anyone know what the mint issues in PVC these day..just want to know so I can get it out, like are my wedding sets in PVC :huh:
Nothing. PVC was discontinued for all their packaging decades ago.
The outer plastic on the 2 coin unc sets can be given the heave-ho.
Anything around a PNC also can go in the bin.
That's the first 2 just off the top of my head.
AJ your weddings sets should be fine , they are in capsules ,which are scratch resistant acrylic.Chemically inert. Acid and softener-free .
thanks belly, I thought they were all good but just checkin :good:
and thanks PP and anything else you can think of please list as I have a few things like the 1987 nsw $10 in a little blue floder, I'll have look and list what else I'm suss on, cheers
The little blue folders were PVC, IIRC. :(
Basically, look out for soft vinyl packaging. PVC is a hard plastic (which is why they make sewerage pipes and the like from it). To make it pliable, they use plasticisers, which are what kill your coins. They leach out over time, and the reaction with moisture in the air produces acid which eats your treasures away.
Hard PVC should be safe enough, at least short-term. Coins in sealed packaging should also be safe even in an outer PVC sleeve, however anything else stored nearby is at risk.
The biggest issue, apart from old mint packaging, is PVC storage products. A lot of album pages were PVC, including just about all slide albums. They're pretty easy to spot, by the look, feel and smell of the stuff.
thanks for that advice guys , looks like I will have to remove all my
$ 10.00 , state series coins out of their packing also .. I never new it was pvc package ,,. ,, kel ,,
just checked them and the coins are in a cardboard sleeve with a see through window , would that help protect them ..?? ,, kel ,,
right, here's a quick scan of a couple so state and pnc out for sure, what about the others :scratch_one-s_head:
(http://i41.tinypic.com/22xhc.jpg)
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='18958' dateline='1371859572'right, here's a quick scan of a couple so state and pnc out for sure, what about the others :scratch_one-s_head:
(http://i41.tinypic.com/22xhc.jpg)
A J , do you think it is still ok in that blue case , it is cardboard with a see through plastic insert ,..sorry but I did not know that . ,, kel ,,
I'm not sure either sorry Kel, so hope we get an answer :)
The simple test for PVC is: is the plastic hard and rigid, or soft and flexible? Hard rigid plastic should be OK for medium and long-term storage. If the plastic is flexible, it's been made flexible by adding plasticizer, and it's the plasticizers in PVC that do the damage over time, rather than the PVC itself.
umm so what if it's not really hard as in the capsules but not soft either..eg mint sets and the one's like the $1 bluebell as they do have a little flex in them..sorry Sap but thanks for your help so far :good:
http://science.howstuffworks.com/plastic4.htm
"Polyvinyl Chloride (PVC): PVC is a thermoplastic that is formed when vinyl chloride (CH2=CH-Cl) polymerizes. When made, it's brittle, so manufacturers add a plasticizer liquid to make it soft and moldable. PVC is commonly used for pipes and plumbing because it's durable, can't be corroded and is cheaper than metal pipes. Over long periods of time, however, the plasticizer may leach out of it, rendering it brittle and breakable."
Which is why your car dashboard self-destructs. ;)
And here are the number codes. 3 is the bad stuff. ;)
http://www.qualitylogoproducts.com/lib/different-types-of-plastic.htm
You may also want to read what the government has to say about document storage:
http://www.aiatsis.gov.au/collections/family.html
"There are a range of plastic sleeves that are suitable for use with archival records. "Good" plastics are polyethylene (HDPE and LDPE), polypropylene (PP) and polyester (PET). For archival storage, polyester is the most stable choice. Polyvinyl chloride (PVC or vinyl) should be avoided. This is the plastic that has that characteristic plastic smell and an oily quality to the surface. PVC will, over time, release vapours which are acidic and extremely damaging to photographs and paper documents. It can also cause some media, like photocopy toner, to soften and stick to the plastic or other sheets."
Good hint in there about oven bags too. You learn something new every day, eh? :)
Hmm.. you could make 10,000 2x2's out of this roll for $185 (which sounds like its way overpriced anyway):
http://zettaflorence.com.au/fabric-a-film/detail/788/flypage/1206?sef=hcfp
I was at office works last week-end and bloke there was also buying the polypropylene binders and sleeves for photographs
he said he had done a session with the national archives and they gave them the names/types of products that office works sell that are suitable for archival storage
I grabbed a few of the binders to replace my old ones
they also had 'non PVC' binders although it didn't say what they were made out of - selling them as an eco friendly product
•PVC free, non-toxic and earth friendly
it also turned out the large Bantex folders that we have been using for a fair while are polypropylene as well
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='18972' dateline='1371866389'umm so what if it's not really hard as in the capsules but not soft either..eg mint sets and the one's like the $1 bluebell as they do have a little flex in them..sorry Sap but thanks for your help so far :good:
I don't believe mint sets (post 1984) are PVC, and looking at the $10 it doesn't look like it's in PVC to me.
QuoteI don't believe mint sets (post 1984) are PVC, and looking at the $10 it doesn't look like it's in PVC to me.
If you want/need to keep the coin in it's original packaging Then that is your choice, But believe me it IS PVC and will damage the coin over time :ok:
The only plastic that I know of that is flexible and inert is the mylar used in 2x2's.
Are you sure? I know the early mint sets are PVC but I was under the impression that anything recent isn't (except for some of the sleeves).
I think some of the state series $10 are in pvc, I can't be exact though. Some of the 1988 $5 parliament house commonwealth bank coins are in pvc, the open pack type.
Ok, an example to be a bit more specific. This is PVC, pull the cardboard and the coin out. The wallet is pvc.
ebay example (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Australian-Coin-State-Series-10-Silver-1987-New-South-Wales-Uncirculated-/181162812220?pt=AU_Coins2&hash=item2a2e25233c&_uhb=1)
EEEEEEEEEEEEE, this was suppose to help me..I know it will cost me heaps but maybe I'm better off paying the extra and put good coins in capsules as they seem to be the ones that everyone agrees are the goods, just makes it an expensive exercise but if it saves the coin and the value of it, well they're more than likely worth it..but more thought needed and thanks heaps for the replys I appreciate it as it gives us an idea what others think what is and isn't pvc :good:
Have you tried saflips yet AJ? If not i'll send you some to try.
Not really Matty as I'm still trying all different things to find what one's for me, I only have a few that coins have been sent in them and I started to use 2x2 and the blue boxes and they are good but the only thing that lets them down is you have to pull the coin out to see it where as albums you can see all the coin but I really don't like the idea of coins sitting on top of each other as the last time I done that I stuffed a heap of coins but admittedly they were in pvc sheets (bad stuff that crap :(
No offence and thank you very much for the offer Matty but I think I'll work out what way I'm going first as your heat sealer set up isn't lookin to bad either if I can work out how to stack/store them, we need pages that they can slip into and not touch other coins..I'll let you have a bit of time to think about that but I'm sure you'll come up with a good idea for us and make you supper rich :winkextra:
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='18918' dateline='1371810766'The outer plastic on the 2 coin unc sets can be given the heave-ho.
Anything around a PNC also can go in the bin.
That's the first 2 just off the top of my head.
Looks like more crap to get rid of.
Thanks AJ for bringing this to attention. So sad. Why do they keep doing this to us. We pay enough for their coins, so why sell them in crappy clear envelopes.
At least this is acid and PVC free https://eshop.ramint.gov.au/2012-Royal-Collection-Album-1977-to-2012/710003.aspx
At least thats what they wrote back and told me.
Quote from: 'lacey' pid='19102' dateline='1372032984'Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='18918' dateline='1371810766'The outer plastic on the 2 coin unc sets can be given the heave-ho.
Anything around a PNC also can go in the bin.
That's the first 2 just off the top of my head.
Looks like more crap to get rid of.
Thanks AJ for bringing this to attention. So sad. Why do they keep doing this to us. We pay enough for their coins, so why sell them in crappy clear envelopes.
At least this is acid and PVC free https://eshop.ramint.gov.au/2012-Royal-Collection-Album-1977-to-2012/710003.aspx
At least thats what they wrote back and told me.
the pages may be PVC free but I am willing to bet that the cover is that soft PVC crap :ok:
Using the saflips the coins dont touch each other AJ. I'll send you some so you can see how i did it. I owe you a favor anyway ;)
This is typical PVC damage :ok:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/pvc1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/pvc.jpg)
This is after a bath in acetone, Another perfectly good coin buggered :dash1:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/pvc2.jpg)
the 1982 pvc albums are shockers for turning into an oily mess
don't know who made them for the mint but they are shockers
yep I bought an '82 set and complained to the seller. The coins were still swimming in muck. he should have removed them but he said, no one should ever remove coins. It's best to leave them alone. Sick as, if you ask me. I never bought off him again, although now I couldn't tell you who he was/is. Someone up this way tho
and don't forget this one
Quote from: 'lacey' pid='19141' dateline='1372045805'and don't forget this one
Ah, yes.. I remember those. I thought at the time they were a bad idea.
Thanks Matty but I owed you mate ;)
and glad you put up those other holder lacey as I was thinking about getting some but not now, thanks mate :winkextra: