saying you CAN replicate it, and claiming its therefore a fake. Its like the green serial numbers on the old fivers. We all KNOW you can give them a bath and make them green, but that does not mean some of them aren't genuine. Because we know for a fact they are.

My objection to this listing was precisely because of the uncertainty. I thought it was a bad idea, and I still do. That does NOT mean I think there's anything shonky going on.

Go have another read of the whole thread and see if you reckon an apology is due.

Mate I have done as advised and re read the entire thread :ok:
I agree that an apology is due :ok:
But NOT by ME :angel:
Think about this for a second, Shonky eBay sellers and shonky dealers are THE reason why slabbed coins are becoming the ONLY way of getting a genuine coin lately so why not do all we can to get rid of the "Bad Elements" while we can so that we still have a chance at getting the coins we want/need without paying the extra $30-$50 tax/bounty on each coin :ok:

If you feel I need to apologise for standing up and making myself counted for "keeping the bastards honest" then I am very sorry my friend you will have to live with the disappointment.

Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='22983' dateline='1374843701'
Quote from: 'error hunter' pid='22953' dateline='1374837227'Has anyone got  ball park figure this paint error coin might be worth?? I've put it on Ebay starting at $75 buy now for $250 bit optimistic but hey, Ebay is full of mugs??

to my disappointment you obviously think that this forum is full of mugs as well

fortunately there are more serious collectors here than greedy sellers who don't give a toss about the hobby or the community spirit and friendships that the hobby can bring into your life
 
you don't have a flying clue about the coin

your error may or may not be genuine
but your attitude expressed about buyers is far from genuine

sure there are mugs out there
and there is an even worse type - the ones who enjoy taking their money with contempt

revolting

an I offer no apology for my comments
appalling
i'll have nothing further to do with you here

I have NEVER EVER seen RG so angry before on ANY forum.
I wholeheartedly agree with her statements and endorse them :friends::ok:

The listing has been removed and I give kudos to errorhunter for that, Thank you :ok:
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: robbiegal on July 27, 2013, 07:42:50 AM
I think the ID  mix up is that Sulla also came into the forum the other day/night offering the coronation coin in lots of 100 for $1,000 to members here
the $800 premium certainly did receive some comments from other posters!
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: stevo1962 on July 27, 2013, 07:45:14 AM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='22995' dateline='1374876770'I think the ID  mix up is that Sulla also came into the forum the other day/night offering the coronation coin in lots of 100 for $1,000 to members here
the $800 premium certainly did receive some comments from other posters!

I would hope that none of the forum members are that gullible to fall for a sting like that
Title: RE: 2 coronation paint error
Post by: markn on July 27, 2013, 08:15:35 AM
OK I am going to lock this thread.  I don't like the idea of this forum being used as an avenue for selling potentially fabricated errors.  PPH and I will attempt to replicate removal of the paint from these coins to verify what trout has said.  Any more discussion on this issue is locked until you hear back from us.