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Non Numismatic Discussion => Chin Wag => Topic started by: markn on May 10, 2013, 07:45:14 PM

Title: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: markn on May 10, 2013, 07:45:14 PM
OK here's my first contest.  Below are the images of 10 half pennies.  They are all graded by PCGS.  Contest is simple.  Guess the grades and colour codes.  Contest will be scored as follows:

1pt - guess the correct grade for a coin
1pt - guess the colour code for a coin
1pt - get the grade and colour code right and get a bonus point

Example: If the coin is a MS64BN and you guess it's a MS64RB you'll get 1 point.  If you guess it's a MS65BN you'll get one point.  If you guess it's a MS63RB you get no points.  If you guess it's a MS64BN you get 3 points.

The poster with the most points wins.  If there's a tie I'll post up a penny image for the tied winners to grade to break the tie.

Conditions: You get one entry and one entry only.  And when it's posted you cannot change it (I'll lock posts in this thread).

Entries Close: Friday 17 May at 8:00PM Eastern Time.   I'll use the post time on the forum to determine which entries make the deadline.

Prize: A 1998 American Silver Eagle containing one ounce of silver.

Here's the prize:

(http://www.australian-coins.net/images/contests/prize.jpg)

And here's the coins:

Coin 1
(http://www.australian-coins.net/images/contests/contest-1.jpg)
Coin 2
(http://www.australian-coins.net/images/contests/contest-2.jpg)
Coin 3
(http://www.australian-coins.net/images/contests/contest-3.jpg)
Coin 4
(http://www.australian-coins.net/images/contests/contest-4.jpg)
Coin 5
(http://www.australian-coins.net/images/contests/contest-5.jpg)
Coin 6
(http://www.australian-coins.net/images/contests/contest-6.jpg)
Coin 7
(http://www.australian-coins.net/images/contests/contest-7.jpg)
Coin 8
(http://www.australian-coins.net/images/contests/contest-8.jpg)
Coin 9
(http://www.australian-coins.net/images/contests/contest-9.jpg)
Coin 10
(http://www.australian-coins.net/images/contests/contest-10.jpg)
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: echidna on May 10, 2013, 08:24:37 PM
1 63RB
2 64RB
3 65RB
4 65RB
5 65BN
6 64RB
7 65RB
8 64BN
9 63RB
10 65RB
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: Fordprefect on May 10, 2013, 08:31:47 PM
1: MS63BN
2: MS64RB
3: MS64RB
4: MS65BN
5: MS65RD
6: MS64RB
7: MS65RD
8: MS65RB
9: MS64RB
10: MS64RB
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: Fr45h3R on May 10, 2013, 08:33:53 PM
63RB
64RB
64RB
64BN
65RB
65RB
64RD
64BN
63RB
65BN
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: enworb on May 10, 2013, 08:40:58 PM
1. 63BN
2. 64RB
3. 65RB
4. 65BN
5. 65RB
6. 65RB
7. 64RD
8. 65BN
9. 63BN
10. 64RB
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: ausjack on May 10, 2013, 10:11:39 PM
I might have got 2 if I'm lucky but thanks heaps Mark it's been a really good learning exercise :good:
1 62RB
2 64RB
3 63RB
4 66+RB
5 64RB
6 63RB
7 62RB
8 63RB
9 63RB
10 64RB
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: accumulator on May 10, 2013, 10:47:09 PM
1. 63RB
2. 65BN
3. 64BN
4. 65RB
5. 66BN
6. 65BN
7. 65RD
8. 65BN
9. 63BN
10. 65BN
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: MattGold on May 11, 2013, 09:46:32 AM
1. MS63BN
2. MS65RB
3. MS64RB
4. MS64BN
5. MS64RB
6. MS65RB
7. MS63RD
8. MS65RB
9. MS64RB
10. MS65RB

My eyes, my eyes!!!! More straining than noodling trying to grade a coin. Crikey. I think I need a pair of those magnifier glasses lol.

Good luck all
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: Nevol on May 11, 2013, 11:01:37 AM
Probably all :dodgy:
1. 63RB
2. 64RB
3. 64BN
4. 65BN
5. 65BN
6. 64RB
7. 64RB
8. 64BN
9. 63RB
10. 64RB
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: ausjack on May 11, 2013, 11:16:37 AM
Think I might have been a bit hard so this is my new list but I'm keen to see resulst to give me an idea of how far out I am :)
So still all RB but most I gave an extra grade.
1 63
2 64
3 64
4 64
5 64
6 64
7 64
8 64
9 63
10 65

Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='14316' dateline='1368189699'I might have got 2 if I'm lucky but thanks heaps Mark it's been a really good learning exercise :good:
1 62RB
2 64RB
3 63RB
4 66+RB
5 64RB
6 63RB
7 62RB
8 63RB
9 63RB
10 64RB

Think I might have been a bit hard so this is my new list but I'm keen to see resulst to give me an idea of how far out I am :)
So still all RB but most I gave an extra grade.
1 63
2 64
3 64
4 64
5 64
6 64
7 64
8 64
9 63
10 65

Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='14316' dateline='1368189699'I might have got 2 if I'm lucky but thanks heaps Mark it's been a really good learning exercise :good:
1 62RB
2 64RB
3 63RB
4 66+RB
5 64RB
6 63RB
7 62RB
8 63RB
9 63RB
10 64RB
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: markn on May 11, 2013, 11:41:50 AM
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='14363' dateline='1368236797'SNIP

Remember your first entry is your only entry.  I'll be using those grades to see how you went the in the competition and not the new ones.
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: purplepennyhunter on May 11, 2013, 11:43:27 AM
I can't contribute because I have inside knowledge.
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: Robster on May 11, 2013, 11:47:32 AM
I am going to contribute and I have absolutely No Knowledge. :blush:
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: Nevol on May 11, 2013, 12:16:31 PM
I did contribute and I have very little knowledge. :angel:
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: enworb on May 11, 2013, 12:47:36 PM
And i even less
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: ausjack on May 11, 2013, 01:03:40 PM
NOOOOOOOO..oh well, ya get that on the big jobs :) Do I get a point for trying :winkextra:
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: trout on May 11, 2013, 01:21:41 PM
I  am useless with coppers but here goes:angel:
MS63 rb
ms64rb
ms64 red
ms66rb
ms65 red
ms65 red
ms64rb
ms 64 red (die clash?)
ms63rb
ms65rb
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: Goldseeker on May 11, 2013, 01:50:40 PM
I am not even game enough to try as I don't understand the grades etc that already have been given.
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: trout on May 11, 2013, 02:08:02 PM
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='14392' dateline='1368246040'I am not even game enough to try as I don't understand the grades etc that already have been given.

Neither do I Goldie :blush: , But this is a great opportunity for me  to get a grip on grading copper coins "Sheldon Style" :ok:
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: accumulator on May 11, 2013, 02:19:59 PM
Here's a question for Markn & PPH, has anyone got them all right yet ?
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: markn on May 11, 2013, 03:23:21 PM
Quote from: 'accumulator' pid='14399' dateline='1368247799'Here's a question for Markn & PPH, has anyone got them all right yet ?

Dunno.  I don't want to lead anyone as to what the grades might be.  I'll start plugging everyone's guesses into a spreadsheet later next week.
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: accumulator on May 11, 2013, 04:22:51 PM
Yeah, i knew you were gonna say that but thought i'd ask anyway. :winkextra:
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: Robster on May 14, 2013, 07:05:04 PM
Robster's very uninformed guesses.
1. 62RB
2. 64RB
3. 64BN
4. 65BN
5. 64BN
6. 64RB
7. 64RD
8. 64RD
9. 63BN
10. 64RB
                         :dontknow:
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: duggee27 on May 14, 2013, 08:16:50 PM
my guestimates took 3 minutes, took heaps longer to tyyppe!!
and they are all ms
1. 62RB
2. 64RB
3. 65RB
4. 63BN
5. 65RD
6. 63BN
7. 64RB
8. 64RD
9. 63BN
10.63RB
:D
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: trout on May 14, 2013, 08:35:26 PM
Regardless of the outcome of this , These are beautiful coins.
Thank you for sharing the pics of these :good:
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: markn on May 17, 2013, 07:54:20 AM
12 hours till entries close!  Even if you know nothing about PCGS grading I encourage you to have a try.  You might jag a few right and win the prize!
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: Unicorn on May 17, 2013, 08:20:57 AM
QuoteEven if you know nothing about PCGS grading I encourage you to have a try.

Yes that's me .....

1. 63BN
2. 64RB
3. 63BN
4. 64RB
5. 65RB
6. 64BN
7. 65RD
8. 62RB
9. 63RB
10. 64RB
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: coxspau on May 17, 2013, 11:01:37 AM
MS63BN
MS65RDBN
MS64BN
MS65RDBN
MS66BN
MS66RDBN
MS63BN
MS64RD
MS64BN
MS65RDBN

My first attempt at grading using PCGS. It's a fantastic way to get people focused on PCGS system. There are a lot of grading classifications though....given their success, their system clearly has some merit.

And just to re-iterate, that's a great set of halfpennies.
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: markn on May 17, 2013, 02:52:03 PM
Only 4.5 hours to go people.  I've started plugging the grades into the scoring spreadsheet.  Someone has guess 5 out of 10 right!
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: enworb on May 17, 2013, 03:11:38 PM
Can i change mine?
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: Nevol on May 17, 2013, 03:16:28 PM
I don't think so.

QuoteConditions: You get one entry and one entry only. And when it's posted you cannot change it (I'll lock posts in this thread).
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: coxspau on May 17, 2013, 03:31:04 PM
It's quite exciting. I can't wait to see what the actual grades are. Given this is my first foray into PCGS, this type of contest goes a long way to getting to becoming familiar with pcgs.
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: ausjack on May 17, 2013, 03:35:21 PM
In short, NO Matty, tried that and failed :)
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: markn on May 17, 2013, 03:47:02 PM
Quote from: 'enworb' pid='15101' dateline='1368769298'Can i change mine?

No for two reasons.  1 it's against the rules.  And 2, you've seen all the coins in their slabs and that would be cheating.
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: MattGold on May 17, 2013, 04:05:43 PM
Quote from: 'enworb' pid='15101' dateline='1368769298'Can i change mine?

I wanted to do that a few times til I remembered the 1 post lock it in eddie rule lol..
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: Pedro on May 17, 2013, 06:35:05 PM
My attempt (ie guesses):

1. 63BN
2. 64RB
3. 64BN
4. 63RB
5. 65BN
6. 64RB
7. 63BN
8. 63RD
9. 63BN
10. 65RB

Pedro
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: trout on May 17, 2013, 07:12:40 PM
OK Markn, Its 17.50 here in the west so it is (I think) 19.50 in SA.
10 min to go Ay :angel:
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: markn on May 17, 2013, 07:17:21 PM
It's 7.20 here, cut off time is 8:00 eastern which is in 10 minutes.  Get your entries in now!
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: trout on May 17, 2013, 07:18:52 PM
Quote from: 'markn' pid='15171' dateline='1368784041'It's 7.20 here, cut off time is 8:00 eastern which is in 10 minutes.  Get your entries in now!

So SA is only 1 and a half hors in front of WA time :ok:
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: markn on May 17, 2013, 07:33:48 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='15172' dateline='1368784132'
Quote from: 'markn' pid='15171' dateline='1368784041'It's 7.20 here, cut off time is 8:00 eastern which is in 10 minutes.  Get your entries in now!

So SA is only 1 and a half hors in front of WA time :ok:

Yep.  

Entries closed.  Winner announced shortly.
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: trout on May 17, 2013, 07:36:37 PM
Quote from: 'markn' pid='15184' dateline='1368785028'
Quote from: 'trout' pid='15172' dateline='1368784132'
Quote from: 'markn' pid='15171' dateline='1368784041'It's 7.20 here, cut off time is 8:00 eastern which is in 10 minutes.  Get your entries in now!

So SA is only 1 and a half hors in front of WA time :ok:

Yep.  

Entries closed.  Winner announced shortly.

Just a suggestion Mark, But why not just put up the grades and let us check them on our guesses.
A bit like checking our lotto tickets :ok:
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: markn on May 17, 2013, 07:48:08 PM
OK results are in.

Here's everyone's guesses.  The green guesses are correct ones.  As you can see Coin 2 is was guessed correctly the most with 11/14 entrants (79%) getting it right.  The hardest coin to get right was coin 4, with just 1 out of 14 people (7%) getting it.  Nevol and Echidna managed to get 5 out of 10 coins correct.

(http://www.australian-coins.net/images/grading-comp-1.jpg)

Here's how you all did with the numerical grades.  You got the numerical grade right 11 out of 14 times on coin 1,2 and 9.  Toughest coin was coin 6 with just 2 out of 11 guessing it was an MS66.   Enworb did the best here with 7 numerical grades correct.  The lot of you managed 63 out of a possible 140 points, or a hit rate of 43%.

(http://www.australian-coins.net/images/grading-comp-2.jpg)

Here's how you did with the colour codes.  Coin 2 was the bolter here, with 13 of you getting the RB designation correct.  AJ and Echidna managed a 80% hit rate, well done to both of you!  Overall you got 82 out of a possible 140 points or a hit rate of 56%.  Funnily enough if you'd just guessed RB for all coins you'd have got 8 out of 10 correct.

(http://www.australian-coins.net/images/grading-comp-3.jpg)

And here's the final results.  The winner on 18 points is Echidna.  Runner up is Nevol.  Three people tied for third.  Well done to everyone, it's tough grading from images and especially so for Perth mint copper.  You all did exceptionally well.  Certainly a lot better than I could have managed.

(http://www.australian-coins.net/images/grading-comp-4.jpg)
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: trout on May 17, 2013, 08:01:09 PM
Wow I can't believe I actually got 3 correct.
I am an absolute dumbo when it comes to grading coppers :Dance:
Well done Echidna, You Da Man :yahoo::wavemulticolor:
Thanks for the contest Mark it was great fun :good:
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: echidna on May 17, 2013, 08:03:55 PM
I've been learning about PCGS grading the hard way.
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: MattGold on May 17, 2013, 08:05:33 PM
Congrats on the win echidna well done... I gave it my best, I'm glad I got a few points

Matt
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: ausjack on May 17, 2013, 08:05:40 PM
second that motion..well done mark even if ya did rip me off..I can't remember what I wrote but I know got more than that :laugh2:
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: robbiegal on May 17, 2013, 08:08:41 PM
cool comp
well done guys as I reckon it was hard

I had a piece of paper somewhere here on my study table with my guesses
never got the guesses lodged!!

and of course, can't find my piece of paper to compare the answers!!
 ha ha
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: Nevol on May 17, 2013, 08:50:37 PM
Congratulations echidna! Well done! :yahoo:
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: Robster on May 17, 2013, 08:53:31 PM
Thanks markn, was kinda fun learning.!!!
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: Fr45h3R on May 17, 2013, 10:39:09 PM
Thanks for running this Mark.
Congratulations Echidna.
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: Pedro on May 18, 2013, 06:24:59 AM
Well done Echidna!

Thanks Mark for a great training tool and making it fun.

Now off to the optometrist to see about my colour blindness.

Pedro
Title: RE: Half Penny Grading Contest
Post by: accumulator on May 18, 2013, 08:41:32 AM
I really don't understand the colour coding yet obviously, i don't get the RB designation when there is absolutely no R in the coin whatsoever.

BTW well done to those whom did do OK.