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Title: 1983 $5 without serial
Post by: Pedro on May 20, 2013, 07:35:42 AM
There have been several of these notes for sale over the past week or so (not always $5s):

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1983-5-JOHNSTONE-STONE-NO-SERIAL-NUMBERS-ERROR-NOTE-/171040136442?pt=AU_Notes&hash=item27d2c95cfa#ht_38wt_1399

How did they escape without serials?

Pedro
Title: RE: 1983 $5 without serial
Post by: Nevol on May 20, 2013, 07:44:26 AM
Unless the seller is the person who removed the Serial No, how does he/she know it's a 1983 note? Very fishy! :dodgy:
Title: RE: 1983 $5 without serial
Post by: MattGold on May 20, 2013, 07:50:02 AM
Quote from: 'Nevol' pid='15518' dateline='1369001666'Unless the seller is the person who removed the Serial No, how does he/she know it's a 1983 note? Very fishy! :dodgy:

Johnston and Stone were the signatures for that year Nevol.

Matt
Title: RE: 1983 $5 without serial
Post by: JeffH on May 20, 2013, 07:52:47 AM
Nancy,
Johnston/Stone notes were 1983/84 but usually just referred to as "1983". You should have known that.

Jeff
Title: RE: 1983 $5 without serial
Post by: Nevol on May 20, 2013, 08:34:01 AM
:angel: I'm not a big collector of notes despite the fact that I have a couple hundred of them.  I've never taken much notice of signatures on any, so I'm really just demonstrating my ignorance. I'll bow out gracefully now. :blush:

Please forgive me. :beg:
Title: RE: 1983 $5 without serial
Post by: accumulator on May 20, 2013, 08:45:24 AM
They've already sold a $10 & a $20 the same for over $2K each ? i'm afraid i'm very very skeptical of them being authentic.
Title: RE: 1983 $5 without serial
Post by: ausjack on May 20, 2013, 09:07:40 AM
Yeah I agree accu, hard enough find one let alone 3 and who knows how many more they have. Could be legit but sounding to good to be true.
Title: RE: 1983 $5 without serial
Post by: trout on May 20, 2013, 09:11:23 AM
Could be an "Insider Job" stolen off the presses before the serial number was printed :dodgy:
Title: RE: 1983 $5 without serial
Post by: JeffH on May 20, 2013, 09:38:36 AM
A missing serial is possible but, I'm with trout; extremely likely to escape into the wide world in the normal course of events.
I can't recall any being offered before (outside eBay).

And, despite her minor lapse about date I agree with Nancy
QuoteVery fishy!
Title: RE: 1983 $5 without serial
Post by: Mister T on May 20, 2013, 04:57:42 PM
I remember seeing a pair of no-number paper $10 in an auction catalogue some time ago, but supposedly a teller had written on the numbers with a pen (probably based on the rest in the bundle).

They seem okay at a glance.
Title: RE: 1983 $5 without serial
Post by: JeffH on May 20, 2013, 06:09:10 PM
Gee, I would love to have that bundle! Hope (s)he wrote number lightly in pencil.
Or, is this another old wives tale?

I do know someone (a customer) who collects mostly pre-decimal coins. He has a 1923 ½d and 1930 1d; never seen them, he has them in a safety deposit box at the bank. Saw his other sets of these type coins and some very nice ones -hidden under a false top on his writing desk.
His son (worked at Commonwealth Bank) got him a 1966 $1 note mint bundle and he has been giving away notes to friends and acquaintances as decimal souvenirs. I saw the remnants (still has the band around) and almost cried.

Jeff
What a first serial 1966 $1 mint bundle be worth now?
Title: RE: 1983 $5 without serial
Post by: bellyflorin on May 20, 2013, 06:15:31 PM
:dodgy: hmm the seller sold that  $5 note back on the 12th of May ,

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1983-5-JOHNSTONE-STONE-NO-SERIAL-NUMBERS-ERROR-NOTE-/171035595663?pt=AU_Notes&hash=item27d284138f  

maybe the seller has  a few of them , or  the sale fell through :scratch_one-s_head: the same photo used in both listings tho
Title: RE: 1983 $5 without serial
Post by: JeffH on May 20, 2013, 07:35:00 PM
Love the question and answer on that one. Now it is as clear as mud!
Title: RE: 1983 $5 without serial
Post by: trout on May 20, 2013, 07:42:28 PM
A SUPER INVESTMENT FOR THE FUTUTE, THE NOTE HAS NO TEARS OR PINHOLES
I took this off the listing, Smells like seafood to me:dodgy:
Title: RE: 1983 $5 without serial
Post by: Pedro on May 21, 2013, 06:56:47 AM
Thanks for the opinions folks. It did have me wondering but not tempted given the prices paid so far!

Pedro
Title: RE: 1983 $5 without serial
Post by: stevo1962 on May 21, 2013, 10:31:59 AM
This lot may be a bargain for someone interested in this kind of banknote

http://www.ebay.com/itm/5xJohnston-Stone-Running-Numbers-10-Banknotes-One-with-Missing-Numbers-UNC-Con-/221225692278?
Title: RE: 1983 $5 without serial
Post by: stevo1962 on May 21, 2013, 01:32:16 PM
Just bought these and also found the noble auction provenance to prove authenticity.Notice the 2 bottom right notes have extra black ink spots on them

[attachment=1962]



http://www.noble.com.au/auctions/lot/?id=293633
Title: RE: 1983 $5 without serial
Post by: Unicorn on May 21, 2013, 02:44:40 PM
Well done Stevo! Nice set of notes. :good:

Did the previous purchaser off load the last 5 (of the run of 10) to recoup some of the costs?
Title: RE: 1983 $5 without serial
Post by: stevo1962 on May 21, 2013, 02:49:55 PM
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='15696' dateline='1369113280'Well done Stevo! Nice set of notes. :good:

Did the previous purchaser off load the last 5 (of the run of 10) to recoup some of the costs?

Must have sold them off earlier.I didnt realise it was originally a 10 consecutive note lot until he told me to look up the Noble site to confirm provenance and authenticity.Just lucky to have the extra information
Title: RE: 1983 $5 without serial
Post by: Unicorn on May 21, 2013, 03:05:13 PM
Yes the extra info would definately make it a more comfortable puchase. Congrats again!
Title: RE: 1983 $5 without serial
Post by: Mister T on May 21, 2013, 06:02:36 PM
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='15607' dateline='1369039150'Gee, I would love to have that bundle! Hope (s)he wrote number lightly in pencil.
Or, is this another old wives tale?

No such luck, it was a blue ballpoint.
It was definitely photographed and in an auction catalogue, but I can't remember what auction house it was.