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Australian Coins, Banknotes and Exonumia => Australian Pre-Decimal Coins => Topic started by: Fr45h3R on June 07, 2013, 04:39:07 PM

Title: Identifying 1916I with Quarter Anna Obverse
Post by: Fr45h3R on June 07, 2013, 04:39:07 PM
Hi All,
Just saw this one pop up in the eBay sold listings.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/vintage-tin-with-old-Silver-copper-Coins-Deceased-Estate-/151054647432?nma=true&si=MgYwTPXtItNncBlXrTn5Z6ghU7U%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Any way to identify if this was the real deal ?

-rob
Title: RE: Identifying 1916I with Quarter Anna Obverse
Post by: Unicorn on June 07, 2013, 04:50:07 PM
I'm no expert, but I reckon the Obverse is showing a hell of a lot more wear than the reverse ....... (glad I wasn't the buyer ....  maybe I'm wrong).

Feedback ........ hook, line and sinkers!!!!!!!
(I'm still probably wrong).
:angel:
Title: RE: Identifying 1916I with Quarter Anna Obverse
Post by: Fr45h3R on June 07, 2013, 05:43:02 PM
Actually, looking at the 'side' photo, the coin you can see the coin has been split.
Above 'E BR' in 'THE BRITISH' (writing on the tin)
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No pick up is a bit unusual too.
Looks like lots of people took the bait.
Title: RE: Identifying 1916I with Quarter Anna Obverse
Post by: stevo1962 on June 07, 2013, 06:51:34 PM
I think the photos are inconclusive but plenty of people are willing to risk it
Title: RE: Identifying 1916I with Quarter Anna Obverse
Post by: robbiegal on June 07, 2013, 06:58:26 PM
hummm
knows nothing about them
but features the two 1916 coins side by side ......
Title: RE: Identifying 1916I with Quarter Anna Obverse
Post by: markn on June 07, 2013, 07:22:06 PM
Stinks to high heaven.  Photos are dubious enough but "found" tins of old coins are almost always a load of rubbish.  Someone got scammed.
Title: RE: Identifying 1916I with Quarter Anna Obverse
Post by: Mister T on June 07, 2013, 07:34:39 PM
The edge doesn't look right. Also, I think someone posted this on CCF today as well.

edit: here we go: http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=151037
Title: RE: Identifying 1916I with Quarter Anna Obverse
Post by: robbiegal on June 07, 2013, 08:57:03 PM
This is one of our rarest mules
I would think that an accidental find is less likely to show up on ebay, in a tin of coins that have no rust on them, although the tin does. The mule is  a grade of good and  polished on the obverse and looking a very nice VF on the reverse. The seemingly two tone to the rim and the odd shadow in the larger obverse photo is 100% dodgey brothers to me. The coins look quite old, ex one more modern looking one. It is a nicely set scene. 5 stars to the seller.
I think it is a con.
I would believe that one could be accidently found in an old genuine lot of coins
Anyways, i suspect there has been some strategic kite flying over in that forum.
Title: RE: Identifying 1916I with Quarter Anna Obverse
Post by: Fr45h3R on June 07, 2013, 09:36:29 PM
I hadn't seen that thread over CCF but it appears the image is of the same coin.
Mr T's comment in CCF pretty much nails it
QuoteThat said, finding one now would be pretty unlikely. Most would have come out of the wood-work before the decimal changeover (they were first publicised around that era)
Title: RE: Identifying 1916I with Quarter Anna Obverse
Post by: Unicorn on June 07, 2013, 09:39:15 PM
Yes, Robbiegal totally agree, what do you think the odds would be of:
a) Having 2 1916 1/2d's in the first place in that tin when most are not Australian coins
b) The seller (who's feedback suggests is not a coin person) to notice the obverse difference between the two and make that the KEY part of the listing.

Nah, pure BS.
Title: RE: Identifying 1916I with Quarter Anna Obverse
Post by: robbiegal on June 07, 2013, 10:19:02 PM
yep yep

something is fishy in Denmark

I doubt that any money has even changed hands & it's all a load of BS
anyone prepared to spend 10 k on a coin would have some idea on what they were buying and with this being a true rarity, then the buyer will know a lot about the coin

whereas, if it was some quiet little auction that went off for $10, then yeah - i'd expect that a discerning buyer might just spot such a gem in an unassuming listing

Maccas has the mule in VG at $50,000  & fine at $115,000, VF $175,00 - you could split grades and go for g/vf - so then you'd be wanting a cool $145,000 or so for the halfpenny
The real deal is quite unlikely to go on even on ebay for $10,000
I think that it's one coin that might just hold catalogue value (much as everyone loves to bag the maccas cat values!!)