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Title: 1955 Halfpenny Tilted 5 Variety
Post by: Fr45h3R on June 15, 2013, 11:19:40 AM
Hi All,
I've seen this on eBay, and can't tell the difference.
Anyone have examples of both that clearly shows this ?

Here is one from eBay.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1955-tilted-5-Australia-Half-Penny-gEF-Registered-V-RARE-filled-die-/220999908822

Here are that dates from my 3, with the date from the eBay listing down the bottom.
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-rob
Title: RE: 1955 Halfpenny Tilted 5 Variety
Post by: Robster on June 15, 2013, 11:43:49 AM
(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o787/robster836/037_zpsc06837ba.jpg)(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o787/robster836/034_zps478d2aa8.jpg)
A couple of examples of figure 5 tilted left/filled die.
Title: RE: 1955 Halfpenny Tilted 5 Variety
Post by: Fr45h3R on June 15, 2013, 11:51:02 AM
Thanks Robster,
Last example is shows it clearly. Not sure why it's called tilted 5, they all look tilted to me.

-rob
Title: RE: 1955 Halfpenny Tilted 5 Variety
Post by: Robster on June 15, 2013, 12:00:36 PM
I have a few more- we could both be Millionaires.!! LOL.
Title: RE: 1955 Halfpenny Tilted 5 Variety
Post by: Fr45h3R on June 15, 2013, 12:05:11 PM
Not me I'm afraid.
Your ones have a thicker first 5, which i'm guessing is the variety.
Wonder where the $900 figure comes from in the eBay listing.
Title: RE: 1955 Halfpenny Tilted 5 Variety
Post by: Robster on June 15, 2013, 12:07:47 PM
Advertising is based on "Fooling most of the people most of the time.!!:dodgy:

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o787/robster836/022_zps22b85632.jpg)
One with a cool lamination flaw.!!
Title: RE: 1955 Halfpenny Tilted 5 Variety
Post by: robbiegal on June 15, 2013, 12:47:09 PM
you'd need callipers to really determine this error , wouldn't you?
is it an optical illusion?
or a fat 5?
Title: RE: 1955 Halfpenny Tilted 5 Variety
Post by: Robster on June 15, 2013, 12:54:46 PM
Rennicks describes it as "Weak Flat 55's-First 5 tilts left.!! (Rare)
Title: RE: 1955 Halfpenny Tilted 5 Variety
Post by: Fr45h3R on June 15, 2013, 01:02:04 PM
Quote from: 'Robster' pid='18302' dateline='1371266686'Rennicks describes it as "Weak Flat 55's-First 5 tilts left.!! (Rare)

"Weak Flat" is missing in the eBay listing and what would actually make sense.

Because Renniks lists it as rare, you must add 3 0's to the price ?
Title: RE: 1955 Halfpenny Tilted 5 Variety
Post by: MattGold on June 15, 2013, 03:46:02 PM
Out of the 5 half pennies that I have left this was the only 1955 in them.
(http://i43.tinypic.com/2samrv5.jpg)
Title: RE: 1955 Halfpenny Tilted 5 Variety
Post by: robbiegal on June 16, 2013, 09:21:04 AM
I can't get my head around this error
I looked through most of my 1955 halfp's ;and night and they all look the same
it just looks like a rather plump & rough figure 5 to me

I have a few kilos of halfpennies  in a basket, so when I get the energy i'll go through them
but I went through 10 last night, and I swear they all look the same
Title: RE: 1955 Halfpenny Tilted 5 Variety
Post by: MattGold on June 16, 2013, 09:48:41 AM
I don't get it neither, I have been looking on ebay at the 55 half penny and a lot of them look like the ones pictured on this post... So to me that either means that the variety isn't rare or people just don't know about it yet...

By the way, does the 55 that I posted look like the tilted 5?

Matt
Title: RE: 1955 Halfpenny Tilted 5 Variety
Post by: Robster on June 16, 2013, 10:33:48 AM
I had a pool of approx. 70 1955 halfpennies. Most of these were noodled 50 years ago, so my percentages would obviously be much higher. I have discovered 7 with the infamous straight die crack through the Y of NNY (Renniks Rare) , about 10 with the flat 55's, 6 with doubling of the 55's and a rather high percentage of lamination flaws.
Those with doubling are not flat but the first 5 looks tilted. I therefore surmise that it is the combination of flat 55s and tilt that make it an error.    Prof. Robster.:exclamation:
Title: RE: 1955 Halfpenny Tilted 5 Variety
Post by: Unicorn on June 16, 2013, 10:38:13 AM
Robster ....
Quoteflat 55s
...... sounds like Frankie J Holden has a sore throat! .......
Title: RE: 1955 Halfpenny Tilted 5 Variety
Post by: Robster on June 16, 2013, 11:07:21 AM
You just can't help yourself, can you. :dodgy:
Title: RE: 1955 Halfpenny Tilted 5 Variety
Post by: robbiegal on June 16, 2013, 11:22:23 AM
thanks Prof Robster
Title: RE: 1955 Halfpenny Tilted 5 Variety
Post by: Fordprefect on June 16, 2013, 11:39:31 AM
With the'55 Halfpenny it's about alignment
of the back of the five relative to Rim Denticles.
(Denticles 1 and 2, left of Penny)

The Black Line from denticle 2 is Aligned 5.

The White Line is the Tilted 5 which aligns with Denticle 1
(Your coin No. 2 Robster, The 5 is Upright.)

(http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv160/ford_prefect/Australian%20Coin%20Forum/1955HalfAlignment_zps46f3a64a.jpg)
Title: RE: 1955 Halfpenny Tilted 5 Variety
Post by: Unicorn on June 16, 2013, 11:50:12 AM
QuoteYou just can't help yourself, can you.

Prof Robster ..... yes .... I'm just here Living for Your Smile you heard their song about the double obverse mule eh ....... Two Faces Have I ...... I've been on the Prowl for one of those for ages ...... but it's a task similar to Looking for an echo ..... found one of those little yellowy Charles and Diana 50c though ...... :angel:
Title: RE: 1955 Halfpenny Tilted 5 Variety
Post by: Robster on June 16, 2013, 12:27:41 PM
Thanks FP, makes it much easier with your fine pics.!!!
Title: RE: 1955 Halfpenny Tilted 5 Variety
Post by: Fr45h3R on June 16, 2013, 02:02:14 PM
Thanks Fordprefect!
Title: RE: 1955 Halfpenny Tilted 5 Variety
Post by: robbiegal on June 16, 2013, 04:15:19 PM
ok
so we have Prof Robster
And Dr Fordie

I love it!