Today I got my coin albums from purplepenny, sweet all good, but Houston I have a problem, the plastic coin sheets that the coins go in are OK but if the album somehow goes upside down, guess what happens to all the coins?? yep they all fall out.
So,
What do you do/use to stop them from falling out?
Also I am going to keep all the commemorative coins I find and only have the best quality coins in the album, so I want to order a stack of those carboard holders to store each coin in and put them in shoe boxes.
Do they have a plastic cover over the hole to stop them falling out?? Stupid question I know but the pictures seem to show just a peice of cardboard with ahole in it but nothing to stop the coin from falling out???
Are all the coins in the Saflips or a cardboard 2x2? They need to be, the pages aren't intended to hold a coin by themselves.
What album are you using? Our Purple Penny albums have an outer slipcover which does prevent the odd coin that may come loose from going missing! The polypropylene 20 pocket page material can be a little slippery especially when comparing them with pvc pages but I'm sure everyone here will agree pvc pages are a big no-no.
The mini album pages do have that safety flap because the album does not have a complete cover.
funny that, I have seen old paper coin holders that did have a separate clear strip that looked as if you had to pop the clear strip in, then fold the holder, pop the coin in and staple the holder closed
the only ones I have ever used have the clear myler strip already glued in
some you have to staple
others have adhesive and stick together once to close it over and they are a buggar to get the coins out of!
Quote from: 'error hunter' pid='17864' dateline='1371034252'What do you do/use to stop them from falling out?
I use bog-standard 3-ring binders, and fold a calico sack over the top of the pages. Works like a charm,
AND its free. :) Oh, and yes, you want each coin in a 2x2, or you can cheat and use carefully-folded coin bags
(also free).
Quote from: 'error hunter' pid='17864' dateline='1371034252'those carboard holders to store each coin in and put them in shoe boxes.
Noooooooo!!!!!!!! Not shoe boxes! 2x2's are the same size as 35mm slides, so I use slide trays to hold excess stock
(put them in on their sides cos the tab stops them fitting in the case). 100 or even 160
(Agfa CS system) per box, though I must admit to a little nervousness about exactly what they're made of. I assumed ABS, which should be safe, but I'm having some niggling doubts. Not that it would be a problem unless the mounts pop open, which the self-adhesive ones are prone to doing
(easily fixed with some double-sided transfer tape though).
Sorry for my late reply, the coins are in neither so today I ordered a few hundred of each size of the staple cardboard holders, that will solve the problem.
I've no idea where I would get slide tray holders, I used to shoot trannies when I had a photography business but haven't shot a roll of slide film for 10 years, maybe I post on a photography forum that I need slide trays??
Quote from: 'error hunter' pid='17988' dateline='1371112514'I've no idea where I would get slide tray holders, I used to shoot trannies when I had a photography business but haven't shot a roll of slide film for 10 years, maybe I post on a photography forum that I need slide trays??
Yeah, could be iffy nowadays. But Google might help. Just stay away from things like Carousels, because the tabs will stick out the top and prevent them stacking.
I'll try and take some piccies once I wake up properly, and maybe of how I store my bulk finds too. For example, I have UltraPro 15-pocket cigarette card pages, into which I put 4 coins per slot in a folded coin bag. That's 55 per page
(3 in the top row, cos they're too tall), so I can keep all of one type of error in one place. Saves a fortune in storage costs.
Quote from: 'error hunter' pid='17988' dateline='1371112514'I ordered a few hundred of each size of the staple cardboard holders, that will solve the problem.
I hope so but they didn't work for me. I started out with the staple kind :dodgy: then tried the adhesive kind :( Apart from anything else keeping track of all the different sizes was :ireful: Now I use saflips (one size fits all) and I can report they are very :good:
Quote from: 'r9453' pid='18125' dateline='1371181505'Now I use saflips (one size fits all) and I can report they are very :good:
My only issue with flips is the coin is free to wander around inside them. Useless for things like upsets for example. That's why I go the ziplock route for bulk stuff and 2x2's for things worthy of them.
Now if there was say a blow-moulded insert for a saflip,
THAT would make them
totally awesome.
I have a few if these and they are beaut for large storage in small spaces!
http://www.renniks.com/main.aspx?pageid=391&cat=&pid=3939
Yep :good: to them robbie, I have 7 and find they're really good :) just wish they were a bit cheaper like $5
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='18154' dateline='1371195608'I have a few if these and they are beaut for large storage in small spaces!
http://www.renniks.com/main.aspx?pageid=391&cat=&pid=3939
Just like the slide holders, only slightly taller. But $16.50? Seriously??? :(
wot's wrong with $16.50 ?
$5 tops :)
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='18151' dateline='1371195087'My only issue with flips is the coin is free to wander around inside them. Useless for things like upsets for example. That's why I go the ziplock route for bulk stuff and 2x2's for things worthy of them.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10103/icon_smile_agree.gif) not so good for upsets. I have found that once the saflip is in the album pocket the coin (even 1 cent or 3 pence) tends to stay put. Note I usually position the coin in one of the bottom corners depending on my notes.
I have to admit that as soon as the saflip is removed from the pocket (something I do regularly) the coins go :wavemulticolor: :s
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='18168' dateline='1371198840'$5 tops :)
you can't buy them for $5
well I never have
found this one on ebay
cheapest I've ever seen them!
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Lighthouse-coin-box-for-100-coin-holders-2-x-2-/180879937546?pt=UK_Coins_Supplies_RL&hash=item2a1d48d00a
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='18154' dateline='1371195608'I have a few if these and they are beaut for large storage in small spaces!
http://www.renniks.com/main.aspx?pageid=391&cat=&pid=3939
I have one of these. I don't like it because the lid isn't secure.
Keep an eye out at markets for obsolete
3 1/2" floppy disc storage boxes.
Can hold up to 120 2X2
PCGS slabs fit in them as well.
Lockable lid too.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/13-Slide-trays-which-hold-100-slides-each-/121125849162?pt=UK_Photography_Slide_Trays_Carousels&hash=item1c33a9c84a
OK, its in the UK, but 1,300 2x2's for one quid is hard to beat. And I bet they turn up locally at similar prices.
mine all sit there empty now cause I use the saflips
no stapling anymore which I luuuvvvv
but the little flippy thing doesn't sit right in the box, so mine are just in a little stack in the cupboard
they are useless for anything else really
:( sorry I just meant that I think they should be $5
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='18206' dateline='1371207130'mine all sit there empty now cause I use the saflips
no stapling anymore which I luuuvvvv
but the little flippy thing doesn't sit right in the box, so mine are just in a little stack in the cupboard
they are useless for anything else really
:hi: You mean the old 2x2s sit there empty? Mine too, I can't toss em cause I paid good $ for them.
Are you saying you have saflips not in album pages? :dontknow: At this stage I only have 500 saflips and they are reserved for my best coins which I place in an album pocket. In fact I have 1500 non-PVC album pockets waiting for saflips to replace the old 2x2s.
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didn't mean you to feel hassled Jack
Quote from: 'r9453' pid='18211' dateline='1371208608'Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='18206' dateline='1371207130'mine all sit there empty now cause I use the saflips
no stapling anymore which I luuuvvvv
but the little flippy thing doesn't sit right in the box, so mine are just in a little stack in the cupboard
they are useless for anything else really
:hi: You mean the old 2x2s sit there empty? Mine too, I can't toss em cause I paid good $ for them.
Are you saying you have saflips not in album pages? :dontknow: At this stage I only have 500 saflips and they are reserved for my best coins which I place in an album pocket. In fact I have 1500 non-PVC album pockets waiting for saflips to replace the old 2x2s.
Don't you ?
Me right now.
(http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv160/ford_prefect/Australian%20Coin%20Forum/IMG_2094_700_zpsbd60abba.jpg)
all good robbie, just like most others here I've found out the hard and expensive way about PVC storage as I had those stinkin A4 pages and I've been using 2x2's and some of those plastic jobs but still looking for something nice and only keep good coins or rare like the wavy66 or incuse 50 :)
Quote from: 'Fordprefect' pid='18217' dateline='1371209249'Don't you ?
Me right now.
Ack! No I don't, like I said I have album space available. Gawd, Rob the Elder :big_boss:
Fordie
I have my coins in flips in pages in albums
I don't have a lot - just a few shelves of albums
some other coins in the eagles
the old coin boxes are empty and yes, hundreds of paper 2x2's in a box 'ýa never know when you'll use them'
gradually selling them off to the hubby
totally awesome thanks heaps robbie and you have some nice coins there :good:
ooops
they are supposed to be in another thread
i'll have moved the pics over
sorry ... Robbie
OK, since I promised to document my workflow and storage, here's a few quick pics. Pardon the lighting, the only flat surface handy was the pool table, which is not set up for photography. Also, for those who don't know how to build HTML pages, I've put a very simple index.html in this folder, which you can use View Source in your browser to have a look at:
http://goo.gl/mJ7BW
Click the link above for all the pics.
(http://goo.gl/FCZ6Z)
Now, basically I start with a stack of those 500g mushroom tubs Aldi and others sell them in. Really good cos they're tough and stackable.
In the first pic you can see five tubs. Up top are one for "keepers" (low mintage years, UNC, things to be looked at later...) and one for "errors". At the bottom is a stack of two, the bottom one unsorted source coins from the bank, the top one for rejects. Put a strong light over them, grab a handful out of the bottom tub, add magnifier, drop the rejects, stash the keepers. The fifth tub has 9 1999 cud errors, and a pristine 1988 that came out of this current batch this morning. On the right is a 15-pocket page with a dozen of those 1999 cuds, and on the left one of my albums with a sheet of 10¢ 1999 cuds and a few upsets. Note how an album is a really poor way to store bulk coins. It would take nearly 100 pages to store what's in this pic, not to mention the mounts/flips.
The next couple of pics just show the way the tubs work, and the errors that are going into that page.
Now we come to the how-to. Take a poly bank bag, add four coins. Fold so that the zip is alongside the coins (to stop them moving around), and slip into a pocket.
Here we have closeups showing why that one 1999 is in a mount. It has doubling and a chin cud as well.
Now, the slide trays. Here are two different sorts. The standard one has two trays of 50, for 100 capacity. The Agfa CS has four trays of 40, for 160 capacity in the same space. However, its not as convenient to work with. Tolerances are tighter, the 50¢ coins, as you can see, are a little too thick for the slots, and you have to use packing to keep the trays and coins in place. To stop the trays moving, I use little bundles of ice cream sticks, and to stop the coins falling out of the trays I jam yet more bank bags in between, as you can see in the last shot. Depending on which type used, these stackable trays fit 400 or 640 coins on a shelf in the same space as two phone books or ring binders.
Oh, one thing I forgot to shoot details of. If you look at the upsets in the album in the first pic, you may see that they are packed two 2x2's in a bank bag, which is then held in a 9-pocket page. The mounts fit snugly into the bags, with one tab overlapped, and a single fold brings the ziplock to the side, helping hold it in the page. Even allowing for the top row only having one coin per pocket, this still gives 15 coins per page, and 9-pocket pages are very easy to come by, since kids use them for their Pokemon cards.
As well as these storage methods, I also use bank bags when there are mountains of the same type. Like 3-1/2 claws or double bars for example. In this case I jam the coins tightly in two rows in the bag, then stack the bags in sacks, add a cable tie and labels, put the sacks in milk crates which then go off to long-term storage.