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Title: 1928 Penny Broken 8 Variety
Post by: Splock on May 20, 2013, 10:35:09 AM
So I won this Penny for a cheap price on Friday. It was listed as a "Broken 8" variety. (http://imageshack.us/a/img13/4351/australian1928pennyrevb.jpg)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img59/9769/australian1928pennyrev.jpg)

What I didn't notice until I got it home was that it also had a broken "O" in OMN: on the Obverse. (http://imageshack.us/a/img254/1461/australian1928pennyobvb.jpg)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img96/2837/australian1928pennyobv.jpg)


Twice the errors for half the price. Bargain! :yahoo:
Title: RE: 1928 Penny Broken 8 Variety
Post by: Nevol on May 20, 2013, 11:53:22 AM
The 1928 Penny can be found with these 'broken' letters/numerals, cuds etc...
Broken bottom of 8 in date
Broken top of 8 in date
Broken O in OMN
Broken O in GEORGIVS
Broken 2 in date
Broken D in FD
Cuds on 2nd M in COMMONWEALTH
Cuds around OMN

Plus another I'm not too sure about, is a missing base to the I in Australia.

I'd say your coin has more of these than you've picked up so far. :winkextra:
Title: RE: 1928 Penny Broken 8 Variety
Post by: Splock on May 20, 2013, 12:06:17 PM
Quote from: 'Nevol' pid='15569' dateline='1369016602'The 1928 Penny can be found with these 'broken' letters/numerals, cuds etc...
Broken bottom of 8 in date
Broken top of 8 in date
Broken O in OMN
Broken O in GEORGIVS
Broken 2 in date
Broken D in FD
Cuds on 2nd M in COMMONWEALTH
Cuds around OMN

Plus another I'm not too sure about, is a missing base to the I in Australia.

I'd say your coin has more of these than you've picked up so far. :winkextra:

What do you know that O in GEORIVS is missing a certain something and that D in FD isn't complete either!

Thanks Nancy.
Title: RE: 1928 Penny Broken 8 Variety
Post by: robbiegal on May 20, 2013, 05:06:31 PM
my count is 7 breaks

not so sure about the cud in comm
I have never seen one of those

nice coin Splock
Title: RE: 1928 Penny Broken 8 Variety
Post by: Robster on May 20, 2013, 06:28:35 PM
Definitely scored a bargain with this coin, many breaks on the one coin.!!!:yahoo:
Title: RE: 1928 Penny Broken 8 Variety
Post by: Fordprefect on May 21, 2013, 04:22:15 PM
The 1928 Multiple Break penny.
(It is actually Die Fill)
I'd rank it equal first to be collected by Penny Variety Collectors.
(The Other would be the '64 "Star" Die Crack)

Reverse :-
1: Die Break bottom of 8 in Date
2: Die Break top of 8 in Date
3: Die Break top of 2 in Date
4: Die Break in base of U in Australia
5: Die Chip in front of P of Penny
(Without this "Dot" very scarce in combination with the other errors present)
6: Die Break top of O first O of Commonwealth.
At this point in the Die's life the First Leg of the second N in penny
is becoming very thin as well.
(http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv160/ford_prefect/Australian%20Coin%20Forum/1928800Rev_zpse30fc0f3.jpg)

Obverse :-
7: Die Break Bottom of O of OMG
8: Die Break Bottom of D of FD
9: Die Break Bottom of O in Georgivs.
(http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv160/ford_prefect/Australian%20Coin%20Forum/1928800Obv_zpsebcf83ac.jpg)
Title: RE: 1928 Penny Broken 8 Variety
Post by: Unicorn on May 21, 2013, 04:30:25 PM
Fabulous photos Fordprefect ...... along with your usual exceptional penny analysis :good:
Title: RE: 1928 Penny Broken 8 Variety
Post by: robbiegal on May 21, 2013, 05:22:28 PM
oh dear
I will be combing through my 1928's tonight!!
Title: RE: 1928 Penny Broken 8 Variety
Post by: Robster on May 21, 2013, 05:43:14 PM
So much easier to find these with such beautiful photos. thanks Ford Prefect. (once again).
Title: RE: 1928 Penny Broken 8 Variety
Post by: robbiegal on May 21, 2013, 05:55:25 PM
I have got 2 of them all but not that number 6
Sure that it's not just some die fill happening there on the O?
Title: RE: 1928 Penny Broken 8 Variety
Post by: Fordprefect on May 21, 2013, 06:20:20 PM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='15720' dateline='1369124725'I got them all but not that number 6
Sure that it's not just some die fill happening there on the O?
All the so called breaks on this particular poor sod of a coin
are Die Fill.

If you have a large hoard of them you will also find
the base of the G's in George also filled and most of
the D's also suffer the same fate.
But they don't appear on the Multiple Error coin's.

The missing Die Fill error on that coin I put up is the
10 error job with Die Fill removing the Base Serif's from
the I in Australia.(Can't find it)

Very scarce variety to find without that Die Chip Dot (5)
and All the other Fills present.
Title: RE: 1928 Penny Broken 8 Variety
Post by: robbiegal on May 21, 2013, 06:48:59 PM
I corrected my earlier reply
I have 2 of the ones with the dot
but not a hoard (12 of the various broken this and that)

i'll have a closer look through them now
Title: RE: 1928 Penny Broken 8 Variety
Post by: robbiegal on July 07, 2013, 07:15:10 PM
found this beauty today
has been harshly scratched in the past but still a very groovy error coin!
also has a tiny edge clip which is separate to the die errors
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a585/auntyrobbs/P70600722-Copy_zps558368f1.jpg)(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a585/auntyrobbs/P70600712_zps0990b498.jpg)
Title: RE: 1928 Penny Broken 8 Variety
Post by: Goldseeker on July 07, 2013, 09:37:53 PM
A lot of "acne" on that coin robbiegal!
Title: RE: 1928 Penny Broken 8 Variety
Post by: Fulvio on July 07, 2013, 09:42:51 PM
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='20662' dateline='1373198873'A lot of "acne" on that coin robbiegal!

Nothing a little Clearasil (or maybe an angle grinder) wouldn't fix...

"Gonna be like new!" :angel:
Title: RE: 1928 Penny Broken 8 Variety
Post by: Goldseeker on July 07, 2013, 09:48:31 PM
He he..........
Title: RE: 1928 Penny Broken 8 Variety
Post by: Robster on July 08, 2013, 12:36:23 AM
My type of coin (great pics as well) New Camera??.
Title: RE: 1928 Penny Broken 8 Variety
Post by: Fordprefect on July 08, 2013, 11:12:47 AM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='20647' dateline='1373190310'found this beauty today
has been harshly scratched in the past but still a very groovy error coin!
also has a tiny edge clip which is separate to the die errors
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a585/auntyrobbs/P70600712_zps0990b498.jpg)

Robbie I think there is more going on with that coin.
I'm thinking it's a later stage die strike.

1. U of Australia starting to fill
2. Die chip at base of last leg of last A of Australia
3. Possible die chip or cud inside base of E in Penny
(http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv160/ford_prefect/Australian%20Coin%20Forum/Robbies_19281dReverse_zps09319844.jpg)

Yellow Arrows
Cud form in base of E of One
Something going on with 1st N of Penny
Die chip or cud on leg of P of Penny
(http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv160/ford_prefect/Australian%20Coin%20Forum/Robbies_19281dReverse-crop_zps7583b4de.jpg)
Title: RE: 1928 Penny Broken 8 Variety
Post by: Goldseeker on July 08, 2013, 04:41:42 PM
Someone forgot to highlight the scratches.............
Title: RE: 1928 Penny Broken 8 Variety
Post by: robbiegal on July 08, 2013, 05:56:35 PM
too cool
thanks Dr. Fordie


no Prof. Robster - not a new camera but I am trying to educate myself more on how to use the thing - bought it in feb when the first grandie came into the world

I think the scratches are proof like die polishing Goldie
coin must be worth a fortune!! ha ha
Title: RE: 1928 Penny Broken 8 Variety
Post by: Fulvio on July 08, 2013, 07:24:44 PM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='20720' dateline='1373271995'coin must be worth a fortune!! ha ha

Ooooh.. really?
I must rush off and place an order with the Trout Mintâ„¢ for some of their FdT (Fleur de Trout) coins with extra polishing then. :)
Title: RE: 1928 Penny Broken 8 Variety
Post by: Goldseeker on July 08, 2013, 08:50:11 PM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='20720' dateline='1373271995'too cool
thanks Dr. Fordie


no Prof. Robster - not a new camera but I am trying to educate myself more on how to use the thing - bought it in feb when the first grandie came into the world

I think the scratches are proof like die polishing Goldie
coin must be worth a fortune!! ha ha

What!   Polished with a grinding wheel.................or rotating wire brush!
Title: RE: 1928 Penny Broken 8 Variety
Post by: robbiegal on July 08, 2013, 10:17:56 PM
when only the best will do! ha ha

after the mint workers finished with the dies for rare 1928 penny, they then proceeded to scrub up the barbie!!
Title: RE: 1928 Penny Broken 8 Variety
Post by: Robster on July 09, 2013, 10:50:16 AM
(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o787/robster836/002_zps43fac2a0.jpg)
(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o787/robster836/003_zpsa1c8413c.jpg)
A couple of extra errors on this one Reverse- Weak Strike 'TRALIA' and impression of N on first leg of second 'N'. Obverse-Cud on O of OMN, Soft Strike RGIVS VD and Die Clash at back of Kings Head.
Title: RE: 1928 Penny Broken 8 Variety
Post by: Unicorn on July 09, 2013, 11:11:16 AM
QuoteDie Clash at back of Kings Head

O, that is a nice ONE Robster!
Title: RE: 1928 Penny Broken 8 Variety
Post by: robbiegal on July 09, 2013, 01:21:38 PM
jeepers
they come in a range of varieties don't they?
Title: RE: 1928 Penny Broken 8 Variety
Post by: Fordprefect on July 09, 2013, 01:24:21 PM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='20791' dateline='1373341898'jeepers
they come in a range of varieties don't they?
Heinz comes to mind:-:angel:
Title: RE: 1928 Penny Broken 8 Variety
Post by: robbiegal on July 09, 2013, 05:36:58 PM
meanz beanz
Title: RE: 1928 Penny Broken 8 Variety
Post by: trout on July 11, 2013, 08:48:05 AM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='20822' dateline='1373357218'meanz beanz

Hines means Beanz.
Beanz means fartz
:angel:
Title: RE: 1928 Penny Broken 8 Variety
Post by: interest on February 05, 2015, 11:48:32 PM
This one is nearly broken.
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb22/interest88/28_zpsgy7qjqhx.jpg)
Title: 1928 penny broken "8"?
Post by: trout on July 10, 2015, 10:04:46 AM
I was looking at a few coppers and noticed this one, is it a known "variety" ?

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1928_1d.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1928_1d1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1928_1d2.jpg)
Title: RE: 1928 penny broken "8"?
Post by: stevo1962 on July 10, 2015, 10:54:20 AM
IT's definately a known variety and would think it's quite common as I've had a few over
the years and they didn't seem to stir up much interest when I was selling them
Title: RE: 1928 penny broken "8"?
Post by: Fordprefect on July 10, 2015, 11:07:26 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='75447' dateline='1436488486'I was looking at a few coppers and noticed this one, is it a known "variety" ?

Yes :- http://www.australian-coins.net/showthread.php?tid=1103&highlight=1928+penny
Title: RE: 1928 penny broken "8"?
Post by: robbiegal on July 10, 2015, 12:06:40 PM
nice grade too
Title: RE: 1928 penny broken "8"?
Post by: trout on July 10, 2015, 01:02:12 PM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='75451' dateline='1436495800'nice grade too

Yes not too "shabby" :)
It has two other breaks on the "2" and also the top of the "8", the second "N" is weak legged but I cant find a dot before the "P" in PENNY.

A few more pics.

weak "N"
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1928_1d4.jpg)

no dot
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1928_1d3.jpg)

8 pearls and a Centre diamond :)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1928_1d5.jpg)
Title: RE: 1928 penny broken "8"?
Post by: robbiegal on July 10, 2015, 03:54:42 PM
they vary
Fordie knows more than me about them
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/P6140050_-_Copy.JPG)(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/P6140049_-_Copy.JPG)
Title: RE: 1928 Penny Broken 8 Variety
Post by: Nevol on July 11, 2015, 07:02:01 AM
Some of those 1928 Pennies can have quite a lot of 'bits' of the letters or numbers missing.

I think I remember the most 'missing bits' from one coin was 9, that was on the old ACBO forum and I think the poster was QldSandy.

There're some lists of the known 'missing bits' in some earlier posts in this thread. :biggrin:
Title: RE: 1928 Penny Broken 8 Variety
Post by: MattGold on July 21, 2015, 09:24:57 AM
I'll quickly add this one, last year sometime I was in an auction bidding on a broken 8 variety and noticed something a tad different with the coin. It was missing part of the bottom scroll. Bidding ended up going higher than I wanted to pay for it but thinking back, I haven't seen another one since.
Title: RE: 1928 Penny Broken 8 Variety
Post by: robbiegal on July 21, 2015, 05:29:56 PM
humm
I don't have too many but I will have a look through mine
Fordie knows heaps about this error - perhaps he can enlighten us!