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Title: The $2250 fake
Post by: wwwww on October 04, 2012, 11:01:52 AM
Anyone else notice the $2250 fake in the latest CAB magazine?
Title: RE: The $2250 fake
Post by: markn on October 04, 2012, 12:00:21 PM
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='1170' dateline='1349314312'Anyone else notice the $2250 fake in the latest CAB magazine?

Hi Walter,

I guess you're talking about the 1922/1 overdate 3d in the letters section.  It certainly looks like a shocking coin.  What makes it a fake?  Not doubting what you're seeing I just don't know what the indicators are.

Mark
Title: RE: The $2250 fake
Post by: purplepennyhunter on October 04, 2012, 12:09:38 PM
It does look awfully corroded and blackened. Could anyone really say from that image if it were genuine or not?
Title: RE: The $2250 fake
Post by: wwwww on October 04, 2012, 12:40:36 PM
The date letters are far too thin, the 2/1 is incorrectly shaped, the date is mis-aligned, it's a modern copy, most likely of Chinese origins. Here's a photo of it for anyone without a copy.

(http://downloads.putme.net/IMG_1027.jpg)

Here's a real one for comparison:

(http://images.numismatics.com.au/jpg/photos/PCGS/26286528-rev.jpg)
Title: RE: The $2250 fake
Post by: markn on October 04, 2012, 12:43:42 PM
Thanks Walter! Anyone have a picture of a real overdate we can use so the two can be shown side by side?
Title: RE: The $2250 fake
Post by: Mister T on October 04, 2012, 12:49:29 PM
I thought it was a fake straight away because the 1 in the overdate looked too thin. I was surprised the letter didn't mention it.
Some pictures of the real deal are here: http://triton.vg/T22.html
Title: RE: The $2250 fake
Post by: purplepennyhunter on October 04, 2012, 01:02:38 PM
The lettering all over is too thin. I assumed that was a product of the corrosion.
Title: RE: The $2250 fake
Post by: markn on October 04, 2012, 01:04:54 PM
Thanks Walter. :thank_you:

(http://www.timeclockmts.com/coins/1922-1-overdate-comparison.jpg)
Title: RE: The $2250 fake
Post by: wwwww on October 04, 2012, 01:07:03 PM
Here's another one from the same production line that sold on eBay last year:

(http://downloads.putme.net/rev.JPG)
(http://downloads.putme.net/obv.JPG)

PDF of eBay Listing (http://www.putme.net/fake22.pdf)
Title: RE: The $2250 fake
Post by: purplepennyhunter on October 04, 2012, 01:10:10 PM
Yes and this one.
Forgery (http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?id=SLVnRPaRSSc=)
Title: RE: The $2250 fake
Post by: wwwww on October 04, 2012, 01:11:19 PM
On 2nd thought the shape of the 9 is slightly different so maybe they're from different sources, the flat top of the 2 is similar in both of the fakes though.
Title: RE: The $2250 fake
Post by: dcoin on October 04, 2012, 09:08:00 PM
That one in the CAB magazine struck me as a fake, the letters in the date aren't big/wide enough. That one you have pictured in this thread Walter is a shocker, I don't collect overdates so I don't know exactly how I can tell it is fake other than to say the whole thing looks awful (spark erosion???).
Title: RE: The $2250 fake
Post by: chookcity on October 04, 2012, 09:15:13 PM
Makes my old mate Steele look a bit silly. Lol. :dodgy:
Title: RE: The $2250 fake
Post by: Australian coin on October 05, 2012, 10:55:58 AM
I know how to tell the difference, but the second pic you provided was also not real.
The one in the triton link is real
Title: RE: The $2250 fake
Post by: wwwww on October 05, 2012, 12:42:47 PM
Quote from: 'Australian coin' pid='1208' dateline='1349400358'I know how to tell the difference, but the second pic you provided was also not real.
The one in the triton link is real

No it's real, the picture is from PCGS's secure plus photo (which is notoriously shallow), the roo appears to be missing his private parts (a characteristic of genuine overdates) but it's definitely there. I will get another photo shortly.

(http://downloads.putme.net/odrev.jpg)

Here's another photo which clearly shows the part.
Title: RE: The $2250 fake
Post by: Australian coin on October 05, 2012, 12:47:31 PM
he he private parts, I think you already told me that once before on CCF, but I have learnt a few more tell tale signs of what to look for since then :P