Goldy's mum dying got me thinking about my own parents, who are pushing 90 now, and since that was kinda depressing, it then led to thoughts about Lizzie, which led to more cheery thinking about our money, of course.
MUCH better fodder for contemplation, no?
So, lets say Liz drops off the perch tomorrow. What happens next?
Presumably, Chuck will want to be King, at least for a bit. He won't be popular, especially since the poms dislike his missus so much. Nonetheless, we'll stick his mug on our coins, and on a new fiver as well.
He'll be facing left on coins, since they always swap directions. God only knows what they'll do with the $5 (though I bet they already have plans in place). A new colour again? Something a little less pink perhaps?
Expect all the current $5 to vanish quickly. They don't have a very long lifespan anyway, and tellers will be actively sending them to destruction as they did with the Federation and light coloured notes. So we're going to have to actively accumulate $5's while we can.
Coins will take longer to disappear I suspect, since the reverse designs won't change, and won't be as easily pulled. Heck, we have half of NZ's currency circulating here already, alongside Euros, US and other coins. If they can't get rid of those, they won't be able to get rid of Liz in a hurry either. But vanish eventually they will.
Then the followup question is, how quickly will Chuckie chuck it in? As I said, they don't like Camilla much at all, and we've already seen one recent monarch pull the pin over a woman. Will he do the same?
For sure we're going to get Wills next, probably in our lifetimes, and possibly quite quickly unless Charles has both his gran's longevity genes AND a thick skin. So I'd be stocking up on Charlie 3 coins (jeez, I make it sound like a Hollywood movie franchise, eh?) pretty early on.
Then again, we might just have another referendum, and elect a President instead. Wouldn't THAT be fun? :angel:
Can he be King being married to a divorcee??
or are they no longer the head of the Church
(not up on royal bizzo - BUT DID watch 'The Kings' Speech just last night!)
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='16788' dateline='1370002938'Can he be King being married to a divorcee??
That was debated when she first came on the scene, and the eventual outcome was that yes, he can, and she would be queen.
oh - times have changed then since the days of GVI
ps - you are blessed having 90 year old parents, I'm like Trout and have been an orphan for much more than a decade
Apparently so. Dunno if its an improvement.. I mean, what next? A papal abdication maybe? ;)
I think the Queen will have a contingency plan that doesn't include her son that has a penchant for old ladies, I think she will force him to abdicate his right to the throne on her death :ok:
I would imagine that Charles's eldest son will get the job (poor bugger).
Anyway I hope old Lizzy outlives Victoria and becomes the longest serving British Monarch in history :good:
papal abdication maybe
yeah -I think it was about the third one in about 500 years, with one (corrected this morning) being a political strategy by the Church
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='16795' dateline='1370003498'papal abdication maybe
yeah -I think it was about the third one in about 500 years, with being a political strategy by the Church
One of the Monarchs titles is "defender of the faith" :ok:
I watched part of a doco on the other week called the Queen (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/queen-elizabeth-II/9934099/Sneak-preview-of-new-royal-documentary-Our-Queen.html) and after seeing that I think she's as tough as and isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
If Charles succeeds her, William may not be king until he's in his 50s.-John
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='16786' dateline='1370002528'God only knows what they'll do with the $5 (though I bet they already have plans in place). A new colour again? Something a little less pink perhaps?
They won't necessarily replace the $5 design with one featuring the new monarch. There's no law saying the $5 note has to feature the monarch. Keeping the colour, however, probably is something they'd want to do. Whenever banknotes change design, keeping the colours helps people associate the new design with equivalence to the old notes.
Think of the Federation $5 as a trial run of what they might replace the current $5 design with.
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='16786' dateline='1370002528'Presumably, Chuck will want to be King, at least for a bit. He won't be popular, especially since the poms dislike his missus so much.
By all accounts, Charles doesn't want to be king. But he's stuck with the job, because his mum refuses to allow him to disqualify himself. As for Camilla, the British public seem to have warmed to her in recent years.
You mention "Charlie 3". While we can know for sure who the next monarch will be, we don't yet know what his name will be. The Royals each have several names to choose from in the event that they become the monarch and they don't always pick their first name; the first name of both Edward VII and George VI was "Albert" and they were both known as "Prince Albert" before they became king.
The full name of the man we currently call "Prince Charles", for example, is "Charles Philip Arthur George", and he can in theory pick any one of those names to use as his reign-name. Even after 350 years, "King Charles" still has a bad resonance in the Royal Family (with the beheading, Civil War and all) and "King Arthur" would be just plain pretentious. I believe he has, in the past, indicated he would prefer to be "King George VII", in honour of his grandfather, but we won't know for sure until accession day.
There's something in my memory banks about the Defender of the Faith
I know it went off the QEII in 1953 penny then back on for the 55 and onwards penny ? And then off for the decimal currency
I know there is a 'Godless Florin' that caused all sorts of kafuffle (Q Victoria)
But now it is not on our decimal coinage
All of the QEII's prodigy have been divorced so it may be hard to get any that have had the one marriage
Yeah - I agree Old Charlie may have been set for being a King back in his younger days when married to Princess Dianna but that all went to the dogs with the dreadful marriage breakdown and the merciless devastation that the media caused to their fragile family
Young William is on top of that business now - smart young man that one (IMO)
When they took F: D off of the coins there was public backlash. Oh how the times have changed. Can you imagine what would happen if the government suggested putting it back on the coins now days.
There was an item on the news this morning about the 6 ladies in waiting for the coronation. Apparently they are all still around and having a reunion of sorts. Anyway, one of them mentioned the annointing oils which is part of the ceremony considered sacred and kept out of public view. The coronation is as much a religious ceremony as anything else. The monarch is the Head of the Church of England and thus Defender of the Faith. Incidentally, the anniversary (of the coronation) is tomorrow.
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='16786' dateline='1370002528'Coins will take longer to disappear I suspect, since the reverse designs won't change, and won't be as easily pulled. Heck, we have half of NZ's currency circulating here already, alongside Euros, US and other coins. If they can't get rid of those, they won't be able to get rid of Liz in a hurry either. But vanish eventually they will.
I dont think that they will be pulled. In the predecimal days they happily had coins and notes of three monarchs circulating at the same time.
Quote from: 'Sapyx' pid='16805' dateline='1370041451'They won't necessarily replace the $5 design with one featuring the new monarch. There's no law saying the $5 note has to feature the monarch.
My understanding was that the lowest denomination note has to have the monarchs portrait. This was the explanation given in 1992 when there was an outcry about the Queen being on our new $5.
As for how long it will be. Well the Queen Mum lived to be 101 so we may still have at least 14 years before a change of monarch and by then Charles will be in his late 70s.......that is if she hasn't out lived him.
I don't think its the lowest denomination note, more a matter of at least one of them.
And 14 years is but a mere instant in the grander scheme of things, is it not? I wasn't suggesting it would be next week, but it pays to consider these things well in advance I reckon.
if Charlie abdicates his right to the throne
wouldn't Princess Anne then be the next in line
followed by - is it Edward?
so we might have a Queen Anne on our coins
Princess Anne is 10th in line. Will and Harry are next after Charles, then Andrew and his daughters, so she's not even the first female in the line.
Edit: :feminist_en:
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='16908' dateline='1370124984'if Charlie abdicates his right to the throne
wouldn't Princess Anne then be the next in line
followed by - is it Edward?
so we might have a Queen Anne on our coins
Or Australia may simply become a republic :angel:
Quote from: 'r9453' pid='16911' dateline='1370126299'Princess Anne is 10th in line. Will and Harry are next after Charles, then Andrew and his daughters, so she's not even the first female in the line.
Edit: :feminist_en:
huh?
really??
it is the first of the brats and then the first of their brats
oh - it's Andrew (oopsie) - you can see that I'm not a royalist - where is my mother when I need her!! (bless her soul)
hum , seems unfair as Anne might just do a good job - if we could get her away from the horses
and girls are more interesting on the coins, they have nice earrings and necklaces !!
nah Trout - we need the Britts to keep us on our toes - bit like having mum to tell tales to
anyways, who would we have then to plaster on the back of our coins (eer the front)
bye for now
Quote from: 'trout' pid='16914' dateline='1370127220'Or Australia may simply become a republic :angel:
I'd vote for a republic :d_sunny: When the debate at old parliament house was on a few years ago I followed it closely but can't recall any mention of coinage. At least with the monarchy we have some certainty about the obverse of our coins. :dontknow:
Here's an interesting article about Prince Charles
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/prince-charles/9700402/Prince-Charles-Im-running-out-of-time.html
So it seems that he is keen on being king.
One of the more poignant comments made was
"He is an age when most people are starting to contemplate retirement, yet he's not actually started the job he has spent his adult life preparing for. That is burdensome."
I hope we continue to have the monarch on our coins even when/if we become a republic.
Thanks for the link MOR, I don't mind Charles these days. In terms of the OP its probably :off_topic: whether we become a republic or not but if it were to happen the monarch would no longer be our head of state. :shock: In that case we'd have to find an alternative for our coins. Imagine that debate. :blackeye:
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So, lets say Liz drops off the perch tomorrow. What happens next?"
we get an invite to her funeral via satelite TV :-)
Quote from: 'lacey' pid='16955' dateline='1370146517'"
So, lets say Liz drops off the perch tomorrow. What happens next?"
we get an invite to her funeral via satelite TV :-)
I will not be attending the funeral, but I will certainly approve of it!
As far as royals go, I think Liz has been a great Queen and long may she reign.
Aside from the fact that the British royals are not much more than unelected figureheads representing a German household long bereft of any real power, I think they are good at what they do.
In my view, Charles is dying to take the throne. I don't think he'll do much with it, but it's the status that he craves.
Everyone knows that Charles will be a caretaker King until Will takes over.
Regardless, it remains a very interesting debate about what Australia will do with its coins and banknotes when there is finally a changing of the guard.
Can you imagine the amount of packaging that the RAM will put out when Liz passes on the corgis to Charles? They must be salivating at the prospect.
I don't know. There won't be a real need for marketing since everyone will want to get the new portrait. It might be like the Royal Dutch Mint has handled their change of rulers, a few high priced sets and some lesser issues bearing the 'last' and 'first' portraits of those concerned.-John
Quote from: 'coxspau' pid='17262' dateline='1370499423'Regardless, it remains a very interesting debate about what Australia will do with its coins and banknotes when there is finally a changing of the guard.
Can you imagine the amount of packaging that the RAM will put out when Liz passes on the corgis to Charles? They must be salivating at the prospect.
When that time comes, whenever it may be, could well be the time they decide to revamp the entire coinage New-Zealand-style and removing the monarch's portrait could well be part of the overall redesigning. Putting the monarch on the coinage is not currently mandatory, from a legal standpoint.
As for "salivating at the prospect", I sometimes wonder if the opposite might not be the case. I've always wondered what the mints will do if the queen happens to die late in the year (After September, say) when they've already struck and sold coins bearing the next year's date with the now-deceased monarch's portrait on them. I think they'll discover then that there are potentially embarrassing flaws and issues with creating post-dated coins.
Quote from: 'Sapyx' pid='17279' dateline='1370522187'I think they'll discover then that there are potentially embarrassing flaws and issues with creating post-dated coins.
Now that's a good point, which I for one hadn't considered. Say it happened after they started shipping, but before everything was gone. Would they pull the rest, therefore creating super-rare coins, or would they go full steam ahead and knowingly release what would now be "error" coins?
Given the mint's penchant for making a buck, I tend to think they'd flog anything and everything they could. Let what they'd already made go out regardless, and start making new souvenirs immediately to flog off at a hundred times face value.
What I don't think would happen is a lengthy delay while new designs were created. They'd want to milk it for all its worth, so you'd see a new obverse, perhaps followed by a redesign a year or two down the track.
The hyperbole re the "Colourful Change" promo is already pretty intense.
Quote from: 'r9453' pid='17287' dateline='1370524336'The hyperbole re the "Colourful Change" promo is already pretty intense.
Yup. The
Royal Australian Souvenir Factory is getting "better" at this crap. :(
As for "salivating at the prospect", I sometimes wonder if the opposite might not be the case. I've always wondered what the mints will do if the queen happens to die late in the year (After September, say) when they've already struck and sold coins bearing the next year's date with the now-deceased monarch's portrait on them. I think they'll discover then that there are potentially embarrassing flaws and issues with creating post-dated coins.
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Surely they wouldn't have any choice but to carry on until the new image is prepared and approved.-John
One thing is, they won't be quick about introducing a new royal portrait, if they decide that post-QE2 coins need a portrait. They don't have a portrait of Charles sitting around "ready to go" - they need to arrange for an official portrait sitting, which won't be done until quite a while after the period of mourning; it's not exactly a high priority for a new monarch. They can't have an official coinage portrait sitting for the heir-apparent before the current monarch dies, it would send completely the wrong message: "Hurry up and die already".
In the past, we've always used whichever royal portrait the Royal Mint supplied us. I've always assumed that, for the next monarch, Australia will 'go it alone' and commission our own artist to make a uniquely Australian portrait for use on Australian coins. Canada has been using its own local talent for the portrait on their coins since 1990.
Quote from: 'Sapyx' pid='17366' dateline='1370585997'...uniquely Australian portrait for use on Australian coins...
Why did I just see a mental image of Charlie hanging onto an Emu's neck for dear life as it charges across the desert?
That would be
uniquely Australian, right? ;)
Quote from: 'Sapyx' pid='17366' dateline='1370585997'I've always assumed that, for the next monarch, Australia will 'go it alone' and commission our own artist to make a uniquely Australian portrait for use on Australian coins. Canada has been using its own local talent for the portrait on their coins since 1990.
If that's what happens then I hope our local talent does a much better job than Canada's.