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Numismatic Discussion => Coin and Banknote Grading => Topic started by: stevo1962 on July 15, 2013, 05:41:01 PM

Title: High grade millunium incused
Post by: stevo1962 on July 15, 2013, 05:41:01 PM
Any ideas on the grade of this one ?

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Title: RE: High grade millunium incused
Post by: JeffH on July 15, 2013, 05:55:11 PM
Would you believe absolute rubbish (send it to me and I will give you ten bucks for it)!
Would you believe VF and I will give you $20 for it?
Would you believe...
Looks quite nice actually. Who took the pics? I am still baffled as how to capture the lustre like that.

Jeff
Title: RE: High grade millunium incused
Post by: stevo1962 on July 15, 2013, 06:08:35 PM
I took the photos but the hair has some flat spots  just above queens ear and I
cant work out if it is wear or not as there is no wear on any other part of the coin
Title: RE: High grade millunium incused
Post by: Mister T on July 15, 2013, 06:10:44 PM
Hard to say. Is the flatness in parts of the hair actual wear?
Title: RE: High grade millunium incused
Post by: stevo1962 on July 15, 2013, 06:24:43 PM
Quote from: 'Mister T' pid='21583' dateline='1373877644'Hard to say. Is the flatness in parts of the hair actual wear?

On looking at it again it looks more like an irregularity in the pattern

This photo may show it better but difficult to capture in artificial light

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Title: RE: High grade millunium incused
Post by: accumulator on July 15, 2013, 06:43:20 PM
Looks to me like it's been silver dipped or cleaned in some way & EF.
Title: RE: High grade millunium incused
Post by: trout on July 15, 2013, 06:48:08 PM
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='21579' dateline='1373875861'Any ideas on the grade of this one ?



gEF too much chatter there to be AU.
The obverse is nice but the reverse has suffered :ok:
Title: RE: High grade millunium incused
Post by: stevo1962 on July 15, 2013, 07:02:34 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='21589' dateline='1373879888'
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='21579' dateline='1373875861'Any ideas on the grade of this one ?



gEF too much chatter there to be AU.
The obverse is nice but the reverse has suffered :ok:

Yeah a bit of a letdown there
Title: RE: High grade millunium incused
Post by: trout on July 15, 2013, 07:12:31 PM
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='21592' dateline='1373880754'
Quote from: 'trout' pid='21589' dateline='1373879888'
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='21579' dateline='1373875861'Any ideas on the grade of this one ?



gEF too much chatter there to be AU.
The obverse is nice but the reverse has suffered :ok:

Yeah a bit of a letdown there

Not really most of these turn up VF at best, This is defiantly a nice example from circulation :good:
I think I can remember people bagging PP for buying one of these for Mark for about $100 in UNC,
Looks like PP had the right idea and got in early :yahoo:
Title: RE: High grade millunium incused
Post by: Fulvio on July 15, 2013, 08:53:47 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='21593' dateline='1373881351'Looks like PP had the right idea and got in early :yahoo:

Has anyone ever known her to not have the right idea? :angel:

gEF sounds right to me. I have just the place for it to reside too. ;)
Title: RE: High grade millunium incused
Post by: trout on July 15, 2013, 08:58:50 PM
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='21606' dateline='1373887427'
Quote from: 'trout' pid='21593' dateline='1373881351'Looks like PP had the right idea and got in early :yahoo:

Has anyone ever known her to not have the right idea? :angel:

gEF sounds right to me. I have just the place for it to reside too. ;)

co po Moonyanooka, care of trout :wavemulticolor:
Title: RE: High grade millunium incused
Post by: Fulvio on July 15, 2013, 09:13:25 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='21609' dateline='1373887730'co po Moonyanooka, care of trout

This might call for another auction... that Mark would win. :dodgy:
Title: RE: High grade millunium incused
Post by: trout on July 15, 2013, 09:18:51 PM
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='21614' dateline='1373888605'
Quote from: 'trout' pid='21609' dateline='1373887730'co po Moonyanooka, care of trout

This might call for another auction... that Mark would win. :dodgy:

HeHe bring it on baby :diablo:
Title: RE: High grade millunium incused
Post by: markn on July 16, 2013, 05:59:01 AM
I think that coin has been cleaned.  I don't like the "halo" I can see around some of the letters and devices.
Title: RE: High grade millunium incused
Post by: trout on July 16, 2013, 06:23:42 AM
Quote from: 'markn' pid='21628' dateline='1373920141'I think that coin has been cleaned.  I don't like the "halo" I can see around some of the letters and devices.

I think you are right Mark.
It does look like a "Peter Wallace" coin :ok:
Title: RE: High grade millunium incused
Post by: accumulator on July 16, 2013, 07:13:27 AM
Quote from: 'accumulator' pid='21586' dateline='1373879600'Looks to me like it's been silver dipped or cleaned in some way & EF.

Markn wrote

I think that coin has been cleaned. I don't like the "halo" I can see around some of the letters and devices.




I thought so too Mark,but everyone just ignored my earlier statement.
Title: RE: High grade millunium incused
Post by: markn on July 16, 2013, 08:44:09 AM
Quote from: 'accumulator' pid='21632' dateline='1373924607'I thought so too Mark,but everyone just ignored my earlier statement.

Oh well :) PPH showed me the coin yesterday and didn't like the look of it then and was a little surprised you were the only one who had similar concerns.  Thought you needed some support.
Title: RE: High grade millunium incused
Post by: stevo1962 on July 16, 2013, 12:24:14 PM
I listed it on ebay and it will probably be an expensive lesson

   http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/281136933845?
Title: RE: High grade millunium incused
Post by: trout on August 17, 2014, 12:47:41 PM
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='21579' dateline='1373875861'Any ideas on the grade of this one ?




I have just looked of this old post, The images have disappeared :dash1:
I am pretty sure that we were discussing a coin that Steve later put on ebay and I ended up with it.
I am pretty sure that this was the coin because I wrote "Thanks Steve" on the 2x2, I recently had this coin graded by PCGS.
Here it is:ok:
 we could always check the fingerprints :dash1:

http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29866286.html

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(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/incused~1.jpg)
Title: RE: High grade millunium incused
Post by: serial on August 17, 2014, 01:11:04 PM
Ouch au cleaned sucks
Half the battle with this coin is getting one that will grade. The other half is getting one that will grade ms!
This will become a condition rarity

A bit like the 21/22 overdate
Title: RE: High grade millunium incused
Post by: stevo1962 on August 17, 2014, 01:44:27 PM
I bought this coin from a seller on Facebook and they said they hadn't
cleaned it but someone obviously did.Would have been a nice coin otherwise
Title: RE: High grade millunium incused
Post by: keldaw on August 17, 2014, 02:06:46 PM
I know nothing about grading coins , but I am pretty sure that some of mine are much better then that one Steve , that is just my opinion and I should have stayed out of it , and also I don't have the photo skills to show good pictures ,..so why am I writing this anyway , I should mind my own business , so my wife dawn  says .. I am still waiting for another 2 to arrive as I write this , and I say sorry , mine are not for sale , they are for my kids later on .. I am happy now that I have put my 2 bob,s worth in ..     ,, kel ,,
Title: RE: High grade millunium incused
Post by: serial on August 17, 2014, 02:37:58 PM
stevo they may well be telling the truth so you cant hold that against them. if they didn't see that it was cleaned and you didn't then you will have to chalk it up to bad luck. you are still up as far as I know on the MANY good grades you have got back from ebay buys.
I am jealous of some of them that 39 you got was great!
Title: RE: High grade millunium incused
Post by: stevo1962 on August 17, 2014, 03:27:32 PM
Quote from: 'serial' pid='57272' dateline='1408252078'stevo they may well be telling the truth so you cant hold that against them. if they didn't see that it was cleaned and you didn't then you will have to chalk it up to bad luck. you are still up as far as I know on the MANY good grades you have got back from ebay buys.
I am jealous of some of them that 39 you got was great!
I realise that buying coins online is always a risky business so you're never going to win every time but by the same token you will occasionally get a coin that was underated by the seller.Overall I've been very lucky so a few bad deals doesn't discourage me but is part of the learning experience
Title: RE: High grade millunium incused
Post by: trout on August 17, 2014, 03:35:04 PM
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='57268' dateline='1408248867'I bought this coin from a seller on Facebook and they said they hadn't
cleaned it but someone obviously did.Would have been a nice coin otherwise

Then you sold it to Me on eBay and didn't charge me for it :angel:
Regardless of what grade this coin came back as I had NO intention of selling it as it was a gift and as I have had many of my gifted coins graded they  will find a special place in my collections and appreciated greatly because of what they are and what they represent, NOT their grades .
You are a Good Bloke Mate :yahoo:
Title: RE: High grade millunium incused
Post by: serial on September 03, 2014, 11:33:09 AM
anyone seen the population increase on pcgs? do you think they are new coin or old ones being re holstered with correct designation?
Title: RE: High grade millunium incused
Post by: stevo1962 on September 03, 2014, 11:53:19 AM
Still not many in the population but they are probably reholdering at no charge
Title: RE: High grade millunium incused
Post by: stevo1962 on September 05, 2014, 12:27:31 PM
New arrival and although not perfect it's far better than
anything I've had before so it's off to PCGS we go

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/2000a1.jpg)
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Title: RE: High grade millunium incused
Post by: serial on September 05, 2014, 01:28:32 PM
looks good, hard to tell with this coin however. good luck
Title: RE: High grade millunium incused
Post by: stevo1962 on September 05, 2014, 01:34:18 PM
Quote from: 'serial' pid='58578' dateline='1409889512'looks good, hard to tell with this coin however. good luck

Thanks Serial it has a little bit of light chatter on both sides
but hardly any wear so I'm hoping it will do well
Title: RE: High grade millunium incused
Post by: runway on September 05, 2014, 11:36:31 PM
That kooks great Steve
Title: RE: High grade millunium incused
Post by: trout on September 06, 2014, 07:40:47 AM
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='58579' dateline='1409889858'
Quote from: 'serial' pid='58578' dateline='1409889512'looks good, hard to tell with this coin however. good luck

Thanks Serial it has a little bit of light chatter on both sides
but hardly any wear so I'm hoping it will do well

I'm thinking AU58 may even go MS.
Very nice coin and Tough to find in this condition :yahoo: