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Australian Coins, Banknotes and Exonumia => Australian Errors and Varieties => Topic started by: MattGold on June 12, 2013, 10:56:28 AM

Title: Your Opinion please
Post by: MattGold on June 12, 2013, 10:56:28 AM
I don't think this was caused by a coin roll machine but I may be wrong.. What do you guys n gals think??
I will get the hang of sizing the images but I'm a slow learner haha:dodgy:

(http://i40.tinypic.com/slhdex.jpg)
Title: RE: Your Opinion please
Post by: Ozcoins on June 12, 2013, 11:25:28 AM
That is not a rolling machine.
They damage the highest points on the design where they do damage.
I would take a hesitant guess at the edge of the die being damaged.
Title: RE: Your Opinion please
Post by: MattGold on June 12, 2013, 01:37:06 PM
Quote from: 'Ozcoins' pid='17799' dateline='1371002128'That is not a rolling machine.
They damage the highest points on the design where they do damage.
I would take a hesitant guess at the edge of the die being damaged.

Thanks Oz
Title: RE: Your Opinion please
Post by: keldaw on June 12, 2013, 03:46:09 PM
can somebody please tell me how you put them little coloured arrow,s on the pic,s please ???..    ,, kel ,,
Title: RE: Your Opinion please
Post by: Australian coin on June 12, 2013, 03:59:29 PM
paint or other picture editing programs can do that
Title: RE: Your Opinion please
Post by: enworb on June 12, 2013, 04:04:54 PM
I use paint but there is probably much more complex ways to do it
Title: RE: Your Opinion please
Post by: robbiegal on June 12, 2013, 04:06:37 PM
I have started to 'resize' in paint, it is dead easy and my pics now load up to photobucket really fast as well
Title: RE: Your Opinion please
Post by: Nevol on June 12, 2013, 04:12:17 PM
Just out of curiosity Matt, what denom is it? :angel:
Title: RE: Your Opinion please
Post by: keldaw on June 12, 2013, 05:51:53 PM
thank you all ..     ,, kel ,,
Title: RE: Your Opinion please
Post by: robbiegal on June 12, 2013, 06:10:24 PM
the way I do arrows Kel
is I start up my power point - insert a picture then fiddle about and add the arrows
then I save the 'slide'  as a Jpeg
it's the only way that I know how to do it
Title: RE: Your Opinion please
Post by: keldaw on June 12, 2013, 07:03:49 PM
ok thanks all , I will give it a try ..

 robbiegal , a lady , yes I know that .

 power point .   ??????

 only one of them I know , is when I make the coffee
     and have to boil the jug ,  ..        ,, kel ,,
Title: RE: Your Opinion please
Post by: robbiegal on June 12, 2013, 07:50:23 PM
ok then
stick with the paint program

I have 'office'  on my computer and it has WORD, POWERPOINT, PUBLISHER and EXCEL

I do and/or have done a lot of education & talks in my work so I have used POWERPOINT for almost 2 decades now, so I find it very easy to use

that was no lady, that was my wife  :mocking:
Title: RE: Your Opinion please
Post by: MattGold on June 12, 2013, 09:05:52 PM
Quote from: 'Nevol' pid='17828' dateline='1371019337'Just out of curiosity Matt, what denom is it? :angel:

10 cents Nevol

I cannot remember for the life of me but someone on here showed me photoscape for all my editing needs, I just have to remember to resize the image in future..

Matt
Title: RE: Your Opinion please
Post by: Fulvio on June 13, 2013, 02:31:37 AM
Quote from: 'MattGold' pid='17870' dateline='1371036952'I cannot remember for the life of me but someone on here showed me photoscape for all my editing needs, I just have to remember to resize the image in future..

Bah! Get a Mac, any Mac, even a $50 G3 iMac, and Graphic Converter. Blows anything on a PC out of the water.

...now pass me that flame retardant radiation suit/flak jacket. *duck*

Oh, and as to the error, while I have several like this, I've never seen one that goes around the lettering like that. Is there any depth to it? Like if it were a cold shut, with the metal folded over? Though again, its way too big for that I guess.
Title: RE: Your Opinion please
Post by: MattGold on June 13, 2013, 07:49:47 PM
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='17901' dateline='1371056497'
Quote from: 'MattGold' pid='17870' dateline='1371036952'I cannot remember for the life of me but someone on here showed me photoscape for all my editing needs, I just have to remember to resize the image in future..

Bah! Get a Mac, any Mac, even a $50 G3 iMac, and Graphic Converter. Blows anything on a PC out of the water.

...now pass me that flame retardant radiation suit/flak jacket. *duck*

Oh, and as to the error, while I have several like this, I've never seen one that goes around the lettering like that. Is there any depth to it? Like if it were a cold shut, with the metal folded over? Though again, its way too big for that I guess.

I'm not sure if this would be right or not but under the magnifier it looks like the something could have been on the die when the coin was struck and that pushed the metal towards the lettering!!

Would that make sense at all??
Title: RE: Your Opinion please
Post by: Fulvio on June 14, 2013, 07:31:06 AM
Quote from: 'MattGold' pid='18026' dateline='1371118787'I'm not sure if this would be right or not but under the magnifier it looks like the something could have been on the die when the coin was struck and that pushed the metal towards the lettering!!

Eh? Is it raised or lowered? Because it looks raised in the pic, and a strikethrough would result in a cavity, like you see on lots of 1984/85 dollars and such. If this is extra metal, or deformed metal, its not the result of a strikethrough.

The coin shows severe doubling. But I can't see that being related. The bounce is upwards, and shows no sign of twisting. Its uniform across the whole coin too, which I think is inconsistent.

I presume you would have noticed anything unusual about the rim if it were related to the collar?

Perhaps there was a problem with the planchet before it was struck? That might explain it, maybe...
Title: RE: Your Opinion please
Post by: Nevol on June 14, 2013, 08:32:07 AM
QuoteI cannot remember for the life of me but someone on here showed me photoscape for all my editing needs, I just have to remember to resize the image in future..
That was Fordprefect.  

I started using Photoscape a few years ago, it's Brilliant!
Title: RE: Your Opinion please
Post by: MattGold on June 14, 2013, 08:47:52 PM
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='18080' dateline='1371160866'
Quote from: 'MattGold' pid='18026' dateline='1371118787'I'm not sure if this would be right or not but under the magnifier it looks like the something could have been on the die when the coin was struck and that pushed the metal towards the lettering!!

Eh? Is it raised or lowered? Because it looks raised in the pic, and a strikethrough would result in a cavity, like you see on lots of 1984/85 dollars and such. If this is extra metal, or deformed metal, its not the result of a strikethrough.

The coin shows severe doubling. But I can't see that being related. The bounce is upwards, and shows no sign of twisting. Its uniform across the whole coin too, which I think is inconsistent.

I presume you would have noticed anything unusual about the rim if it were related to the collar?

Perhaps there was a problem with the planchet before it was struck? That might explain it, maybe...

It is raised Fulvio

Quote from: 'Nevol' pid='18090' dateline='1371164527'
QuoteI cannot remember for the life of me but someone on here showed me photoscape for all my editing needs, I just have to remember to resize the image in future..
That was Fordprefect.  

I started using Photoscape a few years ago, it's Brilliant!

Thanks for that, yes it is brilliant, so quick n easy but I just need to remember to resize my images when I upload them, it always seems to slip my mind
Title: RE: Your Opinion please
Post by: Nevol on June 14, 2013, 08:57:08 PM
I find it easier to resize while I'm Cropping or adding arrows, get it all done at once, saves time in the long run.  

I rarely re-size these days as I let either Tinypic or Photoshop do it for me automatically when I'm getting images ready to post. In fact, most re-sizing I do is to increase size.
Title: RE: Your Opinion please
Post by: MattGold on June 15, 2013, 02:15:19 PM
Thought I would use this same topic as I would like your opinions please??
Fair Condition 1966 20 cent with what looks to be a crack and bent curl??
Sorry never marked the area but you should be able to see what I see
(http://i42.tinypic.com/fb9d2w.jpg)
(http://i39.tinypic.com/2z85jbr.jpg)
(http://i44.tinypic.com/5xismc.jpg)

Thanks...
Title: RE: Your Opinion please
Post by: Nevol on June 15, 2013, 02:34:11 PM
Looks like a lam flaw. :angel:
Title: RE: Your Opinion please
Post by: MattGold on June 15, 2013, 03:48:07 PM
Thanks Nevol, what would cause the curl to bend like that?
Title: RE: Your Opinion please
Post by: Nevol on June 15, 2013, 04:25:06 PM
The Green/Yellow arrows indicate approx where I think the Lam starts and ends.
Green/Red arrow shows the Lam lifting
Red/Blue arrow is, I think, the 'bent curl' you refer to.  IMO that is most likely PMD from the coin taking a hit smack on the edge of the wave.  

(http://i40.tinypic.com/2zdvbmf.jpg)
Title: RE: Your Opinion please
Post by: MattGold on June 15, 2013, 04:33:52 PM
Thanks you Nevol for that great description, also thanks for marking the areas for me...
Title: RE: Your Opinion please
Post by: Fulvio on June 15, 2013, 04:59:15 PM
Quote from: 'Nevol' pid='18320' dateline='1371279306'The Green/Yellow arrows indicate approx where I think the Lam starts and ends.
Green/Red arrow shows the Lam lifting
Red/Blue arrow is, I think, the 'bent curl' you refer to.  IMO that is most likely PMD from the coin taking a hit smack on the edge of the wave.  

I'd concur, except I see multiple faults. At least three parallel lines, and pieces missing from two of them looks like. And yeah, that vertical rip is PMD, but who cares? Still a nice coin.
Title: RE: Your Opinion please
Post by: MattGold on June 19, 2013, 04:55:29 PM
Thanks Fulvio, I think I can see the lines you mentioned haha..

On another note, I am posting this piccie on behalf of a facebook forum member friend, can anyone tell me if this is PMD or??? The coin isn't hers so she doesn't have it with her to take other photos to show diff angles but she is waiting for some from the person with the actual coin.. (sorry just confused myself there hehe)

Hopefully this pic is enough to tell..
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2vdiavo.jpg)
Title: RE: Your Opinion please
Post by: Australian coin on June 19, 2013, 04:59:53 PM
I am going to guess its a $2 coin, and PMD
Title: RE: Your Opinion please
Post by: MattGold on June 19, 2013, 05:32:34 PM
Quote from: 'Australian coin' pid='18618' dateline='1371626993'I am going to guess its a $2 coin, and PMD

Woops yep it's a $2 and thanks, will let her know.
Title: RE: Your Opinion please
Post by: Fulvio on June 19, 2013, 07:38:25 PM
Yeah, what AC said.. anytime you see evidence of grinding, it has to be PMD, because nothing in the manufacturing process will do that. There are other issues as well, but that's the biggie. :)
Title: RE: Your Opinion please
Post by: MattGold on June 23, 2013, 05:50:44 PM
What about this one guys n gals??
Thanks in advance
(http://i41.tinypic.com/105xnbk.jpg)
(http://i40.tinypic.com/hs5hk7.jpg)

Matt
Title: RE: Your Opinion please
Post by: MattGold on July 01, 2013, 11:48:47 AM
Quote from: 'MattGold' pid='19071' dateline='1371975644'What about this one guys n gals??
Thanks in advance
(http://i41.tinypic.com/105xnbk.jpg)
(http://i40.tinypic.com/hs5hk7.jpg)

Matt

Just wanted to bump this up to see if someone can tell me if this is PMD? I think it might be but would like other opinions thanks.
Title: RE: Your Opinion please
Post by: Mister T on July 01, 2013, 12:47:46 PM
What specifically? Is it the mark to the right of the lyre-bird?
Do you have a bigger picture too?
Title: RE: Your Opinion please
Post by: MattGold on July 01, 2013, 01:06:28 PM
Quote from: 'Mister T' pid='20069' dateline='1372648666'What specifically? Is it the mark to the right of the lyre-bird?
Do you have a bigger picture too?

Yep sorry the mark to the right and markings around the 11oclock area. I will resize the pic soon, I put it this size because a few people tell me I post the pics too large haha
Title: RE: Your Opinion please
Post by: Fulvio on July 01, 2013, 02:16:09 PM
Quote from: 'MattGold' pid='20071' dateline='1372649788'I put it this size because a few people tell me I post the pics too large haha

Meh. If that's a problem, post a thumbnail and a link to the huge one. Or just post the big one and let it get resized. Full speed ahead and damn the torpedoes! ;)

BTW, best guess pending better pics is its been crushed with a slightly offset obverse. Lettering on the rim, and the mark on the right is the rim.