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Australian Coins, Banknotes and Exonumia => Australian Pre-Decimal Coins => Topic started by: Mister T on May 12, 2013, 11:53:14 AM

Title: 1920 pennies
Post by: Mister T on May 12, 2013, 11:53:14 AM
So I saw this recently: http://www.strandcoins.com/categories/australian-coins/pre-decimal/circulation/show/australia-1920-penny?retURL=%2Fcategories%2Faustralian-coins%2Fpre-decimal%2Fcirculation%2F%3F%26start%3D15%26item%3D31

I was intrigued because I didn't realise any 1920 pennies were struck in Perth (I thought that started in 1921) and I'd never seen any mintages attributed to the various 1920 penny varieties.
Is there some up-to-date reference on 1920 pennies or has someone just done some of their own research?
Title: RE: 1920 pennies
Post by: MattGold on May 12, 2013, 12:08:51 PM
I'm still working on my penny knowledge so I will leave the experts to answer your question/:idea::idea:
Title: RE: 1920 pennies
Post by: wwwww on May 12, 2013, 12:24:11 PM
The Perth mint produced 93,600 pennies in December 1921, they only had 1920 dies from Sydney on hand at the time so it's logical to conclude these pieces were dated 1920.
Title: RE: 1920 pennies
Post by: Robster on May 12, 2013, 12:26:20 PM
Rare English obverse but I believe minted in Melb. or Sydney.:dodgy:
Title: RE: 1920 pennies
Post by: wwwww on May 12, 2013, 12:27:26 PM
Just to add to that, I'm under the impression that the Perth Mint 1920 pennies are identifiable as having a dot above the lower scroll without crushed denticles.
Title: RE: 1920 pennies
Post by: Mister T on May 12, 2013, 01:26:58 PM
Hm, http://naa-online.com/pdfjournal/Vol1/Vol%201%20Article%201.pdf says the 93,600 Perth pennies were dated 1921. Not the most up-to-date reference but I will continue my reading.
Where did you get your information from wwwww?
Title: RE: 1920 pennies
Post by: Unicorn on May 12, 2013, 01:50:28 PM
I'm with Walter. The dot above was "thought" minted Sydney, but uncertain.

I'm pretty sure the OP coin is a London Obverse, Melbourne Mint.

It's the same as my post in the below with the 5 images.

http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=142406&whichpage=2 (http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=142406&whichpage=2)
Title: RE: 1920 pennies
Post by: wwwww on May 12, 2013, 02:10:15 PM
That was from memory (and wrong at that), they actually had 4 1921 dies from Melbourne and 2 1920 dies from Sydney. These are from my own notes derived from Sharples' articles and mint records.
Title: RE: 1920 pennies
Post by: Mister T on May 12, 2013, 04:40:10 PM
Okay, thanks for the information Robster, Unicorn and wwwww, it makes a bit more sense now.
I'll have another look at the article again later again anyway.
Title: RE: 1920 pennies
Post by: Mister T on May 19, 2013, 03:59:05 PM
Okay, so the information about Perth may have come from http://www.sterlingcurrency.com.au/files/1922PENNYSPECIMEN.pdf
It says that Perth's first pennies may have been dated 1920 at the bottom of page 5, but I haven't thoroughly read the whole article.
Title: RE: 1920 pennies
Post by: autocoupler on July 22, 2013, 03:08:26 PM
Quote from: 'Mister T' pid='14533' dateline='1368331018'Hm, http://naa-online.com/pdfjournal/Vol1/Vol%201%20Article%201.pdf says the 93,600 Perth pennies were dated 1921. Not the most up-to-date reference but I will continue my reading.
Where did you get your information from wwwww?

Hmmm....OK so I'll try again damnit

Was just looking at the very informative link but noticed a discrepency on page 6. The notations referring to London and Calcutta obverse dies to my mind should be reversed. Cheers
Title: RE: 1920 pennies
Post by: nealeffendi on September 17, 2013, 11:48:04 AM
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='14535' dateline='1368333615'That was from memory (and wrong at that), they actually had 4 1921 dies from Melbourne and 2 1920 dies from Sydney. These are from my own notes derived from Sharples' articles and mint records.

Hi Walter. According to Anthea Harris Sydney did send a few reverse dies to  Perth along with a number of Indian obverse dies. But the coins struck in late 1921 would have to be Indian obverse as Melb didn't get the new obverse (English) until early 1922. Sydney couldn't have sent English obverses as they only had 3 and according to Bill Mullett they were destroyed in Sydney in 1924. Also did Sydney have any dot below dies to even send to Perth?
I agree that Perth minted 1920 dated coins did not have crushed denticles and Perth probably struck the dot above English.
Title: RE: 1920 pennies
Post by: nealeffendi on September 21, 2013, 03:21:25 PM
Quote from: 'Mister T' pid='14516' dateline='1368325394'So I saw this recently: http://www.strandcoins.com/categories/australian-coins/pre-decimal/circulation/show/australia-1920-penny?retURL=%2Fcategories%2Faustralian-coins%2Fpre-decimal%2Fcirculation%2F%3F%26start%3D15%26item%3D31

I was intrigued because I didn't realise any 1920 pennies were struck in Perth (I thought that started in 1921) and I'd never seen any mintages attributed to the various 1920 penny varieties.
Is there some up-to-date reference on 1920 pennies or has someone just done some of their own research?

Hi Mr T
I've contacted Mark and he thanked me for pointing it out to him. He had forgotten to correct the listing.
I have exchanged a few more emails with him in regards the 1920 penny varieties. He mentioned recent research by Dr Brigg's. Has anyone read this research or know who Dr Brigg's is? I'm most interested in getting hold of this information

Quote from: 'Mister T' pid='14516' dateline='1368325394'So I saw this recently: http://www.strandcoins.com/categories/australian-coins/pre-decimal/circulation/show/australia-1920-penny?retURL=%2Fcategories%2Faustralian-coins%2Fpre-decimal%2Fcirculation%2F%3F%26start%3D15%26item%3D31

I was intrigued because I didn't realise any 1920 pennies were struck in Perth (I thought that started in 1921) and I'd never seen any mintages attributed to the various 1920 penny varieties.
Is there some up-to-date reference on 1920 pennies or has someone just done some of their own research?

Hi Mr T
I've contacted Mark and he thanked me for pointing it out to him. He had forgotten to correct the listing.
I have exchanged a few more emails with him in regards the 1920 penny varieties. He mentioned recent research by Dr Brigg's. Has anyone read this research or know who Dr Brigg's is? I'm most interested in getting hold of this information
Title: RE: 1920 pennies
Post by: Mister T on September 21, 2013, 04:09:53 PM
How recent is recent? I haven't heard of this research either but if you find out any more let us know.