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Title: Home job
Post by: MattGold on May 27, 2013, 08:05:25 PM
This has gotta be a home job right??

(http://i42.tinypic.com/2wbtkdt.jpg)
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2rrkk0x.jpg)
Title: RE: Home job
Post by: accumulator on May 27, 2013, 08:10:58 PM
Yeah,definitely PMD !
Title: RE: Home job
Post by: markn on May 27, 2013, 08:20:05 PM
Yes.
Title: RE: Home job
Post by: trout on May 27, 2013, 08:24:09 PM
Yep, looks like the old side cutter "error" to me
Title: RE: Home job
Post by: humpybong on May 27, 2013, 08:24:36 PM
Yep....and not a very good one either.

:angel:
Title: RE: Home job
Post by: robbiegal on May 27, 2013, 08:33:27 PM
eerrmm ... I think it is the 'rare' shed art variety
it is only found either in the suburbs or at times, in the nearby industrial fringe areas of suburbia
the coinage is often produced by gentile chaps who wear their work trousers far too low at the back
the implements used for the minting process usually consist of, humm . hammer, maybe some metal tin snips, a vice grip and of course a complementary FourX beer - it adds to the creative capabilities

they then give them to the local  kiddies who list them on ebay with creative stories like 'deceased estate' , sick wife/kiddies'', 'I know nothing about coins' and so on.  - it helps the children to get good grades both in their economics and English studies and it provides  funds for those little extras for dad '(like 4x beer)

all for a good cause you know
think of it as a 'fund raiser' but without the tax invoice


Ha ha
Title: RE: Home job
Post by: MattGold on May 27, 2013, 08:36:54 PM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='16364' dateline='1369652607'eerrmm ... I think it is the 'rare' shed art variety
it is only found either in the suburbs or at times, in the nearby industrial fringe areas of suburbia
the coinage is often produced by gentile chaps who wear their work trousers far too low at the back
the implements used for the minting process usually consist of, humm . hammer, maybe some metal tin snips, a vice grip and of course a complementary FourX beer - it adds to the creative capabilities

they then give them to the local  kiddies who list them on ebay with creative stories like 'deceased estate' , sick wife/kiddies'', 'I know nothing about coins' and so on.  - it helps the children to get good grades both in their economics and English studies and it provides  funds for those little extras for dad '(like 4x beer)

all for a good cause you know
think of it as a 'fund raiser' but without the tax invoice


Ha ha

Hahahahahha noice cheers
Title: RE: Home job
Post by: purplepennyhunter on May 28, 2013, 12:53:15 PM
Robbies (off-topic) birthday wishes have moved

over here (http://www.australian-coins.net/showthread.php?tid=1153)
Title: RE: Home job
Post by: MattGold on May 28, 2013, 04:32:14 PM
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='16409' dateline='1369711395'Robbies (off-topic) birthday wishes have moved

over here (http://www.australian-coins.net/showthread.php?tid=1153)

haha no worries
Title: RE: Home job
Post by: accumulator on May 29, 2013, 06:50:10 AM
Instead of starting another thread on shed jobs,i'll put this one in here.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1983-5-cent-piece-Error-coin-/251280915183?pt=AU_Coins2&hash=item3a81827aef&_uhb=1
Title: RE: Home job
Post by: keldaw on May 29, 2013, 09:15:16 AM
I like that coin , I would go to $ 20.00 for it , but I am away till next Wednesday  ( 7 days ) and it is finishing in  ( 4 days 9 hours ) but if anybody can get it for me for $ 20.00 or under , I will fix you up next Wednesday when I get back home ,..
                                                               ,, kel ,,
Title: RE: Home job
Post by: Goldseeker on May 29, 2013, 12:45:53 PM
Quote from: 'accumulator' pid='16437' dateline='1369776010'Instead of starting another thread on shed jobs,i'll put this one in here.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1983-5-cent-piece-Error-coin-/251280915183?pt=AU_Coins2&hash=item3a81827aef&_uhb=1

I placed the bid of $20.00 for you and it failed as the next bid is $20.50.   Outbid immediately.

Quote from: 'keldaw' pid='16445' dateline='1369784716'I like that coin , I would go to $ 20.00 for it , but I am away till next Wednesday  ( 7 days ) and it is finishing in  ( 4 days 9 hours ) but if anybody can get it for me for $ 20.00 or under , I will fix you up next Wednesday when I get back home ,..
                                                               ,, kel ,,

See my response on the previous comment.
Title: RE: Home job
Post by: accumulator on May 29, 2013, 02:51:32 PM
I don't get why you would want to bid on that coin Kel ????? it's a shed job mate !
Title: RE: Home job
Post by: Fulvio on May 30, 2013, 10:24:09 AM
Quote from: 'accumulator' pid='16454' dateline='1369804892'I don't get why you would want to bid on that coin Kel ????? it's a shed job mate !

What on earth gives you THAT idea???? Its real, mate.
Title: RE: Home job
Post by: stevo1962 on May 30, 2013, 10:51:20 AM
Looking at the obverse it seems like it got stuck in the press and copped
quite a hammering before it was finally removed
Title: RE: Home job
Post by: markn on May 30, 2013, 11:09:01 AM
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='16537' dateline='1369875249'
Quote from: 'accumulator' pid='16454' dateline='1369804892'I don't get why you would want to bid on that coin Kel ????? it's a shed job mate !

What on earth gives you THAT idea???? Its real, mate.

That coin is nothing more than PMD.  It's had a coin hammered in the obverse and the had one edge hammered down to give the appearance of a broadstrike and then had another coin hammered into the reverse. It's just damaged rubbish.
Title: RE: Home job
Post by: markn on May 30, 2013, 11:09:32 AM
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='16538' dateline='1369876880'Looking at the obverse it seems like it got stuck in the press and copped
quite a hammering before it was finally removed

No, the only place that coin copped a hammering was in someone's shed.
Title: RE: Home job
Post by: markn on May 30, 2013, 11:16:50 AM
To both Fulvio and stevo1962.  Here's a good principle to live by when deciding if a coin is an error or not.  If you see incuse elements on a supposed error and those elements are mirror imaged AND they are over the top of an existing correct strike then ALWAYS assume the coin is PMD.  The ONLY way a real error like this can occur is if a previously struck coin gets run back through a press while there's a die cap stuck to one of the dies.  This is incredibly unlikely.

In the case of this particular 5c it's got impressions on both sides so the only way this could have happened is if a previously struck coin had gone through a press while a die cap was stuck to the obverse AND reverse dies.  Clearly an unlikely set of circumstances.  Oh wait, we're supposed to believe it's a broadstrike too.  Guys this coin is a damaged piece of junk.  

Kel don't bid on it.  And I strongly encourage that no-one else here bid on it either.
Title: RE: Home job
Post by: accumulator on May 30, 2013, 05:37:14 PM
I made this one with 3 X 5 cent coins & a hammer,a vice can also be used instead of the hammer.

(http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo339/appeangel07_photos/29-9-08/new%20coin%20album/002-4_zps01a3a6ae.jpg) (http://s389.photobucket.com/user/appeangel07_photos/media/29-9-08/new%20coin%20album/002-4_zps01a3a6ae.jpg.html)


(http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo339/appeangel07_photos/29-9-08/new%20coin%20album/005-1_zps56c292c4.jpg) (http://s389.photobucket.com/user/appeangel07_photos/media/29-9-08/new%20coin%20album/005-1_zps56c292c4.jpg.html)
Title: RE: Home job
Post by: trout on May 30, 2013, 05:45:04 PM
Quote from: 'accumulator' pid='16580' dateline='1369901234'I made this one with 3 X 5 cent coins & a hammer,a vice can also be used instead of the hammer.

(http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo339/appeangel07_photos/29-9-08/new%20coin%20album/002-4_zps01a3a6ae.jpg) (http://s389.photobucket.com/user/appeangel07_photos/media/29-9-08/new%20coin%20album/002-4_zps01a3a6ae.jpg.html)


(http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo339/appeangel07_photos/29-9-08/new%20coin%20album/005-1_zps56c292c4.jpg) (http://s389.photobucket.com/user/appeangel07_photos/media/29-9-08/new%20coin%20album/005-1_zps56c292c4.jpg.html)

There is Nothing as good as the feeling when you replicate a "Bogus" coin in the shed to prove that a coin is BS.
Welcome to the prove the bastards wrong and keep em honest club Mate :yahoo:
always make sure that you either destroy or drown these "test" coins or they WILL eventually find their way on to eBay if you put them back in the pond :ok:
Title: RE: Home job
Post by: Fulvio on May 30, 2013, 08:19:19 PM
Quote from: 'markn' pid='16542' dateline='1369878410'This is incredibly unlikely.

Unlikely <> Impossible. Lots of unlikely things have happened.

I'm sticking with the opinion that its not a shed job. Its also not something that turned up in someone's change of course. Either its an accidental error or a sport. Either way it got smuggled out by whoever cleared (or caused) the jam, but I think its too clean and tidy for it to have been made with a hammer or vice.
Title: RE: Home job
Post by: trout on May 30, 2013, 08:28:53 PM
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='16616' dateline='1369910959'
Quote from: 'markn' pid='16542' dateline='1369878410'This is incredibly unlikely.

Unlikely <> Impossible. Lots of unlikely things have happened.

I'm sticking with the opinion that its not a shed job. Its also not something that turned up in someone's change of course. Either its an accidental error or a sport. Either way it got smuggled out by whoever cleared (or caused) the jam, but I think its too clean and tidy for it to have been made with a hammer or vice.

It may have been"Well Struck" in the shed also:diablo:
I have access to 75 tone porta power rams that could possibly create this.
I may have a crack at it on the next project :diablo: if I have the time :angel:
Title: RE: Home job
Post by: Ozcoins on May 30, 2013, 08:30:59 PM
I will also chime in that I think the 5c in the ebay listing in this thread is junk.
Title: RE: Home job
Post by: Fulvio on May 30, 2013, 08:46:41 PM
Quote from: 'Ozcoins' pid='16619' dateline='1369911659'I will also chime in that I think the 5c in the ebay listing in this thread is junk.

Clearly we have differing opinions, and since nobody here is likely to bid, that's all they'll remain. But does anyone actually believe a dealer with 2288 100% positive feedback and 13 pages of pretty decent offerings is likely to sully himself over a lousy twenty bucks? I think not, which means he believes it to be real, as do a number of other people.
Title: RE: Home job
Post by: Ozcoins on May 30, 2013, 08:51:25 PM
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='16625' dateline='1369912601'
Quote from: 'Ozcoins' pid='16619' dateline='1369911659'I will also chime in that I think the 5c in the ebay listing in this thread is junk.

Clearly we have differing opinions, and since nobody here is likely to bid, that's all they'll remain. But does anyone actually believe a dealer with 2288 100% positive feedback and 13 pages of pretty decent offerings is likely to sully himself over a lousy twenty bucks? I think not, which means he believes it to be real, as do a number of other people.

Assuming the lister thinks it is real, he might also be mistaken.
Fake "error" coins been listed by auction houses too.
They are supposed to really know their stuff.
Title: RE: Home job
Post by: trout on May 30, 2013, 08:56:56 PM
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='16625' dateline='1369912601'
Quote from: 'Ozcoins' pid='16619' dateline='1369911659'I will also chime in that I think the 5c in the ebay listing in this thread is junk.

Clearly we have differing opinions, and since nobody here is likely to bid, that's all they'll remain. But does anyone actually believe a dealer with 2288 100% positive feedback and 13 pages of pretty decent offerings is likely to sully himself over a lousy twenty bucks? I think not, which means he believes it to be real, as do a number of other people.

I have a 1834 feedback score and a power seller and a top rated seller rating, does than mean if I consider a 1927 Canberra florin to be a proof coin it is Kosher?
Defiantly not IMHO , the coin is "what it is" Just because you are a volume seller and have good feedback on eBay doesn't make you a coin guru IMHO :ok:
The coin in question IS PMD and always will be PMD , Whoever sells it.
Title: RE: Home job
Post by: accumulator on May 31, 2013, 07:48:09 AM
OK you want a more crisp strike,just use a bigger hammer,like this.

(http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo339/appeangel07_photos/29-9-08/new%20coin%20album/IMG_NEW-1_zpsd8572c14.jpg)
Title: RE: Home job
Post by: Robster on May 31, 2013, 08:32:02 AM
Proves to me that it is not too difficult to produce these "error" coins. A good lesson on being vigilant concerning Ebay. Thanks team.!!
Title: RE: Home job
Post by: markn on May 31, 2013, 08:37:25 AM
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='16625' dateline='1369912601'
Quote from: 'Ozcoins' pid='16619' dateline='1369911659'I will also chime in that I think the 5c in the ebay listing in this thread is junk.

Clearly we have differing opinions, and since nobody here is likely to bid, that's all they'll remain. But does anyone actually believe a dealer with 2288 100% positive feedback and 13 pages of pretty decent offerings is likely to sully himself over a lousy twenty bucks? I think not, which means he believes it to be real, as do a number of other people.

Your opinion is wrong though and the people who have reproduced the same sort of "error" in this thread should prove it to you.

And as to your argument about the seller having a lot of feedback and it having some relationship with what they know about errors... well a REAL coin dealer, IAG listed several of these types of  "errors" in an auction last year thinking they were real and pulled them on advice from several people.  They'd actually SOLD some of them (from the same vendor presumably) in a prior auction.  If a real coin dealer can fall for it why on earth would you think some numpty on eBay wouldn't?
Title: RE: Home job
Post by: markn on May 31, 2013, 08:39:59 AM
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='16616' dateline='1369910959'
Quote from: 'markn' pid='16542' dateline='1369878410'This is incredibly unlikely.

Unlikely <> Impossible. Lots of unlikely things have happened.

I'm sticking with the opinion that its not a shed job. Its also not something that turned up in someone's change of course. Either its an accidental error or a sport. Either way it got smuggled out by whoever cleared (or caused) the jam, but I think its too clean and tidy for it to have been made with a hammer or vice.

I've mentioned Occam's razor on here a few times.  The simplest explanation is almost always the RIGHT explanation.  So here we have people posting in this thread who have "made" errors just like the on in the eBay listing.  And we have a long string of incredibly unlikely events that could end up in that coin being made in a press.  Which is the more likely explanation?

Email me Fulvio and I'll tell you how they do it with a hammer or vice without damaging the coin.  It's actually quite simple.
Title: RE: Home job
Post by: accumulator on May 31, 2013, 09:30:47 AM
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='16625' dateline='1369912601'
Quote from: 'Ozcoins' pid='16619' dateline='1369911659'I will also chime in that I think the 5c in the ebay listing in this thread is junk.

Clearly we have differing opinions, and since nobody here is likely to bid, that's all they'll remain. But does anyone actually believe a dealer with 2288 100% positive feedback and 13 pages of pretty decent offerings is likely to sully himself over a lousy twenty bucks? I think not, which means he believes it to be real, as do a number of other people.


Fulvio,no ones saying the seller is deliberately trying to deceive,they probably think it's real too.

None of the coins i have manufactured will ever appear for sale anywhere,they are produced purely as an educational tool,the main reason i started making them is my Mrs could not understand how they could have been produced by someone at home.

We've recently seen a 15 cent coin on ebay

  http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/COIN-15-CENT-COIN-AUSTRALIAN-ERROR-COIN-/251280878190?_uhb=1&pt=AU_Coins2&hash=item3a8181ea6e&nma=true&si=J6Uuw%252Ffnyd25Mih23RbdknJF0TM%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

pretty rough but a huge profit really.
Here is a 30 cent,have a look how good the strike is on this one.

(http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo339/appeangel07_photos/29-9-08/new%20coin%20album/IMG_0003_NEW_zps3e9283e8.jpg)

(http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo339/appeangel07_photos/29-9-08/new%20coin%20album/IMG_0004_NEW_zps33498f6c.jpg)
Title: RE: Home job
Post by: enworb on May 31, 2013, 05:25:49 PM
I agree its worthless rubbish. From memory this seller has sold a few similar coins before.
Title: RE: Home job
Post by: Fulvio on May 31, 2013, 08:25:30 PM
Quote from: 'markn' pid='16668' dateline='1369955399'Email me Fulvio and I'll tell you how they do it with a hammer or vice without damaging the coin.

Pass. I actually don't want to know. Just like I don't want to know how to print plastic assault rifles.

And yeah, the PMD that's been posted here has been very interesting.