This fake is too rich for me
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/AMAZINGLY-RARE-1930-Penny-London-Die-/251298601640?
I agree Stevo, Basil posted a link under this thread last night.
http://www.australian-coins.net/showthread.php?tid=902&page=8 (http://www.australian-coins.net/showthread.php?tid=902&page=8)
I thought that the 0 in 1930 waS not the correct shape for starters?
Didnt see that but yeah you only had to look at the 0
I sent a question just for the heck of it...
"Has this one been authenticated by the Australian mint? Or, indeed, any well known dealer?
I doubt it will sell at that price (that would be an all time record for a 1930 penny!). Would you consider a reasonable offer?
Thanks"
Wonder what answer I will get, if any.
I will report any answer.
The price seems quite excessive: http://www.noble.com.au/auctions/lot/?id=160707
I'm not too sure about the grade either.
Doesn't it cost money to post on ebay? And isn't the fee associated with how much you start your auction for?
There should be a dis-incentive to stop these sort of auctions going ahead.
Quote from: 'coxspau' pid='20847' dateline='1373369808'Doesn't it cost money to post on ebay? And isn't the fee associated with how much you start your auction for?
There should be a dis-incentive to stop these sort of auctions going ahead.
You can list for free these days but the sting comes when the item is sold (9.9%)
I have just sent the seller an email advising her/him that the coin is a fake. Here is that email:
"I hate to say this but your RARE 1930 penny is a fake. I own two 1930 pennies and yours is not even close to an authentic 1d. The zero of 1930 is incorrect. Please be aware that many fakes of this coin have duped many a coin collector. I believe that if you paid any more than $5.00 for this coin then take it back and seek a refund. Regardless, have you any document at all that certifies this coin as Genuine. Please also be advised that Belinda Downie of Coin Works recently sold a proof 1930 Penny for well in excess of $1,000,000.00 and your coin does not even rate close to this."
Regards
lets see if I get a response.
That's the way Jeff & Goldie ...... go get em!! (Bet their head is spinning now).
I just let him know as well so he has no excuses
Now that epay fixed my account, I mailed him too.
I don't think this seller is answering questions.
Can't think why!
I think the seller knows exactly what they have ! so it's no shock that they won't answer questions & ebay actually frown upon unanswered questions, Hmmmmmm maybe everyone should send them a message LOL.
Maybe if Ebay got a heap of people reporting it as an altered fake they'd take notice.
Click on 'Report Item' on the right hand side of the listing page.
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Quote from: 'Nevol' pid='20984' dateline='1373498504'Maybe if Ebay got a heap of people reporting it as an altered fake they'd take notice.
Click on 'Report Item' on the right hand side of the listing page.
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Been there done that Nevol :ok:
Been there and done that. Still no reply from this seller.
I sent a message to....nothing.
Auction ended no takers.
That's a surprise...NOT!
Got an answer from the seller
Hi there, I apologise for belated reply, but I have been flooded by messages. This coin I have listed is my fathers coin. It currently has no COA, but my father is going to the Australian Mint to get one in a few weeks. He wanted me to list it to see the interest and opinions. It will be for sale when he gets the COA. This coin has been looked at by various coin auctioneers and jewellers who have confirmed it is not a forgery. The London Penny has one side London cast and one side Birmingham, which makes it impossible to forge. There are many who have said they believe it is fake because of the zero being a different shape. The coin dealers dad has taken it to to get it valued have said it is fake, but of course have offered to buy it from him for a pocket money price. I have been with my father at the jewellers and auctioneers, and seen it weighed and watched their reactions when they have viewed it. If you wish to keep informed please mail me your preferred contact. Regards Belinda
Just received the same reply. It will be interesting to see if this shows up again with a certificate from the mint.
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='21423' dateline='1373773752'The London Penny has one side London cast and one side Birmingham, which makes it impossible to forge.
The Birmingham reverse means it is without doubt a fake.
What is really scary is I think this seller truly believes that this piece of junk IS genuine and will go to any lengths to flog it off :dodgy:
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='21423' dateline='1373773752'Got an answer from the seller
Hi there, I apologise for belated reply, but I have been flooded by messages. This coin I have listed is my fathers coin. It currently has no COA, but my father is going to the Australian Mint to get one in a few weeks. He wanted me to list it to see the interest and opinions. It will be for sale when he gets the COA. This coin has been looked at by various coin auctioneers and jewellers who have confirmed it is not a forgery. The London Penny has one side London cast and one side Birmingham, which makes it impossible to forge. There are many who have said they believe it is fake because of the zero being a different shape. The coin dealers dad has taken it to to get it valued have said it is fake, but of course have offered to buy it from him for a pocket money price. I have been with my father at the jewellers and auctioneers, and seen it weighed and watched their reactions when they have viewed it. If you wish to keep informed please mail me your preferred contact. Regards Belinda
What a load of trash. I was one of the last to get coins certified at the RAM in Canberra and they ceased doing it several years ago. The reason they ceased it was because of public Liability.
I had a 1930 Penny, a 1923 Halfpenny and a 1921/22 Threepence certified by the RAM at the same time by a Mr. John A____n and it cost $120.00 per coin. Several months later, I wanted my second 1930 Penny and second 1923 Halfpenny certified. Drove to Canberra after making contact with the RAM on the Thursday, delivered the coins on the Monday and two gents came down and met my wife and I and informed us QUIOTE "That as of last Friday, the CEO of RAM had issued an order that the RAM was no longer to certify coins due to public liability reasons". What a wasted trip from Melbourne to Canberra for nothing. I was also informed that Mr. John A____n had resigned from the mint.
So whatever this seller is saying, is a load of crap or whatever you want to call it. The coin will not/never be certified by the RAM.
Further, by signing off as "Belinda", is the seller trying to impersonate Belinda Downie?
If this seller genuinely feels this coin is real then a simple submission to PCGS would be the only way to get it authenticated :ok:
You ARE a dark horse Goldie , two 1930 pennies :drooling:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='21447' dateline='1373780635'If this seller genuinely feels this coin is real then a simple submission to PCGS would be the only way to get it authenticated :ok:
You ARE a dark horse Goldie , two 1930 pennies :drooling:
And I want another one of each for my own collection.
The other coins are one of each for my son and daughter.
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='21451' dateline='1373781122'Quote from: 'trout' pid='21447' dateline='1373780635'If this seller genuinely feels this coin is real then a simple submission to PCGS would be the only way to get it authenticated :ok:
You ARE a dark horse Goldie , two 1930 pennies :drooling:
And I want another one of each for my own collection.
The other coins are one of each for my son and daughter.
The adoption papers are on their way "Dad" :laugh2:
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The adoption papers are on their way "Dad" :laugh2:
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That's very funny Jim :laughingneqw:
I HAVE JUST RECEIVED THE SAME RESPONSE FORM THE SELLER OF THE 1930 PENNY AS EVERYONE ELSE AND I HAVE RESPONDED WITH THE FOLLOWING:
QUOTE:
I wish you luck in trying to get the coin Certified by the RAM as they ceased doing Certifications several years ago due to "public liability" concerns. Regardless, your coin is definitely a fake. I can assure you that 1930 penny exists with the Birmingham Die. Your coin is a cheap import from CHINA and can be bought from most coin dealers for $20-$25.00 for space fillers only. As I said in my previous emails to you, a respected Melbourne coin dealer recently sold a PROOF 1930 penny for $1,000,000.00. Yours does not compare to this coin nor does it compare to either of my two 1930 pennies. The sale of this coin is a sham and should be removed forthwith from sale and a public apology put in its place. I know for sure that you have received many emails re this coin you are passing off and they are all of the sale content. Further, if the coin is for real, which it isn't, why not put some of these questions into your ad so that anyone can read the emails and your responses. You have now been placed on my BANNED LIST.
UNQUOTE
Now lets see if she comes back again.
QuoteThe adoption papers are on their way "Dad" :Laugh2:
haha friken brilliant!
I received the exact same reply as Gold seeker yesterday.
Then, 3 minutes later, "Once My father has the COA, I assume the price will be more than reasonable
as it is not the normal 1930 penny but is the rare London die. Anyway, send
me contact details if you wish to keep informed. Kind regards Belinda".
That's it for me with this one -won't bother to send details.
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='21523' dateline='1373837840'That's it for me with this one -won't bother to send details.
Heh. Belinda's been at it for a while now. This from Sterling's 1930 page:
"My father has a coin that the jewellers have described as amazing and not a forgery, however when he took it to dealers to get a valuation xray and slab etc they just said it would not be real...they did not even weigh it or look under microscope..The jewellers and auctioneers he took it to locally could not fault it and were amazed, hoping he would list it with them to sell, but recommended valuation certificate first...I have copies of the photos if you are interested in valuing and possibly finding buyers for him...I think the guys in Melbourne are missing out on the sale of one of the super rare London mint coins which is in superb condition..
- Belinda"
This seller does give the impression that she sincerely believes the coin is genuine, despite everything she has been told by collectors such as yourselves and the dealer's she's contacted for authentication. It is just a coincidence that her name is Belinda, I don't believe she's attempting to impersonate Belinda Downie in any way.
There was that documentary a few years back about a lady in the US that found a painting she believed was a genuine Jackson Pollock - it's called "Who the *$&% Is Jackson Pollock?", a very interesting watch indeed. Despite the differing circumstances, it reminds me of this situation. Do a google search and you can view the trailer online.
Quote from: 'acrellin' pid='21543' dateline='1373854689'This seller does give the impression that she sincerely believes the coin is genuine, despite everything she has been told by collectors such as yourselves and the dealer's she's contacted for authentication. It is just a coincidence that her name is Belinda, I don't believe she's attempting to impersonate Belinda Downie in any way.
There was that documentary a few years back about a lady in the US that found a painting she believed was a genuine Jackson Pollock - it's called "Who the *$&% Is Jackson Pollock?", a very interesting watch indeed. Despite the differing circumstances, it reminds me of this situation. Do a google search and you can view the trailer online.
Found the documentary on youtube with Spanish subtitles, but still in English.
For both this painting, and the coin in the eBay listing, if you can't believe the experts, then who will believe you ?
As I mentioned, these two situations are slightly different in that this item is clearly not genuine - the similarlity lies in the attitude of the people concerned. There wouldn't be an expert in Australia that could authenticate this coin.
I can understand her mindset. Its dad's, and he's had it forever, so it must be real. But without knowing how and when he came by it, that is an irrelevancy. One which she refuses to discount.
Suppose someone bought a fake, and had it in their album, or on display, or even in their pocket. Suppose further that they were robbed, and their collection was broken up, and possibly spent. Her dad comes across this coin in circulation, and thinks he's hit the jackpot.
We know this happens, because we all have NCLT coins which came out of circulation. How would you react if someone told you your VC $1 was a fake? Especially if you knew nothing about coins?
Sad part is I doubt it would ever be possible to convince her, even if you handed her an identical coin.
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='21569' dateline='1373874163'I can understand her mindset. Its dad's, and he's had it forever, so it must be real. But without knowing how and when he came by it, that is an irrelevancy. One which she refuses to discount.
Suppose someone bought a fake, and had it in their album, or on display, or even in their pocket. Suppose further that they were robbed, and their collection was broken up, and possibly spent. Her dad comes across this coin in circulation, and thinks he's hit the jackpot.
We know this happens, because we all have NCLT coins which came out of circulation. How would you react if someone told you your VC $1 was a fake? Especially if you knew nothing about coins?
Sad part is I doubt it would ever be possible to convince her, even if you handed her an identical coin.
I think it is hard to convince someone that has already spent the million bucks in their dreams that their hopes a founded on smoke and mirrors.
A simple submission to PCGS and a bit of a wait and a few bucks would settle this for poor ol "Belinda" :ok:
Why does the seller ignore many emails/questions etc that is advising her that this coin is a fake.
Something is very fishy here and her name is Belinda.
I am afraid I don't get the connection with the comment "This from Sterling's 1930 page" above?
QuoteI am afraid I don't get the connection with the comment "This from Sterling's 1930 page" above?
Neither do I, If it was B , Downies coin then she would know how to get this authenticated or dispelled as a fake :ok:
I simply think that some poor bugger named Belinda has access to this coin and really thinks/hopes it is genuine and it will make a huge difference in her financial situation ( poor sod)
And Fulvio ya have to stop pinching the kids Green tobacco Mate :angel:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='21607' dateline='1373887583'And Fulvio ya have to stop pinching the kids Green tobacco Mate
Haven't been anywhere
near AJ. Really. :angel:
Anyway, the page in question is:
http://www.sterlingcurrency.com.au/research/1930-penny-australias-best-known-rare-coin
Second comment down.
Do we need to start holding Google classes for old folks or what? :diablo:
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='21611' dateline='1373887944'Quote from: 'trout' pid='21607' dateline='1373887583'And Fulvio ya have to stop pinching the kids Green tobacco Mate
Haven't been anywhere near AJ. Really. :angel:
Anyway, the page in question is:
http://www.sterlingcurrency.com.au/research/1930-penny-australias-best-known-rare-coin
Second comment down.
Do we need to start holding Google classes for old folks or what? :diablo:
BeJesus you are quick mate :good::laugh2:
AJ AJ AJ, haven't seen him online for a bit, and I sent him a pretty email a few days ago too! aww
Quote from: 'Australian coin' pid='21618' dateline='1373889483'AJ AJ AJ, haven't seen him online for a bit, and I sent him a pretty email a few days ago too! aww
The cold weather knocks the little sod about Mate, Or he is just building up strength to shit stir again :diablo::laugh2:
Another fake 1930 penny but not as expensive
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/one-Penny-1930-1946-1925-1911-1964-/190868628693?
I got the following reply about how the coin was obtained...
"My father bought this coin from a man who has had it for over thirty years. He had bought it from a man in NSW who's father had died and when he was cleaning out his things, sold everything including this coin which was in a jar on his fathers mantle piece. Quite an amazing bargain bought at the right time and place. Anyway feel free to send contact details if you wish to keep informed. Best wishes Belinda"
Let's give the seller the benefit of the doubt and assume the person genuinely believes the coin is authentic. In that case their "bargain bought at the right time and place" could very well be a 4 to 5 figure loss. This person may also be a victim.
Obviously no excuse particularly given the rediculous price they are asking but naivety is a possibility.
Perhaps someone should invite Belinda into the forum? If she's a victim, it could be good therapy. ;)